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[dragondreamer]

I got the impression Abelas knew who Solas was, he just wasn't giving him away.  They were way too *winkwink* with each other.

[panamakira]

 

About Wardens not recognizing Blackwall: I am going to copy-paste what people said about that on tvtropes, because that's the most likely explanation:

 

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• Well of the named Wardens, Clarel never got close enough to Blackwall to see him and was rather preoccupied at the time, whilst Loghain, Stroud and Alistair simply never met the man, the same way that Stroud never met Duncan or Alistair hasn't met Wardens at their main stronghold. As for the rest, how many of them would have actually met the real Blackwall seeing as at the time of his death he was wandering around alone recruiting people? Note that despite the Inquisitor at Skyhold being one of the biggest names in two countries, all Iron Bull has to do is slap some common armour and get you to be silent and none of your own grunts recognise you as their leader; just because you know of someone doesn't mean you would recognise them if you had never met before, and with large organisations nobody is going to recognize everyone. 

 

 

Actually I wasn't talking about Grey Wardens recognizing Blackwall physically but if they could detect the taint in him. We know Grey Wardens can sense darkspawn because they share the Blight right? So in DA2, Anders says he can sense other Wardens nearby and its Stroud/Alistair. My question is if they can sense each other, how come they don't sense that Blackwall accompanying the Inquisitor? 

 

Mind you there are theories that maybe because they were all in the middle of a Calling, they couldn't process everything...

 

 

If he doesn't lie directly, he lies by omission. (As in, omits the facts.)

[snip]

Yes he definitely omits a lot of crucial information. He gives you partial truths and I think up to that point at the Ball, he hadn't slipped much.

 

Solas Disapproves - You made me lie ma vhenan!  

 

(source)

[_Lucinia]

Or if he would recognize Fen'Harel in this particular guise.... yet, it is curious that Abelas somehow spots that he's different. What gave it away, I wonder? And if something gave it away, why did he not jump to the right conclusion?

 

It could just be a random thing that Solas suddenly garners his respect, buuuut.... that's a shady answer to me.

Maybe the baldness gave it away!    Or the Elvhen smell like peppermint or vanilla, something weird like that.  

 

Ok serious answer.  It might be the lack of Vallaslin on Solas' face.  But Abelas and the Sentinels more than likely have had run ins with bare-faced elves before, so I am gonna rule that explanation out.  You are correct though, it is curious that Abelas could sense that.  It could be something he is able to see because of his servitude to Mythal.  I am curious what magical abilities he has.  

 

The likely answer is he knows, and he knows better than to give it away.

[Gwyvian]

*snip*
I think the only time he lies directly is if the Inquisitor talks to him right after the Orlesian Ball, where he mentions how much he missed the dangers of court intrigue. If you ask him directly "When were you at court?" He immediately starts to backpedal, and protest that an elven apostate would never be allowed in court, of course; he only saw it in the Fade. Interesting, this might be the only question you earn disapproval of in the game, and likely because you've forced him to lie directly to maintain his cover.
*snip*

 

I so wish we could have dug deeper there. I know that it would have been a train wreck to reveal too much there, but it just got me so curious! The fact that we can't dig deeper there is faaar more suspicious than any awkward lies Solas might have come up with. He just said a complete contradiction and all you get is a minor disapproval and closed book answer. *sigh*

 

I got the impression Abelas knew who Solas was, he just wasn't giving him away.  They were way too *winkwink* with each other.

 

Good point. That occurred to me, too, as I reflected back to it.

[Liec]

I got the impression Abelas knew who Solas was, he just wasn't giving him away. They were way too *winkwink* with each other.

I wonder, does Abelas react the same way to Sera and Solas when he comments on you having an elven companion?

[dragondreamer]

Actually I wasn't talking about Grey Wardens recognizing Blackwall physically but if they could detect the taint in him. We know Grey Wardens can sense darkspawn because they share the Blight right? So in DA2, Anders says he can sense other Wardens nearby and its Stroud/Alistair. My question is if they can sense each other, how come they don't sense that Blackwall accompanying the Inquisitor? 

 

It's possible the false Calling was a big distraction.

[LliiraAnna]

Actually I wasn't talking about Grey Wardens recognizing Blackwall physically but if they could detect the taint in him. We know Grey Wardens can sense darkspawn because they share the Blight right? So in DA2, Anders says he can sense other Wardens nearby and its Stroud/Alistair. My question is if they can sense each other, how come they don't sense that Blackwall accompanying the Inquisitor? 

Oh, I see. Sorry for misunderstanding. Maybe they were just too preoccupied atm to pay him much attention?

[Gwyvian]

Maybe the baldness gave it away!    Or the Elvhen smell like peppermint or vanilla, something weird like that.  

 

Ok serious answer.  It might be the lack of Vallaslin on Solas' face.  But Abelas and the Sentinels more than likely have had run ins with bare-faced elves before, so I am gonna rule that explanation out.  You are correct though, it is curious that Abelas could sense that.  It could be something he is able to see because of his servitude to Mythal.  I am curious what magical abilities he has.  

 

The likely answer is he knows, and he knows better than to give it away.

