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Yes, he did. I took it as a "You shape the future of this world". And it did not strike me as odd.

But, I must repeat, I keep getting minor differences - for example (because somebody mentioned it a few posts ago) my current Dalish mage cannot ask "Who is Mythal?", she only gets options implying that she knows. I have no idea as to how their array of variables must look like to determine the options and lines we get.

Once I could even pursue a Solas romance though I had already committed to Cullen.

Yeah, I must have been reading into it, then, since they had already kissed in the Fade.  That, and he wanted to kiss her after it (which turned out to be some bug since he isn't flagged as a romance).



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Did anyone find 10 or more artifacts before finishing All New, Faded For Her? Since it looks like that certain quest (or balcony scene after it) is responsible for at least some dialogue bugs (Solas not commenting on Inquisitor's specialization if getting it after it) and does not appear in the list of finished Inner Circle quests. I will do it on my next PT, but maybe someone tried that already?

 

In my last playthrough I did activate a dozen or more artifacts before doing "All New". Though can't remember if I had my specialisation before or after doing that second quest of his, Solas did comment about the specialisation though. I'd have to check to see if it shows up in the completed Inner Circle quests.

 

The only thing that has never activated is the "What Lies Dormant" mission, which seems to be the same for everyone. That's why I was thinking the quest might have been removed from the game and not technically a bug (i.e. the Guide was wrong). And if the mission was removed, maybe it's because more Solas content is due to appear later.



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I do not mean to disagree about him seeing Solas as something special. In fact, I am not sure. He should notice Solas being special simply by learning that Solas really speaks and understands Elven, while Lavellan has grown rather distant to the ancient Elven culture. Also, why does Lavellan refer to Solas *at all* when meeting Abelas and his guys? She seems to think Solas is closer to them than she is, she assumes some further knowledge, understanding, or connection between Solas and Abelas. So, if I was Abelas and I see one elf asking another elf to speak to me, I would already assume the first elf does not feel too sure about her heritage. Starting from that point it is not too surprising for me that Abelas rather turns to Solas and disregards Lavellan.

This isn't true, though. Lavellan does speak elven and so do the Dalish regularly, as evidenced in The Stolen Throne where they say that they only speak the common tongue to outsiders and that "most" understand the common tongue (meaning some don't speak it at all!).

I agree, though, that I don't see any wink wink interactions between Solas and Abelas. What I like about their interaction is Solas trying to recruit him. TME spoilers:
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lavellan_and_solas_first_meeting_by_pain

I started making a small comic of Solas and Lavellans first meeting when she was still a rebellious little kid. He wiped off her memory afterwards. Also.. Sorry about the shadows I took the pic with my phone haha XD 

As you can see... well.. also when I do comics I do not really draw them perfectly but as you can see I ain't bad drawer if I wanna do it correctly. 


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The writers all played the game prior to release. Someone would have definitely noticed if there was such a huge mistake.

 

Perhaps Dirthamen fled as Falon'Din tried to capture him, his territory, his temple? The disciples' notes mention that he suddenly went silent.

 

I'm curious if Dirthamen suddenly went silent because he really *did* get a knife in the back a la the Flemythal scene in the Fade or if it was because that was the moment Fen'Harel sealed them all away?

 

I have a problem. A really huge one.

Do you, guys, remember the moment during In Your Heart Shall Burn, when Quizzie has to run to trebuchet and drop half a mountain on Cory's head? And the music that played? Well, I can't seem to find this particular piece in the soundtrack. It is there, isn't it? And I'm just plain stupid, right?

 

I always thought that whole segment was just a looped or long drawn-out version of "The Elder One Theme" (which is on the soundtrack)? Or is that just the song that plays after the trebuchet gets taken out?

 



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I remember Weekes answering about whether Solas is possessed or not. but I don't know how to browse tweets.

 

Eh, Weekes dodged the question in the interview so I'm guessing we still don't have a consensus as to what the Solas/Fen'Harel relationship actually is. Let's list the possibilities for simplicity's sake: 

 

> Fen'Harel "slept" for a number of years and simply took the new name of "Solas" when he woke

> Fen'Harel put a "soul fragment" into the body of a mage named Solas, à la Flemeth/Mythal

> Fen'Harel met Solas while wandering the fade, and Solas agreed to be a host, à la Anders/Justice

> Solas died, but not before attracting the spirit of Fen'Harel, à la Cole

> Solas is the Maker

 

Anything else? 

