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[TanisLave]

I'm prob Biased since I love the feel of shaved hair. /rocks the shaved look

[NeverlandHunter]

Gotta say, I like shaved head Solas.
http://endless-lazin...th-modding-tool

It makes him look younger...and a bit more like a ruffian. Like now all he needs is piercings in his ears and a snake tattoo running across his body. o_O that mental image.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I haven't seen a single mod I'd take over the original.

 

I do really like Kamael's mod, though I don't think I'd use it permanently.  Elven God!Solas is definitely my new Dragon Age guilty pleasure 

[Illyria]

Your Warden is not looking for a cure for the Calling in the Uncharted Wests, physically too far away for Corypheus' false Calling to reach hom/her, and/or Zevran is right there physically beside him/her? What does the letter say?

 

I've not had it myself (not a Zev fan) but it says something about the Warden and Zev having their own battles and implies they're still together physically.

 

EDIT: That came out dirtier than I intended.

 

Zev approves +100

[LliiraAnna]

Your Warden is not looking for a cure for the Calling in the Uncharted Wests, physically too far away for Corypheus' false Calling to reach hom/her, and/or Zevran is right there physically beside him/her? What does the letter say?

The letter says something like "me and Zevran have our own battle to fight". I'd screen it, but I have it in russian. 

 

Edit: "Regardless, Zevran and I have our own battles to fight" is the exact line. 

[Illyria]

Your Warden is not looking for a cure for the Calling in the Uncharted Wests, physically too far away for Corypheus' false Calling to reach hom/her, and/or Zevran is right there physically beside him/her? What does the letter say?

 

 

I found it.

 

After talking about how they wish they could help the Inquisitor:

 

'Regardless, Zevran and I have our own battles to fight'

[dragondreamer]

For those against an unrealistically happy ending, I think we're safe here. In the history of DA games, BioWare has NEVER given us perfectly happy endings. There's always some bittersweet mitigating factor, or there becomes one in future games.

Just look at DAO romances. If the Warden survives DAO (by letting Morrigan perform a sinister ritual for unknown reasons), at best s/he is still committed with his/her beloved, but they can't physically be together right now. The Warden goes to the uncharted Wests while:

Morrigan is in Celene's court with their son.
Leliana is working with Cassandra for Divine Justinia V, then the Inquisitor.
Zevran is going around hunting down and disbanding the Antivan Crows.
Alistair is either dealing with Corypheus' Calling as a Warden, or running Ferelden without her help (as mistress or queen) as King.

Look at DA2:

Hasn't Hawke been on the run for years, and broke up with his/her beloved to keep him/her safe? Then can die over DAI--although I don't know what happens if Hawke lives.

Perfect pretty-with-a-bow happy ending is not gonna happen. I would just settle for "not tragic" or "not completely heartbreaking."

 

Zevran is traveling with the Warden on the quest to cure the Calling.  I consider most of the relationships to be more or less happy, provided they're both still alive.  (*still sobbing over Hawke*) Simply being separated for a while isn't an end to a relationship. 

[Tielis]

 

While I want to believe that Solas is Fen'Harel and Solas is just the totally-not-subtle name of self-loathing he takes after awakening and trying to fix his mess... there IS something odd about his interactions with Cole.
 

When Cole begins interacting with Solas, Solas goes out of his way to ask Cole to remember the things that pain him or weigh on his mind, "could you.. could you do it as I would?" In doing so, Cole changes his syntax and sentence structure. It's no longer a disjointed garble of verbs, but instead complete sentences that have a subject. Him. In third person. No longer the first person in-the-moment-experiences he has with the other companions.
 

This separation, or personal distance if you will, could lead credence to the concept of Fen'Harel possessing Solas at some point. Who knows? That possession could have even been before the fall of Arlathan and Solas could still be the ancient Elvhen Abelas recognizes him to be.

Moreover, in Cole's descriptions of Solas' past there is a moment in which he describes a death scene: 

Cole: It sees him ready to jump pain pulsing. A life of frustration can finally fall, to freeze.

Solas: Ah, yes.  

