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#50601
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I think its very unlikely that we'll see Fen'Harel actually having been more than just Fen'Harel.

 

The average person is not reading super into lore- at best they are partially familiar with the elven gods. It would become super confusing if they then started throwing on other identities with little lead up to the fact. Elven gods are not the only characters in the story. They do want to keep some wider, narrative cohesion. If it was something they were planning to do, I am certain they would have at least hinted such a thing in the game.

 

At the moment, I can't think of anything to suggest that Fen'Harel is anything but Fen'Harel. Anything beyond that is speculation, and as someone who enjoys speculating, you can bend almost any information to fit a theory. It is fun! But ultimately the easiest answer is usually the correct one. 

 

If the statue in Flemeth's fade world is intended to be of Dirthamen, she wouldn't be stabbing him in the back if he was also Fen'Harel. Solas also has some fairly negative words for Falon'Din. Solas has a lot of guilt, certainly. But it did not seem as though he were speaking of himself when he reminisced about him. 

Yeah. I kind of like that his prior problems (appear) to mirror what the Inquisitor deals with - power struggles, making hard decisions that shape the world.   So depending on how you played your Inky - douchey/diplomatic - he responds to that.  So if you're romanced/friend, we've established it's a real struggle for him to walk away because he realizes he may have been wrong about this age and the people in it.  He finally not only finds love(aww) but he finds a group of people he respects and trusts.  Which is new for him.  Or if you're an enemy he mentions that he will look forward to the day that you fall.  The game doesn't really seem to indicate that he is anything but Fen'harel and everything he dealt with before is the same old political bullshit.


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#50602
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So if mythal could turn into a dragon, did Solas turn into a Wolf or a Gryphon? 

 

Which one is sexier?


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So if mythal could turn into a dragon, did Solas turn into a Wolf or a Gryphon? 

 

Which one is sexier?

 griffon because in haven he implies the inquisitor should ride a griffon


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#50604
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What if Solas really was an apostate dreamer mage, and Fen'Harel took over his body?

 

And when the Fear Demon said "your pride is dead", he really meant "solas is dead"?



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 griffon because in haven he implies the inquisitor should ride a griffon

 

I love that sexual innuendo. 


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#50606
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So if mythal could turn into a dragon, did Solas turn into a Wolf or a Gryphon?

Which one is sexier?


Wolf. All day every day.
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So if mythal could turn into a dragon, did Solas turn into a Wolf or a Gryphon? 

 

Which one is sexier?

 

Wolf is cooler. I want a huge white fluffy wolf that you can ride and use as a pillow.


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Regarding Sera breaking up with a Dalish inquisitor unless she agrees that her elven heritage sucks and should be forgotten...

 

...some see that as a key character trait.  You can check the Sera character thread and find people comparing her to Andruil (her second tarot card follows the same pattern as the Andruil vallaslin).  We're talking about an elven girl who was probably an orphan in the Denerim alienage during the Blight.  Anyone who played DA:O knows that the things that went down in that alienage could make anyone crazy, especially if Sera had to live through what happened to the orphanage there.  That orphanage was jam packed with ghosts, demons, and abominations by the time the Warden arrived.  Sera's lucky to be alive.

 

Yet, Sera seems oddly perceptive.  The first thing she says about Solas is that he has "his head crammed up a thousand years ago."  She says this instinctively.  And it's ACCURATE!  Fen'Harel has been sleeping for literally one thousand years.  How'd she know to say that?  She didn't; stuff like that just keeps popping out of her mouth.  

 

Solas claims that Sera is apart from herself.  I believe that to be an accurate statement as well.  She wants you to forget being Dalish because that side of her is something she stands apart from.

 

EDIT: I am planning to take Solas and Sera together to as many places as possible in my current playthrough just to see how they interact.  And I don't mean just the side banter already on youtube.

 

2nd EDIT: Sera claims to have shot an arrow into the Breach.  The fact that the arrow didn't come back down weirds her out.  What gets me is more poignant: how can anyone shoot an arrow that high into the sky?!