 

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2. I believe Solas is telling us the truth. If we look at the themes of DA:I a HUGE part of it was the tendency of common people to deify and elevate those they see with power they do not understand. It happens with the Herald/ Inquisitor no matter how hard you deny it with your own mouth. Everyone, literally EVERYONE (with the exception of Solas), is willing to see you as something more until the sequence in the Fade. Even then, people choose to reject the truth. When analyzing myths and tales of origin within religious narratives, more often than not, they were constructed by the people to explain things they couldn't understand. A person walking physically through the fade? A woman guiding her to safety? Gotta be the spirit of Andraste. This person was sent here to save us! The inquisitor is an elf... welllll... I suppose that shows how far the Herald has risen! YEAH, racism being used to explain how divine you are!

I don't know what Solas' plans are. All we know is that he wishes to rectify a mistake of his past, a mistake so scarring to who he is as an individual, he cannot abandon his efforts to fix it. Cole's party banter with Solas post-break up where he's trying to help Lavellan's and Solas' emotional pain tells us the following: 1) Back when things sang the same, Solas felt an emotional pain - either due to the situation of the elves at that time or due to his actions at the time. 2) Clearly something about the Inquisitor, by being real*, could change everything (even Solas admits this in the Haven scene - he feels the whole world change). 3) "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (Gasps.) Where did it go?" - those who are sealed behind the Eluvians are in uthenera. They're clearly hiding from something they wish to escape, but in doing so they're experiencing pain. The only way to solve THAT pain, which Solas is quick to tell Cole he can't fix, is to awaken them with some sort of MacGuffin we don't have enough information to name or place.

Another Cole-Solas banter hints that Solas envies Cole because Cole can be happy because he can forget people and events and move on without changing his nature. Cole offers Solas two ways to heal the pain of his memory: 1) Remember them. In remembering them, cherishing them as they remain in his memory. 2) Let them go. This could mean "forgetting" them, but I think it has more to do with moving on. Accepting that they once were, but time requires that his mind move down different paths. It's clear that Solas appreciates these offers of help, but refuses to take either path. He remembers them both as they were and as they now are - at one point great, and now in pain. He can't let them go because of his sense of responsibility for the situation, so he can't move on. These are emotional choices Solas himself has made and rejects Cole's solutions. Cole reminds Solas that he souldn't feel guilty because it wasn't about Solas being right or exerting dominance over them, it was about saving them, which was right.

So TL;DR Solas is consumed by guilt at whatever action he did because he is unwilling to relinquish the memories he has of those he sealed, even though the course of action he took was right and it did save them. Knowing what we know about Solas about free will, maybe he feels guilty about what he did because it robbed them of their choice - even if it was self-destruction. Yes, I think he feels shitty about how things went down for the elves as time progressed - I'm sure he had hoped they would have escaped slavery, ignorance, poverty, and servitude. He knows he can't rewind time (dear god please don't let there be anymore time magic in DA.. it's such a mess and never satisfying), but perhaps by bringing these Gods back, the People can regain what was lost. If these Gods self-destruct, it's by their own choice, the very thing Solas feels he robbed from them.

While Solas idolizes a time when the Fade and the Physical World were one, I am unsure if he actually lived it or has only experienced it via memory in the Fade. We have no way of knowing until more information is given. I just question if that's his actual goal because his conversations with Cole seem to point at something else. The rejoining of the Fade to the Physical World, however, might be the fall out of whatever it is he is planning to do, just not the end goal in and of itself.
 

I'll continue the rest in another post or else this will be a terrifying wall of text no one will ever read!

EDIT: *REAL: What does that word even MEAN!? Sometimes I feel that "real" means spiritual to Cole because when he talks to a mage Lavellan he mentions her pulling stuff from the fade and in the process making the physical world more "real", but at others I feel like "real" refers to those that are both spiritual and physical - like himself, Solas, Cassandra, and the Inquisitor. They all (by their nature as spirit-human hybrids or power) exist in some way in both places.

