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[flabbadence]

@ flabbadence

 

Thank you!

 

You're welcome )

[flabbadence]

<snip>

 

Wait, I'll read this again tomorrow, my brain's already pretty fried right now. Goodnight BSN thread!

 

Edit: Aha. I meant Solas thread. Case in point.

Modifié par flabbadence, 09 janvier 2015 - 04:25 .

[DragonRacer in Mourning]

I lucked into saving my clan on my first playthrough for the exact same reasons at pretty much every step. Oh gods I stressed over that last mission sending in the troops. It was a 20 hour mission and I spent  the whole next day at work worried I might have started a war. SUCH a relief when it all worked out allright. 

 

Yes, that last one was incredibly stressful. And the 20 hour wait! I was on pins and needles the whole time and then, when I read Cullen's report, I was sorely missing the ability to somehow have my Lavellan run up and bear hug him with tears in her eyes. "Thank you, Cullen. Thank you."

[LliiraAnna]

Agreed.  That line of Flemeth's all the way back into DA:O has sort of stayed with me through the last 3 games - when Flemeth is warning Morrigan the dangers of the blight and how it will consume her and drops into a more normal and serious tone for the first time - "Yes. Even I." and Morrigan is taken aback.   And Solas is practically un-hinged with the Warden quest. I never talked to him after the ritual tower in the Western Approach, but did this last playthrough.  HE IS FREAKING OUT.  You also get a flirt option.   I don't think he knows EXACTLY what happens if the Wardens carry out their plan, but he knows it's something terrible.

 

EDIT: I hope the Architect comes back - I didn't kill him.  He was such an interesting character.

It's highly likely that without Old Gods to keep them busy and/or to control them, Darkspawn will just... get loose/go berserk, which'll result in a never-ending Blight. Not something anyone'd want to happen. 

[NightSymphony]

Good morning everyone. Have some sexy elf art.

 

http://ruxandralache...raits-505891109

[Sister Squish]

<Epic post of Dragons, Blight, and Fen'Harel motivations> 

 

I believe we have all been dancing around this train of thought, just out of sight, for a while and you have managed to pin it down and clarify it! Thank you! 

Must wait to respond in full, however. Time to sleep. 

[TanisLave]

why BSN let me like more things. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[LliiraAnna]

And I've found another song that fits Solas really well.

 

Cos I can't stay

Chained to my secrets.

No I can't stay.

I'm bound by my regrets.

I can't erase

All of my errors;

Those days are gone forever

 

I can change, I can

Change tomorrow...

 

 

Lyrics: 

 

Spoiler

For the first time in years

There's a light up ahead

It's calling

(It's pulling me closer)

Reborn within

Now I'm shedding my skin

It's falling

(The weight off my shoulders)

 

Cos I can't stay

Chained to my secrets.

No I can't stay.

I'm bound by my regrets.

I can't erase

All of my errors;

Those days are gone forever

 

I can change, I can

Change tomorrow

I can change, I can

Change tomorrow

 

On my knees in the rain

With my head hung in shame

Just crawling, stalling

(All alone in my ways)

Memories I can't erase

Faces I couldn't face

Haunt me

(My life lay to waste)

 

Cause I can't stay

 

Chained to my secrets.

No I can't stay.

I'm bound by my regrets.

I need a break,

It's now or never.

Yesterday's gone forever

 

I can change, I can

Change tomorrow

I can change, I can

Change tomorrow

 

For all the years of emptiness

For all of my mistakes

For all the years I've

Thrown it all away

It's not too late

 

For all the years I've thrown it all away

(Those days are gone forever)

I can change, I can

Change tomorrow

(For all of my mistakes)

I can change,

I can change,

I can change

Before it's too late

 

It's not too late

[soragrey]

I keep thinking and thinking about Solas's and Lavellan's future and I can't help but feel like.. they have no happy ending. I don't see a way for them to be together and happy that would maintain the integrity of the story. PW said that they created the romance so that his story would be sadder. Why would they need do to this? I can't help but think it's because Solas is going to end up doing something that would require sympathy in order for him to be less one-dimensional and to balance him doing something Big and Dramatic, and, I think.. exiled/lost/alone forever. If he was just a regular companion with no romance and we found out he was a god who was planning to release the other Elvhen (or whatever his original plan was -- which now without the orb I think he'll need to use the combined power of himself and Mythal, likely resulting in self-sacrifice in some way), it would definitely not mean as much if we didn't have a more personal connection and didn't see the side of him that had a chance of love, who could love and love deeply (and who's greatest fear is dying alone, foreshadowing much?).

