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#50876
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Oh no, I entirely agree with you that the Dalish are admirable for how they're trying to keep their culture alive and intact, despite how incomplete some of it is. It's a noble goal and it's worth preserving, as despite all the flack they get from people like Sera and some of the criticisms that Solas and Abelas give them, they are really the only bastion of that culture in the modern world that's out there.
 
As Lavellan can say to Solas in that first meeting when he comments on this, the Dalish aren't perfect, but they are trying.
 
Similarly, when you can call Abelas out when he comments that by taking the knowledge of the Well, it will be "lost" forever, by pointing out that by hording that knowledge and culture in a crumbling ruin, rather than sharing it with the elves that still exist in the world, it already is lost.
 
What I meant was, the Dalish in some ways are no different from Abelas and the Sentinels, in that they also tightly cling on to the past that is lost and are content to horde their knowledge from their kin, looking down on the "flat-ears" for being little more than Shemlen. They could be doing so much more to help, teach or reach out to the other elves, but they refuse to do so, out of pride and stubborness.
 
To be honest, that moment when Abelas rebuffs Lavellan is actually quite a nice little parallel to that Dalish's own attitude sometimes, as we're now seeing how much it utterly sucks to be on the recieving end of "I'm the true Elf and you're just a pretender".
 
I like to think that Lavellan learnt quite a great deal about the value of tolerance and acceptance of others over the course of the game, evolving from the relatively sheltered individual they were implied to be at the start (judging by some of their comments about how the clan avoided outsiders), to someone who's become rather versed in various peoples and cultures.

I'm still catching up on the posts overnight... this thread is like a part time job, but more fun...

Anyway. I agree about Abelas' comments reflecting how the Dalish treat other elves. It's more clear to me now that I've finished TME. Abelas saying "you are not my people" is basically the interaction Briala had with Clan Virnehn. I think the writers are showing that elven society was just as stratified and subdivided as human society is. There were factions and some of them bitterly hated each other. It'd be like lumping Fereldans together with Orlesians as one people- they would take exception to that.

I don't agree, though, that Lavellan is assumed to be that clannish and xenophobic. You can roleplay her as being fairly open-minded from the start. She can tell Solas that they're one people, and her "ir abelas, hahren" response to his snarky opening when she asks his opinion of elves is a humble, open-minded response. Clan Lavellan is also supposed to be fairly forward-thinking and IMO they wouldn't send a xenophobic or sheltered representative all alone to a huge conclave made up mostly of Chantry folk (that kind of blows my mind). The fact that Lavellan is apparently the only Dalish who shows up is a pretty big statement. Of course, it does give you a character development arc if you rp her as being more of a traditional Dalish mindset from the start.


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#50877
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I think the dalish are more fluent in elvhen than the game shows us but originally they would have had to learn the language from texts, I would expect them to be familiar with working out the written form especially a future Keeper. I would have loved a dalish elf to take over translating from Morrigan when she was pretending to flub. Exploring ruins wont be any clans' first priority because surviving is more important but it's something most dalish would be comfortable with.

I know with four possible race combinations there's only so much BW can do but I wish the game didn't assume human as often as it does.

 

I think the Arlathvhen is used as a peer review event between clans. Even though I kind of doubt it since it last only for two days... What about the University of Orlais? They can hold a larger volume of dalish history if allowed. The Dalish can write books about their history and culture but they could only care so much with them on their err... carts?



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pst

 

how do you kill off Lav's clan exactly? I'd like to know for.. science reasons. 

You let Josephine handle things. That's how you kill them.



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You let Josephine handle things. That's how you kill them.

Really?.. G'dangit JOSIE



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RE: Abelas and Solas: My understanding of that scene is that Abelas starts out thinking Solas is like Lavellan. "Elvhen like you?" sounds derisive to me but Solas's answer makes something click for him because he accepts Solas's answer without further question.

 

RE: Solas and dwarves because I forgot to quote whoever brought it up: I think he struggles with how dwarves ended up where they are. He probably didn't have a whole lot of contact with them before he slept but my impression is that he understood them as something much different than what he finds when he wakes up.