 

Hahaha, I like this explanation. 

 

The connection to Mythal makes sense, but I'm wondering why he would allow Fen'Harel... I mean Fen'Harel further inside a temple with big secrets...? No, wait, I can answer that. He knows Solas would never drink from the Well, because then he would be in servitude to Mythal. Buuut then Abelas says Mythal was murdered, so what could it matter? (And yet, he states that as a price, an exacting price, implying he still is bound to his goddess, presumed dead or no.) Ahh! My head's going to explode.

 

I need to stop, I'll be up all night theorizing...

[Siha]

yet, it is curious that Abelas somehow spots that he's different. What gave it away, I wonder?

I would not put too much weight on that. We do know that BioWare does not make as many different cutcenes as might be desirable for players. Just reading about "magical growing/shrinking" shows that. And there were other scenes I came through that I think should have played out differently when being a Dalish (mage). I cannot name many in particular. Only that sometimes Solas seemed to have "forgotten" that I was an elf, too. Oh, I do know one. Where he praises the inquisitor (Dalish or not) for understanding Solas. He says something along the lines of "...instead of seeing a pair of pointy ears". It felt alright when I was human, it felt odd when I was a Dalish.

I actually believe that many cutscenes were just made to fit all types of inquisitors - Dalish or not, mage or not... Maybe Abelas only speaks to Solas at this point to keep it inquisitor-independent.

Moreover, it IS a response to something Solas said. Abelas would be kind of rude to suddenly address the inquisitor, who had not said anything at that point, while speaking to Solas. In short, this did not actually strike me as odd.

[kalasaurus]

So, I tried something new with Solas.  I had my Lavellan kiss him in the Fade and then agree just to be friends after she woke up and spoke to him (and I didn't go back a save).  This is what Solas had to say after he returned to Skyhold after All New, Faded for Her.  Err, I'm not sure what to make of it but yeah.  I picture my Lavellan being all kinds of confused (like me):

 

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[_Lucinia]

Actually I wasn't talking about Grey Wardens recognizing Blackwall physically but if they could detect the taint in him. We know Grey Wardens can sense darkspawn because they share the Blight right? So in DA2, Anders says he can sense other Wardens nearby and its Stroud/Alistair. My question is if they can sense each other, how come they don't sense that Blackwall accompanying the Inquisitor? 

 

Mind you there are theories that maybe because they were all in the middle of a Calling, they couldn't process everything...

I don't think sensing other Wardens is something so exact that they can pinpoint people to that extent.  With how many Wardens were in the vicinity I don't think they'd sense the lack of the taint in Blackwall.

 

I was under the impression that they can tell if Wardens are near based on sensing the taint. I am guessing that Darkspawn would feel very different, and a lot stronger, than it would in a Warden.

[dragondreamer]

I wonder, does Abelas react the same way to Sera and Solas when he comments on you having an elven companion?

 

I dunno, I haven't taken Sera to the Temple.  Lavellan has the "you've one of those who call themselves elvhen" dialogue there, if I recall.

[Gwyvian]

I would not put too much weight on that. We do know that BioWare does not make as many different cutcenes as might be desirable for players. Just reading about "magical growing/shrinking" shows that. And there were other scenes I came through that I think should have played out differently when being a Dalish (mage). I cannot name many in particular. Only that sometimes Solas seemed to have "forgotten" that I was an elf, too. Oh, I do know one. Where he praises the inquisitor (Dalish or not) for understanding Solas. He says something along the lines of "...instead of seeing a pair of pointy ears". It felt alright when I was human, it felt odd when I was a Dalish.

I actually believe that many cutscenes were just made to fit all types of inquisitors - Dalish or not, mage or not... Maybe Abelas only speaks to Solas at this point to keep it inquisitor-independent.

Moreover, it IS a response to something Solas said. Abelas would be kind of rude to suddenly address the inquisitor, who had not said anything at that point, while speaking to Solas. In short, this did not actually strike me as odd.

 

Hmm, good points there. I know one of those: when Solas says he senses one of the magic orbs "of my people" - AS IF I wasn't one of those people! That was mighty suspicious. But I suspected Inquisitor-generality was behind it in reality, it was a bit bothersome, though.

I would agree that Solas saying something and Abelas responding this way is good, but... he does call everyone shems, it felt like he was pointing at me personally. I can't remember the exact sequence, but after I tried to implore him to reveal himself to our people who need him and his companions, he totally shut me down that none of the "people" today are his people. I'd assume that with that attitude, regardless of what is said, he would still consider Solas to be just another shem in his eyes unless there is something special he sees.

[LliiraAnna]

I dunno, I haven't taken Sera to the Temple.  Lavellan has the "you've one of those who call themselves elvhen" dialogue there, if I recall.

"You have blood of those who call themselves Elvhen in you", if I am correct. That's what Abelas said to my Lav.

[_Lucinia]

Hahaha, I like this explanation. 