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Huh....that makes sense. I was having trouble reconciling the idea that Solas wanted to "bring them all back". Since he

a. (as Fen'Harel) had a hand in bringing them all down

b. is supposedly their "prison guard" and 

c. wouldn't want to be responsible for inflicting that level of violence upon the existing world

But years of feeling responsible for robbing them of their "choice".... yeah I can see him being eaten up by that. Assuming this is his goal of course. 

Aha time-travel was totally my first guess! Solas needing to go back and change his "great mistake", creating an alternate timeline where the quiz no longer exists. It would certainly explain him not wanting to see the people he meets as "real", since to him, that timeline shouldn't be real. 

But yeah I think there is a general feeling of "ugh, not time travel again". Also I believe there is a codex during the In Hushed Whispers quest - Alexius journal? - which states that time travel is only possible within the time frame of an open breach. Time-magic drawing on the power of the open breach. So, unless Solas has planned super far in advance and opened a breach however many years ago in order to go back there one day.... 


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#50832
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This isn't true, though. Lavellan does speak elven and so do the Dalish regularly, as evidenced in The Stolen Throne where they say that they only speak the common tongue to outsiders and that "most" understand the common tongue (meaning some don't speak it at all!).


Okay, first off: I never read the books. But in the game, Lavellan's Elven is rudimentary. She seems not to understand anything written at the temple. Morrigan and Solas read and translate. She does not say a thing, other than (if chosen) complaining that this is not much what she learns from Morrigan. Seeing that I never questioned Abelas for disregarding her...

#50833
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Or if he would recognize Fen'Harel in this particular guise.... yet, it is curious that Abelas somehow spots that he's different. What gave it away, I wonder? And if something gave it away, why did he not jump to the right conclusion?

 

It could just be a random thing that Solas suddenly garners his respect, buuuut.... that's a shady answer to me.

 

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Zev is one of my favourite DAO companions. So many people dismissed him as shallow, when there's so much more to him. As for Dorian, I didn't expect to like him as much as I did. He surprised me, in a good way; I wasn't interested in him at the beginning, but he won me over over the course of the game.

About Dorian, I was expecting another Cortez from ME3, plain and boring as hell, yet I was pleasantly surprised, so my M!lavellan's romance with Cass was indefinitely postphoned.

 

Now I'm on my Nightmare walkthrough with Knight-Enchanter Lavellan. And have just killed an hour of my life in an attempt to kill Hissing Wastes dragon. On level 14. Out of sick scientific interest. All my party was dead in, like, two minutes, and I was soloing the thing. Almost killed it, but my bad luck caught up with me. Life is pain. I need consolation  :(

 

 

 

Oh! The cosplay couple who were going to cosplay as Lavellan and Solas I showed pages and pages back? Turns out they have a tumblr account and this is their progress so far...

 

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Source: http://aicosu.tumblr...ll-enough-for-a

 

I can't wait for the final result!  :D

OOOh, can't wait! Their cosplay of Bioshock's Lutece twins is one of the best I've seen!

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#50835
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About Dorian, I was expecting another Cortez from ME3, plain and boring as hell, yet I was pleasantly surprised, so my M!lavellan's romance with Cass was indefinitely postphoned.

 

Now I'm on my Nightmare walkthrough with Knight-Enchanter Lavellan. And have just killed an hour of my life in an attempt to kill Hissing Wastes dragon. On level 14. Out of sick scientific interest. All my party was dead in, like, two minutes, and I was soloing the thing. Almost killed it, but my bad luck caught up with me. Life is pain. I need consolation  :(

Here's something cute for you  ^_^

 

I should stop spamming this thread with pics

 

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About Dorian, I was expecting another Cortez from ME3, plain and boring as hell, yet I was pleasantly surprised, so my M!lavellan's romance with Cass was indefinitely postphoned.

 

Now I'm on my Nightmare walkthrough with Knight-Enchanter Lavellan. And have just killed an hour of my life in an attempt to kill Hissing Wastes dragon. On level 14. Out of sick scientific interest. All my party was dead in, like, two minutes, and I was soloing the thing. Almost killed it, but my bad luck caught up with me. Life is pain. I need consolation  :(

 

There, there, it happened to me too, so frustrating! I'm playing on hard this time (not sure I'll ever attempt nightmare, maybe with KE) I soloed my first dragon yesterday, it went rather well. I didn't mean to go solo, but my party died after two minutes lol. KE is so OP, it's like cheating! I enjoy playing more as a rift mage (on normal level though), I like the BOOM and it's more tactical. With KE I just spam the sword thing.

