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[DraconisWolf]

Here.

I would like to note that it's missing Solas screaming while being set on fire by a High Dragon.

 

Hot...

[Tielis]

Oh man that crazy theory about all races coming from Elves sounds mighty interesting~ Also someone mentioned those first humans were the first mages? 

 

Also how old is our lovable Egg-head supposed to be? He's been around since the beginning of time? Yep, looking good old man.

 

Sorry, I'm just full of questions and zero answers.

 

Honestly, I think not so much descended from elves but instead appeared due to elven magical tampering with the natural world.  Magical mad scientists, if you will.  Think about it, they were immortal so all they had was time, and they could manipulate their surroundings at whim.

 

Sounds like spirits, the "Maker's first children", doesn't it?

[Fialka]

I wish I had access to each of those files. Compelling them into a much more suggestive file, could be a fun challenge.
I listen to waaaay to many r18 japanese otome drama CDs.
And... Ill just show myself out

You'd also need a sample of Solas yelling 'Fenhedis!' (I probably spelled that wrong...)

 

Oh, is that the door?

 

[Nika]

Oh god, dat grunt compilation
I was browsing tumblr on my way home earlier and accidentally clicked on it while scrolling down and it went off really loudly
That was one awkward train ride lol

[BoscoBread]

That gives another perspective to All New, Faded for Her.  Wisdom dies.. the "good" side of the coin, his coin.  Maybe he was mourning more than a friend passing, more than a rare spirit. Maybe it felt like part of himself died, too, or that it represented a worthy side of him dying due either his past deeds or his planned future ones.

Interesting, but I think he just mourned losing a very dear friend.  He views spirits as people, so it would be no different if someone up and killed your best friend for no reason. I think the loss hits him especially hard because she probably is one of the only people that knows EVERYTHING about him and is empathetic for his plight.  When she dies, he is well and truly alone.  I think that's why it's so much easier for him to turn to Lavellan for companionship.  God, he is like the saddest of sad sacks.

 

But, I think you're taking me too literally.  Solas says something to Cassandra about what he values, one of them being "Wisdom for its own sake".  Meaning seeking knowledge and wanting to learn but not taking that to mean that you know better. The reward should be the knowledge. It should be that you've learned.  That's where pride comes in, he thought he knew more than anyone else. Thought he knew better because he had all this knowledge. He acted on it and then paid a very dear price.  I like Solas, it's like I'm in Phil. 101 all over again.   

[Willow_Elessidil]

I wish I had access to each of those files. Compelling them into a much more suggestive file, could be a fun challenge.
I listen to waaaay to many r18 japanese otome drama CDs.
And... Ill just show myself out

 

No need to leave...pretty sure we have all thought the same thing.  Would be nice to slow some of those angry ones down a bit...so they are more......I need therapy.

[chibielf]

You'd also need a sample of Solas yelling 'Fenhedis!' (I probably spelled that wrong...)
 
Oh, is that the door?
 

Or screaming "Ma Vhenan" when quizzy falls in combat...

[Sashimi_taco]

This has been my life lately. 

 

[Rabbitonfire]

This has been my life lately. 

Spoiler

 

I think it's time you make binders of Solas.

[Eivuwan]

On the subject of Solas' appearance - I still believe Fen'Harel was not an elf, because his mosaic. He is not even depicted like the others. So whether he possessed an ancient elf body sometime before or conjured one for himself like Cole, I have no idea.

 

And I have a feeling it is no coincidence that his name means 'Pride' in elven. Even Vivienne remarks that he sounds like a Pride demon... The Solasan Temple used to house a Pride demon...

 

If he turns out to be a mega Pride demon... *eye twitch*

 

Maybe Solas was a magical beast wolf who took on an elven form once he became sapient.

[Sashimi_taco]

I think it's time you make binders of Solas.

 

I think it's time for my to pay attention to my long term boyfriend.