 

I really really want to be wrong, and surprised, but I just don't see how, unless it got REALLY tropey and hallmark-channely (like, he gives up his godhood to do his Big Plan and is now mortal, consequence free, and him and Lav can be happily ever after). I dunno, maybe I'm in a funky mood.

[NeverlandHunter]

Oh, my bad then     The most poplar theory always seemed to me that she was the formless one. 
 
I still think they're probably hiding crucial information, though, even if my example was so terrible  

Haha, you're fine!
They definitely are keeping crucial information! They're supposed to,it keeps us interested
The biggest thing to remember as fans of Dragon Age is that it is part of the gaming industry. It can, and will, change due to buyer preferences. Unlike book authors the writers for these games have to work with a whole lot of other people. They can get their ideas rejected or certain events (like the players not liking something) can cause them to have to backtrack or push aside certain ideas they had. If the company is lacking the resources the writers may never be able to put out everything they want or they might have to add it in the form of books or comics. The storytelling from a game won't work the same way it does for books, or even television, now whether that's a good or bad thing is something else

[nranola]

Apparently it is insanely easy to get them killed off. I thought I had the right order. I found out that the [baron?] was behind the attacks, I sent a diplomat to negotiate, and then the army. But clan Lavellan went boom.

 

Decided to keep that as my canon though. Although I find it hard to believe my Inquisitor wouldn't have run up there to check on the situation itself, so I'll probably go with the idea that she sent soldiers to protect the camp first, and never learned about the baron who was paying the bandits off. It seemed to fit her character. Sort of like, there's no chance of turning back now. This is the new life, like it or not.

 

That and it was legitimately a surprising to get that final letter of failure when I thought I had done things right. :[ 

 

Agh... I commend you for being able to go through with that. I got the clan killed when I sent Cullen to expose the red lyrium... thinger... something... see, I erased it from my brain so hard that I have trouble remembering it. :P Anyway, the city ended up bloodied in the streets, and the perpetrators targeted the clan next. I had to take a few minutes when I read the report.

 

I tend to go with what comes naturally in the game myself, but that was one of the very few decisions where I deliberately went back and changed the outcome. It broke my heart utterly. The clan was everything to Eisyrill, and to have her lose that - and then finding out later that Solas leaves without so much as an explanation? I couldn't bear it...

[Mims]

 

EDIT: I hope the Architect comes back - I didn't kill him.  He was such an interesting character.

 

I am really hoping he is still alive! Considering it is more or less confirmed that he was a magister like Corypheus, there's a good chance that even if you killed him he was able to body hop. 

 

I loved the concept of intelligent darkspawn. The Architect is by no means a good fellow, but he might be one of our best sources for actually figuring out how to stop the blight. He was a chill guy. I'd have him over for tea. 

[CapricornSun]

Some Solas artworks.

 

 

Source: http://lion-of-the-d...nnnn-working-on

 

 

And colored versions of the dreadlocks one.

 

 

Source: http://lion-of-the-d...ease-covered-in

[Aetheria]

Spoiler

I went off on a bit of theorycrafting yesterday on reddit after listening to sashimi_taco’s cleaned up audio from the Well of Sorrow and have more ideas on everything.

So, what I mostly heard in the hidden audio was:

"Mythal speaks the calling. The call speaks from the blood. …Bound to the same, travel far. … She speaks the truth. She saw the lost. Go to the Warden.”

I think that Mythal was infected and killed by the Blight.

During the time she was infected, she asked her friend Fen’Harel to lock away all the Gods as a quarantine measure. Maybe she asked this of him as a trusted friend, or because he was the most trusted on both sides of the pantheon. Did she finally succumb to the Blight while plotting these measures with Fen’Harel, and thus the belief that he was responsible for her death? Or, perhaps Mythal even asked him for a mercy kill because she could no longer control the corruption. (Recalling the scene with Ser Wesley, Flemeth at least knows this is one way to deal with the corruption).

It’s starting to make sense to me that the other gods may also have been infected and locking them away in uthenera was the only way to slow the effects of the corruption. Which leads me to believe that the Elven Gods are the Old Gods. The corruption in their blood is calling to the darkspawn from uthenera to set them free.

[edit: ALSO, Thinking on how Flemeth saves the Warden in DAO and pushes Morrigan to join them (armed with the knowledge of the Dark Ritual which will preserve the Old God soul). Wardens are considered the experts in Thedas on darkspawn and the Calling. Flemeth needs the Wardens as a means to help her cure the Gods, and as a means to prevent the death of another one]

The elven artifacts you activate for Solas are actually locks to the prison where the Gods sleep. In the Lost Temple of Dirthamen, one of these same artifacts is already activated when you arrive but then when you deactivate it, The Highest One is released. The Highest One had wanted to lock away his followers in a prison but they turned the tables on him instead. When you open the lock to his prison, he is set free. A prison strong enough to lock away Gods would need to have many locks.