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What if Solas really was an apostate dreamer mage, and Fen'Harel took over his body?

 

And when the Fear Demon said "your pride is dead", he really meant "solas is dead"?

 

I don't think Fen'harel would be that cruel.



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#50611
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Wolf is cooler. I want a huge white fluffy wolf that you can ride and use as a pillow.

 

Like Princess Mononoke and her brothers?


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...Sweet sassy mollassey... that is one fine man.



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Regarding Sera breaking up with a Dalish inquisitor unless she agrees that her elven heritage sucks and should be forgotten...

 

...some see that as a key character trait.  You can check the Sera character thread and find people comparing her to Andruil (her second tarot card follows the same pattern as the Andruil vallaslin).  We're talking about an elven girl who was probably an orphan in the Denerim alienage during the Blight.  Anyone who played DA:O knows that the things that went down in that alienage could make anyone crazy, especially if Sera had to live through what happened to the orphanage there.  That orphanage was jam packed with ghosts, demons, and abominations by the time the Warden arrived.  Sera's lucky to be alive.

 

Yet, Sera seems oddly perceptive.  The first thing she says about Solas is that he has "his head crammed up a thousand years ago."  She says this instinctively.  And it's ACCURATE!  Fen'Harel has been sleeping for literally one thousand years.  How'd she know to say that?  She didn't; stuff like that just keeps popping out of her mouth.  

 

Solas claims that Sera is apart from herself.  I believe that to be an accurate statement as well.  She wants you to forget being Dalish because that side of her is something she stands apart from.

 

EDIT: I am planning to take Solas and Sera together to as many places as possible in my current playthrough just to see how they interact.

 

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have disparaged Sera. She's a lovely character that appeals to a lot of people for good reason, and I shouldn't put her down; especially not to put another character up.

 

She just... doesn't appeal to me personally. That's all I'll say about that.

 

If it helps, I do tend to find her pretty funny, and I do often bring her along for comic relief, and because I think she makes a great foil for Solas.



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 griffon because in haven he implies the inquisitor should ride a griffon

 

Nah, the griffon is already reserved for Merrill. My headcanon for how Hawke escapes the Weisshaupt lockdown is in a daring aerial escape from the eyrie, riding a griffon named "Feathers"... providing both a gift for Merrill and some great fodder for Varric's next book.


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And this is part of why this thread is ten million times better than the Mass Effect 3 Liara thread from a few years ago.  I couldn't even risk opening that thread in a public environment or around children.

 

*glances at Solas grunt compilation*  So far this thread is far tamer and much easier to approach.  Carry on.

Lol. We put the NSFW stuff behind blinders.  XD



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Like Princess Mononoke and her brothers?

 

If Solas DLC does not include at least one wolf riding moment, I will be very disappoint. 


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Nah, the griffon is already reserved for Merrill. My headcanon for how Hawke escapes the Weisshaupt lockdown is in a daring aerial escape from the eyrie, riding a griffon named "Feathers"... providing both a gift for Merrill and some great fodder for Varric's next book.

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Exactly. In my headcanon, Terrwyn is slowly letting go of the Dalish, and the vallaslin was just the final step. As a First, I assume she had a Keeper's ring to show her role among the Dalish. She has it on her finger at first, a cuff binding her to her duty. Then, she hangs it around her neck - chaining herself to her people because she is afraid to lose them as well as herself; it could also represent a noose, because she was never given any freedom among her people, and if she doesn't allow herself to let go she won't actually know herself. Then, she utterly throws the ring away. That ring binds her to a culture that is not saving itself as they believe, and she just doesn't believe in it anymore after everything she's seen. 

 

Removing the vallaslin was frightening because when she looks in a mirror she will finally see that she is no longer Dalish. But she felt it was necessary not just to move on, but to gain closure with her feelings of her people as well as the loss of her clan. She no longer saw herself as one of the "noble wanderers". Terrwyn thought Solas would be there to help her come to terms with everything together, as they always did. Instead, she was left with a bare face, and her emotions in turmoil. 

 

I think some independence from Solas will give Terrwyn time to come to terms with what she wants and who she is. 

