Haha, my first reaction to Solas' personal quest was "Oh, you're a demon expert from KIRKWALL? Nope. Not helping any crazy blood mages today. Go ahead Solas buddy."
I have 2 Lavellans, and one stopped him cause she's the sweetie sort. She totally gave them the bollocking of their life though (cause just the thought of somebody doing that to her fade baby Cole brings out momma bear).
She did it in a very violent and gory way. My 9 year old sister was watching me play the game and I covered her eyes when Sera started her little freak out.Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.
Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.
For me, it's because Solas's is more of an impulsive thing; he doesn't like killing people and under different circumstances, he probably would have let the mages go. He's blinded by his anger and grief, and it doesn't take much to snap him out of it.
I didn't like the idiot noble either, and I think you're right that the Game would have taken his life sooner or later. But Sera's hatred of him was IMO a more systematic, deep-seated hatred of not only him, but people like him. She's furious if the Inquisitor even tries to talk to the guy, and she eventually reaches the point where she kills him if quizzy asks too many questions. Who he is doesn't matter to her; all nobles are interchangeable, and she probably would have killed anyone in his shoes. That's what I found more distressing.
That is partly why I picked the more human option, too. That, and because I just wanted him to be more human....but mostly to prove Solas wrong. LOL
I went for spirit!Cole with my Lavellan. She'd come around to Solas's way of thinking, that you don't have to be human or mortal to be a person, and spirits are people too. I really like spirit!Cole, but I'm tempted to try human!Cole to prove Solas wrong too 
Dude needs to be taken down a peg.
She did it in a very violent and gory way. My 9 year old sister was watching me play the game and I covered her eyes when Sera started her little freak out.
Sera could of just did an arrow to the face or something along those lines. Solas did not kill the mages anywhere near as gruesomely. Blind rage will cause us to do a lot of terrible things, but I think it says a lot about Sera on how she killed him. Hers was a pent up anger and frustration at all nobles and men like him. She just took it all out on him. While Solas's was the anger at having a friend mutilated and killed before his eyes.
Andruil was nuts. Sera is theorized to be Andruil reincarnated by some folks. Sera is nuts because she's Andruil haha.
Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.
Because of her reasons. Solas had a legitimate reason at the death of one he called a friend. Sera? Her hatred isn't specific to that one git. She could have destroyed him in so many ways - but imagine that, e.g. as a noble-born hero in any DA game, you are judged by someone like Sera without being given the benefit of the doubt. Should I be convincing everyone that I'm not like that?
I don't buy that we know this guy was evil, because come on, Sera is a cheerful killer that doesn't ask a lot of questions about the people we slaughter. Plus she expects that everyone should just take her as she is and anyone who doesn't agree with her personality can just screw themselves. So then how does she have a right to presume that all nobles deserve little more than an arrow in the eye?
They made the choice excessively easy for us, we know the guy was a scumbag, which is why I let her kill him. But what if there had been ambiguity there? Can I trust that she's not going to get that over-eager to off someone because she thinks she knows what that person has done? The guy who's corpse she's raving over betrayed her and yet she takes her vengeance?
The problem is, this is idealism over personal goals. Idealism is great - but it also can lead to a very major blindness that, if you're lucky, you can avoid because your actions happen to benefit oppressed people. Yet, this kind of lack of looking at all the facts is what historically is at the root of all the inequality and xenophobia that her attitude is supposedly against.
At least... that's my take on the situation. I realize that I can't argue the point too much because the story was set up so that we see a wicked, wicked noble taking advantage, who wouldn't let her kill him?
I guess you don't want to hear my theory that the wolf jaw could be from a wolf he might have been at one point?
(I don't know. We see that the spirit/essences of Old Gods can be passed from one body to another. Solas speculates that the ancient elven gods could have been extremely powerful mages or spirits. We learn of Mythal's body-jumping - possessing her daughters - and Solas absorbing her power into himself at the post-credits scene. Maybe he's called the Dread Wolf because he was a wolf at one point in his long existence; especially if you subscribe to the idea of the Elven God's spirit possessing/merging into different bodies.)
Hey, if there's a gross way of looking at something, I immediately think of the grossest. (Not enough that he wears the jaw of a dead wolf, what if it's his dead wolf jaw from another body in another life? That's really twisted!)
I think I'll stick with my little wolf story that I made up. It's cuter.