So for all of this, Solas doesn’t want the Gods to be freed, at least not just yet. He needs to help them by finding a cure to their corruption. We still don’t know who created the corruption, but my first guess is The Maker. Could it be that simple? “The Maker of the Blight”. The first action of a victor would be to erase any signs of your predecessor(s); make it heresy and treason to worship those old gods.

Whatever the case, I believe it’s all going to come back around to the Blight.

 

Ooh. I like this. Nice catch with the Highest One and the artifact!

 

Referring to "the Warden" makes sense since the HoF is supposedly looking for a way to prevent the Calling... and I suppose if they're dead some other Warden(s) could take their place for plot purposes anyway.

 

I'm not sure they would bring the actual Maker into it, though... it seems like revealing who/what the Maker actually is would burn too many story bridges if they're planning multiple future games.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I loved the concept of intelligent darkspawn. The Architect is by no means a good fellow, but he might be one of our best sources for actually figuring out how to stop the blight. He was a chill guy. I'd have him over for tea. 

 

I know it will never happen, but I want a party of Warden-Commander, whomever survives Adamant, Morrigan, and the Architect on an epic Blight-ending field trip.

[TanisLave]

Some Solas artworks.

 

 

Source: http://lion-of-the-d...nnnn-working-on

 

 

And colored versions of the dreadlocks one.

 

 

Source: http://lion-of-the-d...ease-covered-in

 

Ee! She finished it! 

[Oswin]

I lucked into saving my clan on my first playthrough for the exact same reasons at pretty much every step. Oh gods I stressed over that last mission sending in the troops. It was a 20 hour mission and I spent  the whole next day at work worried I might have started a war. SUCH a relief when it all worked out allright. 

 

I have a habit of picking Leliana for everything, which worked in my favour for the clan. I can't remember who I picked for the third part, but I definitely picked Cullen for the last one. But yeah, how long that mission takes did not help. I sent him off before I went to sleep and he still wasn't done by the time I was next on. So I was wandering around doing fetch quests until it popped. Clan survived and worked out well for my headcannon. Whoop!

 

Decided to push on with finishing my nightmare run with male Lavellan. Just done the chat with Flemeth. Damn.

I last did this with a human noble and you just don't get the same emotion from that scene, you really don't. I cannot believe it was originally planned for a human only protagonist. I read in another thread about things cut from the alpha where people were saying they'd rather they'd kept the human in favour of not cutting some of the stuff shown in the alpha. But I er, I am happy to have lost things from the gameplay for the chance to be an elf. 

I freaking love the Flemeth scene, but played as an elf? Off the scale amounts of love.

 

"So young and vibrant. You do the people proud, and have come far."

 

"One day someone will summarize the terrible events of your life so quickly" (love this response when you pick the 'I know who Flemeth is' perk option)

 

Also, I don't remember getting rage Flemeth with my human. I'm not sure if that's because it's tied to the 'the elves needed you' response or not.

 

"Why did Mythal come to you?"

"For a Reckoning that will shake the very heavens"

 

I love it though. DRAGON AGE 4: THE RECKONING.

 

"Alas, so long as the music plays. We dance."

 

Every time I go on this game I walk away with more questions. Take my money Bioware, bring my game of Elven Glory. I want to know this music, this revenge, these gods. GIVE ME MY ANSWERS.

 

I do enjoy my Lavellan's confused face. He's just standing their the whole time like 'What have I been smoking? I don't get paid enough for this BS.'

 

Also, why is everyone wet in the Fade? Or are they not actually wet and just shiny? Because they look to me like they've been out in the rain.

[Rabbitonfire]

I am really hoping he is still alive! Considering it is more or less confirmed that he was a magister like Corypheus, there's a good chance that even if you killed him he was able to body hop. 

 

I loved the concept of intelligent darkspawn. The Architect is by no means a good fellow, but he might be one of our best sources for actually figuring out how to stop the blight. He was a chill guy. I'd have him over for tea. 

Not without poisoning the water supply with blight!

[madrar]

Hee.  So, I'm looking through the game's  talktable files looking for a quote I only vaguely remember, and come across these:

 

 

00034AC0: The Veil is blah blah, whatever, here.

 

0000034B1B: The Veil is puking ruffles here.

 

034B02: The Veil, she be salty here.

 

00034B52: The Veil has grit in its breeches here.

 

00034C0D: The Veil is bored of trees here, if it has any sense.

