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[R2s Muse]

Wow, this just turned up in the Cullen thread: 
 

 
*dies*

...without attribution...

[Lady Luminous]

It's actually my issue with Pride and Prejudice! Too many things tied too neatly in a bow. Persuasion is a significantly better novel with one of the most exquisite balances of bitter and sweet I've ever read. Yes, the lovers are reconciled. But that's not without the heroine losing ten years of her youth because she allowed the opinions of those she trusted to overshadow her judgement. She has to suffer a decade of regret, self-deprecation, and emotional marginalization at the hands of her own family so she can develop the strength to voice her own desires for her future.

 

Yes, thank you! I like realistic happy endings. Not everything wrapped up perfectly. 

[Arlee]

What a time for me to run out of likes. 

 

Why?! Why is this even a thing?! xD And why is it in the Cullen thread? lol 

We actually often talk about Solas and his romance and theories about what everything is there as well. Like I said the other day, there's a lot of overlap between the two threads

[R2s Muse]

SO, I actually just came to share, but it looks like someone beat me to it. You're welcome, Solas thread.

This is what happens when I wonder if they're going to "Cullenize" the Solas romance.
 

LOL I wonder if they'll Cullenize the Solas romance now that it's so popular. LOL



sorrynotsorry

omg... ok actually I am sorry... can't breathe.. laughing too hard...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Why?! Why is this even a thing?! xD And why is it in the Cullen thread? lol 

 

Because even the Cullen thread talks about Solas 

 

...without attribution...

 

Oops!  So sorry!  Gah, this is what I get for rushing a post 

[Roxy]

 

ALL ABOARD THE TEAM OPTIMISM DREADNOUGHT HOOOOORAH

 

I will never believe that a happy ending = tropey and Hallmark channelly. Happy endings have been done well numerous times in all sorts of media...and I say that happy endings are most successful when the journey to achieve them is difficult. I believe that Weekes/Bioware wanted to make the romance in the main game sadder (because the rest of the game is basically you just winning all the time) but only because the achievement of that happy ending will feel all the more fulfilling if we have to really work to get it. Lavellan's trials and tribulations are far from over, but I believe that she'll meet them head on...she may suffer some more on the way, but that will make her achievement of that happy ending all the more sweet. Why is Cullen's romance so sweet and enjoyable but ultimately bland? (imo) It is because you don't really have to work that hard to get it. It's not as memorable.

 

Keep in mind that tragedy just for tragedy's sake is also tropey and Hallmark chanelly. It's just as bland and boring to continue to pile on the misery on one character over and over again. No surprises, and no excitement. What I'm really hoping for is for some tragedy to get piled on the other romances in the game, to add more dimension and make those romances more memorable....and for some happiness to get piled on the Solasmance for the same reasons. 

 

PSA: These are my feelings and I'm not saying anyone is wrong for being on Team Pessimism. But I swear you guys, it's way more fun on the Team Optimism Dreadnought ALL ABOOOOOOOOARD THE EGGSHIP *makes boat horn noises*

 

 

Can we get some effing Team Optimism up in here guys?!

Edit: zombie I ****ing love you.

 

 

And we WILL get him back. Stay optimistic, guys. 

 

 

Yep totally agree with ya'll. I sometimes cringe when I come in here and there's nothing but doom and gloom.... pessimism bleh. I'm on the Egg ship with all you lovely optimistic people cause I'm optimistic too.  

 

 

HAPPY ENDING FOR LAVELLAN AND SOLAS FTW!!! 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[scintilla]

What if it's like Mordin in mass effect 3? To do a greater good, you have to allow him to die. If you want to keep him alive, there are unfavorable consequences. 

 

Keeping Mordin alive isn't necessarily that unfavorable. If Wreav leads the krogan and Eve is dead, curing the genophage may just be the worst idea ever. Convincing him not to do it may be the greater good.

[HurricaneGinger]

Stay optimistic, y'all! Even those that are cautiously optimistic, or even expecting the worst - LOVE YOU!!!

 

 

I always saw Blackwall's story as a kind of smaller scale version of Solas', with various differences of course. I do like Blackwall though. I found him to be an interesting character (he and Cass were my tanks and I interchange them from time to time), and I love his banters but I understand why that he's not everyone's cup of tea.

 

As for the romance, I saw how the romance went when I was staying over at my sister's place (she romanced Blackwall) and I must admit, I actually got a bit heartbroken. Not the same type of heartbreak like the Solas romance of course (Solas's romance destroyed me *cries*) but it did make me feel things.

