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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[miraclemight]

I'm surprised people haven't compared the dread wolf to Sif from dark souls.  I know I'm in the minority on this opinion but i would love to see an option (along with an option for happy endings of course) like the Sif fight for Solas. Especially if like how it was if you completed the Artorias of the Abyss DLC before fighting Sif and saved him as a puppy.  Like he fights alongside you during the big boss fight only for you to have to kill him when he grows up.  He cries at the moon before he's forced to fight you and its so sad.  Giant wolf fight? Awesome. Giant wolf fight with giant sword and feels? awesomer.

 

http://darksouls.wdf...-wolf-large.jpg

 

edit: autocorrect...

edit edit: The reason I make the comparison is because Sif was not evil, he was bound by duty to fight you and you had to kill him because circumstances.  He wasn't a villain, he was (possibly) your friend that you had to kill for reasons that were more important than either of you. And that's what made his fight so sad, and so memorable. I'm a sucker for tragic but good stories.

 

This actually made me very sad. D:

 

No no no. *hands out Team Optimism banners to everyone.*

[Gwyvian]

I don't know. I like going a different route. I personally I headcanoned that my character's parents were city elves who joined the Dalish when she was a baby to explain why she had a British or American accent instead of a Gaelic one. (Couldn't say she joined when she was a child like Lanaya since Lavellan specifically says at one point "The Dalish were my whole world.") Then that evolved into imagining that, being in the middle of "flat-ear who's finally joined the flock" accusations from her clansman and "haughty elitists" from her family, eventually led to her being disillusioned about the divide between city elves and Dalish. That by fighting and disowning each other over who was born where, it just keeps the elves divided instead of helping each move forward. 

 

(Though that actually mirrors my own disillusionment in real life. I used to be "RAH! RAH! CITY ELVES!" until the day I realized "City elves? Dalish elves? Who cares? They're all elves. They all want the same thing - to preserve their past - they just go about it differently, and do the best they can in the environment they were born into.)

 

I imagine she really wanted to reach out and help elves everywhere, but didn't get a chance until the Conclave (since the Clan needed her for day-to-day survival). Though she started off pretty open-minded before leaving her clan, it tended to be non-Dalish characters who stereotyped her as intolerant and closed-minded; while ironically displaying that behavior themselves by pegging her as such.

 

I mean, just look at Sera. "Ugh! You're an elf. Of course you're an elf. Well, you're not too elfy, are you?" WTF?? I haven't said anything yet!!

 

When a romanced Solas asks if the Anchor changed you, then goes onto praise your spirit, then asks, "That the Dalish could raise someone with a spirit like yours... perhaps I misjudged them?" I like that Lavellan can say, "I don't hold the Dalish up as perfect, but we have something worth honoring. A memory of the ancient ways." He agrees that must be the case, and seems embarrased for a moment; like he realized that for how he condemns the Dalish for being intolerant, closed-minded, and judgmental toward others, he had ironically condemned her as such before getting to know her.

 

By the time Abelas comes around, I imagine she was thinking something like, "ARE YOU SH*TTING ME??!! I have done nothing but try to help elves since day one, yet I keep getting my culture thrown back in my face!"

 

Oh well, it was still a great gaming experience, regardless of headcanon. =)

 

This is a good insight into this whole tangle. The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that the plight of the elven people is a great representation of social issues that have been around for a while. It's easy to blame the oppressors (humans in this case) and be disdainful of groups that don't agree with you - which can be traced to having lost a fundamental cultural link. (Oooh, I'm just brimming with theories on this subject. My thesis touched on this, too!) The fact that Abelas does the same seems indicative that it is a quality of xenophobia that kept them in the occult, i.e. their existence is basically a secret, which kept them alive throughout the thousands of years that have passed till the DAI timeline, yet it is exactly that quality which remains the only link between the various groups of elves. You could say that in a way it's their own culture that became their downfall and now they've lost even the ability to learn from history, as all of that history is lost to them.

