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[k_drake]

Only good things, my dear.

I totally read that in Vivienne voice.  

[Avejajed]

I'm in Indiana! Yay midwest. Bah.

[mythlover20]

You live in the opposite place to mine LOL it is full of snow here.. about one metre I think.. at least almost. Pretty cold T_T 

Wanna swap?

Seriously, give me snow! Anything to escape this air-con defiant heat!

[Gwyvian]

I am probably the only one from Finland.. hehe.. I am very glad that my English is pretty good because I see so many from Europe mostly (Italians and Germans) having topics in their own language.. I always thought that dubbing games and movies in your own language was.. weird.. We don't really dub stuff in Finland. So if you do not understand English here and you wanna play a game like this you are basically fucked XD

 

I can relate to the weirdness of dubbing - being bilingual, I've evolved into a purist in terms of "keep it to subtitles but DON'T DUB." This is a product of seeing so many absolutely cringe-worthy dubbing jobs done to Hungarian, and Hungarians loooove dubbing. Or, I should say, they hate reading subtitles. *rolleyes* I admit for games I've relaxed that mentality a little bit, as long as the VA's are good, I'm good with it. (I would love to play Witcher in Polish, though.... and AC in Italian... #.# albeit the latter doesn't technically belong in this category.)

 

Gah, what I mean is, in games I've had some good experiences with English VA's in non-English games. Apparently there are some pretty good Hungarian ones, but I still criiiiinge when I can "hear" the original English joke or whatever poorly translated into Hungarian... I'm also a translator, so it irritates me above and beyond reason.

 

I'll... just stop talking about this now. Everyone please just immediately forget all this after reading. 

[Gwyvian]

I noticed the same thing when I created my current Lavellan. I think it might be a glitch created by the patch, since I created my first two scarred women before the patch came out, but I really, really don't have much of a clue beyond that.

It's a shame. There is no way that our characters were getting out of *that* without a few rather prominent wounds and scars.

 

It really is a shame   I really like scars! Plus it makes sense as you say. I got my game so late in that I got the patch at the very beginning, so I've never experienced them at all - shipping to Hawaii is a nightmare. I'm NEVER going regular shipping on anything that isn't local again.

[mythlover20]

Not a chance, dear. Being an editor, I also cringe.

Dear gods, the "Traveling" loading screen still makes me rage. Yes, I know it's correct in American English, but only Americans use American English. To the rest of us it's just plain wrong.

[LobselVith8]

Oh no, I entirely agree with you that the Dalish are admirable for how they're trying to keep their culture alive and intact, despite how incomplete some of it is. It's a noble goal and it's worth preserving, as despite all the flack they get from people like Sera and some of the criticisms that Solas and Abelas give them, they are really the only bastion of that culture in the modern world that's out there.

 

As Lavellan can say to Solas in that first meeting when he comments on this, the Dalish aren't perfect, but they are trying.

 

Similarly, when you can call Abelas out when he comments that by taking the knowledge of the Well, it will be "lost" forever, by pointing out that by hording that knowledge and culture in a crumbling ruin, rather than sharing it with the elves that still exist in the world, it already is lost.

 

What I meant was, the Dalish in some ways are no different from Abelas and the Sentinels, in that they also tightly cling on to the past that is lost and are content to horde their knowledge from their kin, looking down on the "flat-ears" for being little more than Shemlen. They could be doing so much more to help, teach or reach out to the other elves, but they refuse to do so, out of pride and stubborness.

 

Well, when you consider that the Chantry outlawed their religion, Andrastian human lords or lynch mobs chase the clans away when they stay too long in one area, some Andrastians threaten them with violence to convert (as Clan Sabrae experienced), and templars hunt the clans down for their mages, I don't really think that the Dalish can do much when human society is almost entirely against them. The entire reason Clan Lavellan traveled in the Free Marches is because roaming between the territories of the city-states meant that human lords were less inclined to attack them because they didn't want to accidentally provoke a war with one of their neighbors.

 

To be honest, that moment when Abelas rebuffs Lavellan is actually quite a nice little parallel to that Dalish's own attitude sometimes, as we're now seeing how much it utterly sucks to be on the recieving end of "I'm the true Elf and you're just a pretender".

 

Which is done by some Dalish, and also done by some city elves as well, who see elves who leave the Alienage as 'flat ears' who are giving up everything that makes them elven.

