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[NeverlandHunter]

I don't know about you guys, but this conversation (during Cole's personal quest) always makes me want to turn Cole more human when I'm romancing Solas.
 



 
He just dodges Varric's question. Such a frustrating man. Makes me want to prove him wrong.

Oh yeah, my Lavellan always turns Cole more human. I know some people said Varric was butting into a situation he doesn't understand, and that Solas is the expert (Fade expert!) But honestly, I think Varric knows the situation a lot more than people give him credit for and in some regards better than Sola's.

[Avejajed]

Because Hawke went from being the most attractive character in DA2 (default and you can make gorgeous custom ones) to blehgg in Inquisition (default). She didn't age (that whole year) well...or maybe Varric exaggerated her looks.

This is what irritates me the most. I spent an hour making default Hawke into ****** default Hawke lol. Without her pretty short hair she never looks right.

[scintilla]

Yes, I happen to prefer turning Cole more human anyway (proving Solas wrong is just an added benefit). But it just seems like Solas is talking about himself as much as Cole here.

 

It would be a nice side benefit. 

 

Guys!  I think I have some amazingly good news, but need confirmation.   I've never played a non-Lavellan: does Solas give everyone the balcony speech 5th degree about whether the mark has affected them or their spirit?   

 

Yes, he does.

[Avejajed]

Guys! I think I have some amazingly good news, but need confirmation. I've never played a non-Lavellan: does Solas give everyone the balcony speech 5th degree about whether the mark has affected them or their spirit?

Both my human mage and human warrior got that conversation, yes. Everything but the kiss. Even though they wanted to. Lol.

[soragrey]

Guys!  I think I have some amazingly good news, but need confirmation.   I've never played a non-Lavellan: does Solas give everyone the balcony speech 5th degree about whether the mark has affected them or their spirit?   

He did on my first pt as a human mage.

[Patchwork]

I noticed that when Flemeth activated the geas on my Lavellan that it put glowy rune marks on her face, and I wondered if that had some connection to what the vallaslin used to actually be. I don't think Morrigan's face glows when Flemeth activates the gaes on her, though. Just an observation.

 

The glowy runes could have been what made Arlathan vallaslin slave markings. Each Creator has an individual design but it's also a spell putting the wearer under the Creators power. 

 

As slave markings in themselves vallaslin are near useless, they don't identify an owner just a God but they'd make more sense if the Creators used them as a way to keep score "only 347 new slaves this year June? Even Fen'Harel acquired more than that dear"  

Maybe the unseen magic was also like a barcode saying which noble the slave belongs to. 

[NightSymphony]

Another Solas song

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=34f5cfdY0_c

 

 

"Release"

By The Tea Party

I want the world to wake
I want to give you peace
I want to vindicate
You need to be released

Don't want to hurt you
I need to make you see
If I desert you
Its just to make you see

That I'm a man that's weak
And I'm a man that's lost
I give it all away
To complicate the cost

Don't want to hurt you
I need to make you see
If I desert you
Its just to make you see
I'm not going to hurt you now
I need to make you see
If I desert you now
Its just to make you see

I want you to be free
I want you to be free from me

[madrar]

It would be a nice side benefit. 

 

 

Yes, he does.

 

Even dwarves?!   My god.

 

I think the Anchor's direct connection to the Earth's power is regrowing the Inquisitor's fade shadow.  (Fade shadows and magic theory here)

 

I'm... pretty sure she's becoming immortal.  Or is already.  Having a complete fade shadow is what ancient elven immortality was- a conduit that gave them the innate ability to sustain their physical form by drawing on the fade.  And that's what makes Lavellan in particular being "real"- either completely Elvhen, or getting there- so important, and lets us keep the "Everything's Going To Be OK" tarot card.  

 

Because if she is, he doesn't have to break the Forgotten Ones out of the void to restore his People.  

 

If this is true, this is amazingly good news for Team Optimism.  Brace yourselves: we may actually be bumping bits to restore the Empire.

 

I AM SO EXCITED NOW.

 

WEEEKES.  GAIIIIIIDER.   I knew you wouldn't let us down!!!

[panamakira]

Guys!  I think I have some amazingly good news, but need confirmation.   I've never played a non-Lavellan: does Solas give everyone the balcony speech 5th degree about whether the mark has affected them or their spirit?   

If remember correctly, I think my Trevellyan gets this conversation.

[Sashimi_taco]

Just a quick reminder that Red Lyrium has the ability to speak. And it tried to snitch on Mythal's plan to manipulate Solas into killing her current vessel and carry out her revenge. 

 

[TheComfyCat]

The glowy runes could have been what made Arlathan vallaslin slave markings. Each Creator has an individual design but it's also a spell putting the wearer under the Creators power. 

