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[madrar]

???

What does that even mean.

 

It means the QA people were very, very bored.  ^w^

 

 

Also:

 

00031B66: Did Morrigan do the Dark Ritual in DAO?

00031B67: Yes, Morrigan has a baby.

00031B6A: No, Morrigan ain't no baby mama.

[Mims]

 

I really really want to be wrong, and surprised, but I just don't see how, unless it got REALLY tropey and hallmark-channely (like, he gives up his godhood to do his Big Plan and is now mortal, consequence free, and him and Lav can be happily ever after). I dunno, maybe I'm in a funky mood.

 

There are always opportunities for happy endings! I am open to tragic ones too. But I don't think either side is more compelling than the other in terms of narrative. Speaking just on ways that this can end favorably, here are the two I consider to be the most likely: 

 

- Solas screws up again, but is spared by the Inquisitor through their choices. Solas's main problem is that he tends to only consult himself in making these earth shattering decisions. Working with a mortal [one with significant command over his own abilities] could be the check-balance that Solas needs to not constantly spin out of control. It could be that the Inquisitor and him agree to work together to fix whatever problem he has been chasing. Or provides him with some other task to make up for the task he failed in.

 

[ Other variant: since we know Morrigan is likely getting Mythal's godhood, she could potentially fulfill the same role. Just like a thousand times more bickering. ] 

 

- Solas is not completely Fen'Harel, and could be separated. This isn't my favorite outcome, but it is definitely a viable alternative if they wanted to give people a happy ending but also preserve whatever it was they want Fen'Harel to do in the future. 

[drake2511]

Do it. Had my first PT on hard, all on nightmare ever since. Not so different, really. And I usually play dagger rogue, once a rift mage. No KE so far.

I might give it a go in the future with another Lavellan after I finish this playthrough I want (no I don't, I HAVE to. For my sanity) to play as a human and chase after Cullen. For real, this time >< Solas, stop ruining all my humans!

What a cutie! Out of likes, have a instead


In my current wt he didn't comment on my KE specialisation, due to a bug, I think KE does indeed feel like cheating, and since it's Nightmare and I really detest tactical camera...
I like your style, it's so adorably edgy, reminds me of Vampire Hunter D. And I also like your writing style

He asked me if I thought ancient elves would be happy to know something they invented was being carried out by the chantry, my Lavellan replied they would be proud of her. He agreed and said they would like to know something important survived to this age, and slightly approved.

He was happy! Can't post a video, I'm on my phone.

[hellozombie]

I keep thinking and thinking about Solas's and Lavellan's future and I can't help but feel like.. they have no happy ending. I don't see a way for them to be together and happy that would maintain the integrity of the story. PW said that they created the romance so that his story would be sadder. Why would they need do to this? I can't help but think it's because Solas is going to end up doing something that would require sympathy in order for him to be less one-dimensional and to balance him doing something Big and Dramatic, and, I think.. exiled/lost/alone forever. If he was just a regular companion with no romance and we found out he was a god who was planning to release the other Elvhen (or whatever his original plan was -- which now without the orb I think he'll need to use the combined power of himself and Mythal, likely resulting in self-sacrifice in some way), it would definitely not mean as much if we didn't have a more personal connection and didn't see the side of him that had a chance of love, who could love and love deeply (and who's greatest fear is dying alone, foreshadowing much?).

 

I really really want to be wrong, and surprised, but I just don't see how, unless it got REALLY tropey and hallmark-channely (like, he gives up his godhood to do his Big Plan and is now mortal, consequence free, and him and Lav can be happily ever after). I dunno, maybe I'm in a funky mood.

 

ALL ABOARD THE TEAM OPTIMISM DREADNOUGHT HOOOOORAH

 

I will never believe that a happy ending = tropey and Hallmark channelly. Happy endings have been done well numerous times in all sorts of media...and I say that happy endings are most successful when the journey to achieve them is difficult. I believe that Weekes/Bioware wanted to make the romance in the main game sadder (because the rest of the game is basically you just winning all the time) but only because the achievement of that happy ending will feel all the more fulfilling if we have to really work to get it. Lavellan's trials and tribulations are far from over, but I believe that she'll meet them head on...she may suffer some more on the way, but that will make her achievement of that happy ending all the more sweet. Why is Cullen's romance so sweet and enjoyable but ultimately bland? (imo) It is because you don't really have to work that hard to get it. It's not as memorable.