*snip*

 

I can totally relate to the agonies of letting go of something as precious as the last living remnants of your entire people (as she saw it). The bitterness for my Lavellan was the result of really, really wanting to continue to believe that what her people were doing was right and good at the heart of it, but she could not continue to deny that they basically got everything wrong. Abelas was the second to last nail in the coffin (I've seen this sentiment elsewhere), the fact that an actual ancient elf would consider her a shem and then Solas, as we know.

 

Interesting thought: I've mentioned the wisdom/pride spirit thing that clings to Solas, his fascination, possibly part of his being (or wholly his being), his constant references to it, his mental control in the Fade that keeps demons from being demons around him; all of this points to what is quintessentially Solas, a seeker of wisdom and a victim of his own pride (possibly), but either way ultimately he is pitted against the arrogance he sees in modern elves. It is that quality in him, of moving on the wisdom-pride axis, that enables him to recognize his own bias and let it go if you call him out on it. So, considering a person he deeply cares for, his gift is that of wisdom (and more importantly: humility) in the face of false pride. Should Lavellan continue to be prideful in ignorance? Whether it's an innocent pride that gives her strength or an overbearing arrogance, the point is, while removing the vallaslin is a symbol of action, it is the knowledge of what it truly is that is the gift itself. Note that (if I know correctly) Solas does not disapprove of your choice to keep it if you do decide that. It is up to Lavellan to carry the burden of this knowledge or not.

Therefore, this entire question becomes less about Lavellan's ties to the Dalish and more about how she chooses to conduct herself as a Dalish - or more importantly as an elf - after gaining this sliver of knowledge. I understand this clinging that I saw expressed in my Lavellan's inability to face these difficult junctures without tears inside, and her constant attempt to defend what she is and where she came from, to the elves of the Dalish clans the ancient times are idolized, revered and respected. It's like finding out your best friend used to drown kittens. (Blackwall, anyone?) To my Lavellan being Dalish was never a shackle, but something very fragile and wondrous - she never realizes how much strength she draws from her people's legacy, from her heritage, the roots that distinguish her from others until all of that is blown away by evidence after evidence to the contrary. Solas' reveal about the vallaslin hurt the most because it signifies the whole, painful truth that she would never want to face about her people - it's the utter deconstruction of the ego, her heart is finally sliced open and at that point I think she would accept anything Solas would want from her if only to fill that gaping hole where her bond to her pillars of strength used to be.

 

I think I'm repeating myself now. Well, it IS a very emotional scene that had a huge impact so...

 

I am still pretty torn on the drink from the well/let Morri drink and remove the vallaslin/keep it.

It is hard for my mage Levallan to let go all of the ancient knowledge if Morrigan drinks from the well. Still, she is aware of the geas and being bound like that is a major violation of her freedom. She still believes in elven gods whilst Morrigan ridicules the idea and is not afraid of the immediate consequences. It is hard not to meta game this decision. For instance I do think that Mythal's spirit will be preserved, most likely in Morrigan and I want to keep my options open, i.e. not being forced to stand against Solas (I still might do depending on circumstances but would prefer to make the decision myself).

As for the vallaslin, my girl is pretty much on the fence, that's why I struggle so much. There is good argument to do either, and the lines delivered by Lavellan are strong in both situations. Again, I love the removal scene and how vulnerable my girl is without it, with her utmost belief in Solas and what he represents and then him leaving and her staying with nothing. It had such an impact on me seeing her so naked.

 

It was hard for me to let Morrigan drink. I wanted to drink because I thought, it's Lavellan's heritage, and to be bound to one of her own gods is no price at all, it is an opportunity to rekindle something that was lost. I agree with the sentiment that it was Abelas' and his companions' hoarding actions that basically allowed the cultural entropy to happen that he so scornfully comments on in the first place, and I wonder at what reaction she would have had after the vallaslin reveal following that. However, I was held back by the info that Solas doesn't approve - in hindsight, it would be kind of awkward to be the lover of one god and a slave to another (who's relationship to your lover is ambiguous at best). As a rogue, I could reject it simply for the argument that Morrigan is a mage and can utilize that knowledge better than my Lavellan ever could, this is true. However, her dismissive attitude makes that decision hard just on those grounds alone; as I said above, my Lavellan was trying to desperately cling to the virtues of her people.