 

JUST KIDDING SOLAS IS MY LIFE

[Illyria]

Or screaming "Ma Vhenan" when quizzy falls in combat...

 

I've never heard him say that, but I'm pretty unlucky with romance related battle cries (and sibling ones in DA2.  I think I only heard Carver's once).

[Rabbitonfire]

Maybe Solas was a magical beast wolf who took on an elven form once he became sapient.

Personally I think they were like Cole. Powerful spirits that manifested into being of that reality. They still have a connection to the fade but grew and became more. Become complex, beyond their original virtues. 

[k_drake]

I've never heard him say that, but I'm pretty unlucky with romance related battle cries (and sibling ones in DA2.  I think I only heard Carver's once).

Me neither.  Just heard an anguished, "Nooo."  And then, not even every time I fall.  

 

I was like, That's all you've got?  I COULD BE DYING HERE.  THIS COULD BE MY LAST MEMORY. 

 

ETA: Solas/Fen'Harel by Purple-Meow (http://www.deviantar...-Wolf-505535278)

[Uirebhiril]

Way late to the discussion, but several pages back folks were discussing what causes Cole to say a different line about the inquisitor. Just curious... what world state do you all have loaded when the different lines come up? I've gotten both lines on different runs with what is essentially the same character and the only difference up to that point is the world state behind them.

[hellozombie]

I'm working and can't really contribute much atm but I just wanted to pop in and write a bit about my confusion regarding this whole immortality thing? I don't think I"ve seen this mentioned, so maybe some of you can set me straight?

So everyone talks about how the elves' exposure to humans caused them to lose their immortality, as if their immortality was something innate, like a biological fact of their species. I think I read that Solas confirmed this?

But am I wrong in thinking that this "immortality" is not like, conventional immortality, where you just live forever (you know, unless you die by injury) every day? I thought, for some reason, that this "sleeping" that Solas and Abelas and all the other elvhen did, THAT is what gave them their immortality. This sleeping, or rather, excursions into Uthenera, wasn't this whole elaborate process (the rubbing of herbs and honey and whatnot) what allowed the elves to live forever? They grew weary of living and so went to sleep, but then were able to awake again if they so chose and continue to live?

So if this is true, it's not like the elves could just live forever every single day...inevitably they one day felt weary, or bad, or say, their cells were running down, so they entered Uthenera, and then re-emerged later to continue to live? So it's like immortality, but you really spend a large amount of time "regenerating", so to speak?

And so instead of "exposure" to humans causing the elvhen to lose their immortality (like just by touching skin? that's really hard for me to believe), maybe it was simply the fact that the elvhen were no longer able to complete the rituals involved with traveling to Uthenera....either because all the gods had already been sealed away or voluntarily entered uthenera, or because the remaining elvhen were too busy warring with Tevinter for the remains of Arlathan? I mean, you're a pretty easy kill if you're just, you know, asleep. If they couldn't perform these rituals, then they couldn't sleep and regenerate, and so eventually their cells just began to die. And maybe over the centuries, the knowledge of these ancient rituals was lost or twisted, and it got to a point where no one was able to enter Uthenera and re-emerge rejuvenated.

This has been bugging me for awhile, and I just had to put it out there, feel free to rip it to shreds AS YOU WISH. I just keep reading about this "sleeping for centuries" and "immortality" and I just can't help feeling that we're looking at the idea of immortality a little too conventionally. What it appears to be are stretches of living and stretches of regeneration (sleeping) which extend life for as long as you are able to regenerate. MY BRAINMEATS HURT.

also also: YAY 2000 pages!

[Vaseldwa]

Here.

 

[scintilla]

Way late to the discussion, but several pages back folks were discussing what causes Cole to say a different line about the inquisitor. Just curious... what world state do you all have loaded when the different lines come up? I've gotten both lines on different runs with what is essentially the same character and the only difference up to that point is the world state behind them.

 

My states are pretty similar. Race, class, and romances changed. I think the only big difference was letting the Architect live in one (the qunari warrior playthrough).