 

Maybe I'm just a softie in general...  

I agree, sort of. I actually started out kind of liking Blackwall and kind of being annoyed of Solas in my first playthrough. But I did not pursue the Blackwall romance then. In my second playthrough I started a Blackwall romance and broke it off after finding his badge. Hard to put in words, but he was just annoying. Like he was trying too hard to be dark and fatalistic and mysterious and... especially manly. Whatever. I particularly dislike the conversation in the tavern about the dog. He looks at you and speaks to you as if you were too dumb to understand. Like he had to teach you something important about life that you would not learn otherwise. Ah, I fail to explain.

 

Anyway, Solas grew on me in the course of my playthroughs. I actually find it hard to alienate him. I had a human noble playthrough, where I allied with the Templars, let the Wardens join, abandoned the rituals in the temple and drank from the well. Still, I got the same friendship ending that I had gotten with my mage lavellan, who had done anything she could to please Solas (apart from romancing him to the end). I would really like to see him get really mad at me, but I am doing something wrong.

Well I had mentioned this a few pages back but I was trying to decide whether Solas had truly lied to us? If you asked him a question, I believe he was honest with his answers. If he couldn't give you the truth, he would hide it behind a clever comment or question. He omitted to tell us the truth and until the end before he was ready to confess you could see his conflict.

 

I guess it depends how you see it. He would slip now and then and when you would point out, he would immediately mention the Fade. I thought Solas was honest in his feelings and the answers he would give you.

 

Now whether he would answer if he was the Dread Wolf or not, I think he would tell you. How would Lavellan figure that out if she hadn't drink from the Well though? Poor Lavellan.

Simple:

Solas is a god.  We know this, because he never calls himself such a thing.  That's what he says, that anyone who has to prove they're a god, is not.  Bottom line, he is unfathomable, fascinating, and meaningful every time he only says something, even.  And when he messes up, it's because he's trying to save people from slavery and degradation.

 

Blackwall, otoh, is a criminal hiding from his crimes who finally becomes frustrated by the lies he can no longer keep up with so that he uses you to find answers by picking through old, abandoned camps for understanding.  When he messed up, it was only because he wanted to be paid a ton of money, and that resulted in a bunch of little kids being slaughtered.

 

 

I dislike Blackwall, and I can pinpoint the exact moment I went from 'He seems pretty awesome' and onto

 

One of the times you talk to him down in that barn he goes on a rant about how Warden's shouldn't be studying their enemies because that doesn't matter, all that matters is killing them which is what being a Warden is for. Ugh.

No, Blackwall. Just, no.

I played every HoF as the kind of person that would stop and ask questions. Sure, more often than not they would kill them after, but I was never not willing to exhaust all dialogue first. Understanding your enemy is vital imo.

 

Gah.

All of his opinions on what a Warden should be irritated me, then when I discovered who he really was I really hated his opinions on Wardens. I am 100% sure if he met my two beloved elven HoF's from my two canon world states (I can't pick between the two!) then he'd probably just cry. 

Sure they're heroic and powerful fighters, but sit down and get to know them and you'll find none of this 'honour and sacrifice' and instead just a pair of

Spoiler

 

 

Excellent points all around, I think I have a clearer understanding as to why I dislike him. 

 

@Oswin: That was my moment too. I was really confused, like...uh...but...the Wardens are supposed to know all about Darkspawn and keep learning about them. In Ostagar's camp, you see a warden teaching soldiers about Darkspawn. Alistair tells the recruits that Grey Wardens sense Darkspawn. Then at Adamant, the Warden-Commander knew about Corypheus, and Blackwall - a Warden Constable - doesn't? And you come across notes from Grey Wardens about Darkspawn all the time - they catalog everything. 

 

He has this ideal about them, and romanticizes them; he sees them as his redemption, another place to hide from his past. And Solas is like "no the elves were dicks, but there are some good stuff about them too." And Solas isn't hiding from what he's done, he's facing it head-on.

 

And it's great that Blackwall finally faces what he's done. But killing kids, and allowing it to happen? For gold. Yeah. Not that easy to forgive.  

 

Okay. Yep. I get why I dislike him now. Awesome character arch, dislike him personally. Thanks y'all!

 

 

Oh! The cosplay couple who were going to cosplay as Lavellan and Solas I showed pages and pages back? Turns out they have a tumblr account and this is their progress so far...