 

Still, it was kind of priceless to see Morrigan discover Mythal's true nature, and in her mother no less. That eased my mind.



#50619
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Yup. Every group is flawed, so might as well go with the group you personally like instead of the one you see as "less flawed/more perfect" than others.

 

I guess I was unfair to Cassandra. I actually really like her, and I somehow managed to highly raise her approval, get her to consider my Inquisitor a close friend, and honestly get my Inquisitor to consider her one of her most trusted allies, despite how my Quizzy consistently sided with mages and "heathen" elven stuff all the way through.

 

I guess it's Sera's complete and utter rejection of anything "too elfy" and her refusal to even consider that there might be some value in any of it (even if she doesn't see it) just gets to me. Then again, blithe dismissal and stubborn refusal to even entertain the possibility that there might any value in something irks me no matter who says it.

 

Absolutely. I quite like the Dalish, even though (like Inquisitor Lavellan) I acknowledge that they have flaws; I respect their perseverance in the face of adversity, and I enjoy how they view magic positively.

 

As for Cassandra, I understand what you mean. I like her despite being ideologically opposed to her on many things - the Dalish, the merits of the Chantry, mages, magic, giving the Orlesian Grey Wardens another chance - but I see a lot of Andrastian humans who either get pushy about their faith (Anders continual attempts to impose his Andrastian views on Merrill), or who simply think people of other faiths believe in the Maker differently (Leliana and Sebastian, both in reference to the Dalish). I understood how lonely Merrill must have felt to be surrounded by so many people who genuinely believe in the Maker, and simply can't grasp that you don't share their views.

 

Admittedly, it could get annoying at times, but I understand that it's part of their cultural upbringing. I'll concede that it's also the reason that Revas Lavellan never romanced Cassandra or Josephine, simply because I don't think either one could truly accept that part of my character. I suppose it's partly why Revas' friendship with Solas stood out - aside from his interesting views about spirits, blood magic, and the Beyond, he was an alleged hedge mage who starts off having an abysmal view of the Dalish, and can end up coming around because Revas shows him another side to the Dalish than the one he's seen.



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Nah, the griffon is already reserved for Merrill. My headcanon for how Hawke escapes the Weisshaupt lockdown is in a daring aerial escape from the eyrie, riding a griffon named "Feathers"... providing both a gift for Merrill and some great fodder for Varric's next book.

 

but he says in his sexy accent that inquisitor should ride in on a griffon if they weren't extinct, which is obviously his sneaky way of saying he wants to have sex with the inquisitor because he's obviously a griffon.

 

this needs to be true because ride the griffon. 


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#50621
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Regarding Sera breaking up with a Dalish inquisitor unless she agrees that her elven heritage sucks and should be forgotten...

 

...some see that as a key character trait.  You can check the Sera character thread and find people comparing her to Andruil (her second tarot card follows the same pattern as the Andruil vallaslin).  We're talking about an elven girl who was probably an orphan in the Denerim alienage during the Blight.  Anyone who played DA:O knows that the things that went down in that alienage could make anyone crazy, especially if Sera had to live through what happened to the orphanage there.  That orphanage was jam packed with ghosts, demons, and abominations by the time the Warden arrived.  Sera's lucky to be alive.

 

Yet, Sera seems oddly perceptive.  The first thing she says about Solas is that he has "his head crammed up a thousand years ago."  She says this instinctively.  And it's ACCURATE!  Fen'Harel has been sleeping for literally one thousand years.  How'd she know to say that?  She didn't; stuff like that just keeps popping out of her mouth.  

 

Solas claims that Sera is apart from herself.  I believe that to be an accurate statement as well.  She wants you to forget being Dalish because that side of her is something she stands apart from.