Cole: It holds him high, shows the hole where everything falls without him. He never needs to leave. He matters here. 

Solas: That is one interpretation, yes. 

Cole: You think it is different?

Solas: I think he fell and it held him as he died. Leaving him with images that told him his life was worth while. 

Cole: That's much sadder, but yes, calm comfort as the cold takes him away. They can only return to the maker if they become real. Why can't they be forgiven as they are? 

Solas: People say the lack the ability to learn or grow. 

Cole: Yes?

Solas: But the more contact you have with this world the more ability you gain. 

Fascinating. Why would Solas have the memory of a dead man, the sensation and thoughts he felt as he died? Moreover, their conversation flits straight to a conversation about being "real" (seriously, that's going to be my next wall of text break down - that word bothers me to no end because of its ambiguity), the necessity of becoming or interacting with the physical in order to grow, to change, to experience. It's odd.

 

 

I think this one is about Cole the boy and the spirit who watched him and eventually became him.  Solas is trying to guide the spirit to better understand the world he now lives in.

[Oswin]

The letter says that, quoting, "me and Zevran have our own battle to fight". I'd screen it, but I have it in russian. 

 

Edit: 'Regardless, Zevran and I have our own battles to fight' is the exact line. 

 

I have it

 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Illyria]

Thank you! That's a great solution!!

 

Spirit!Cole seems to be very aware of what happened to human!Cole, though.

[RynJ]

Hi Solas thread! So Danaduchy on Tumblr found another interesting thing in the game files. DLC someday? 

 

http://danaduchy.tum...iggered-in-game

[NeverlandHunter]

I'm pretty sure no one in this thread has ever expected a rainbows and unicorns happy ending...

I expect rainbows and unicorns happy ending!

My first image didn't go on right. So here's this one!

[Ajna]

Hi Solas thread! So Danaduchy on Tumblr found another interesting thing in the game files. DLC someday? 

 

http://danaduchy.tum...iggered-in-game

 

Unless you went the Mage route...

[scintilla]

Hi Solas thread! So Danaduchy on Tumblr found another interesting thing in the game files. DLC someday? 

 

http://danaduchy.tum...iggered-in-game

 

It sounds like a scrapped quest to follow up Champions of the Just to me. It might be some of the content they want to add in in patches.

[dragondreamer]

That Cole and Solas banter is supposed to be a "It's a Wonderful Life" reference, so it's one of those things I hesitate to give too much meaning to outside of the very abstract.

[RynJ]

It sounds like a scrapped quest to follow up Champions of the Just to me. It might be some of the content they want to add in in patches.

 

I hope they plan to add it in patches if they do and don't sell it to us later. 

[Gwyvian]

Good morning everyone! Well, I have too many quotes stored up, so I'll just start tossing out responses..... and curtail my enthusiasm so it isn't miles long.

 

I have to admit, if Solas didn't have a gendergate, it would be like DA2 all over again, where I romance nothing but Fenris forever. (No complaints, tbh.)  But now I have another problem.  I was set on my male Lavellan romancing Cass, but it's been real slow going (Solas spoiled me so much haha), and meanwhile, Dorian is turning on the charm over 9000.  I'm getting flashbacks to my solitary Cousland I made to romance Alistair that ended up with Zevran.  Stay strong, Dudevellan, stay strong.

 

I can totally relate to this problem. I made such a nice male Lavellan and I'm barely able to keep away from my female Lavellan replay as it is, and I had the same thing with my Cousland. Since I struck on her combination, I haven't been the same since... I will persevere, though!

 

Zev is one of my favourite DAO companions. So many people dismissed him as shallow, when there's so much more to him. As for Dorian, I didn't expect to like him as much as I did. He surprised me, in a good way; I wasn't interested in him at the beginning, but he won me over over the course of the game.

 

 Simply put, for them both! I loved Zev, he had some nuggets of surprising wisdom, definitely not a shallow character. Humor and charm should never be mistaken for shallowness. As for Dorian, I knew I'd like him, I wasn't wrong. I just have to force myself to stay the course and get his romance. (Dammit, Solas and you're haunting eyes!)

