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[Gwyvian]

I'm not a terribly private person so even though it's a bit creepy it's not massively creepy for me. Sometimes I think it would be nice if people can look past the exterior and empty words and understand each other on a deeper level. Mind meld. But that's just me.

 

I'm totally not creeped out by it exactly because I'm generally a private person. It takes work to be so enigmatic and while being ambiguous is awesome... it takes someone special to be able to crack through that effortlessly and just love you for who you really are. I find that very appealing, considering how many people are constantly wrong about what they see and the fact that they want to change everything that they do pick up on. The greatest gift from anyone to me would be that someone could see and just accept, just love that.

 

Hmm mind meld, yes!

[OxidantsHappen]

LOL nope I'm in the same boat. I wouldn't like to to think that Solas was invading Lavellan's space/mind like that. That's not romantic to me but invasive and creepy. I can take Fade-tongue though!

 especially when there are so many other areas he could invade, and i'm not talking about her mind.

[Sashimi_taco]

 especially when there are so many other areas he could invade, and i'm not talking about her mind.

 

Not to mention that if he invades her mind, that would leave him open to her seeing his. She has the same power as him now, even if she doesn't understand it fully. And by the end of the game, she has more of his power than he does. 

 

Lol you left me and took my equipment but i'll shut every door you open, jerk!

[NeverlandHunter]

I don't see why anyone should be upset with Leli at all, to be honest. lol
 
Solas never did anything to indicate that he was someone Leliana should expend valuable time and resources checking into. Yes, he showed up practically out of nowhere in the middle of a crisis to offer help, but he did exactly that, and continued to do so after the initial attempt to close the Breach. Why would she waste time and effort checking up on someone who wasn't hindering the Inquisition's efforts? She had much more important things to worry about than someone who was helping being a little shady (I mean hello, she's pretty damn shady herself). If Solas had ever actually done anything to harm the Inquisition in any way, I'm pretty sure Leliana would have investigated him and his claims much earlier.
 
The same goes for Blackwall. It benefited the Inquisition to stay quiet about his true identity, so that's what she did. When his true identity comes out, what happens? Well... if you utilized those Warden treaties when you first recruited Blackwall, people get angry about that. If you use the Inquisition's influence to get him out of jail then - you guessed it - people get angry. You then have to waste time and resources placating those people (well, you don't have to, obviously... you can ignore all the war table missions if you really want to) while you're still in the middle of dealing with Corypheus.
 
So yeah, I don't blame Leli for putting Solas investigations on the back burner at all. A slightly shady elf who's still being super helpful was the absolute least of everyone's worries.

I absolutely disagree. It all could of blown up in her face. Both Blackwall and Solas could have had more sinister motives than they did. They could of done real harm to the Inquisition and the Inquisitor. Leliana was the spy master it was her job to seek out ALL POSSIBLE threats. If she's letting these sketchy, but helpful at the time people go along with their business without doing anything, who else is she letting get away with it? This is wartime for the Inquisition there is no time for stupid mistakes or Leliana taking it upon herself to make these judgment calls (the Inquisitor is the leader for a reason). The very least she could of done was tell the Inquisitor about Blackwall (and let the Inquisitor aka the person in charge aka the person travelling with Blackwall aka possibly the person sleeping with him! know who he really was and let her/him decide what to do). With Solas she seriously should of checked out his story before he went on off and disappeared. I mean, I love Solas, but he was the cause that led to the Breach, which means he's at least a littke responsible for all the deaths caused by it. And he has ulterior motives, and...you know he's an ancient elven "god". These might of been important pieces of information to find out. I'd also say that Solas was veeeerrryy suspicious. All his super convenience with timing and " oh, I learned this in the Fade...uh, that too, in the Fade...THE FADE!". Very suspicious, I think I.B. and even Blackwall pick up on it a little bit.
Again, I do like Leliana. She's up on my favorite Dragon Age characters list, but not a good spy master. Not at all.