At least... that's my take on the situation. I realize that I can't argue the point too much because the story was set up so that we see a wicked, wicked noble taking advantage, who wouldn't let her kill him?
I didn't, but my Lavellan also didn't let anyone kill anyone if she could swing a decision that way. I don't think she executed a single person other than Magister Erimond, and even Cole says he's an *******. Her penchant for mercy wasn't specific to the jerk in Sera's quest.
I kept waiting for it to bite her in the ass, and it hasn't yet...
He can say something about that you won't survive long so you have to hurry. I've never heard him say that about the mark. It sounds nicer, like he's concerned about the Inq and not just the Breach. dawww
I actually don't let Solas kill them. I've would've liked a way to judge those mages formally. I didn't care about them but I felt I wasn't helping Solas in any way by channeling his rage into allowing him to kill out of vengeance. It just felt wrong for him and his state of mind in that moment.
It's like when you make Cole more human. Varric gives Cole Bianca, making him think killing the templar will help. Cole pulls the trigger, nothing happens, and Varric's like "do you feel better?" And Cole says "no."
Well, that's better I guess. I have to think about it this way or I just get grossed out.
Yes~ he says it in a sad way, too. Knowing he's to blame and she's suffering because of it.
I'll be in a corner with my feels.
This might be a bit creepy, but perhaps the mark allows Solas to see into Lavellan's soul/spirit in a way that he normally can't. He probably knew her in a deep way and she didn't even know it. That's why he fell in love with her so quickly.
This might be a bit creepy, but perhaps the mark allows Solas to see into Lavellan's soul/spirit in a way that he normally can't. He probably knew her in a deep way and she didn't even know it. That's why he fell in love with her so quickly.
That is just... delicious. 
I actually don't let Solas kill them. I've would've liked a way to judge those mages formally. I didn't care about them but I felt I wasn't helping Solas in any way by channeling his rage into allowing him to kill out of vengeance. It just felt wrong for him and his state of mind in that moment.
I felt the same way. My Lavellan got to his personnal quest just after Adamant, where i a fit of pain and rage at having to leave Stroud in the fade went ahead and kicked the wardens out of Orlais, only to have that village slaughtered in a darkspawn attack. She cares nothing for those mages who killed Solas' friend, but she feels enough guilt for her own mistake; she doesn't want Solas to regret killing in anger later on.
It's like when you make Cole more human. Varric gives Cole Bianca, making him think killing the templar will help. Cole pulls the trigger, nothing happens, and Varric's like "do you feel better?" And Cole says "no."
Yes exactly how I felt about it too~ Plus even if he's somebody you're romantically involved with, there are bound to be times when you disagree. You don't have to agree with everything just because he's a LI. If he trusted my Lavellan enough to ask for help then her opinions on the matter were important too. At the end of the day, he still lost his friend, regardless of whether he killed the mages or not.
I felt the same way. My Lavellan got to his personnal quest just after Adamant, where i a fit of pain and rage at having to leave Stroud in the fade went ahead and kicked the wardens out of Orlais, only to have that village slaughtered in a darkspawn attack. She cares nothing for those mages who killed Solas' friend, but she feels enough guilt for her own mistake; she doesn't want Solas to regret killing in anger later on.
Yep. He has enough guilt and regrets and I feel like he would feel bad about it later, not because he killed the mages but because he felt he lost control that way. I would see him coming to his senses later on.
Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.
This might be a bit creepy, but perhaps the mark allows Solas to see into Lavellan's soul/spirit in a way that he normally can't. He probably knew her in a deep way and she didn't even know it. That's why he fell in love with her so quickly.
Sometimes in life, diplomacy is a futile thing and best abandoned early when red flags rise.
I somehow managed to keep my clan alive and well despite not having any spoilage on the right steps/advisors. Just went with my gut after carefully reading the situation each time and carefully looking at each advisors' proposal.
The first step is reassuring your clan that you're all right and not a prisoner. Sending a spy or an army seems like the total opposite of "reassurance", so that was the one and only time I picked Josie.
After that, bandits were attacking. Logically, I sicced Cullen's troops on them.
Then we got a disturbing letter from a noble. Several points of it were italicized for emphasis. A clear message for "read between the lines"... something was very, very wrong but she could do no more but hint to us and hope we got the "real" message, probably because the Venatori spies were monitoring all correspondence and obviously had bewitched the duke. My LOTR senses were tingling and it seemed like Eowyn seeking help for Theodin King afflicted by Wormtongue. Trying to be diplomatic with what seemed like (to me) a clear hostage situation would go nowhere and raise suspicions. Sending an army would be overkill and alert them far before the army could even enter the city. Sending assassins to quietly take care of the spies and, then, later, the corrupted duke seemed most logical.