 

Long fanart/comic:

 

Spoiler

 

Source.


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#50881
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pst

 

how do you kill off Lav's clan exactly? I'd like to know for.. science reasons. 

 

the things we do for science

 

http://dragonage3.wi...e.com/War Table

 

(click on the Race missions)



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#50883
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He doesn't disapprove that strongly. He gets kinda huffy and crosses his arms, but he'll concede there's not much harm done and let it go.

 

For what it's worth, I spared the Wardens, which Solas disapproved of far more, and that didn't hurt my standing with him that much either. In fact, I spared the Wardens, prevented him from killing the mages that hurt his friend, and made Cole more human (hypocritical, I know), but I managed to make up those approval points in enough conversations, quest decisions, and elven artifact activations elsewhere that all of them combined did nothing to hurt my standing as his One True Love.

 

EDIT: Also, don't be afraid to stand up to or disagree with your beloved! Couples don't have to agree on everything to be happy and healthy in love! (Heck, come to think of it, I earned disapproval in a lot of quests and conversations. Usually minor "Solas slightly disapproves" when discussing the Dalish or something, but I managed to make it up elsewhere.)

 

Well that sure is a relief! Thanks for your vote of confidence! <3



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PFFFT HAHAHAHA. I appreciate this answer. http://dragonage3.wi...e.com/War TableI refer to this. SUPER helpful.

 

flabbadence

 

Thank you!



#50885
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Fen'Harel rage quitting the Pantheon 

 

That is possibly the best description I've seen for "The Betrayal".

 

He literally took his ball and left.  :lol:


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#50886
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Heya,

 

Just wanting to let you know about that cool Solas mod that just came out.

I love the re-texture of his outfit!

 

175-2-1420801092.jpg

Source : http://www.nexusmods...&preview=&pUp=1

 

Sorry if it's old.



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Really?.. G'dangit JOSIE

 

You can use this to figure out outcomes: http://dragonage3.wi...e.com/War Table

 

There are multiple paths and nearly every one has a 'wrong' adviser to use that will result in the clan being killed.

 

:ph34r:



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Apparently it is insanely easy to get them killed off. I thought I had the right order. I found out that the [baron?] was behind the attacks, I sent a diplomat to negotiate, and then the army. But clan Lavellan went boom.

 

Decided to keep that as my canon though. Although I find it hard to believe my Inquisitor wouldn't have run up there to check on the situation itself, so I'll probably go with the idea that she sent soldiers to protect the camp first, and never learned about the baron who was paying the bandits off. It seemed to fit her character. Sort of like, there's no chance of turning back now. This is the new life, like it or not.

 

That and it was legitimately a surprising to get that final letter of failure when I thought I had done things right. :[ 



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#50890
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Makes me wonder If I did get them killed off? I did a super quick playthrough and saw the Clan being attacked, so I just sent Cullen, not sure what was said after that/never saw anything Operation to do? about a Baron? 



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pst

 

how do you kill off Lav's clan exactly? I'd like to know for.. science reasons. 

 

Very easily, many times over.

 

Lives are lost if you send Cullen on the first mission.

Josephine results in clan scattered and killed in the second.

Josephine gets them all killed in the third.

In the fifth all elves in Wycomb including the clan are killed if you use you guessed it -Josie. 

 

And this is why I don't care about the human war table missions, nothing I do is going to get all her family killed so just send whoever. 


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#50892
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I LOVE the clothing textures, thanks for sharing. I just miss his old face texture!

He seems too gothic vampire pale in this one. I love Solas' original rosy cheeks and nose, the hint in his coloring he MIGHT be a ginger-brunette should he allow his hair to grow. It's adorable. This feels a little too... emperor of the night.

 

The Modder who made that, based It off of Thandruil from The Hobbit. :P



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#50894
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He doesn't disapprove that strongly. He gets kinda huffy and crosses his arms, but he'll concede there's not much harm done and let it go.