 

The connection to Mythal makes sense, but I'm wondering why he would allow Fen'Harel... I mean Fen'Harel further inside a temple with big secrets...? No, wait, I can answer that. He knows Solas would never drink from the Well, because then he would be in servitude to Mythal. Buuut then Abelas says Mythal was murdered, so what could it matter? (And yet, he states that as a price, an exacting price, implying he still is bound to his goddess, presumed dead or no.) Ahh! My head's going to explode.

 

I need to stop, I'll be up all night theorizing...

Well we see that Mythal and Fen'Harel are very old, very close friends.  Heck there's a wolf statue in her Temple.  I have no idea where Abelas ranks in the hierarchy of those in servitude to Mythal, or what they are allowed to know.  But it seems he knows about Mythal's murder (maybe even who is responsible).  He could be privy to some of Mythal's plans.  

I wouldn't be surprised if Abelas has quite a bit of knowledge.  But the being a servant of Mythal, he might not be able to say anything he doesn't have express permission to share.  I am sure in that case his little *wink, nod* to Solas would be as much as he'd dare.

 

edit.  Wow, top of the page again!  

 

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 source:http://raviesbar.tum...5/solas-chillin 

[panamakira]

Oh, I see. Sorry for misunderstanding. Maybe they were just too preoccupied atm to pay him much attention?

No worries!! Yeah that's another theory. I would hate to think because of plot reasons! lol

[nranola]

 

For those who can't watch it, what's in this video is what I'm assuming is the max disapproval conversation between a human Inquisitor and Solas, and near the end Solas says,

 

"I should thank you, Inquisitor. I had spent time with few of your people before this. From the stories, I thought you all thuggish, simple, and crude. Now? Now I know I was right. You have no idea what a comfort that is."

 

So, it looks like Solas has hardly had any interaction with humans before, and what he knows about them comes mostly from stories, maybe even from during Arlathan days when humans were still an unknown element in the fringes of elven society.

 

Interesting! I thought the "thuggish, simple, and crude" line was exclusive to Dalish Inquisitors. It takes a whole different meaning knowing that it applies to all Inquisitors.

[dragondreamer]

Hahaha, I like this explanation. 

 

The connection to Mythal makes sense, but I'm wondering why he would allow Fen'Harel... I mean Fen'Harel further inside a temple with big secrets...? No, wait, I can answer that. He knows Solas would never drink from the Well, because then he would be in servitude to Mythal. Buuut then Abelas says Mythal was murdered, so what could it matter? (And yet, he states that as a price, an exacting price, implying he still is bound to his goddess, presumed dead or no.) Ahh! My head's going to explode.

 

I need to stop, I'll be up all night theorizing...

 

Mythal was a close friend to Fen'Harel, so her followers may not blame him as much as whatever else that went wrong.  Abelas does point out that Fen'Harel wasn't responsible for what happened to Mythal, which would have directly impacted them. 

[Addai]

I think people put too much stock in Abelas addressing Solas there, too. It's like in Faded, the Kirkwall blob addresses Solas and says "A mage!" When there are obviously two or even three mages in my party. It's just efficiency with the VO, I think. People construct these scenarios out of that exchange with Abelas that I'm not sure are there. Though it's possible the voices know something about Solas- since Nightmare obviously does.

Edit: purrrrr angry Solas

[AWTEW]

 
I kid! I'm glad you enjoyed her! XD

Hahahaha, nooo i still wub Solas, i just wub Sera more. Oh and I wub all you guys too..and will still be in chat and cah.

[Rabbitonfire]

Interesting! I thought the "thuggish, simple, and crude" line was exclusive to Dalish Inquisitors. It takes a whole different meaning knowing that it applies to all Inquisitors.

See? Solas isn't racist. He hates them all equally.

[Hedinve]

So... I'm the only one (sorry I got 50 pages or so to catch up on) who found the video message a little... weird? Did someone just pay GDL to self-promote? The person who paid - a wonderful gesture ( to all the 2000 pages celebration contributers), but was that 38 seconds of "I need a job!"? Wonderful voice actor and all that, that just didn't sit well with me.

 

Hugs from a rude, grumpy old lady with a cultural background that says "if you are going to sell yourself, do it so the buyer has no idea that it's a sales pitch"

[Gwyvian]

Well we see that Mythal and Fen'Harel are very old, very close friends.  Heck there's a wolf statue in her Temple.  I have no idea where Abelas ranks in the hierarchy of those in servitude to Mythal, or what they are allowed to know.  But it seems he knows about Mythal's murder (maybe even who is responsible).  He could be privy to some of Mythal's plans.  

I wouldn't be surprised if Abelas has quite a bit of knowledge.  But the being a servant of Mythal, he might not be able to say anything he doesn't have express permission to share.  I am sure in that case his little *wink, nod* to Solas would be as much as he'd dare.

 

Agreed. If he knows and didn't want to give it away in turn, it makes sense regardless of what gave it away or if he knew from the start, but if this is true I'm still kind of mystified at the connection. Generally servants of gods aren't so... sanguine about other gods waltzing into their territory, or so I would imagine.

[dragondreamer]

"You have blood of those who call themselves Elvhen in you", if I am correct. That's what Abelas said to my Lav.

 

That's it, thank you.

 

(And my likes are gone already...)

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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