Final step was Marchers gathering to try and wage a war against the city. Obviously, at this point, troops are needed, so I called upon Cullen one last time. Go. Go save my clan and their newfound allies.
Everything ended happily.
When I sent Cullen with his soldiers on the final War Table mission, my clan died. I had to reload after six hours of post-ending gameplay to try again, and Leliana kept them alive by having the Dalish infiltrate.
Cullen can actually succeed? I knew he said they'd die if I didn't send him, but they died when I did send him. Weird... I wonder if it ties in to one of the other choices? I sent Josephine's diplomat on the first one. I don't remember the others.
Even dwarves?! My god.
I think the Anchor's direct connection to the Earth's power is regrowing the Inquisitor's fade shadow. (Fade shadows and magic theory here)
I'm... pretty sure she's becoming immortal. Or is already. The fade shadow is what ancient elven immortality was- a conduit that gave them the innate ability to sustain their physical form by drawing on the fade. And that's what makes Lavellan in particular being "real"- either completely Elvhen, or getting there- so important, and lets us keep the "Everything's Going To Be OK" tarot card.
Because if she is, he doesn't have to break the Forgotten Ones out of the void to restore his People.
If this is true, this is amazingly good news for Team Optimism. Brace yourselves: we may actually be bumping bits to restore the Empire.
I AM SO EXCITED NOW.
WEEEKES. GAIIIIIIDER. I knew you wouldn't let us down!!!
Just going to politely point out here that not everyone wants a perfect ending (I like happiness, but some don't), and also that not everyone wants to "bump bits for the Empire." Some people don't want kids for their Inquisitor and some don't want sex. I would personally love to have the option, but... don't force it on those who don't want it.
Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.
Because she's shown on screen with her brutality? Because you can't stop her? Because, as others pointed out, she'd have attacked any noble in the same way? Because she actually had a hand in causing the problem that she was attacking him for? Because she is unnecessarily brutal about it? Because she could have killed him with the knife quickly but beat and kicked him to death instead?
Lots of reasons. Sera scares me. I don't like Solas's rage either, but Sera's bothered me even more.
Can we assume that such a vast majority of the population were slaves? I didn't think we knew that much about the culture of Arlathan. Why do you think only a handful of elves were without vallaslin?
I don't have the exact dialog at hand but In The Masked Empire, Felassan basically tells Briala the class structure of Arlathan isn't any different than modern Orlais. There are the nobles and then there are the people that have to clean the privy. So my own takeaway, is that it's probably only the servant / slave class that is marked with the vallaslin. While there tends to be a larger population of lower class, than middle or upper, I still think there would be quite a few elves without the vallaslin marks.
Why are people more freaked out by Sera's quest than Solas'? I didn't care about that idiot noble. He was a Fereldan middling redneck who was mixing himself in the Game- he was bound to be gruesomely murdered and his body tossed into a pit. Sera just sped up the process.
The only people that my Inquisitor stopped from killing anyone, was Leliana with her operative, and Cole. With everyone else her attitude was, "if that's what you've got to do". Felt it would be a little bit hypocritcal of Lavellan after she dedicated herself to the assassin training.
Her screen shots are so pretty..she must have an awesome computer. And her Lavellan is gorgeous!! I wish she had posted the sliders.
http://dalishlady.de...llery/?offset=0
Her screen shots are so pretty..she must have an awesome computer. And her Lavellan is gorgeous!! I wish she had posted the sliders.
it's not that one but I know one save game on nexus similar to her: http://www.nexusmods...1&gid=728&pUp=1
(this save game is not mine,I never post mine own save games or mods)
This might be a bit creepy, but perhaps the mark allows Solas to see into Lavellan's soul/spirit in a way that he normally can't. He probably knew her in a deep way and she didn't even know it. That's why he fell in love with her so quickly.
HEADCANON ACCEPTED
Andruil went crazy because she kept going into the Void, prior to that we don't know her personality (other than the fact she had a thing for Solas).Andruil was nuts. Sera is theorized to be Andruil reincarnated by some folks. Sera is nuts because she's Andruil haha.
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