Although she definitely looks the part

[AWTEW]

You'd think they'd know that there are fans out there who looooooove picking apart every little thing they can get their hands on in an effort to decipher what's going on and what's going to happen next. lol

  they do, and it must also be maddeing at times. Haveing to double and tripple check yourself. being always mindful that what you create will be picked apart.

Sorry, but that's creepy as hell.  I hope I'm not the only one who thinks so.

  i think its creepy too

It's not actually his magic, is the thing.  The orb is Mythal's focus, granted to him after he was restored to the Pantheon as Fen'Harel, way back in Arlathan.  The power of the Anchor is also Mythal's- it's a direct link to the Fade, domain of the Earth.  
 
The most likely reason he's prodding you during that conversation is because the Anchor is having (or has had) a significant effect on the Inquisitor's "presence" in the fade- she's becoming fully present on both sides of the veil, like he is.  This is significant for just every Inquisitor, but has extra special significance for Solavellan, because that's literally what it means to be one of his People.  That's what an ancient Elf is: a split being, half physical, half fade.  
 
It means he's not alone anymore.  And that means he doesn't need to run off to the Void to recover his People.  He has you.  

would make it super weird for a qunari inquisitor though. Maybe the anchor will only have a permanent effect on elf inquisitors.

[Eivuwan]

Sigh, I just want to point out that I didn't say anything about mind reading in my initial post about the mark letting Solas see Lavellan's soul/spirit.

[Sifr]

Reminder: Solas is a butt man.

 

Course, why do you think think he palled around with Mythal? Her first incarnation had some major junk in her trunk...

 

Solas Approves + 100

[panamakira]

I'm not a terribly private person so even though it's a bit creepy it's not massively creepy for me. Sometimes I think it would be nice if people can look past the exterior and empty words and understand each other on a deeper level. Mind meld. But that's just me.

It's funny how my least favorite sci-fi stories are those with any sort of mind meld. I don't know I get about Solas understanding Lavellan at a deeper level and I think their interaction in the Fade and the choices she makes during the journey are what really compels him to her, it's just anything beyond that is not my cup of tea.

 

I didn't go small with that, haha, I recruited the Wardens, which is a massive disapproval from Solas (and I really wish I had that argument with him about it because I was soooo confused at first why he would even care.) Some insight would have been nice. But I let him get his way and I did go on his advice with Cole - he's just so... happy as a spirit, it's hard to put that aside. But I haven't really tried the human path yet. Next PT......

 

Plus, I don't necessarily agree about how Solas might feel later on - I mean, sometimes people deserve to die in a world like DA. I don't see why Solas should have twinges of guilt (especially seeing as he's got something far, far worse to feel bad about already - a couple of mages is like peanuts to that weight on his soul.)

 

lol yeah I recruit the Wardens too. I was "Solas Why U MAD?!" but I had my reasons. I just couldn't send the Wardens away, I felt more comfortable if I could keep an eye on them in any case. Also I've done both choices for Cole and it's whatever you're comfortable with. I kind of like him as human more but I didn't mind the spirit. I can't believe I used to find Cole weird and creepy and he just grew sooo much on me. I adore him!

 

Also as I said, I don't think Solas would feel bad about killing the mages but about losing control. That's one of the very few times we see him grow incredibly emotional. I just felt he wasn't in the right state of mind and wouldn't appreciate himself making a decision based only on emotion, I don't know.

[NeverlandHunter]

Although according to Solas, Andruil did hunt elves. I mean, some of the hate is well-deserved.

Hmm. I don't remember that dialogue. When did it happen? The temple of Mythal?

[OxidantsHappen]

Not to mention that if he invades her mind, that would leave him open to her seeing his. She has the same power as him now, even if she doesn't understand it fully. And by the end of the game, she has more of his power than he does. 

 

Lol you left me and took my equipment but i'll shut every door you open, jerk!

