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[_Lucinia]

Leliana certainly romanticizes the Wardens and it's awesome and all that she believes in second chances but it wasn't her choice. She would let an Inquisitor get into a relationship with Blackwall and never share her information. She and Blackwall were both working for you-- and you had every right to know!
A cunning lady? What about the what happened with Solas? She was the soy master for petes sake! She either went and made the conscious decision to ignore how suspicious Solas was or was to inept to realize it! He may have seemed to be an unassuming apostate hobo in the beginning, but it's her job to notice the little things and not to judge a threat by appearance. Solas oozes suspicious right off.
Oh you need someone to stabalize this prisoner's Fade mark?
Here's this very convenient elven apostate!
Need information about ancient Elven civilizations and ancient magics!
Here's Solas!
Want to check up a bit on his back story?
Nah! I'm good!
And just to hit it home, let us not forget Haven was under siege by an army and the only warning they got was from a random Tevinter or a freaky (adorable) assassin boy! She felt bad for that mess up (and I comforted her because I played a nice and naive little Dalish) but in reality, that was a huuuuuge mistake!
I just hope her replacement does a better job ... (I made her Divine)
Or you know, maybe Varric should just take the reigns. (I don't actually think he'd to a better job, but probably equally terrible!)
Uh, and for the record I adore Leliana in Origins. She's awesome, like really awesome, but she makes for a better companion than spy master.

Yes I think she's cunning.  That statement doesn't mean that I think she is incapable of bad judgement calls or making mistakes.  Geeze.

[phaonica]

Pretty sure the marking things glow on Human!Inquisitions/and the rest of the races though.

That makes sense. I was thinking that maybe it could be true that ancient vallaslin were geas runes. .... Although Abelas' vallaslin looks more like the Dalish vallaslin than geas runes. So maybe not.

[electricfish]

IIRC, it wsn't Corypheus who was going to drink from the Well, though. That was the Vessel's job. So wouldn't the Vessel have been under Flemeth's geas?

 

Depends if they had the Blight corruption, maybe? Spending all that time around Corypheus either gets you infected with red lyrium, or infected with the Blight. He is a darkspawn and spreads that stuff just by some contact.

[Mims]

IIRC, it wsn't Corypheus who was going to drink from the Well, though. That was the Vessel's job. So wouldn't the Vessel have been under Flemeth's geas?

 

You are correct. Corypheus was at least smart enough to realize that binding himself to a god would be a bad thing.

 

But it also does provide evidence that someone under the thrall of a god could still disobey to some extent.

[NeverlandHunter]

Yes I think she's cunning.  That statement doesn't mean that I think she is incapable of bad judgement calls or making mistakes.  Geeze.

I apologize if I upset you. I'm just holding a lot of resentment towards Leliana about the whole Solas thing :-/ which is weird, she's not real, she shouldn't upset me so.
After Solas leaves and you go back to Skyhold and she's all "I knew you to were close." I'm just seething. You. Should. Have. Seen. This. Coming. (Of course so should Lavellan, but it's easier to take my anger out on her)
Anywho, I do like Leliana and would of loved for her to have had a conversation with the Iron Bull or any of the companions for that matter.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Depends if they had the Blight corruption, maybe? Spending all that time around Corypheus either gets you infected with red lyrium, or infected with the Blight. He is a darkspawn and spreads that stuff just by some contact.

 

Yeah, but Calpernia seemed fine, totally lucid and uncorrupted.

[_Lucinia]

I apologize if I upset you. I'm just holding a lot of resentment towards Leliana about the whole Solas thing :-/ which is weird, she's not real, she shouldn't upset me so.
After Solas leaves and you go back to Skyhold and she's all "I knew you to were close." I'm just seething. You. Should. Have. Seen. This. Coming. (Of course so should Lavellan, but it's easier to take my anger out on her)
Anywho, I do like Leliana and would of loved for her to have had a conversation with the Iron Bull or any of the companions for that matter.

Let's not pin all of that initial ineptitude onto Leliana though.  Yes she's the spymaster, but Cass was quite alright with letting Solas help without knowing anything about him either.  

 

One thing I've learned about Leliana in DAI is even if you soften her, she's not nearly as gentle as she used to be.  She doesn't care about the cost as long as it's for what she sees as a greater good.  Solas (and Blackwall too I suppose) are a means to an end.  As long as she gets her world back I don't think she cares about the consequences.  So yeah i think she'll let stuff like that slide because she knows that Solas needs to help them.  She'll not interfere with Solas and Lavellan getting close, because if it means Solas sticks around and closes the breach, it doesn't matter in the end if Lavellan is hurt.  That's my interpretation anyways.  Cold, cunning, and calculated, yes bad judgement calls, but not inept.

[electricfish]

Yeah, but Calpernia seemed fine, totally lucid and uncorrupted.

True. It could be chalked up to Flemythal nudging history so that the more desirable options acquire the knowledge.

I think she would rather Morrigan drink from the well since Flemythal plans to give her godhood, but the Inquisitor is a better second choice than Calpernia/Samson because stability/other reasons.