 

<solas cosplay>

 

Source: http://aicosu.tumblr...ll-enough-for-a

 

I can't wait for the final result! 

 

I love them, but if I ever see him as Solas he better prepare himself for the biggest glomp of his life. XD

 

What if it's like Mordin in mass effect 3? To do a greater good, you have to allow him to die. If you want to keep him alive, there are unfavorable consequences. 

 

...Okay. XD

 

[LliiraAnna]

... Now THAT's a shining steed I'd ride into battle. Out of it too.

What was it, again? "Tame the wolf!"? 

[Addai]

I think the dalish are more fluent in elvhen than the game shows us but originally they would have had to learn the language from texts, I would expect them to be familiar with working out the written form especially a future Keeper.

Not necessarily. They might have kept the elven language alive among themselves in Tevinter, even though they were forbidden to speak it openly. That doesn't happen in RL much but maybe elves are speshul.
 

Eluvians, yes. Lyrium...
 
Does Solas ever mention anything about lyrium? He seems pretty ignorant about dwarves in general, going by his conversations with Varric. And that's really weird. You'd think a society built on magic would be choking on lyrium. Maybe... lyrium didn't exist before the veil was put in place? The elves relied purely on their mana and blood before that?

My interpretation is that elves could tap directly into the Fade, or whatever was the Fade before the Veil existed. Lyrium is a backdoor cheat.
 

Very easily, many times over.
 
Lives are lost if you send Cullen on the first mission.
Josephine results in clan scattered and killed in the second.
Josephine gets them all killed in the third.
In the fifth all elves in Wycomb including the clan are killed if you use you guessed it -Josie. 
 
And this is why I don't care about the human war table missions, nothing I do is going to get all her family killed so just send whoever.

I sent Leliana on the 2nd mission and the clan got wiped out. I never would have trusted a human duke to treat the clan well- more like he'd be leading the assault force- but I figured scouts would move faster than troops, so using forces was a risk. Well.
 

The Modder who made that, based It off of Thandruil from The Hobbit.

How is Thranduil suddenly a romantic hero?? In the Tolkien books he's a punk.

I'll take my Solas vanilla.
 

I have to say, I'm not so sure about the writers leving a trail of breadcrumbs... Quite to the contrary, I feel they're still hiding crucial information from us. I mean, I don't recall anyone predicting that Flemeth was Mythal... Well, there's so many prediction that someone might have guessed right   but we knew so little about her... Even now that we know, how many things can you find in her appearance in books and games that clearly led to think that she was an elven goddes?

There were hints. She has a relationship with the Dalish as of The Stolen Throne. They're helping her as scouts, and have a fearful/ reverent attitude towards her. Then in DA2, when Merrill bows to her, Flemeth asks if she knows her by any other title than Asha'bellanar. When Merill answers no, she says "Then rise. The People bend the knee too quickly." Now with hindsight that sticks out, because who would Merrill bow to that Flemeth thinks deserves it?

[NeverlandHunter]

It's funny because I don't really have any special desire for a happy or sad ending. 
 
I just want something that is emotionally dramatic.
 
I just want to FEEL ALL THE FEELS.
 
I don't want it to be all happy cute if it's boring happy cute.
And I don't want it to be sad if it's going to be like "he dies. the end".
 
I want maximum drama for maximum feels. Happy or tragic. I want emotional impact.

On the topic of happy/vs sad endings, I get really annoyed when happy endings end too perfectly. 
 
Like with Harry Potter it ended along the lines of "Now that Voldemort was defeated, Harry knew nothing bad would ever happen again." And I wanted to retch. I mean, hello you're married with kids - something is going to go wrong!

I'm sorry...but you guys are crazy!!!
I need a happy ending! I get enough realistic and tragic endings in real life! When a newly wed couple passes in their just married car my cynical self thinks "I wonder how many years they'll be married?" There's so much divorce and cheating and lying in life that I need my fairytale endings in books and games! Now don't get me wrong, all unicorns and fluffy bunnies would be boring. I like drama as much as the next person, but that drama is for the story-- the struggle for the characters to come together so that they get the happy ending they deserve. There's misunderstandings, overcoming challenges, and SHAZAM happy ending! Hello fan fiction writers and headcanons you can now add to their story if you wish!
I for one was very satisfied with the Harry Potter ending (don't like all the pairings, but tis a minor gripe). Harry's been harassed his whole life-- he deserves his bunnies and rainbows! (Plus, the Harry Potter books did start out as children's literature ) I grew up with Harry and his friends. They made me cry enough, and I do appreciate the feels, but by the end I was ready for ol' Voldy to stop returning and Harry to stop being put in near death experiences! Now Lavellan and Solas's story is a bit more mature than the Harry Potter one, so I expect deeper feelings and harder struggles, but at the end of that let them have their happy ending! Or at least let the player's choice be able to give them one!
And remember, it is much harder to head canon a sad ending happy than it is a happy ending sad.
:-/ Well that's just what I have to say about that, in the end we're all entitled to our own opinions (happy ending is best!! *cough cough*)