 

For what it's worth, I spared the Wardens, which Solas disapproved of far more, and that didn't hurt my standing with him that much either. In fact, I spared the Wardens, prevented him from killing the mages that hurt his friend, and made Cole more human (hypocritical, I know), but I managed to make up those approval points in enough conversations, quest decisions, and elven artifact activations elsewhere that all of them combined did nothing to hurt my standing as his One True Love.

 

EDIT: Also, don't be afraid to stand up to or disagree with your beloved! Couples don't have to agree on everything to be happy and healthy in love! (Heck, come to think of it, I earned disapproval in a lot of quests and conversations. Usually minor "Solas slightly disapproves" when discussing the Dalish or something, but I managed to make it up elsewhere.)

Yes, this.  I may have head-canoned they have a MASSIVE argument after Adamant- mostly because he practically chokes on his disgust with your decision.  I may have written an outline of it...I just needed my Lavellan to have a spine. The fanfictions are so angsty and they are so consumed by eachother in them.  It was for me to flesh her out as a person - that she and he were more than their relationship.  And now...I'm trying to convince myself why this videogame romance hasn't driven me insane.


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#50896
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Oh, you mean.. THE PIE MAKER. <3 

Spoiler

I love Pushing Daisies! Like how it's narrated like a story. I heard they're thinking of rebooting it but I can only doubt.


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I'm sorry. I'm not trying to reject your ideas or hurt your feelings. You've obviously put a lot of thought into these theories, and there's a lot of value in them. It's just:


<snip>

My point is that Solas does not need to be ALSO Falon'Din, Dirthamen, Shartan, or others on top of being Fen'Harel to be more interesting or special. Because Solas is interesting and special just as he is, presented in canon.

Theories are nice, but not needed (specially with such little support from canon =/ ).

 

I understand where you're coming from, honestly.  But it's really odd to talk about whether it's "necessary" to make Solas more than Fen'Harel- as if we (the goofy theory people) have any control over that at all. 

 

Solas is what Gaider made him, and that can't be changed.  He also left a careful trail of breadcrumbs toward that identity for anyone willing to follow to see where it led.  You certainly don't have to take the path now, but if even if you choose not to, the game will push you along eventually, whether you want to go that way or not.  

 

...erk.  That sounds a bit strident, and I don't mean it that way. I just can't think of a gentler way to put it.  Solas is what he is, and the full scope of his identity is accessible using canon gameplay as evidence.  You just have to find the pieces and put them together yourself, or the game will eventually do it for you.



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I think the Arlathvhen is used as a peer review event between clans. Even though I kind of doubt it since it last only for two days... What about the University of Orlais? They can hold a larger volume of dalish history if allowed. The Dalish can write books about their history and culture but they could only care so much with them on their err... carts?

 

Two days? I thought it was a week. All that travelling just to meet up for a weekend what a waste.

 

I can't remember which codex entry it was but in one a hunter states that the clans probably don't meet up more often because of the arguments the Keepers get into. I can well imagine it's like scholars meeting up each trying to have their say and prove their theory right. 


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RE: Abelas and Solas: My understanding of that scene is that Abelas starts out thinking Solas is like Lavellan. "Elvhen like you?" sounds derisive to me but Solas's answer makes something click for him because he accepts Solas's answer without further question.

RE: Solas and dwarves because I forgot to quote whoever brought it up: I think he struggles with how dwarves ended up where they are. He probably didn't have a whole lot of contact with them before he slept but my impression is that he understood them as something much different than what he finds when he wakes up.

Long fanart/comic:

Spoiler


Source.


We could look at it thusly:-

Abelas: Elvhen such as you? (referring to both Solas and Lavellan)
Solas: Yes, Elvhen such as I

*penny drops for Abelas*
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#50900
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Neither  :( Seems it's really isn't in the soundtrack...

The one you want is here:

 

https://www.youtube....AzdsOqy4A#t=150

 

took me a while to find it myself. I am displeased at its omission from the OST.