[Sashimi_taco]

NVM it was a design oversight. The writer said so. [talking about mythal's ears]

 

 

*lays down and gives up*

[phaonica]

True. It could be chalked up to Flemythal nudging history so that the more desirable options acquire the knowledge.
I think she would rather Morrigan drink from the well since Flemythal plans to give her godhood, but the Inquisitor is a better second choice than Calpernia/Samson because stability/other reasons.

Possibly. Flemeth seemed genuinely surprised by finding out that Morrigan and/or the Inquisitor were the ones messing with the Well.

I also noticed that in this video, this dwarven Inquisitor does *not* glow when the geas is activated: http://youtu.be/36m7s_RfiTw

Edit: The geas definitely does glow on human Inquisitor. Aaaah, it's probably meaningless

[Wheels]

NVM it was a design oversight. The writer said so. [talking about mythal's ears]

 

 

*lays down and gives up*

 

Wwwwwwhhhhhhhhat?!

When? Where? Why? 

[Arahnea]

A cunning lady? What about the what happened with Solas? She was the soy master for petes sake! She either went and made the conscious decision to ignore how suspicious Solas was 

This made me laugh harder than it should have

[electricfish]

Maybe she expected one of her faithful to actually use it? Like Abelas, but is pleasantly surprised that Morrigan/Inquisitor got there?

[Mims]

Honestly, I'm not surprised if they just picked a human model because the elf body model looks too scrawny when naked. 

[Kappa Neko]

Oh and I think I expected him to be a lot more pacifist, based on how he was described pre-release. So when he went after the mages in a rage in his personal quest I was surprised by that too.

Oh god, yes. That scary reaction made me regret romancing Solas. It was turning into the Fenris disaster all over again... sorry to all Fenris fans, but that romance was so awful, it scarred me. I ended up resenting Fenris for his out of control anger that Hawke could not reason with.

 

It was actually quite funny at work, my colleague kept teasing me even before release that Solas would end up the Anders of Inquisition and fu*k everything up just as I predicted. Just because I decided to romance him, and that made him tainted by default to my colleague, lol? And we were both right....   He kept making fun of me for weeks and enjoyed my agony while he was happily pursuing the Sera romance. Not jealous about Sera at all, but... damn, I know how to pick 'em.

 

I TOTALLY walked into that pre-release info trap. AND his introduction and awesome fade conversation at Haven. I thought, ok, it's all good, he's NOT a passive-aggressive elf/mage. He was so polite, even quite cheerful. And seemed rather open-minded and tolerant. Of course I knew in my heart that he was responsible for the breach but I kept hoping he'd have a pleasant personality at least... And maybe there'd be a less Anders-crazy reason for the breach since he was rather romantic about the whole thing. Well, I DID end up forgiving him. But boy, he's got a nasty side!

His arrogance REALLY put me off. In that respect he's not unlike Vivienne... Dorian's arrogance is all a mask, he's all soft and sweet inside. His hyperbole masks his insecurities and sadness. Solas on the other hand displays real arrogance and he's cold as ice when he disapproves. Very condescending. I was shocked at times. He's got a temper too. I felt so unpleasantly reminded of Fenris, the romance was not an enjoyable experience for me until it was actually over. Then I felt deeply sorry for our poor Dread Wolf.

 

Still... it's kind of weird, but also fascinating. Solas has this air of ancient wisdom. He's a god or something similar to it, he's been around for ages. He's mostly composed and pensive. His voice is very soothing. He seems very mature at first glance, it fits a powerful ancient creature. At the same time he seems so very YOUNG at heart. Especially in the last scene with Mythal where he reminds me of a lost child who needs comfort. Solas embodies so many traits I would associate with a teenager. First of all, rebellious! He is idealistic but short-sighted. He's almost naive in his inability to see how his plans could go wrong. He has a passionate impulsive side that interferes with his plans. He does not have the kind of mature self-control that he thinks he has. Which shows in the romance that he succumbs to despite his initial protest. He plays it all cool in the beginning, flirts with ease and is not shy about it at all, thinks he's got it under control, but then the whole thing runs away with him and he gets the both burned. He's much like DAO Morrigan who set out to trick the warden into the ritual but then fell in love. So the tease that Solas and her should get a room is quite apt. They are sooo much alike, both rebels and Mythal's children in a way. Almost like twins in spirit. They both look so stupid at the end. They can't see the big picture, can't see it's not as simple as they make it out to be. They just want something good but don't know how to actually make it happen. They plot their own thing but it all goes horribly wrong. I used to think Morrigan was so wise for her age, and she does understand so much about what's going on with the elven gods. But they both get played masterfully in DAI. Mythal is much more the staple mysterious all-knowing goddess who pulls all the strings. Solas is really really young in spirit...

All the gloom and doom emo stuff is part of his teenage heart. "I am so misunderstood, so lonely, I hate myself..." This could be out of any teenager's diary *g* Solas has a LOT of growing up still to do if he wants to restore Thedas.

 

But now I understand why everybody is so in love with that character: a wolf god of ancient wisdom with the wounded heart of a small child and the passion and idealism of a teenager.