 

*snip*

Even though this song is in chinese there are the english subtitles.. I gotta say that lyrics could be sang by Solas T_T

*snip*

 

Ah, this is so nice! It gives me the same feeling as this: https://www.youtube....h?v=iRz2S9hoRys

 

I just played this part last night, so what happens (at least for me) is: Abelas tells me that I have the characteristics of those that "call themselves Elvhen" now. Obviously he does not consider "Elvhen" to be closely related to him. So calling Solas "Elvhen like you" later on does not necessarily mean he thinks "like you and me", but simply "like you" - "like you, Solas" or "like you two", both could be possible.

 

I do not mean to disagree about him seeing Solas as something special. In fact, I am not sure. He should notice Solas being special simply by learning that Solas really speaks and understands Elven, while Lavellan has grown rather distant to the ancient Elven culture. Also, why does Lavellan refer to Solas *at all* when meeting Abelas and his guys? She seems to think Solas is closer to them than she is, she assumes some further knowledge, understanding, or connection between Solas and Abelas. So, if I was Abelas and I see one elf asking another elf to speak to me, I would already assume the first elf does not feel too sure about her heritage. Starting from that point it is not too surprising for me that Abelas rather turns to Solas and disregards Lavellan.

 

So while I do not wish to disagree, I simply tried to point out that this cutscene is the same for both, Dalish and human, and hence I do not think it is supposed to imply to much about comparing Solas/Dalish inquisitor.

 

This is a good point, Abelas is rather disparaging of everyone. I'm not completely convinced that he doesn't see something about Solas we don't, but it very well could be true.

 

As for why Lavellan would turn to Solas - simply put, he's the one who visits the Fade and goes to ancient ruins, if anyone could say anything remotely in context with ancient elven lore, that would be a huge help. At least, my Lavellan was totally overwhelmed by meeting an actual ancient elf, I felt like "ok, someone bail me out here because I'm pretty sure I'll be talking in gibberish any second now!" I'd think Abelas was used to that kind of reaction *grumbles* him and his awe-inspiring immortalness!

 

Yes, he did. I took it as a "You shape the future of this world". And it did not strike me as odd.

But, I must repeat, I keep getting minor differences - for example (because somebody mentioned it a few posts ago) my current Dalish mage cannot ask "Who is Mythal?", she only gets options implying that she knows. I have no idea as to how their array of variables must look like to determine the options and lines we get.

Once I could even pursue a Solas romance though I had already committed to Cullen.

 

My Dalish rogue can and did ask back "Temple of Mythal?" with a quizzical expression like she has no idea who Mythal, elven goddess is. *sigh*

 

 

They bond over baldness.

 

*giggles* I'm going to have dreams of that now.

 

*snip*

Aha time-travel was totally my first guess! Solas needing to go back and change his "great mistake", creating an alternate timeline where the quiz no longer exists. It would certainly explain him not wanting to see the people he meets as "real", since to him, that timeline shouldn't be real. 

But yeah I think there is a general feeling of "ugh, not time travel again". Also I believe there is a codex during the In Hushed Whispers quest - Alexius journal? - which states that time travel is only possible within the time frame of an open breach. Time-magic drawing on the power of the open breach. So, unless Solas has planned super far in advance and opened a breach however many years ago in order to go back there one day.... 

 

And:

 

Yeah well... you know how I feel about time travel? EFFF time travel. You know why? It negates... EVERYTHING. As a player who did DA:O, DA2, and DA:I it'd be like laughing at the hours of time, character development, personal growth, and interpersonal relationships we crafted and throwing it in the trash because, "Fade+Physical World is BAMF, yo. Gotta fix my bad choices that resulted in all the fun you had. Your emotional investment to this world is dumb" would.. infuriate me. Infuriate being the biggest understatement conceivable. 
*snip*

 

About time travel - as a writer, I know the temptation of explaining things with it, but it doesn't have to be a negating force. It all depends on how it is used - is it a passive force, something that already happened a long time ago for some perfect fix that never manifested? Will it erase everything we know now and truly stay that way? (This is a weak option.) I like paradox a lot, but I think paradox needs to be meshed into the rest of reality and it is not to be used, ever, as a convenient plot device to "fix" everything. Invariably it never fixes anything at all.