[miraclemight]

Wow, this just turned up in the Cullen thread: 

 

 

*dies*

 

I can't view this. (It happens with most Photobucket links.) Is it NSFW? If not, can someone please upload it on imgur? :3

[Rabbitonfire]

On the topic of happy/vs sad endings, I get really annoyed when happy endings end too perfectly. 

 

Like with Harry Potter it ended along the lines of "Now that Voldemort was defeated, Harry knew nothing bad would ever happen again." And I wanted to retch. I mean, hello you're married with kids - something is going to go wrong!

It's more like nothing bad will happen on the scale of Voldemort. It's like, "Ugh, gotta write my tax forms... at least it's not as bad as fighting Voldemort" or "UGH! My migraine is horrid!... But at least my lightning scar doesn't hurt anymore..."Note: I never read harry potter.

[Aetheria]

It's actually my issue with Pride and Prejudice! Too many things tied too neatly in a bow. Persuasion is a significantly better novel with one of the most exquisite balances of bitter and sweet I've ever read. Yes, the lovers are reconciled. But that's not without the heroine losing ten years of her youth because she allowed the opinions of those she trusted to overshadow her judgement. She has to suffer a decade of regret, self-deprecation, and emotional marginalization at the hands of her own family so she can develop the strength to voice her own desires for her future.

 

I think my reading of Pride and Prejudice is rather more cynical than many (perhaps because I'm a pessimist by nature or because I don't like the TV adaptations or some of each), but I always think of Persuasion as being more happy and optimistic in the end. I can't help but read P+P as Austen relentlessly poking fun (in a very understated way) at all the characters involved including Elizabeth and Darcy. It's less a dramatic romance than a sort-of-comic commentary on the implausibility of dramatic romance. So to my mind a Pride and Prejudice kind of thing would be a happy ending that subtly mocks people for wanting a happy ending.

 

Which definitely isn't what I want, I'd like Persuasion's ending much better, so I think we agree anyway!

[Arlee]

I can't view this. (It happens with most Photobucket links.) Is it NSFW? If not, can someone please upload it on imgur? :3

 and post the full ink please

[Janic99]

Wow, this just turned up in the Cullen thread: 

 

 

*dies*

WE'LL BANG OKAY HOTTIE!?

[Moondreamer01]

 

 

 

GAH so sorry I'm only replying now, was backreading (and I've finally caught up, WOOHOO! happy very belated 2k pages Solas thread!).

 

To answer your question, no you aren't missing any Solas content. I just took the breakup's aftermath as an argument of sorts, because my Lavellan picked the bewildered option where she sort of spat, "and we're done?". So, really, that's all there is to it. I'm sorry if I raised your hopes futilely in any way.

 

 

 

 

I've been pondering this ever since my first playthrough ended too. What is Solas planning? From the posts I've read, most people seem to be thinking that he's moving to free the other Elven gods, or maybe tear down the Veil. But like you, I don't think that's the case. Because it just doesn't add up.

 

With regards to the Elven gods, even thousands of years later, he doesn't have a lot of nice things to say about them. Especially Falon'din. The only ones he seems to like is Mythal (and that didn't stop him from doing whatever he did post-credits, which may not be a bad thing but then why did he apologize beforehand?), and he acts kind of sad in Dirthamen's temple (I remember him saying something after we killed the High Priest, something about how low Dirthamen's sunk in this pretty sad tone, but I can't remember the exact words).

 

Anyway, aside from dislike, just imagine what would happen if he sets the trapped Elven gods free.They'll probably kill him for imprisoning them in the first place. And while he may not care about that much, since he says to Flemeth himself that he deserves to be punished, what about after that? The gods will probably take over again, enslaving the elves through religious fervor just as they did before. Considering Solas values free will above all else, I really don't see why he'll go for this option, even if it means elves regaining their magic and all that. And that regaining thing is an IF. The Elven gods must be pretty weak now, maybe even weaker than Solas is, if they can't break out of the prison he made for them.