I liked Solas' comment on KE specialization though :wub:



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Oh! The cosplay couple who were going to cosplay as Lavellan and Solas I showed pages and pages back? Turns out they have a tumblr account and this is their progress so far...

 

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Source: http://aicosu.tumblr...ll-enough-for-a

 

I can't wait for the final result! :D

well this person has his body.. face.. well I have doubts but yeah we  will see



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(not sure I'll ever attempt nightmare, maybe with KE)


Do it. Had my first PT on hard, all on nightmare ever since. Not so different, really. And I usually play dagger rogue, once a rift mage. No KE so far.

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well this person has his body.. face.. well I have doubts but yeah we  will see

Don't you know? Solas has a human mesh.

 

top page solas:

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Just commenting to say I have proudly spent the last 3 hours catching up on posts from the last time I read the thread - YESTERDAY, haha!

Also I just finished my third playthrough (dude Lavellan assassin archer romancing Cass on Nightmare mode) and am physically trying to restrain myself from replaying my Lavellan who romanced Solas. Solas' leaving still hurts, even with a friendly Dudevellan.  :crying: 

 

 

I know I'm not top of the page, but I present Solas being his sexy suave BAMFy self...
 

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Also, a question. Does anyone know the music that plays when you're in the Eluvian Crossroads? It's one of my favourite pieces of music in the game and it's not on the soundtrack...


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Also, Solas as Dirthamen is an impossibility: He is the worst liar in the history of Thedas. Seriously, Arl Howe was a better liar than Solas. And that's saying something!

1) Solas speaks and translates ancient elven left and right, but refrains from doing so... sometimes. Because he remembers he's supposed to be an apostate mage and his real face is showing.
2) Solas tried to approach the Dalish and restore them to a true understanding of their past i.e. telling them large portions of the truth but was called a Fool, a Madman and a Liar for... telling the truth. 

3) Solas flat out reveals the origin of the orb as Elven. Heck, even before the orb is revealed he's like "Hey, there was totally a MacGuffin artifact that caused the explosion. We should find it. Cause clearly it wasn't in pieces after the explosion."
4) Solas challenges Morrigan on her assertions about ancient Elven culture and religion multiple times. If he really wanted to hide his nature, why even bother arguing?
5) Solas during and directly after Halamshiral. I literally have nothing else to say because this speaks for itself. Why else do you get a SOLAS SLIGHTLY DISAPPROVES when you catch him in this conversation?
6) Solas frequently spews information about the past simply because... you ask. Seriously, you can say, "Hey Solas - what were the Gods like in the past?" "Not Gods unless you extend the definition to the point of absurdity. They were just really powerful mages, bra."
7) The break up scene. Why did it happen? Because he was going to tell you the truth because he wanted you to know.

Solas is all about knowledge, all about people knowing the truth and with that truth being able to forge their way forward into the world with certainty and wisdom. He's not about obscuring the truth for the sake of secrets and mystery. He's about cutting it wide open because "Wisdom [is] its own reward" and free will.

He just isn't revealing himself to you because of his knowledge and awareness that Fen'Harel is the Dalish Boogeyman. Likewise, he warns the Inquisitor that because the orb is Elven they must be beyond suspicion. He's practically inviting her into a truth party so they can protect the Elves from how the rest of the world sees them. If he had been, "Hey guys, I'm an ancient elf who has been asleep for 1,000 years. But never fear! I gave my super powerful Elven foci to the Big Bad and now the world is splitting at the seams. Want to let me join your party?" - how would that not erupted into the mass murdering of elves for being the reason the world is ending?

EDIT: And 8) The Balcony scene. That's the least subtle "hey this anchor might be influencing your mind, your morals, and your ..." *shifty eyes* "spirit." in the history of mankind. That whole portion of the scene where he is playing Q&A with the inquisitor has him breaking and reconnecting eye contact every 3 seconds.

 

EDIT EDIT: Oh, oh! And 9) "Yes, Elvhen like me." *PURPOSEFUL LOOK* REALLY? Really.

 

Let's not forget

 

Inquisitor: I want to know more about you, Solas.

 

Solas *furtive tone and dubious stare*: Why?