 

Keep in mind that tragedy just for tragedy's sake is also tropey and Hallmark chanelly. It's just as bland and boring to continue to pile on the misery on one character over and over again. No surprises, and no excitement. What I'm really hoping for is for some tragedy to get piled on the other romances in the game, to add more dimension and make those romances more memorable....and for some happiness to get piled on the Solasmance for the same reasons. 

 

PSA: These are my feelings and I'm not saying anyone is wrong for being on Team Pessimism. But I swear you guys, it's way more fun on the Team Optimism Dreadnought ALL ABOOOOOOOOARD THE EGGSHIP *makes boat horn noises*

[Ajna]

Can we get some effing Team Optimism up in here guys?!

Edit: zombie I ****ing love you.

[LliiraAnna]

???

What does that even mean.

"The Veil is bored of trees here, if it has any sense." - I remember Sera saying this in the Emerald Graves. Must be her remarks on the Veil.

[Prince of Keys]

 

Hee.  So, I'm looking through the game's  talktable files looking for a quote I only vaguely remember, and come across these:

 

 

00034AC0: The Veil is blah blah, whatever, here.

 

0000034B1B: The Veil is puking ruffles here.

 

034B02: The Veil, she be salty here.

 

00034B52: The Veil has grit in its breeches here.

 

00034C0D: The Veil is bored of trees here, if it has any sense.

 

00034C54: Hmm. The Veil is fat here. 

 

00034C8B: Hmm, the Veil is limp here.

 

The ruffles one is killing me. Gotta be Orlais.

 

 

It's probably Sera's random comments about the Veil. I know I've heard her say that the Veil is "fat" before.

[TanisLave]

"The Veil is bored of trees here, if it has any sense." - I remember Sera said that in the Emerald Graves. It must be her remarks on the Veil.

 

Was about to say, Did Sera write that

[Lady Luminous]

I agree with this prediction; the fact that the romance is sort of niche seems to support this interpretation of events, the implication being that the romance adds depth to the character, but is not a crucial plot point.

That said, either way all we can really do at this point is "hurry up and wait."

 

As Sera likes to say: Ready for waiting, yeah?

[madrar]

Can we get some effing Team Optimism up in here guys?!

Edit: zombie I ****ing love you.

 

Everything's going to be fine!   Solas is heading to the Void to break out his old pals, the Forgotten Ones.  Unfortunately since his space-time bubble didn't slow time enough, Andruil managed to toast the City a long time ago and Elgar'nan is ash, so nobody has any idea how the Sun's essential blight can be reversed, and an incredibly blighted, incredibly old, incredibly pissed Dragon-God is going to wake up and burn the world.

 

...except for Lavellan and Solas.  Because I'm staying optimistic.  @w@

[madrar]

Was about to say, Did Sera write that

 

The worst part of going through these texts is that by random happenstance these are the last two lines of every single file:

 

000449AF: Re-enable Solas

000449B0: I want Solas back.

 

You and me both, anonymous QA guy.   You and me both.

[LliiraAnna]

And we WILL get him back. Stay optimistic, guys. 

[Mims]

I know it will never happen, but I want a party of Warden-Commander, whomever survives Adamant, Morrigan, and the Architect on an epic Blight-ending field trip.

 

Yess. I want this. I want all the morally grey heroes [or just accident prone ones like Hawke] to converge upon the same conflict and try to figure out how to not screw everything up for everyone. 

 

[And if you don't have Hawke/Stroud/Loghain: Alistair, who gets to be the odd man out wondering what the hell is going on.]

[scintilla]

I will never believe that a happy ending = tropey and Hallmark channelly. 

 

Keep in mind that tragedy just for tragedy's sake is also tropey and Hallmark chanelly. It's just as bland and boring to continue to pile on the misery on one character over and over again. No surprises, and no excitement. What I'm really hoping for is for some tragedy to get piled on the other romances in the game, to add more dimension and make those romances more memorable....and for some happiness to get piled on the Solasmance for the same reasons. 

 

Just want to agree with this sentiment. Happy endings aren't cliche by default. Tragic endings don't have more literary value by default. They can both be well done or poorly done and that's what should be looked at. I'm actually getting really tired of the idea that dark or tragic translates directly to "more intelligent and subversive." It's been old as long as its been around.

[Arlee]

He asked me if I thought ancient elves would be happy to know something they invented was being carried out by the chantry, my Lavellan replied they would be proud of her. He agreed and said they would like to know something important survived to this age, and slightly approved.