[Gwyvian]

This post is long, full of great points, and so I will take some time to respond and consider it in detail. I just want you to know that I love how your brain works and I AM working on a response. Your amazing post has not been forgotten and I relish the opportunity to take part in this conversation!

 

*blush* Thank you kindly! I look forward to reading your response, then.   (And here I was beginning to think I arrived to the conversation too late!)

[Sifr]

Oooh. I see, I see.

 

So sorry. I'm so used to defending the Dalish on the forums that I got a little overhasty in defending them here Please forgive me.

 

No worries, I think some others might have misinterpreted me as bashing the Dalish, which wasn't my intention. After all, the game itself points out, and the Dalish Inquisitor can admit to, flaws that some elves have regardless of their cultural background.

 

Like, if you think about it, is Sera's rejection of the Dalish Inquisitor whenever they are too "Elfy" for her, really any different from Abelas' rejection of the Dalish Inquisitor for being too "Shemlen" for him?

[Avejajed]

Haha I realize there are two kinds of people in this thread.

Here for smut or here for deep theory conversations.

Maybe both, but not on the same day. Lol.

[neonmoth]

I am not usually the one to think about the theme songs for particular LIs but I've got this one on my mind.

 

 

So is it goodbye?
Is it time to set you free?
Is it time to let it fly?
Is it time to let it bleed

 

We used to take turns
To cover up the pain
And deep below it burns
And the feelin' still remains

 

and then

 

And the road travels on
But I'm still near you
In my life, like a song
I will still hear you, still

 

Although I... ekhm Lavellan prefers not to find Someone New if I she can help it *shakes fist at Solas*

[LobselVith8]

When did the Sabrae clan ever experience that, I never saw anyone or heard them mention anyone attempting to convert them in Origins or DA2? The most trouble they got in DA2 was from the Templars when they tried to take Fenyriel by force, provided you sent him to live with them?

 

When you speak to Clan Sabrae in Act III, when you're looking for Zevran; you can speak with some of the Dalish, and learn some Andrastians have threatened them with violence to convert to the Andrastian faith.

 

I'm not saying that all Dalish do it, just that some of them tend to do so. But as you pointed out, given that some Alienage Elves do it to those who leave the Alienage, coupled with Abelas' own disdain for those who aren't Ancient Elves, it seems that proving ones "true" elfiness is something of an inherently Elven phenomenon?

 

Looking down on certain groups isn't limited to the elves, but I'd agree that trying to hold onto their heritage is certainly part of elven culture. The dwarves have something similar with the casteless and their view that the surface dwarves lost their "Stone Sense", or with Chantry viewing humans as close to the Maker, while non-humans are further away (which is cited as the reason why only humans can join the priesthood). I think the difference with the elves is how the Dalish struggle to maintain their culture despite the Chantry trying to tear it down and outlaw it, while the Alienage elves struggle to hold onto what little elven culture they were allowed to have while living in dilapidated sections of the city with little rights and a bleak future for many.

 

I didn't say that Clan Lavellan wasn't already tolerant, as Solas mentions that they're unusually interested in human affairs for a Dalish tribe, but that their relative isolation from outsiders would mean that Lavellan was relatively sheltered from that kind of closer contact before they left for the Conclave.

 

I suppose it's similar to Merrill, in that regard. She had little contact with others outside her clan, but she expresses the view that the Kirkwall elves are 'elves' in Act I, approval for not hurting the Fereldan refugees, and even concern for the Starkhaven shemlen who need help.

 

As for the situation in Wycombe, while they were good to stay and help the people, it's worth remembering that it's not as if they don't benefit by having city walls between them and those angry neighbours outside who've heard about the "Elven uprising" in Wycombe.