 

I like to think that Lavellan learnt quite a great deal about the value of tolerance and acceptance of others over the course of the game, evolving from the relatively sheltered individual they were implied to be at the start (judging by some of their comments about how the clan avoided outsiders), to someone who's become rather versed in various peoples and cultures.

 

Clan Lavellan is the same clan who cure the humans of Wycome who are poisoned with red lyrium, and who refuse to leave the city-state because they won't abandon the Andrastian elves to die, even though the clan can leave. I think it's a mistake to think Lavellan couldn't already be tolerant and accept others when that's precisely what Clan Lavellan does.

[OxidantsHappen]

It really is a shame   I really like scars! Plus it makes sense as you say. I got my game so late in that I got the patch at the very beginning, so I've never experienced them at all - shipping to Hawaii is a nightmare. I'm NEVER going regular shipping on anything that isn't local again.

 

Shipping to hawaii is so expensive. And it takes forever. I never buy anything that has to ship from the mainland anymore. Store pickup man

[Sifr]

Not a chance, dear. Being an editor, I also cringe.

Dear gods, the "Traveling" loading screen still makes me rage. Yes, I know it's correct in American English, but only Americans use American English. To the rest of us it's just plain wrong.

 

I hear you there! If my Inquisitor has an English accent and the game is made in Canada, why are all the subtitles in American?

 

[Gwyvian]

Not a chance, dear. Being an editor, I also cringe.

Dear gods, the "Traveling" loading screen still makes me rage. Yes, I know it's correct in American English, but only Americans use American English. To the rest of us it's just plain wrong.

 

Hahaha, I thought I was the only one bothered by that. 

[Moondreamer01]

Not a chance, dear. Being an editor, I also cringe.

Dear gods, the "Traveling" loading screen still makes me rage. Yes, I know it's correct in American English, but only Americans use American English. To the rest of us it's just plain wrong.

That makes me laugh and cry at the same time, as Bioware is a Canadian company, and should be using "travelling"... Oh well, American market is too big I guess... unless it has to do with AE.

[DragonRacer]

OMG, SERIOUSLY???

 

An iPod filled with several thousand songs... writing a bit with my weepy Lavellan... and Rufus Wainwright's version of "Hallelujah" from Shrek comes on.

 

Okay.

 

That's it.

 

I'm done.

 

No more writing tonight.

 

I'll just be over here... in my bed... weeping profusely.

 

Goddammit.

[Gwyvian]

Shipping to hawaii is so expensive. And it takes forever. I never buy anything that has to ship from the mainland anymore. Store pickup man

 

Oh, yes. I've learned my lesson. I've been on tenterhooks for years for DAI and it finally comes out and then I had to wait an entire month for it to actually arrive........... It was excruciating.

[Janic99]

That makes me laugh and cry at the same time, as Bioware is a Canadian company, and should be using "travelling"... Oh well, American market is too big I guess... unless it has to do with AE.

Even for us in Finland they teach '' Travelling '' 
Also I hate that when I speak I use both American English and British one so it is very hard sometimes to remember which word was American and which one English and... AAH

taxi, cab...

flat... apartment..

 

lift... elevator...

AÅSFWPH

COLOR or COLOUR

 

haha

[Seregwen]

Agh this thread got real with the sexytimes while I was in class.

 

I'll um.. I'll be in my bunk. Night everyone!         

 

*edit*Oh I got top of page Solas? Ok!

 

[Janic99]

Wanna swap?

Seriously, give me snow! Anything to escape this air-con defiant heat!

Well I am currently sick.. it is 5:18 am here now and I haven't slept at all.. why? Because I have so lovely cough that I cannot freaking breathe or sleep -.-

[neonmoth]

*snip*
 
Solas' complete disgust with any sort of dominance seems like he would not want to be a Dom. More like a very long series of sensual acts with lots of whispers and praising. He seems like the type of man who would constantly praise you body with every word he knows. And use his mouth for more. And on days when they have endless time, he get's weird. Not like kinky weird. Just weird in a way that is just....weird. And it's hot. Like semi fade mind sex when you're one person and it's insane and weird and lasts for hours. 
 
Edit: also lots of eye contact.

I might have come to the same conclusion IF I spent time thinking about it at all. *cough*a lot *cough*
 
Did someone mention eye contact?
 