 

As slave markings in themselves vallaslin are near useless, they don't identify an owner just a God but they'd make more sense if the Creators used them as a way to keep score "only 347 new slaves this year June? Even Fen'Harel acquired more than that dear"  

Maybe the unseen magic was also like a barcode saying which noble the slave belongs to. 

 

They don't identify an owner, but they prevent a slave from escaping and starting a new life. They are always there, an obvious and permanent sign of your status as a slave. I wonder how widely known that spell was that Solas used to remove your vallaslin, at least how well known it was in the days of Arlathan, since it is now all but forgotten.

[nightscrawl]

Hiya Solas fans, sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

 

Was it ever learned what that thing he wears around his neck is? At this point I can't tell if it is supposed to be some sort of stone, or horn, carved wood, or anything along those lines.

[RedMagister]

....He plays it all cool in the beginning, flirts with ease and is not shy about it at all, thinks he's got it under control, but then the whole thing runs away with him and he gets the both burned. He's much like DAO Morrigan who set out to trick the warden into the ritual but then fell in love. So the tease that Solas and her should get a room is quite apt. They are sooo much alike, both rebels and Mythal's children in a way. Almost like twins in spirit. They both look so stupid at the end. They can't see the big picture, can't see it's not as simple as they make it out to be. They just want something good but don't know how to actually make it happen. They plot their own thing but it all goes horribly wrong. I used to think Morrigan was so wise for her age, and she does understand so much about what's going on with the elven gods. But they both get played masterfully in DAI. Mythal is much more the staple mysterious all-knowing goddess who pulls all the strings. Solas is really really young in spirit...

All the gloom and doom emo stuff is part of his teenage heart. "I am so misunderstood, so lonely, I hate myself..." This could be out of any teenager's diary *g* Solas has a LOT of growing up still to do if he wants to restore Thedas.

 

But now I understand why everybody is so in love with that character: a wolf god of ancient wisdom with the wounded heart of a small child and the passion and idealism of a teenager.

He's got that mentor sex appeal AND he activates women's mother/healer complex. Oh boy, Bioware created the perfect trap!

 

 

(This has all been discussed before I'm sure. Sorry I'm late for the party, took me over a month to finish the game, real life is a b*tch.)

though i never compared morrigan and solas, i loved teasing them at the temple :> adorable seeing them bicker.

 

 

I made another elf with the intent of making her the canon one. When Solas takes Lavellan to Skyhold i just thought how much he seemed like a herder, or an orchestrator? He subtly directs and the inquisitor follows along, like a sheep. ... i still do not understand how they care for each other. As interesting as Solas is, romance development fell short though it had a lot of potential. 

 

at least the break up scene was worth it.

[scintilla]

Hiya Solas fans, sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

 

Was it ever learned what that thing he wears around his neck is? At this point I can't tell if it is supposed to be some sort of stone, or horn, carved wood, or anything along those lines.

 

A wolf's jawbone.

[TheComfyCat]

Hiya Solas fans, sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

 

Was it ever learned what that thing he wears around his neck is? At this point I can't tell if it is supposed to be some sort of stone, or horn, carved wood, or anything along those lines.

 

It's a wolf mandible.

 

 

ETA Happy Solas for the top of the page

 

[Kappa Neko]

So wait, this is going off on a tangent, but didn't Fenris say something about how Danarius gave him that pet name as an insult, as a reference to Fen'Harel? It was supposed to be ironic, or just condescending I think...I can't remember the exact dialogue. DA2 also foreshadowed the vallaslin as slave markings....makes me wonder what else they have in common?   

 

 

 

 

Definitely. I think all she says is "Solas...." in this itty bitty voice, and he just stops.

I remember little of DA2 specifics but that could very well be. As you say, there is quite the connection between them. Not a coincidence I'm sure^^

 

Oh, I agree about Sera! I had my biggest issues with her and we were not on good terms...

Yes, Solas' temper is not the worst one and you can talk him down easily. Still a creepy as hell moment for me that did not endear him to me. His radical side is troubling and will cause a lot more suffering if he doesn't learn to control it. Ironically I have a bit of a radical mindset myself that I suppress because it's ugly. Misguided idealism is dangerous and I dislike it in others too. Maybe that's why I'm more sensitive about that stuff. Looking in the mirror and all that, Solas reminds me a lot of my own flaws. I have a hate-love relationship with that character.

[Eivuwan]

Even dwarves?!   My god.