 

If they leave, they risk being hounded and attacked in the open, while trying to move their people, equipment and aravels across terrain that might not be easily suited for them. If they stay however, they risk being attacked but do have some level of defence, and with the Inquisition's help, were able to repel attack long enough to allow them to clear up the situation peacefully.

 

I'm not saying that them not leaving wasn't out of a desire to help the Alienage elves, but it was also a highly pragmatic move on their part.

 

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Clan Lavellan could have left without incident to themselves, but it's specifically addressed that Clan Lavellan refused to abandon the Andrastian elves to die. It had nothing to do with pragmatism, and everything to do with protecting the men, women, and children in the Alienage who had no one to defend them but Clan Lavellan.

[slmisfit]

This is something I've been meaning to ask in general..... I don't see any battle scars on my characters in the CC. Yes, I did make them strongly visible and played around with horizontal/vertical positions (that sounded so much better in my head) and I can't see scars anywhere! Anyone else have a problem like this?

I noticed the same thing when I created my current Lavellan. I think it might be a glitch created by the patch, since I created my first two scarred women before the patch came out, but I really, really don't have much of a clue beyond that.

What the patch did was accidentally set everyone's meshes and probably a few other settings to their lowest. The hotfix fixed that problem.

 

Scars and the more advanced face complexions (like the super wrinkly or freckley ones) are only available on High or Ultra mesh settings. Double check that you have your meshes set to at least High. ALSO, to prevent weird visual glitches, they recommend your mesh and shadow settings be the same. So if you have meshes on High, shadows should also be on High.

 

(AND... before the patch, everyone's game was apparently being forced to use Ultra shadows, so if you've noticed the game looking a bit off since the patch, try turning shadows back up to Ultra.)

 

This is all for PC, by the way. I have no idea what anyone can do about complexions and scars on the consoles. I don't know if you can even change the graphics settings on the console versions... >_>

[Mims]

So I am wandering around the temple of Dirthamen to see if there's anything suspicious or interesting in light of some theories going around.

 

I haven't found anything really relevant- but, I do find it interesting that all of the murals in the temple are actually of Falon'Din, not Dirthamen. Did whoever put the assets down just get them confused? 

[mythlover20]

You know, neon? I wouldn't have even bothered with eye lovel. There's so much more going on there. ^^

Also I love that you managed to capture the moment *just* when he realises what it is he's doing, and *just* when he realises that he's making a mistake and is going to hurt her. It's half "I love this woman so much" and "oh no, what have I done?"

[Janic99]

When in a meanwhile Solas kept flirting with my lavellan XD

[Avejajed]

Next gen are better than last gen consoles and look and perform fine, with scars and freckles and all that. Not as good as a really good pc, I imagine, but good.

[mythlover20]

So I am wandering around the temple of Dirthamen to see if there's anything suspicious or interesting in light of some theories going around.

 

I haven't found anything really relevant- but, I do find it interesting that all of the murals in the temple are actually of Falon'Din, not Dirthamen. Did whoever put the assets down just get them confused? 

I know they're always discussed as twins or whatnot, but what if they are the same person, just different aspects of their personality and roles within the pantheon?

Just a thought, though, for a polytheist religion the Elvhen pantheon seems rather... limited and empty.

[madrar]

 

I.... remember the tale of Andruil chaining Fen'Harel to the tree, but not this? Can anyone confirm/evaluate? If halla really are one of Ghilan'nain's creations through experimenting with putting spirits of something into animals, I'm wondering why Fen'Harel would have been hunting them? 

 

Also if we think about how many conflicting portrayals of Christ there are depending on the identity of the artist, I think we can safely assume that any mosaic/painting of Mythal is not 100% accurate. 

 

Yep!  That's the myth I was thinking of.  Just pondering whether "hunting the halla without Andruil's blessing" was myth-code for getting a little too friendly with Ghilan'nain.  @w@    We know how much Sera likes to share.