 

00034C54: Hmm. The Veil is fat here. 

 

00034C8B: Hmm, the Veil is limp here.

 

The ruffles one is killing me. Gotta be Orlais.

[k_drake]

I keep thinking and thinking about Solas's and Lavellan's future and I can't help but feel like.. they have no happy ending. I don't see a way for them to be together and happy that would maintain the integrity of the story. PW said that they created the romance so that his story would be sadder. Why would they need do to this? I can't help but think it's because Solas is going to end up doing something that would require sympathy in order for him to be less one-dimensional and to balance him doing something Big and Dramatic, and, I think.. exiled/lost/alone forever. If he was just a regular companion with no romance and we found out he was a god who was planning to release the other Elvhen (or whatever his original plan was -- which now without the orb I think he'll need to use the combined power of himself and Mythal, likely resulting in self-sacrifice in some way), it would definitely not mean as much if we didn't have a more personal connection and didn't see the side of him that had a chance of love, who could love and love deeply (and who's greatest fear is dying alone, foreshadowing much?).

 

I really really want to be wrong, and surprised, but I just don't see how, unless it got REALLY tropey and hallmark-channely (like, he gives up his godhood to do his Big Plan and is now mortal, consequence free, and him and Lav can be happily ever after). I dunno, maybe I'm in a funky mood.

I agree with this prediction; the fact that the romance is sort of niche seems to support this interpretation of events, the implication being that the romance adds depth to the character, but is not a crucial plot point.

That said, either way all we can really do at this point is "hurry up and wait."  

[chibielf]

We could look at it thusly:-
Abelas: Elvhen such as you? (referring to both Solas and Lavellan)
Solas: Yes, Elvhen such as I
*penny drops for Abelas*

I think he is only referring to Solas here. He refers Lavellan as Shemlan. Because they are mortal.
But he uses "Elvhen" when speaking to Solas.

Btw, I think Solas' people, that he wishes to save are the Elvhen immortal elves that are awaken or labour to awaken. Like Abelas. "You're people yet linger" is about the immortal elves waken from Unthera not the mortal elves.

We could see Solas' actions to rebuild the empire for them. His people.

Theories n stuff.

[TanisLave]

 

Hee.  So, I'm looking through the game's  talktable files looking for a quote I only vaguely remember, and come across these:

 

 

00034AC0: The Veil is blah blah, whatever, here.

 

0000034B1B: The Veil is puking ruffles here.

 

034B02: The Veil, she be salty here.

 

00034B52: The Veil has grit in its breeches here.

 

00034C0D: The Veil is bored of trees here, if it has any sense.

 

00034C54: Hmm. The Veil is fat here. 

 

00034C8B: Hmm, the Veil is limp here.

 

 

???

What does that even mean.

[BoscoBread]

I keep thinking and thinking about Solas's and Lavellan's future and I can't help but feel like.. they have no happy ending. I don't see a way for them to be together and happy that would maintain the integrity of the story. PW said that they created the romance so that his story would be sadder. Why would they need do to this? I can't help but think it's because Solas is going to end up doing something that would require sympathy in order for him to be less one-dimensional and to balance him doing something Big and Dramatic, and, I think.. exiled/lost/alone forever. If he was just a regular companion with no romance and we found out he was a god who was planning to release the other Elvhen (or whatever his original plan was -- which now without the orb I think he'll need to use the combined power of himself and Mythal, likely resulting in self-sacrifice in some way), it would definitely not mean as much if we didn't have a more personal connection and didn't see the side of him that had a chance of love, who could love and love deeply (and who's greatest fear is dying alone, foreshadowing much?).

 

I really really want to be wrong, and surprised, but I just don't see how, unless it got REALLY tropey and hallmark-channely (like, he gives up his godhood to do his Big Plan and is now mortal, consequence free, and him and Lav can be happily ever after). I dunno, maybe I'm in a funky mood.

I took it as PW wanted the romance to underscore the tragedy that is Solas in DA:I  - meaning what we already know in game. He can't give us any hints about the future. They have been SO tightlipped about DLC and what's to come I don't think he was talking about the future of the romance. They may have several ideas of where they want it to go. So it may be tragic and given the way these kinds of stories are usually written - you may be right.  However, there is also a good chance he gets his happy ending.  He's been more than setup as sympathetic and I think could have a strong and powerful redemption arc.

 

What I mean to say is that the romance makes HIS story(as we know it know) sadder. The reason being is that he is so frightened of being alone and finally finds not just love, but companionship. He makes friends.  Finally in the first time in thousands of years he can be actually happy.  But - as you know - he turns that away because he feels so strongly about fixing his past mistake.