 

I think the Anchor's direct connection to the Earth's power is regrowing the Inquisitor's fade shadow.  (Fade shadows and magic theory here)

 

I'm... pretty she's becoming immortal.  Or is already.  The fade shadow is what ancient elven immortality was- their innate ability to sustain physical form by drawing on the fade.  And that's what makes Lavellan in particular "real"- either completely Elvhen, or getting there- and gives us the "Everything's Going To Be OK" tarot card.  Because he doesn't have to break the Forgotten Ones out of the void to restore his People.  

 

If this is true, this is amazingly good news for Team Optimism.

 

But optimism for me is for them to sacrifice their lives together. I don't really want Lavellan to be immortal.

[zambixi]

Just a quick reminder that Red Lyrium has the ability to speak. And it tried to snitch on Mythal's plan to manipulate Solas into killing her current vessel and carry out her revenge. 

 

 

There are three figures in the lyrium idol FYI:

 

[Sashimi_taco]

There are three figures in the lyrium idol FYI:

 

 

It still looks the same to me. BUT i get what you are saying.

[Addai]

Do you have a source on this?  Not that I don't believe you, I just like sources.

You can see the Twitter string here. It was a generic model never intended to be seen that clearly.

 

[ZerebusPrime]

A little late on my part, but... In the scene where Solas kills a half dozen or so human mages over the loss of the Spirit of Wisdom, what strikes me is less Solas' anger and more the subtle setup:

 

The human mages were the demon-summoning experts of the Mage Circle of Kirkwall.  Think about that for a moment and all the rampaging demons in DA2 and the utter ineffectiveness of the Circle to intervene, detect that there is something wrong with Kirkwall as a whole, etc etc etc.  These idiots have probably gotten hundreds of people killed by virtue of shear incompetence.  Hell, they're probably blood mages.  Odds are any mage who lives in Kirkwall long enough becomes one.

[Patchwork]

They don't identify an owner, but they prevent a slave from escaping and starting a new life. They are always there, an obvious and permanent sign of your status as a slave. I wonder how widely known that spell was that Solas used to remove your vallaslin, at least how well known it was in the days of Arlathan, since it is now all but forgotten.

 

That's the thing though only a handful of people wouldn't have vallaslin, there's only 9 designs so you move to a new place with a high population dedicated to your god and don't draw attention to yourself you can be free. Unless there's more to the vallaslin than there appears to be.

 

I would guess it's a spell only known to the Creators and a few people they trusted. 

[NeverlandHunter]

A little late on my part, but... In the scene where Solas kills a half dozen or so human mages over the loss of the Spirit of Wisdom, what strikes me is less Solas' anger and more the subtle setup:
 
The human mages were the demon-summoning experts of the Mage Circle of Kirkwall.  Think about that for a moment and all the rampaging demons in DA2 and the utter ineffectiveness of the Circle to intervene, detect that there is something wrong with Kirkwall as a whole, etc etc etc.  These idiots have probably gotten hundreds of people killed by virtue of shear incompetence.  Hell, they're probably blood mages.  Odds are any mage who lives in Kirkwall long enough becomes one.

I believe that if they didn't have enough lyrium (and how could they in the middle of the Exalted Plains) they'd have to use blood magic to be powerful enough to summon a demon.
Don't know if this is true, just my assumption

[Sable Rhapsody]

That's the thing though only a handful of people wouldn't have vallaslin, there's only 9 designs so you move to a new place with a high population dedicated to your god and don't draw attention to yourself you can be free. Unless there's more to the vallaslin than there appears to be.

 

I would guess it's a spell only known to the Creators and a few people they trusted. 

 

It may even be unique to Fen'Harel, as the god of rebellion, though he seems to get along well enough with Mythal where she might have known it too.

[Eivuwan]

I wonder if the Creators and the Forgotten Ones were turning elves into a slave army in order to war against each other. Fen'harel and probably Mythal had been trying to keep peace for awhile, but when Andruil went nuts, things became intolerable. Whatever Andruil took from the void spread and many elven slaves + some of the gods became corrupted. Mythal was the first to try to solve the problem by taking the memory of the void from Andruil.

 

However, she was injured in the fight, and was murdered by some of the Creators that became corrupted with the void (I'm guessing it's red lyrium + blight). Now, Fen'harel was the only sane "god" left in the land. He was not able to keep peace between the gods at first because they were too powerful and too clearheaded to fall for his tricks. However, now that they have been driven nuts by the void, it was easy to trick them and seal them.

 

Then he used some special purifying magic (moon healing escalation) to wipe the void from the slaves. Since he was only one person, he did not have the ability to wipe it away without some damage. Most of the elves lost their magical ability and a lot of their memory. The last thing they remember seeing was Fen'harel using his magic on them so bad rumors about him began to spread and we have the story that we have today.