 

From twitter, PW responds to why no cares when Lavellan's clan bites it:

 

@patrickweekes my clan didn't get wiped out, but why doesn't anyone say anything to Lavellan if they do? Not even their LI?

 

@user Text came after VO was locked. If later content allows, We'd like a chance to react to it more.

 

https://twitter.com/...268889044262912

[Tielis]

Maker.... did they.... did they steal the souls of those in "stasis" and keep them imprisoned in orbs as sources of power? 

 

(Edit: this is super unscientific and probably requires knowledge of what the fade might be.)

 

The Arcane Warrior quest in DAO points to yes.  

[Moondreamer01]

Me neither.  Just heard an anguished, "Nooo."  And then, not even every time I fall.  

 

I was like, That's all you've got?  I COULD BE DYING HERE.  THIS COULD BE MY LAST MEMORY. 

 

ETA: Solas/Fen'Harel by Purple-Meow (http://www.deviantar...-Wolf-505535278)

Oh my... that Solas. I dig it!

[Avejajed]

Listen, I just spent a good portion of the last two hours reading Solas dialogue and now my head hurts with all the theories that magically appeared in my head while I did it.

 

What has this thread done to me? Long post soon.

[Fialka]

I'm working and can't really contribute much atm but I just wanted to pop in and write a bit about my confusion regarding this whole immortality thing? I don't think I"ve seen this mentioned, so maybe some of you can set me straight?

 

So everyone talks about how the elves' exposure to humans caused them to lose their immortality, as if their immortality was something innate, like a biological fact of their species. I think I read that Solas confirmed this?

 

*snip for length*

Solas does say something about how elves had magic because of (or alongside) their immortality, not the other way around (don't know the exact phrasing, but that's how I interpreted it - I think he confirms it as inherent though). I do think Uthenara plays a role here, and I do agree that the humans being at fault for its loss may have more to do with an interruption in these rituals/the knowledge of how to do them being lost/humans messing with the Fade as opposed to actual biological proximity. That's why I asked earlier if humans being to blame was actually confirmed by something other than modern (unreliable) Dalish belief. I'm not contesting humans may well be the cause, I just think it might be something more complex than humans having toxic gene fumes or what have you...

[Gervaise]

In answer to the question about immortality, it is something that has been bugging me too.   Solas states categorically that it wasn't magic that gave them immortality but never elaborates on this.   Actually it is noticeable how little you get from actual talks with Solas about magic or past events; it is the comments he makes to other people and at various locations that are actually more insightful.   I was pretty disappointed about that because invariably people started talking at the wrong moment, like when we're just about to be attacked and so I miss half of it.   Another annoying thing was travelling somewhere or reloading a save and it comes back in at the end of a conversation, so you know you've just missed something.

 

Anyway, I figure the immortality thing does have a lot to do with uthenara and conflicts and even the vibes of the "quick" humans somehow got in the way of that.    The thing is Solas could have explained a bit more and the fact that he didn't suggests that it would have given away far too much about himself (and possibly future plot/story) which is why he didn't.       I'd really like to know what the trigger was that caused him to wake up when he did.    Was it some event or did he time out in some way in his hibernation and so had to wake up?      He says that he was too weak to activate his orb himself when he awoke, so may be he had to wake up after a certain period of time or he would have been too weak to do anything.

[dragondreamer]

According to both the Dalish and Felassan (who is probably a reliable source), it sounds like most elves who stayed too long in uthenera would eventually waste away and die.  Only some of them could live off the energies of the Fade.  Which is why uthenera was seen as an "end of life" thing for the ancient elves.  I tend to think uthenera was just another ability tied into what makes elves immortal, but not the source or state of their immortality itself.  Otherwise I would think Dalish methods of isolation would work better for restoring immortality than they do.  If immortality is just a natural state of being elven, and not a magic spell, I doubt they would need to know a ritual to be able to do it.