 

As for the mosaic, I could definitely go either way.  Could easily just be the face she wanted to present outside the Pantheon, even if it wasn't the literal truth.  The source of Mythal's physical body is posing a mental roadblock for me, with the mounting evidence that she was the Earth as well as Mythal, which could very well make her true form fundamentally different from the rest of the Pantheon, like the Sun's is.  

 

Both dragons?  Possibly.  But that does crazy things in my head with "seraphym" literally meaning "burning ones", and being represented as serpents in the Hebrew bible.

 

*facepalm*

 

Just... no.  Please no.   The last thing we need now is another layer of Maker tossed on the pile.  

 

_{^{my god it's rebellion after rebellion all the way down}}

[Avejajed]

So I am wandering around the temple of Dirthamen to see if there's anything suspicious or interesting in light of some theories going around.

I haven't found anything really relevant- but, I do find it interesting that all of the murals in the temple are actually of Falon'Din, not Dirthamen. Did whoever put the assets down just get them confused?

Today at work I had a wild, fleeting theory that Solas was Falon'din and also Zazikel (or something) because rebellion and chaos idk and that Dirthamen was Razikale.

Because secrets=mystery.

I'm still trying to prove all the Gods are one and the same. Lol.

Also because Razikale and Zazikel have to be related right?
Lol

[HurricaneGinger]

 

Yes, definitely. I managed to hit upon a really crushing combination in that scene as Solas' standoffishness about the Dalish was always a sore point for my Lavellan, and then he just delivers this final killing blow that the vallaslin is a symbol of our people's slavery, as my Lavellan asks if this is "just another thing the Dalish got wrong" in that perfectly heartbroken tone of voice. *shivers* How can one meet in the middle, truly, when Lavellan, representative of elves who have forgotten but who still try to glory in their past and cling to it, and Solas, who knows what was actually lost and sees how far elves have strayed... it really is like the elves of today are not elves. It was sweet and beautiful to have him love her for who she was, and yet I view the Dalish traditions as a fragile, if fierce, pillar of strength for their entire culture - to have that pulled out from under you is a huuuuuuuge slap in the face. It started with Abelas and his whole you-are-just-another-shemlen thing, but Solas put the last dagger in.

 

I was vacillating for quite a bit over whether or not to remove the vallaslin for this same reason, but it came down to this in me: my Lavellan, who is proud to be Dalish in that kind of desperate way that people cling to the crumbs of what they once were, has to sacrifice her past - not just her own, but her people's past - in order to be able to fully accept what Solas has to offer and learn the truth, look to the future of elvenkind. It's like an offering towards what is blossoming between them and what the future of elves can be in general. Solas is prepared to do the same with his almost-confession... and then he chooses not to, perhaps realizing that he might crush this blossom before it ever saw the light of day for just a fraction of the truth coming to the surface. And also (which makes it all so much worse) not only does he realize he cannot let go of the past because he must rectify his mistake, he may even realize that he must fix what he messed up for her sake as well, to give the people, her people, something more to cling to than misunderstood symbols of their time as slaves.

Then again, I thought that keeping the vallaslin would be equally potent - it should be understood for what it is, BUT it is also a symbol of remembrance. Conquering what was done to them by owning it. Those are slave markings? No more. Now they symbolize what was done to elves and their defiance in the face of that. It would totally fit. But I chose removal because of what my Lavellan wanted from Solas and she was willing to come halfway to meet him - which is why it hurt so much that he wasn't willing to do the same (regardless of how good a reason he had).

 

Exactly. In my headcanon, Terrwyn is slowly letting go of the Dalish, and the vallaslin was just the final step. As a First, I assume she had a Keeper's ring to show her role among the Dalish. She has it on her finger at first, a cuff binding her to her duty. Then, she hangs it around her neck - chaining herself to her people because she is afraid to lose them as well as herself; it could also represent a noose, because she was never given any freedom among her people, and if she doesn't allow herself to let go she won't actually know herself. Then, she utterly throws the ring away. That ring binds her to a culture that is not saving itself as they believe, and she just doesn't believe in it anymore after everything she's seen. 