 

As to tearing the Veil apart, yes as you've pointed out, he does everything he can throughout the game to keep it maintained. He does have an exasperated moment where he says, paraphrased, "Unless I can bring the Fade here and craft everything to my will, then no you can't expect me to change everything" to an Inquisitor he dislikes who asks him why he isn't helping elves. But there it is, it's just a moment of exasperation, and probably a call back to how things were before the Veil. But that was before, and to have the Veil torn now would equate to demons pouring out of the rifts, because that's what modern people expect to see, and so that's what colors the Fade. The Breach is a mini-version of a destroyed Veil, and look how well that turned out. So unless he launches a continent-wide series of lessons on "Sprits can be your friends" before destroying the Veil, then no, I don't see how he thinks this option can help everybody.

 

What, then, is he planning to do?

 

It's obviously still got something to do with the past, and something being restored. It's not like he knows much about anything else aside from the ancient elven empire after all.

 

So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, maybe, what he's trying to do is recover whatever artifact or magic or whatever it was the Pantheon had so that they could become gods. As others have already pointed out, it's weird that there are even gods in the first place in an empire where everyone has magic and so has the potential to be gods as well. So why only these few elves at the top? Because they had something the other elves did not, and it's whatever that is that Solas is seeking.

 

But what is it? I can't be sure, but I think it's got something to do with one of those ancient writings we find in Mythal's temple, the one that talks about someone taking a winged form (most likely a dragon) reserved for the gods without permission and getting punished for it. Maybe it's the dragon form itself that gives the Elven gods power, or whatever it is that enables the dragon form, and if that's the case maybe the Forgotten Ones/Old Gods took it for themselves and hid with it in the Void. And now Solas has to venture into the Void to recover it.

 

Idw, still pretty wobbly, but that's how I'm seeing it right now.

 

 

[Snips]

 

Sorry for the late post. I'm still trying to catch up to this thread. I think you're on to something here though. It always seemed to be very unlikely that Solas would want to release the ehlven gods after going to the trouble of "hiding" them away, to save them as Cole says. It makes no sense. Same for the veil. At this point in time,  tearing teh veil apart would be a catastrophe for everyone living in Thedas. No one is ready to live with spirits and demons freely mingly, and I think Solas realizes this. And then, there's his quest about strengthening the veil. Maybe it's growing thin and would end up tearing with those artefacts to help?

 

I really like the idea of him going to the void to look for something, knowing that he could possibly lose him mind, same as Andruil. I feel there's place there also for the Fogotten ones/titans (could they be one and the same) and the source of the blight. Would also explain why both him and the HoF are saif to have gone the same way, if both are related.

 

Also... for him not telling the truth to Lavellan and disappearing. I headcanon him realizing that, since she loves him, she wouldn't accept to leave his side and there is NO way he can ask her to go into the void with him to do whatever he has to do. It's something he has to do alone, because of the danger (and possibly because he doesn't think he'll come back from his journey at all, or at least come back sane).

 

Not sure all I'm saying, but I just wanted to tell you how much I like this theory of yours

[TanisLave]

 and post the full ink please

http://i1284.photobu...olas-horse1.png

[Rabbitonfire]

I can't view this. (It happens with most Photobucket links.) Is it NSFW? If not, can someone please upload it on imgur? :3

It is a picture of Solas's face photoshopped onto an already existing picture of Cullen on a horse. I guess if half naked is NSFW?

[hellozombie]

SO, I actually just came to share, but it looks like someone beat me to it. You're welcome, Solas thread.

This is what happens when I wonder if they're going to "Cullenize" the Solas romance.
 

MUSE I NEED YOU TO PHOTOSHOP A HART IN PLACE OF THE HORSE BECAUSE REASONS 

reasons that are located in my pants

sorry not sorry

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Aetheria]

Wow, this just turned up in the Cullen thread: 

Spoiler

*dies*

 

Unfortunately for me this was the first thing that came to mind. Cannot unsee D:

[drake2511]

I want my Lavellan and Solas to have a happy ending. I want it so bad I'm going to believe it's actually possible for them.

I'm not in denial. NO I'M NOT.

 

...I'll go back to drooling over naked solas on a horse

[miraclemight]

It is a picture of Solas's face photoshopped onto an already existing picture of Cullen on a horse. I guess if half naked is NSFW?

 

Ah, I guess I can imagine.

 

What's it with all these hart mount references? Do I even want to know?