 

EDIT: I am planning to take Solas and Sera together to as many places as possible in my current playthrough just to see how they interact.  And I don't mean just the side banter already on youtube.

 

2nd EDIT: Sera claims to have shot an arrow into the Breach.  The fact that the arrow didn't come back down weirds her out.  What gets me is more poignant: how can anyone shoot an arrow that high into the sky?!

I like Sera. I hated her at first because she's so abrasive and super rude, but after a while she kind of grew on me.  I'm not one to imbue her with the...divine...abilities that the rest of the fandom wants to do(but I get it).  Why I like Sera: She knows that she's a bit 'elfy'.  There's no denying that elves have certain affinities for magic/nature/The Beyond.  This TERRIFIES her.  She likes things simple.  I think she's afraid that everything with the elves is real and if it's real, it makes the world so much more complicated(and we as the player now know that in whatever way, it is real).  That's why I love Sera. I love her struggle with herself and her beliefs.  It makes her abrasive-ness seem less base/juvenile.  I don't pity her in the kind of ****-heel way Solas does.  I empathize with her. I'm interested to see how she reacts to Solas and how much that is going to shake her.  "ELFY WHY?"

 

I love bringing her and Solas in a group.  I love their banter over the glorious revolution.  Also, she's pretty much the only character that nearly gets Solas to just crack.


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I'm sorry. I shouldn't have disparaged Sera. She's a lovely character that appeals to a lot of people for good reason, and I shouldn't put her down; especially not to put another character up.

 

She just... doesn't appeal to me personally. That's all I'll say about that.

 

If it helps, I do tend to find her pretty funny, and I do often bring her along for comic relief, and because I think she makes a great foil for Solas.

 

Huh?  Oh.  No, actually her voice grates my ears, I can barely understand a thing she says without subtitles, and I disagree with her more often than not.  I left Sera at base for my entire first playthrough.  I seek to understand her now, not to defend her.



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Regarding Sera breaking up with a Dalish inquisitor unless she agrees that her elven heritage sucks and should be forgotten...

 

...some see that as a key character trait.  You can check the Sera character thread and find people comparing her to Andruil (her second tarot card follows the same pattern as the Andruil vallaslin).  We're talking about an elven girl who was probably an orphan in the Denerim alienage during the Blight.  Anyone who played DA:O knows that the things that went down in that alienage could make anyone crazy, especially if Sera had to live through what happened to the orphanage there.  That orphanage was jam packed with ghosts, demons, and abominations by the time the Warden arrived.  Sera's lucky to be alive.

 

Yet, Sera seems oddly perceptive.  The first thing she says about Solas is that he has "his head crammed up a thousand years ago."  She says this instinctively.  And it's ACCURATE!  Fen'Harel has been sleeping for literally one thousand years.  How'd she know to say that?  She didn't; stuff like that just keeps popping out of her mouth.  

 

Solas claims that Sera is apart from herself.  I believe that to be an accurate statement as well.  She wants you to forget being Dalish because that side of her is something she stands apart from.

 

EDIT: I am planning to take Solas and Sera together to as many places as possible in my current playthrough just to see how they interact.  And I don't mean just the side banter already on youtube.

 

2nd EDIT: Sera claims to have shot an arrow into the Breach.  The fact that the arrow didn't come back down weirds her out.  What gets me is more poignant: how can anyone shoot an arrow that high into the sky?!

 

I'll get on that gravy train.  ^w^  There's no doubt in my mind that Sera's carrying around Andruil's wiped-clean OGS. 

 

That said, I'm still up in the air about whether Solas knows that and is purposefully trying to reach that part of her.  On the one hand- he must, right?  If anyone understands exactly what's happening with the reincarnation loop and why, it would be him.  On the other, Cole doesn't seem aware- at least, not directly, and he's usually the canary in the coalmine.  

 

I'm going with "he knows, but there's really not much he can do about it" until futher notice.


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its called The Elder One Theme on the soundtrack  

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I was talking about an orchestra music, that plays just before The Elder One Theme kicks in. Gah. Hard to explain. It's playing while you run from The Chantry to trebuchet.