 

Removing the vallaslin was frightening because when she looks in a mirror she will finally see that she is no longer Dalish. But she felt it was necessary not just to move on, but to gain closure with her feelings of her people as well as the loss of her clan. She no longer saw herself as one of the "noble wanderers". Terrwyn thought Solas would be there to help her come to terms with everything together, as they always did. Instead, she was left with a bare face, and her emotions in turmoil. 

 

I think some independence from Solas will give Terrwyn time to come to terms with what she wants and who she is. 

 

Whats wrong about that. Sex is a natural thing in life.. I don't understand those ones who get scared of seeing something sexual. 

 

It's nice because I've run into people who make it their life mission to shame anyone who watches porn. 

 

definetely.. wolf god sex! YESSSSS 

 

AAAAARRRRROOOOOOOO

 

*Quietly sobs in desperation for answers*

 

 

 

WE GO TO DIRTHAMEN AND HE TELLS US ABOUT SOLAS BEING FEN'HAREL AND WE'RE LIKE OH HELL NO ****** "TAKE DREAD WOLF BY THE EAR" IS ABOUT TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW MEANING GET YOUR FINE ASS BACK HERE

[miraclemight]

So I am wandering around the temple of Dirthamen to see if there's anything suspicious or interesting in light of some theories going around.

 

I haven't found anything really relevant- but, I do find it interesting that all of the murals in the temple are actually of Falon'Din, not Dirthamen. Did whoever put the assets down just get them confused? 

 

The writers all played the game prior to release. Someone would have definitely noticed if there was such a huge mistake.

 

Perhaps Dirthamen fled as Falon'Din tried to capture him, his territory, his temple? The disciples' notes mention that he suddenly went silent.

[Janic99]

[OxidantsHappen]

This actually made me very sad. D:

 

No no no. *hands out Team Optimism banners to everyone.*

 

I legit teared up when this scene happened in game. 

 

I so hope that if bioware does something like this for solas, it's written in the way that makes your heart break in a good way.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=fkyi8aLgq_k

 

 

the feels.

[madrar]

Today at work I had a wild, fleeting theory that Solas was Falon'din and also Zazikel (or something) because rebellion and chaos idk and that Dirthamen was Razikale.

Because secrets=mystery.

I'm still trying to prove all the Gods are one and the same. Lol.

Also because Razikale and Zazikel have to be related right?
Lol

 

...eh?  Solas is Falon'Din/Dirthamen.   You're not crazy.  The basic timeline goes something like:

 

Pre-veil "protoelf" -> Falon'Din/Dirthamen -> Dread Wolf -> Fen'Harel -> Solas.

 

 Full evidence pile here.  

[Mims]

The writers all played the game prior to release. Someone would have definitely noticed if there was such a huge mistake.

 

Perhaps Dirthamen fled as Falon'Din tried to capture him, his territory, his temple? The disciples' notes mention that he suddenly went silent.

 

Possibly. But, you might not really be paying super close attention either. Other thing of interest- the other mosiacs seem to be of Ghilan'nain, but super close up so only the halla portion is visible. Unless I'm losing my mind. I swear I see the deer eyes and the same nose shape. 

[Janic99]

I legit teared up when this scene happened in game. 

 

I so hope that if bioware does something like this for solas, it's written in the way that makes your heart break in a good way.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=fkyi8aLgq_k

 

 

the feels.

I'd rather see him like Bigby 

[Avejajed]

...eh? Solas is Falon'Din/Dirthamen. You're not crazy.

Well yes, in your theory. Which I like, but I'm not 100 percent sold on because mostly some of it goes over my head. Lol.

But my idea was mostly that Fen'Harel was originally called Falon'Din and it wasn't until after a rebellion (idk?) that they changed his name.