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[TheComfyCat]

That's the thing though only a handful of people wouldn't have vallaslin, there's only 9 designs so you move to a new place with a high population dedicated to your god and don't draw attention to yourself you can be free. Unless there's more to the vallaslin than there appears to be.

 

I would guess it's a spell only known to the Creators and a few people they trusted. 

 

Can we assume that such a vast majority of the population were slaves? I didn't think we knew that much about the culture of Arlathan. Why do you think only a handful of elves were without vallaslin?

[madrar]

Just a quick reminder that Red Lyrium has the ability to speak. And it tried to snitch on Mythal's plan to manipulate Solas into killing her current vessel and carry out her revenge. 

 

 

 

Wait, what?  Are you talking about the Song of red lyrium, or something more specific in DA:2?  

 

I don't mean to shove theory at anyone, but the red lyrium idol is almost certainly Elgar'nan's focus, shattered and locked away.  It depicts his creation myth.  (He's the third figure, growing from the point where the Earth(Mythal) and Sun touch.)

 

 

...which totally just clicked with me in the context of general Magic Theory, and how creation works in Dragon Age.  

 

*salutes Gaider*  

 

Well played, sir.  Well played.

[AWTEW]

A wolf's jawbone.

Are u serious? Thats kind of gross...

[Eivuwan]

Are u serious? Thats kind of gross...

 

Yeah, this is probably not a popular opinion here, but I seem to be the only who thinks it's weird for Solas to wear the bones and skin of his animal. I mean, would you wear your dog's skull and fur?

[TheComfyCat]

Yeah, this is probably not a popular opinion here, but I seem to be the only who thinks it's weird for Solas to wear the bones and skin of his animal. I mean, would you wear your dog's skull and fur?

 

Haven't you seen those dog yarn websites?

[_Lucinia]

Yeah, this is probably not a popular opinion here, but I seem to be the only who thinks it's weird for Solas to wear the bones and skin of his animal. I mean, would you wear your dog's skull and fur?

Maybe that's where the Dread Wolf thing came from.  Not so much that he's a wolf, but that he wears furs and the jawbone.  I have nothing to back that up, just kinda throwing it out there.

[Eivuwan]

Haven't you seen those dog yarn websites?

 

Well, it's a little different from the actual skin and skull. That's more like dog wool.

[OxidantsHappen]

I always thought he wore it as a sign of respect? Like, perhaps it was a wolf that was close to him or something, or just the animal he most identifies with, and he wears it as a token of remembrance or recognition.

[Eivuwan]

Sometimes I think the Qunari were a result of the mating of an elf + a dragon. *Thinks about what that looks like* Ok, magical mind meld mating. Nothing physical.

[Eivuwan]

I always thought he wore it as a sign of respect? Like, perhaps it was a wolf that was close to him or something, or just the animal he most identifies with, and he wears it as a token of remembrance or recognition.

 

Well, that's better I guess. I have to think about it this way or I just get grossed out.

[NeverlandHunter]

Yeah, this is probably not a popular opinion here, but I seem to be the only who thinks it's weird for Solas to wear the bones and skin of his animal. I mean, would you wear your dog's skull and fur?

Isn't it the same as a lucky rabbit's foot? I used to collect bat bones (there was a bat grave yard in the basement windows when I first moved to my childhood home. I didn't wear them granted, but people wear shark teeth and snake jaws all the time.

[Patchwork]

Can we assume that such a vast majority of the population were slaves? I didn't think we knew that much about the culture of Arlathan. Why do you think only a handful of elves were without vallaslin?

 

Traditionally there's always been more commoners/serfs/poor than there are nobles. I assume most of the population were slaves of some sort because I don't see a reason that they wouldn't be. 

[Gwyvian]

I wasn't fazed by Solas at all. Then again I let Leliana turn herself into a raving lunatic so.....

 

Solas is by far the easiest companion to talk down from his rage moment.  Sera's, however, is terrifying.

 

This has always been a fascination for me, the point where a favorite character/possible romance tips over - I can totally empathize with Solas' reaction and I do not stop him, regardless of what I think of the innocent ignorance of the mages. I'm not sure I will do it again, I'm not sure that my character could fully condone it, but I've been faced with this question before, like Garrus when we hunt down the body part harvester. Do I let Garrus kill him? Sometimes. My renegades generally do. But as Archangel? I never let him take the shot. I feel that Sidonis is really already paying the price of his actions in more ways than Garrus could ever do to him. I didn't do it because it's right, but because what happens once vengeance is completed? Nothing, that's what.

 

That said, a lot of Bioware choices I've taken the "let them have vengeance" path exactly because I'm tired of following the paragon path. Yes, it's not right, but in a world that is nowhere near black and white, how can I judge what my companion needs? And as it was said before, we're all killers in the game. How could I deliver a speech about morality without sounding hypocritical when a lot of my big game decisions results in death and destruction? Sometimes the right path isn't the obvious one.

 

Having said that, Zaeed's personal quest was made to torment you if you chose the renegade path. Ick.

 

Also - I agree about Sera, she seemed just out of control to me, blinded by a blanket-hating of anyone of high rank - I let her kill the noble because he did do wrong, and yet I feel like I want to save him just to slap some sense into Sera. I can get down with vengeance to a degree. I cannot condone biased, closed-minded hatred of anything that even remotely resembles someone or something that garnered loathing in the past.