Moar eye

Spoiler

Also, >2K pages!! Long live Solas thread: lore and smut for everyone...in equal doses

 

Edit: well played Seregwen, you are my soul sister

[Gwyvian]

Even for us in Finland they teach '' Travelling '' 
Also I hate that when I speak I use both American English and British one so it is very hard sometimes to remember which word was American and which one English and... AAH

taxi, cab...

flat... apartment..

 

lift... elevator...

AÅSFWPH

COLOR or COLOUR

 

haha

 

At uni (I was an English major) I had a professor pin me down on which I preferred using, with two l's or a single one; I was slightly flummoxed at the question. I had always thought two l's proper and had never given it much thought, though admittedly I've seen it written with one before, it just didn't seem... natural that way, though. Anyway, he said that basically both are technically correct and they've mixed enough between British/US usage that nobody knows which belongs to which anymore. So I'm not sure if that's true, but I've been writing US English and spelling it with two l's and nobody has called me out on it to date. Though I primarily speak and write American English, I have a strong penchant towards British spelling and pronunciation in certain things for an array of reasons, I guess that must be behind this. *shrug*

Thus, I can relate to the struggle to remember which word/term/spelling belongs in BE or AE. I can always say: "poetic license." 

[madrar]

Ahhhhh, so many pages to catch up on...

 

While I claw my way through it, do any loremasters know whether we have a firm grasp on when humans started being able to use magic?  Any evidence for/against pre-elven-contact mages?

 

I thought I might have cracked something, then it totally crumbled.  =w=  Stupid Solas and his stupid fade-shadow.  It would have explained so much.

[Seregwen]

I might have come to the same conclusion IF I spent time thinking about it at all. *cough*a lot *cough*
 
Did someone mention eye contact?
 

Spoiler

Also, >2K pages!! Long live Solas thread: lore and smut for everyone...in equal doses

Ha! We just posted the same screenie! I wonder why >.> .......... 

[Avejajed]

Ahhhhh, so many pages to catch up on...

While I claw my way through it, do any loremasters know whether we have a firm grasp on when humans started being able to use magic? Any evidence for/against pre-elven-contact mages?

I thought I might have cracked something, then it totally crumbled. =w= Stupid Solas and his stupid fade-shadow. It would have explained so much.

Well some of us might have been too distracted for lore.

Its Tacos fault.

[Sister Squish]

I WISH I HAD MORE LIKES

Post of quotes/replies/thoughtsquirts:

 

The only question I have here is how did Mythal not infect the rest of the Pantheon if she were human? Did whatever she partake of to become part of the Pantheon at its inception destroy said retrovirus/ mortality? Keep going, I love what you're coming up with.

 

If we are going with the theory of a physical, retrovirus-type infection which reversed the "immortality" in elves, geographical location for spread would be considered, no? Ghilan'nain taking up residence in her mad scientist lab on one of the outer islands, researching. Mythal may or may not have visited.

 

<snip>

 

So they just gave her pointy ears in her mosaic as a symbolic "one of us" gesture?  

 

Also, wasn't there something weird about a Ghailan'nain - Fen'Harel - Andruil triangle somewhere?  Like he... did something to Ghiilan'nain without Andruil's permission?  OH, never mind.  He hunted Andruil's halla. A teeny voice in my head wonders whether that wasn't a mythical dig at Solas getting a little too chummy with Ghil.  Could explain why she made him that adorable dog!wolf suit to wear once he got out of void-Gitmo, instead of being stuck in monstrous Dread Wolf form.

 

I.... remember the tale of Andruil chaining Fen'Harel to the tree, but not this? Can anyone confirm/evaluate? If halla really are one of Ghilan'nain's creations through experimenting with putting spirits of something into animals, I'm wondering why Fen'Harel would have been hunting them? 

 

Also if we think about how many conflicting portrayals of Christ there are depending on the identity of the artist, I think we can safely assume that any mosaic/painting of Mythal is not 100% accurate. 

 

 

Add in that Ghilal'nain was a follower of Andruil who traveled into the Void to find the Forgotten ones, brought back Red Lyrium which created those Red-Lyrium Elf Zombies, and started what may have been the first blight, just sans the traditional Archdemon.

IDEA:

Alright, Titans=Primeval Dwarven Hive Mind Entities. Lyrium = Titan Blood. Likely the Anvil of the Void that Caridin used to create the Golems involved said Dwarven Blood Magic with Lyrium. At one point a Tevinter mage attempted to recreate Caridin's experiment UTILIZING CORPSES instead of metal - which created the Harvesters. Same concept, just made out of flesh.