 

I got that convo on my human mage and I have been waiting for it to pop because I am curious if it's different for an elf... but it hasn't happened and every time I go to check and it doesn't I'm all like

[Oswin]

The like button just vanished from several posts in this thread for a moment there. I thought the forum was having some kind of intervention with me and liking too many posts in this thread D:

 

Just went to chat with Morrigan, and I either didn't do this before or I forgot. But I like it when they start theorising that Mythal gave Cory the orb 

"It is Elven, and he had to get it from somewhere"

 

Come on Lavellan. It's taken you 90 hours to start asking that question? 

It's a bit like when they get to Skyhold and everyone is all just 'Gee whizz, it's sure good that Solas happens to know about this place. He sure has an astounding amount of knowledge on all things ancient and elven for a small town boy. I guess the Fade teaches him a lot'

 

I think I'm starting to want the Solas DLC more as a chance for my inquisitor to redeem themselves. Forget rekindling friendships and romances, I want my inquisitor to finally realise that Solas is the most suspicious character in the damn game 

[BoscoBread]

I am really hoping he is still alive! Considering it is more or less confirmed that he was a magister like Corypheus, there's a good chance that even if you killed him he was able to body hop. 

 

I loved the concept of intelligent darkspawn. The Architect is by no means a good fellow, but he might be one of our best sources for actually figuring out how to stop the blight. He was a chill guy. I'd have him over for tea. 

I also headcanon that he and my warden and he are on adventures together. Not really like buddy buddy adventures but almost akin to how Buffy/Spike would team up before he actually became good. I imagine he's trying to help her figure out the Calling because it's tied into what he's trying to understand about the nature of the darkspawn. 

 

He was super chill.  I liked his hat/mask thing. I also clearly do not want to work today.

[Arlee]

Just want to agree with this sentiment. Happy endings aren't cliche by default. Tragic endings don't have more literary value by default. They can both be well done or poorly done and that's what should be looked at. I'm actually getting really tired of the idea that dark or tagic translates directly to "more intelligent and subversive." It's been old as long as its been around.

 

I am starting to feel like dark and tragic endings are getting to be a bit over done. To the point where most of the time my reaction is "meh" instead of being upset. I was actually honestly surprised when I got to the end with the Cullen romance and it was happy, I hadn't been expecting that at all.

[drake2511]

I went off on a bit of theorycrafting yesterday on reddit after listening to sashimi_taco’s cleaned up audio from the Well of Sorrow and have more ideas on everything.

So, what I mostly heard in the hidden audio was:

"Mythal speaks the calling. The call speaks from the blood. …Bound to the same, travel far. … She speaks the truth. She saw the lost. Go to the Warden.”

I think that Mythal was infected and killed by the Blight.

During the time she was infected, she asked her friend Fen’Harel to lock away all the Gods as a quarantine measure. Maybe she asked this of him as a trusted friend, or because he was the most trusted on both sides of the pantheon. Did she finally succumb to the Blight while plotting these measures with Fen’Harel, and thus the belief that he was responsible for her death? Or, perhaps Mythal even asked him for a mercy kill because she could no longer control the corruption. (Recalling the scene with Ser Wesley, Flemeth at least knows this is one way to deal with the corruption).

It’s starting to make sense to me that the other gods may also have been infected and locking them away in uthenera was the only way to slow the effects of the corruption. Which leads me to believe that the Elven Gods are the Old Gods. The corruption in their blood is calling to the darkspawn from uthenera to set them free.

[edit: ALSO, Thinking on how Flemeth saves the Warden in DAO and pushes Morrigan to join them (armed with the knowledge of the Dark Ritual which will preserve the Old God soul). Wardens are considered the experts in Thedas on darkspawn and the Calling. Flemeth needs the Wardens as a means to help her cure the Gods, and as a means to prevent the death of another one]

The elven artifacts you activate for Solas are actually locks to the prison where the Gods sleep. In the Lost Temple of Dirthamen, one of these same artifacts is already activated when you arrive but then when you deactivate it, The Highest One is released. The Highest One had wanted to lock away his followers in a prison but they turned the tables on him instead. When you open the lock to his prison, he is set free. A prison strong enough to lock away Gods would need to have many locks.

So for all of this, Solas doesn’t want the Gods to be freed, at least not just yet. He needs to help them by finding a cure to their corruption. We still don’t know who created the corruption, but my first guess is The Maker. Could it be that simple? “The Maker of the Blight”. The first action of a victor would be to erase any signs of your predecessor(s); make it heresy and treason to worship those old gods.

Whatever the case, I believe it’s all going to come back around to the Blight.

I am in love with this theory. It would make Solas a nice guy who's trying so hard to save the world but is feeling guilty as **** for "harming" his friends.