It is also highly dependent upon the scope. I'd say, time travel should not be used in this story to wipe out all that has happened between the fall of Arlathan and now, that would be sad, arrogant and stupid of the perpetrator (who would be Fen'Harel in this case) and I don't think that it's right to erase the responsibility nor the pain caused - nor the consequences of either of these things. I doubt the devs would opt for this.

I do like in-between time travel flashes like the deal with Alexius, however - that gives us a foretaste, it gives us insight that you could even put down to "gut feeling and visions" had it not had a "rational" explanation of time magic, and since no one is truly affected by it, but it is a motivator for the Inquisitor. She already had reasons to stop Corypheus, though, so it's not that significant either way, it just adds knowledge and lore that turns out to be useful (no one believes it anyway, who we would benefit from if they did believe).

 

GAH so sorry I'm only replying now, was backreading (and I've finally caught up, WOOHOO! happy very belated 2k pages Solas thread!).

 

To answer your question, no you aren't missing any Solas content. I just took the breakup's aftermath as an argument of sorts, because my Lavellan picked the bewildered option where she sort of spat, "and we're done?". So, really, that's all there is to it. I'm sorry if I raised your hopes futilely in any way.

*snip*

 

Aw, ok. 

 

I keep thinking and thinking about Solas's and Lavellan's future and I can't help but feel like.. they have no happy ending. I don't see a way for them to be together and happy that would maintain the integrity of the story. PW said that they created the romance so that his story would be sadder. Why would they need do to this? I can't help but think it's because Solas is going to end up doing something that would require sympathy in order for him to be less one-dimensional and to balance him doing something Big and Dramatic, and, I think.. exiled/lost/alone forever. If he was just a regular companion with no romance and we found out he was a god who was planning to release the other Elvhen (or whatever his original plan was -- which now without the orb I think he'll need to use the combined power of himself and Mythal, likely resulting in self-sacrifice in some way), it would definitely not mean as much if we didn't have a more personal connection and didn't see the side of him that had a chance of love, who could love and love deeply (and who's greatest fear is dying alone, foreshadowing much?).

 

I really really want to be wrong, and surprised, but I just don't see how, unless it got REALLY tropey and hallmark-channely (like, he gives up his godhood to do his Big Plan and is now mortal, consequence free, and him and Lav can be happily ever after). I dunno, maybe I'm in a funky mood.

 

Oooh, I don't know. I have a feeling that Solas fans here will boycott DA if they didn't give us what we want! 

 

Noooo, we wouldn't.   But I think that these worries are unnecessary - DA (as games are in general) is about choice. Fen'Harel's plans and actions don't have to be changed in the slightest to "fit" an ending - what can be done is giving the players the choice to potentially doom the world in favor of their love, or to take mitigating actions or to simply live with the heartbreak in the name of the greater good (if we have to kill Solas to save the world, though, I won't be fit to live with). I'm sure that some people (myself included) would totally try out a "I'm so devoted to Solas that I will doom the world for him" ending if the option is given - my worry is that they won't give us an option that squirms between these two extremes. So happy ending/tragic ending is ultimately up to us and what we, as the Inquisitor, value as important and worth fighting for. This is good. Take their Anders stance for instance - I like the fact that, regardless of whether or not you romanced him, even regardless of whether you agreed with his actions, you can kill him or let him live, sometimes with conditions attached and sometimes not. This is also after he takes actions, so you as the player can only react to it, not go along with it or reject it completely. That was such a nice heart-twisty kind of thing I thought, but I would like to see an option where we actually have the choice upfront.

 

Just a thought. *shrug*

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Addai]

While I want to believe that Solas is Fen'Harel and Solas is just the totally-not-subtle name of self-loathing he takes after awakening and trying to fix his mess... there IS something odd about his interactions with Cole.
 