He's got that mentor sex appeal AND he activates women's mother/healer complex. Oh boy, Bioware created the perfect trap!

 

 

(This has all been discussed before I'm sure. Sorry I'm late for the party, took me over a month to finish the game, real life is a b*tch.)

[Renmiri1]

[Mims]

That is what I feel every time I have to select what characters to bring with me on a mission. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Oh god, yes. That scary reaction made me regret romancing Solas. It was turning into the Fenris disaster all over again... sorry to all Fenris fans, but that romance was so awful, it scarred me. I ended up resenting Fenris for his out of control anger that Hawke could not reason with.

 

Garrus has shades of this too, though it's a colder, more calculated anger.  Honestly it scared me more with him than with Solas or Fenris, though you can resolve Garrus's personal quest in a way that helps him get over it.

 

My Lavellan was deeply spooked at Solas's rage, but as a player...I thought it was kind of hot.  I have problems 

[hellozombie]

another song for the playlist...sorry I love music and I all I've been doing lately is making my own solas x lavellan playlist to listen to while I work so...

if you haven't guessed, my choices tend tend to reflect my Lavellan's (and my own) headspace following the breakup...pretty much "Oh of course, I'm not BITTER I just decided to work my way through all 29 bottles of Thedas FOR SCIENCE" followed quickly with "IMMA FIND THAT STUPID EGGFACE AND MAKE AN OMELETTE" and "love will bring us together WOOOOOT". What can I say, we're a couple of loose cannons and we've lost all our cannonballs.

Lyrics:

Spoiler

I sat by the ocean

And drank a potion, baby to erase you

Face down in the boulevard yet I couldn't face you

 

There ain't no use in cryin'

It doesn't change anything, so baby what good does it do?

Your friends they all sympathize, maybe I don't need them to

 

Imagine I'd be your one and only

Instead I'm the lonely one

You, me, and a lie

Silence is closer 

We're passing ships in the night

 

There's nowhere to run away

Said, 'Boy if you want love, you'll have to go and find it with someone new'

'Do you know who you really are? Are you sure it's really you?'

Lies are a funny thing

They slip through your fingertips because they never happened to you

Time wounds all the heals as we fade out of view

 

Imagine I'd be your one and only

Instead I'm the lonely one

You, me, and a lie

Silence is closer

We're passing ships in the night

You, me, and a lie

Silence is closer

We're passing ships in the night

Into the light, left with nowhere to hide

 

Closer and closer

We're crashing ships in the night

[Tielis]

So, my fellow elves. With no dalish bed, which bed did you choose? 

 

I picked the carved Orlesian bed with the overflowing sheets. Was anyone put out that there wasn't a specific decor for the Dalish? I felt like I had to go with the basic and pretend it was Dalish design. 

 

I went with Free Marches since Clan Lavellan pretty much lives there.

[electricfish]

I'd have simmering rage under my tightly controlled facade too if I was a slave to a creepy Tevinter magister with a penchant for tormenting and torture. That kind of feeling doesn't go away after three years of being on the run from slavers.

[kalasaurus]

 

Well, apparently I can romance Solas and whoever else I want because his romance didn't lock in after the balcony kiss and he still calls her lethallan.  This should be an interesting bug O.o

[Eivuwan]

Well, apparently I can romance Solas and whoever else I want because his romance didn't lock in after the balcony kiss and he still calls her lethallan.  This should be an interesting bug O.o

 

I wonder if you will get the third romance scene.

[zambixi]

Garrus has shades of this too, though it's a colder, more calculated anger.  Honestly it scared me more with him than with Solas or Fenris, though you can resolve Garrus's personal quest in a way that helps him get over it.

 

My Lavellan was deeply spooked at Solas's rage, but as a player...I thought it was kind of hot.  I have problems 

 

If Lavellan has a relationship with Cole by the time she does Solas' quest, I think it's possible she 100% understands his rage. It's one thing to watch your close friend get murdered. It's another thing to watch them be tortured, be corrupted, and be completely innocent and unable to understand why. And THEN be so distraught and wounded that they ask to be killed. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. But... we don't really get to see how strongly Solas feels about the spirit so it seems like it comes out of nowhere.

[RynJ]

Garrus has shades of this too, though it's a colder, more calculated anger.  Honestly it scared me more with him than with Solas or Fenris, though you can resolve Garrus's personal quest in a way that helps him get over it.

 

My Lavellan was deeply spooked at Solas's rage, but as a player...I thought it was kind of hot.  I have problems 

 

Solas' rage didn't really faze me at all. I guess it's because I got used to everyone killing people without a second thought in these games, seeing him go all pissed off about to kill those mages who tortured and killed his friends didn't really process as something incredibly disturbing. Of course it wouldn't be the same in real life but in Dragon Age we basically go on massacres every time we leave Skyhold!

 

I was a little surprised at how vengeful he was but even he seems to know he shouldn't be doing that. He's really easy to talk down. I guess I understand why people would feel differently, though. I just personally imagine that every single companion would be willing to kill someone in that scenario. They're all killers, in the end, when you really think about it.