 

Leliana? She terrified me, truly. Mostly because I know what she was like... that is not Leliana, that's some monster that wears her skin. I could accept her like this if this was what she was like throughout, but... I find that the killer in someone is so much more terrifying when the person is, by default, a much more gentle spirit.

[RebbyWriter]

Are u serious? Thats kind of gross...

 

As a kid, I always had a fascination with death. I used to have a box full of bones and I even made a squirrel skull into a necklace.

 

*shrug* I guess that kind of stuff just doesn't phase me.

[Sable Rhapsody]

That said, a lot of Bioware choices I've taken the "let them have vengeance" path exactly because I'm tired of following the paragon path. Yes, it's not right, but in a world that is nowhere near black and white, how can I judge what my companion needs? And as it was said before, we're all killers in the game. How could I deliver a speech about morality without sounding hypocritical when a lot of my big game decisions results in death and destruction? Sometimes the right path isn't the obvious one.

 

This is part of why I love Cole's loyalty quest; neither path results in him taking vengeance, and it's not obvious which choice is "right" or better for Cole.  Spirit and human both have their advantages and drawbacks.  It's a nice twist on BioWare's usual "VENGEANCE IS BAD" companion quest.

 

I also felt like Solas's rage moment wasn't really the point of his quest, so to speak.  It's not like he becomes darker or more vengeful if you let him kill the mages.  It's more about showcasing his essential vulnerability and humanity, and challenging the player's view of what a spirit really is.  He's terribly lonely, and it hits him hard when he loses one of his very few friends who happens to also be a spirit.

[Eivuwan]

Random thought/story:

 

Solas' wolf jawbone came from a small wolf who sacrificed its life to protect Solas from one of the Creators. Of course, being a small wolf, it got smite down immediately. Solas eventually won the battle. He kept the jawbone as a reminder that there is meaning in fighting to protect a loved one even if there is no chance of winning. The actions of the little wolf gave Solas courage to persist in his goals even after multiple failures and obstacles. On the other hand, when Solas kissed Lavellan by the waterfall, he felt the jawbone press against his chest. It jolted him back to reality and reminded him of his duties. Thus, he left Lavellan.

 

 

Not sure whether I love the little wolf or resent it. lol

[Addai]

Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.

[Gwyvian]

This is part of why I love Cole's loyalty quest; neither path results in him taking vengeance, and it's not obvious which choice is "right" or better for Cole.  Spirit and human both have their advantages and drawbacks.  It's a nice twist on BioWare's usual "VENGEANCE IS BAD" companion quest.

 

I also felt like Solas's rage moment wasn't really the point of his quest, so to speak.  It's not like he becomes darker or more vengeful if you let him kill the mages.  It's more about showcasing his essential vulnerability and humanity, and challenging the player's view of what a spirit really is.  He's terribly lonely, and it hits him hard when he loses one of his very few friends who happens to also be a spirit.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I loved Cole's companion quest for this and I also loved that Solas' path didn't really affect him either way, except for disapproval if you stop him. And in hindsight, I kind of feel like sure, he's got reason. My goal as him as my LI is to soothe his pain - as a friend I might stop him, but not as an LI.

But then I thought Garrus was pretty much unaffected, too, if you let him have his vengeance either time - I liked that. He needed to assuage his conscience, and I imagine that Solas is somewhat the same - as a "god," I think guilt weighs on him more than it normally would, because he does theoretically have the kind of power to stop this sort of thing. Lavellan doesn't know this, but I can imagine that she senses it. After all, considering DA:O Dalish origin story where you can just cut down those shems, I don't think a Dalish elf has too many qualms about killing when it's right and it protects those we love.

[Commander of the Grey]

So, starting my exponential numbered playthrough and I realized that I've only had Solas comment twice when the mark makes Quizzy wince in pain. It's usually Varric. This time he stated: (this is after you take the left hand path and get the "You're Dalish" pop up dialogue)

"My magic can not stop your mark from growing further. For your sake, I suggest we hurry."

I was thinking he said something different the last time. Has anyone heard different ones? Or just the same?

[madrar]

Sometimes I think the Qunari were a result of the mating of an elf + a dragon. *Thinks about what that looks like* Ok, magical mind meld mating. Nothing physical.

 

I think there's some pretty good evidence that this is the case. Not that the elves did it, though- that was Tevinter, mucking around with ways to make the Song in mortal blood more powerful.  

 

Sweet irony, the way their "mistake" is coming back to haunt them.  ^w^

[BlueElf2]

I don't know about you guys, but this conversation (during Cole's personal quest) always makes me want to turn Cole more human when I'm romancing Solas.
 



 
He just dodges Varric's question. Such a frustrating man. Makes me want to prove him wrong.

That is partly why I picked the more human option, too. That, and because I just wanted him to be more human....but mostly to prove Solas wrong. LOL

[Addai]

He can say something about that you won't survive long so you have to hurry. I've never heard him say that about the mark. It sounds nicer, like he's concerned about the Inq and not just the Breach. dawww

[panamakira]

I actually don't let Solas kill them. I've would've liked a way to judge those mages formally. I didn't care about them but I felt I wasn't helping Solas in any way by channeling his rage into allowing him to kill out of vengeance. It just felt wrong for him and his state of mind in that moment.