 

That too! 

 

but I was making a joke about sex. because that's what i do

 

EDIT: the joking that is

[AWTEW]

It's not actually his magic, is the thing.  The orb is Mythal's focus, granted to him after he was restored to the Pantheon as Fen'Harel, way back in Arlathan.  The power of the Anchor is also Mythal's- it's a direct link to the Fade, domain of the Earth.  

 

The most likely reason he's prodding you during that conversation is because the Anchor is having (or has had) a significant effect on the Inquisitor's "presence" in the fade- she's becoming fully present on both sides of the veil, like he is.  This is significant for just every Inquisitor, but has extra special significance for Solavellan, because that's literally what it means to be one of his People.  That's what an ancient Elf is: a split being, half physical, half fade.  

 

It means he's not alone anymore.  And that means he doesn't need to run off to the Void to recover his People.  He has you.  

 

If that is the case,he could have just re-populated the elven with Lavellan  . So why leave?

[panamakira]

 

I kind of take it that he can see glimpses, and get a better sense of how she feels, but not everything. 

 

I still love that in the Fade dream, essentially she seeks him out and not the other way around. He's a private person, he wouldn't invade privacy like that on purpose. 

THIS! I really feel strongly about that. I think Solas respects you enough to do any type of invasion without her permission. Maybe. Fade-tongue doesn't count though. He's welcome to that.

 

 especially when there are so many other areas he could invade, and i'm not talking about her mind.

If your intention was to take my mind to the gutter, it totally went there before you finished that sentence.

 

Fade-Tongue......no shaaame....

[madrar]

 

 

THEN HE SHOULD FLIPPIN COME BACK BECAUSE I'LL TERRWYN WILL TAKE ON THE WORLD WITH HIM

 

 

You know, I half suspect it might go a little something like that.  An entirely split path that comes back together and the end, like Templars/Mages in DA:I.  One event route for Solavellan playthrough, one event route for everyone else.

 

DLC really can not come fast enough.  

[Eivuwan]

Hmm. I don't remember that dialogue. When did it happen? The temple of Mythal?

 

"In the Temple of Mythal, Solas reveals that, contrary to Dalish depictions, Andruil was actually known as the Goddess of Sacrifice, who had hunted elves as well as animals."

 

http://dragonage.wik...il#cite_note-18

 

I wasn't completely paying attention during the first playthrough and I'm not done with the second one yet. But if the wiki is correct...

[Eivuwan]

THIS! I really feel strongly about that. I think Solas respects you enough to do any type of invasion without her permission. Maybe. Fade-tongue doesn't count though. He's welcome to that.

 

 

What if it's just an effect of the magic. Something that happened before he could control it?

 

Edit: Oh my top of page again. Spoiler because of size.

 

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http://falsesecurity...hes.tumblr.com/

 

[sunhair]

ahh just did the mages quest again red lyrium Solas not fun

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[NeverlandHunter]

"In the Temple of Mythal, Solas reveals that, contrary to Dalish depictions, Andruil was actually known as the Goddess of Sacrifice, who had hunted elves as well as animals."
 
http://dragonage.wik...il#cite_note-18
 
I wasn't completely paying attention during the first playthrough and I'm not done with the second one yet. But if the wiki is correct...

Oops. Maybe they were bad elves?
...
Yeah, I got nothing.
Bad Andruil, bad!
:'( I defended you!

[madrar]

Hmm. I don't remember that dialogue. When did it happen? The temple of Mythal?

 

She's described as "hunting" the beasts of the Void, but that's myth-talk for tracking down and getting chummy with the Forgotten Ones, violators of Elgar'nan's Order, who are imprisoned there in monstrous form.  

 

Andruil/Sera is on the far side of the Order-Chaos scale in the Pantheon.  (Screw the big hats, yeah?) Why Elgar'nan doesn't just toss her in and throw away the key is a bit of a mystery.  