When Cole begins interacting with Solas, Solas goes out of his way to ask Cole to remember the things that pain him or weigh on his mind, "could you.. could you do it as I would?" In doing so, Cole changes his syntax and sentence structure. It's no longer a disjointed garble of verbs, but instead complete sentences that have a subject. Him. In third person. No longer the first person in-the-moment-experiences he has with the other companions.
 
This separation, or personal distance if you will, could lead credence to the concept of Fen'Harel possessing Solas at some point. Who knows? That possession could have even been before the fall of Arlathan and Solas could still be the ancient Elvhen Abelas recognizes him to be.

I'm not sure I follow. I interpreted this as Cole speaking in Wisdom's voice about Solas. Solas coached Cole a bit in what he needed to hear in order to be comforted about her death.

I admit that dialogue is still a bit of a mystery to me, though. "In his own way he knew Wisdom as no other man did"... makes me think of knowing in the biblical sense. I know, I know. Don't hit me.
 

Fascinating. Why would Solas have the memory of a dead man, the sensation and thoughts he felt as he died? Moreover, their conversation flits straight to a conversation about being "real" (seriously, that's going to be my next wall of text break down - that word bothers me to no end because of its ambiguity), the necessity of becoming or interacting with the physical in order to grow, to change, to experience. It's odd.

I'm not sure where you picked up that text, but those are two separate banters. Solas says "that's one interpretation" of how the spirit helped the fall victim die, and he offers another one. I don't think Solas has any particular clairvoyance here. He's telling Cole how humans can experience despair in their final moments and want to know their life mattered. Basically describing someone's life flashing before their eyes.

And since Cole is supposed to give away movie endings, could this be a movie plot?? I'd like a list of Cole banters and what movies or TV shows they go with. (aha, ninja'ed!)

[Kittn]

Well, let's not say NEVER.  The thing with the Wardens hasn't been resolved at the end of DA:I, yet another dangling plot thread for DLC or maybe DA4.  Besides, characters vanish and then reappear all the time in Thedas.

 

On a more selfish note, I romanced Warden!Alistair, Anders, and Solas.  My Hawke is dead, Solas has all the ominous foreshadowing, so goddamnit I would like at least one of my canon DA couples to get a happy ending    I really know how to pick 'em.  At least I went with Garrus for ME.

 

My Warden ended up with Zevran. It was honestly a plan from the start for my world canon PT so I could get Loghain alive without Alistair becoming an alchoholic. Even more glad I made that decision when Zevran ended up being the only real happy ending for a warden female who wasn't a human noble. No regrets at all there. Zev is ridiculously awesome. And utterly gorgeous. Rawr.

 

But that did mean my Hawke was up against Loghain in the fade, and I just couldn't let him die, so I world canon'd the Hawke that ended up with Anders even though I think I like Fenris more. Luckily I never recruit Isabella, so Fenris is still happily unattached in my world state. I guess if worse comes to worst, and my Lavellan never finds Solas again, I can headcanon that she stumbles into the wrong wolf on her wolf hunt.

 

I don't really want that though. I want her happy ending.

 

[dragondreamer]

Do you know if the Cole and Solas banter about the lovers is a reference as well? Thanks for the response and help!

 

If it is, I'm not aware of the reference.  It's one of the banters that really intrigues me...

[Sable Rhapsody]

It sounds like a scrapped quest to follow up Champions of the Just to me. It might be some of the content they want to add in in patches.

 

I would really like that.  It seems a bit odd that after Envy tries to possess you, everyone including Solas seems to just forget about it and assume you're fine.  Therinfall was one big heroic BSOD for my Lavellan, so I'd like some follow-up on that.

 

Also I will never pass up an opportunity for gentle!Solas helping Lavellan through her troubles.

[Mims]

Hi Solas thread! So Danaduchy on Tumblr found another interesting thing in the game files. DLC someday? 

 

http://danaduchy.tum...iggered-in-game

 

Ooh, that is so cool. Definitely sounds more like cut content than DLC. Perhaps they originally considered having follow up quests to your templar/mage choice, but didn't have enough time to include them or expand upon it?