It doesn't explain the betrayal though. Why both Flemeth and Solas say they have been betrayed by someone close (but I'm still a few pages back, maybe I should catch up before replying )

[soragrey]

Just want to agree with this sentiment. Happy endings aren't cliche by default. Tragic endings don't have more literary value by default. They can both be well done or poorly done and that's what should be looked at. I'm actually getting really tired of the idea that dark or tragic translates directly to "more intelligent and subversive." It's been old as long as its been around.

 

I didn't mean that all happy endings are cliche. I meant, to me, for this particular story, character and relationship arc, I felt like it would be.

 

But, I am not trying to dissuade anyone from trying to be optimistic. Go for it! And I truly hope I am wrong. I would love my Lavellan and Solas to be happy together.

[Andir]

Eh, I disagree with the tragic endings being overdone. Every romance so far in DA has drama, some much more drama than others, some heartbreaks in there as well, but ultimately every single one so far has a chance for a "happy ending". At least where you can end up together. I think, personally, it would be really interesting to finally have a character that you couldn't. Not an end that lacks choices, just one where that that choice isn't possible. But I'd still want closure. Like Mordin. (even though you can save Mordin, I mean the other path..just an example? xD) It's hurts, but it leaves you satisfied. A good hurt. That's my personal hope, even though I know a lot disagree. (I rarely speak up about this because I'm rooting for you guys, but personally I'd love this type of ending. I just hate it being brushed under "overdone" when it hasn't really happened yet. Makes me sad. )

[Mims]

I am in love with this theory. It would make Solas a nice guy who's trying so hard to save the world but is feeling guilty as **** for "harming" his friends.

It doesn't explain the betrayal though. Why both Flemeth and Solas say they have been betrayed by someone close (but I'm still a few pages back, maybe I should catch up before replying )

 

I imagine in the scenario that 'the gods got corrupted by the blight', the betrayal would probably have been either Andruil bringing the blight back to the Arlathan, or the elven gods trying to harness the power of red lyrium for their own ends. Mythal did try to contain it, but its possible that the leak slipped. If we want to include Dirthamen- perhaps he recovered the secret from Andruil, who then passed it to Falon'Din, who then passed it to Elgar'nan. Perhaps then he deliberately caused Mythal to have become corrupted.

 

Speculation, of course. But it also would explain the guilt Solas might have, since none of their actions would have actually been of their own doing. Just this continued drug like high of the blight. 

 

One theory I had was that Fen'Harel could have been something like the token evil teammate of the pantheon. Just sort of aloof and along for the ride. He occasionally went into the void to chill with the forgotten ones from time to time, but never had any adverse effects. They considered him one of them, after all. Perhaps one day he goads Andruil into hunting into the void, thinking it'd stir up trouble. But that inadvertently sets off a chain of events that causes Andruil to bring back the blighted lyrium, and ruins everything for everyone.

[Ajna]

*leaves thread*

[Sylvanfeather]

Ooh. I like this. Nice catch with the Highest One and the artifact!

 

Referring to "the Warden" makes sense since the HoF is supposedly looking for a way to prevent the Calling... and I suppose if they're dead some other Warden(s) could take their place for plot purposes anyway.

 

I'm not sure they would bring the actual Maker into it, though... it seems like revealing who/what the Maker actually is would burn too many story bridges if they're planning multiple future games.

 

I don't know if they would actually bring the Maker into it. It may be enough to say that the Old Gods\Elven Gods say the Maker designed the Blight to end their reign. The Chantry is still allowed to deny any such claim as heresy. The certainty of who made the Bight could always be left for the people to decide who they put their faith in.  

 

I am in love with this theory. It would make Solas a nice guy who's trying so hard to save the world but is feeling guilty as **** for "harming" his friends.

It doesn't explain the betrayal though. Why both Flemeth and Solas say they have been betrayed by someone close (but I'm still a few pages back, maybe I should catch up before replying )

 

Well, the betrayal would be done by whoever first infected Mythal with the corruption. Which, if I'm still throwing my crazy ideas out there... Could it possible that the Maker was actually a member of the pantheon? (Elgar'nan, did he want the world all to himself? No wait that really is just crazy talk.. )

 

It could have been a member of the pantheon working with whoever created the Blight. Promised a reward for getting rid of the rest of the pantheon, such keeping their own little corner of the empire. Then maybe Mythal only still trusted Fen'Harel and tasked him with locking everyone away.

[TanisLave]

PS, I'm sort of elven lore dumb.

 

What is The Void? And the whole Legend behind Andruil hunting there?