 

...OH.  Probably her thing with Ghilain'nain.  Elgar'nan can't kick Sera from the Pantheon, because he absolutely needs Ghil.  That makes sense.

[nranola]

This is what irritates me the most. I spent an hour making default Hawke into ****** default Hawke lol. Without her pretty short hair she never looks right.

 

I made one that I think looks pretty close. Here are the sliders if you want them: http://bit.ly/daifemhawkesliders 

 

 

Sometimes I think the Qunari were a result of the mating of an elf + a dragon. *Thinks about what that looks like* Ok, magical mind meld mating. Nothing physical.

 

I don't know if it's dragon + elves, although the ears do seem to suggest that... Pretty sure there's some truth to the kossith being part dragon, though. Iron Bull gives you this whole conversation about it. I doubt the writers put that in there just for giggles. ...or they could have, but dammit, the writers are sneeeeaky. 

 

 

It's like when you make Cole more human. Varric gives Cole Bianca, making him think killing the templar will help. Cole pulls the trigger, nothing happens, and Varric's like "do you feel better?" And Cole says "no."

 

Let me just say, it says a lot about how much Varric cares for Cole when he let him hold Bianca. Actually. Hold. Bianca. I've never seen him do that with anyone else thus far.

[NeverlandHunter]

Reminder: Solas is a butt man.

He didn't do a very good job with picking Lavellan then
Edit: Unless you mean his butt, which is *_*
Our Lavellan's are butt girls!

[Mims]

Haha. For science I dumped Solas just to see what happened in the final scene. I had heard you guys say he did the sad walk, I did not literally think he did the sad walk. I half expected arrested development gag music to play. [clip has language] 

[madrar]

  they do, and it must also be maddeing at times. Haveing to double and tripple check yourself. being always mindful that what you create will be picked apart.  i think its creepy too would make it super weird for a qunari inquisitor though. Maybe the anchor will only have a permanent effect on elf inquisitors.

 

Hmm?  Why would it be particularly weird for Qunari?

[panamakira]

What if it's just an effect of the magic. Something that happened before he could control it?

Then that is completely out of my hands. I'm not discarding your theory, for all we know it could be true but I find it personally not as romantic as some, just not what I would find endearing I guess. Not sure how else to explain, sorry.

[NeverlandHunter]

She's described as "hunting" the beasts of the Void, but that's myth-talk for tracking down and getting chummy with the Forgotten Ones, violators of Elgar'nan's Order, who are imprisoned there in monstrous form.  
 
Andruil/Sera is on the far side of the Order-Chaos scale in the Pantheon.  Screw the big hats, yeah?  Why Elgar'nan doesn't toss her in and throw away the key is a bit of a mystery.  
 
...OH.  Probably her thing with Ghilain'nain.  Elgar'nan can't kick Sera from the Pantheon, because he absolutely needs Ghil.  That makes sense.

Uh, you seem very sure about the Sera is Andruil theory.
I rather hope that that isn't the case. I like Sera for who she is and rather her not have all that reincarnation baggage. Plus, I haven't seen anything to really convince me of the connection other than a image that sort of looks like her vallaslin and the fact they're both archers.

[Dr. Doctor]

She's described as "hunting" the beasts of the Void, but that's myth-talk for tracking down and getting chummy with the Forgotten Ones, violators of Elgar'nan's Order, who are imprisoned there in monstrous form.  
 
Andruil/Sera is on the far side of the Order-Chaos scale in the Pantheon.  (Screw the big hats, yeah?) Why Elgar'nan doesn't just toss her in and throw away the key is a bit of a mystery.  
 
...OH.  Probably her thing with Ghilain'nain.  Elgar'nan can't kick Sera from the Pantheon, because he absolutely needs Ghil.  That makes sense.

Ghilain'nain will banish you to a realm where you will hear nothing but the sounds that the Red Hart makes...forever.