 

Even he expects his cover to blow at any moment,

 

I sure hope my Inquisitor wasn't that dense throughout the story. I truly wanted a chance to corner Solas and pester him with -erm- inquisitive questions, especially after the Temple of Mythal. But we got nothing.

 

In Origins, we could tell apart lies from truths especailly with a high Cunning. Not that I want these options to be available only to rogues, but I would like this to be implemented somehow in future content. For a start, I don't want the Inquisitor to be all shocked and petrified that Solas wasn't *gasp* a hedge mage...

 

A simple "I thought you were an ancient elf, but this..." perhaps, in an eerily serene tone tinged with disappointment. Because I expect a wise romanced Lavellan to be disappointed in him for keeping such a truth from her - for not trusting her with the knowledge - and I expect her to be numb from the discovery to refrain from dramatically wailing in his face. (Dramatic speech can ensue after the shock wears off. >>)


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Don't you know? Solas has a human mesh.

 

top page solas:

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obiviously but I meant the  cosplayer. I am an artist so.. I usually prefer really similar looking.. now It does not mean that cosplay is bad if your face does not look the same but you know what I meant haha :D 


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A simple "I thought you were an ancient elf, but this..." perhaps, in a eerily serene tone tinged with disappointment. Because I expect a wise romanced Lavellan to be disappointed in him for keeping such a truth from her - for not trusting her with the knowledge - and I expect her to be numb from the discovery to refrain from dramatically wailing in his face. (Dramatic speech can ensue after the shock wears off. >>)


This is exactly how I'd like my Lavellan to react, she is incredibly wise.. She wouldn't even wail dramatically later, she would just accept, he'd be rather humbled by it I think.
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This is exactly how I'd like my Lavellan to react, she is incredibly wise.. She wouldn't even wail dramatically later, she would just accept, he'd be rather humbled by it I think.

I'm afraid we'll get something like...

 

> get angry ("You son of a *****, you were lying all this time, am I just a toy for you?!!!11")

> start wailing ("Oh no, you were lying all this time, u dun love meeeee")

> "...So what now?"

 

But I hope for the best  :)



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Here's something cute for you  ^_^

 

I should stop spamming this thread with pics

 

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http://abelass.tumbl...m-going-to-hell

What a cutie! Out of likes, have a  <3 instead

 

There, there, it happened to me too, so frustrating! I'm playing on hard this time (not sure I'll ever attempt nightmare, maybe with KE) I soloed my first dragon yesterday, it went rather well. I didn't mean to go solo, but my party died after two minutes lol. KE is so OP, it's like cheating! I enjoy playing more as a rift mage (on normal level though), I like the BOOM and it's more tactical. With KE I just spam the sword thing.

I liked Solas' comment on KE specialization though :wub:

 

In my current wt he didn't comment on my KE specialisation, due to a bug, I think  :( KE does indeed feel like cheating, and since it's Nightmare and I really detest tactical camera...

SEE!? LOOK. LOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO.

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THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

I'm gonna listen to Some Unholy War by Amy Winehouse on repeat and cry some more.

I like your style, it's so adorably edgy, reminds me of Vampire Hunter D. And I also like your writing style  :wub:


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Oh! The cosplay couple who were going to cosplay as Lavellan and Solas I showed pages and pages back? Turns out they have a tumblr account and this is their progress so far...

 

tumblr_nhwdyzmxYd1qchy96o2_500.jpg

 

Source: http://aicosu.tumblr...ll-enough-for-a

 

I can't wait for the final result! :D

 

If he's dedicated he will shave his head, too...



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@lizasaurus: You can write AND draw? With those powers combined, you can make a comic porn.


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#50849
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If he's dedicated he will shave his head, too...

Nah, just wear one of those bald caps. 

 

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It's lore-friendly.



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I'm afraid we'll get something like...

> get angry ("You son of a *****, you were lying all this time, am I just a toy for you?!!!11")
> start wailing ("Oh no, you were lying all this time, u dun love meeeee")
> "...So what now?"

But I hope for the best :)

Aye, gotta have hope. I'm all about hope these days... It's always one extreme or the other, can I please just smile at him and tell him that it's ok and kiss him like in liz's drawing? That's when he realises what a fool he was for not sharing it and they live HEA the end...I want her to blow his mind with her humility and acceptance...
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