What if the Blight was an attempt to recreate the hive-mind of the Titan-Dwarves, but again using things of Flesh instead of stone? With blood magic instead of Lyrium? And if Lyrium, red lyrium?

EDIT:

Linked from Wiki about Lyrium Wells which Harvesters could tap into for power:

 

Ahh I love this! So: 

 

> Andruil discovers the unique, hive-mind-powers of lyrium wandering the void

> Ghilan'nain, her trusted nerd/lacky/friend experiments with the substance, believing she can recreate it in flesh form

> Andruil supports it, believing a mind-melded military force will give her an edge over her enemies

> Some years later, Tevinter mages discover and duplicate (possibly misinterpreting) Ghilan'nain's research, creating the blight

 

.... we need to watch Dagna.

I know nothing of the Titan-Dwarves (sorry) but I think you're onto something - the stone is a hive-mind, and lyrium - it's "blood" - may be the conduit. Red lyrium is a horrible mangled mesh of two conflicting hive minds - lyrium and blight? (See: Rachni, Mass Effect) Where dragons come into all of this, though, I have no idea. 
 

 

While I have no way of knowing one way or the other, this part from the Wiki does interest me:

Those are clearly the spirits of the dead, not fade spirits, yet they reside there. Isn't that strange? Aren't they supposed to go on to the Beyond/ the Void?

 

I have been using the words "spirit" and "soul" interchangeably, but since we have been talking about whatever "life-force" is possibly being a source of magic power (Somnoborium) for Tevinter magisters, I am thinking those two things are not the same...

[Sifr]

 

Well, when you consider that the Chantry outlawed their religion, Andrastian human lords or lynch mobs chase the clans away when they stay too long in one area, some Andrastians threaten them with violence to convert (as Clan Sabrae experienced), and templars hunt the clans down for their mages, I don't really think that the Dalish can do much when human society is almost entirely against them. The entire reason Clan Lavellan traveled in the Free Marches is because roaming between the territories of the city-states meant that human lords were less inclined to attack them because they didn't want to accidentally provoke a war with one of their neighbors.

 

When did the Sabrae clan ever experience that, I never saw anyone or heard them mention anyone attempting to convert them in Origins or DA2? The most trouble they got in DA2 was from the Templars when they tried to take Fenyriel by force, provided you sent him to live with them?

 

Which is done by some Dalish, and also done by some city elves as well, who see elves who leave the Alienage as 'flat ears' who are giving up everything that makes them elven.

 

I'm not saying that all Dalish do it, just that some of them tend to do so. But as you pointed out, given that some Alienage Elves do it to those who leave the Alienage, coupled with Abelas' own disdain for those who aren't Ancient Elves, it seems that proving ones "true" elfiness is something of an inherently Elven phenomenon?

 

Clan Lavellan is the same clan who cure the humans of Wycome who are poisoned with red lyrium, and who refuse to leave the city-state because they won't abandon the Andrastian elves to die, even though the clan can leave. I think it's a mistake to think Lavellan couldn't already be tolerant and accept others when that's precisely what Clan Lavellan does.

 

I didn't say that Clan Lavellan wasn't already tolerant, as Solas mentions that they're unusually interested in human affairs for a Dalish tribe, but that their relative isolation from outsiders would mean that Lavellan was relatively sheltered from that kind of closer contact before they left for the Conclave.

 

As for the situation in Wycombe, while they were good to stay and help the people, it's worth remembering that it's not as if they don't benefit by having city walls between them and those angry neighbours outside who've heard about the "Elven uprising" in Wycombe.

 

If they leave, they risk being hounded and attacked in the open, while trying to move their people, equipment and aravels across terrain that might not be easily suited for them. If they stay however, they risk being attacked but do have some level of defence, and with the Inquisition's help, were able to repel attack long enough to allow them to clear up the situation peacefully.

 

I'm not saying that them not leaving wasn't out of a desire to help the Alienage elves, but it was also a highly pragmatic move on their part.

[neonmoth]

Ha! We just posted the same screenie! I wonder why >.> .......... 

Great minds and so on I guess I tried to keep my mind on the eye level even though temptation to descent to gutter is strong in this one