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Then that is completely out of my hands. I'm not discarding your theory, for all we know it could be true but I find it personally not as romantic as some, just not what I would find endearing I guess. Not sure how else to explain, sorry.

 

I mean this is not romantic, but it's also possible that Solas did invade the inquisitor's privacy. This is because his powerful magic is in the hands of someone he does not know at all. He needed to make sure this person is a decent person in order to figure out his next steps. It's another case in which he values the ends over the methods.


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If that is the case,he could have just re-populated the elven with Lavellan :D . So why leave?

 

The meta-game reason is that they had to stick the same ending on the game for everyone.  ^w^  And whether or not he goes to the Void alone (this is where I suspect the game to split along Lavellan/Other lines) he's still got a Plan that needs doing.  Somebody has to gather the forces of Balance/Chaos to take on Order, because the showdown is coming fast, and it's going to be pretty ugly when it hits.


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He didn't do a very good job with picking Lavellan then :P
Edit: Unless you mean his butt, which is *_*
Our Lavellan's are butt girls!

 

For such a small woman, Lavellan has a respectable butt. Like she's so tiny but her butt looks like she does squats and runs. It must be all the jumping. 


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LOL nope I'm in the same boat. I wouldn't like to to think that Solas was invading Lavellan's space/mind like that. That's not romantic to me but invasive and creepy. I can take Fade-tongue though!

 

Isn't this basically what Cole does all the time?


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For such a small woman, Lavellan has a respectable butt. Like she's so tiny but her butt looks like she does squats and runs. It must be all the jumping.

Lol. Very true XD

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I posted this already a couple days ago..butt I think it's rather fitting at the moment to post it again..

 

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Isn't this basically what Cole does all the time?

 

Well, there are players who don't like Cole for this reason.


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I absolutely disagree. It all could of blown up in her face. Both Blackwall and Solas could have had more sinister motives than they did. They could of done real harm to the Inquisition and the Inquisitor. Leliana was the spy master it was her job to seek out ALL POSSIBLE threats. If she's letting these sketchy, but helpful at the time people go along with their business without doing anything, who else is she letting get away with it? This is wartime for the Inquisition there is no time for stupid mistakes or Leliana taking it upon herself to make these judgment calls (the Inquisitor is the leader for a reason). The very least she could of done was tell the Inquisitor about Blackwall (and let the Inquisitor aka the person in charge aka the person travelling with Blackwall aka possibly the person sleeping with him! know who he really was and let her/him decide what to do). With Solas she seriously should of checked out his story before he went on off and disappeared. I mean, I love Solas, but he was the cause that led to the Breach, which means he's at least a littke responsible for all the deaths caused by it. And he has ulterior motives, and...you know he's an ancient elven "god". These might of been important pieces of information to find out. I'd also say that Solas was veeeerrryy suspicious. All his super convenience with timing and " oh, I learned this in the Fade...uh, that too, in the Fade...THE FADE!". Very suspicious, I think I.B. and even Blackwall pick up on it a little bit.

I never said anything about Leliana letting them get away with anything. Let me put what I was trying to get at in another way.

 

It's been shown many times that Leliana has eyes and ears everywhere. She most definitely had someone watching both Solas and Blackwall and... everyone, actually. She wasn't ignoring them. She was prioritizing. Solas's shadiness and Blackwall's false identity were not a top priority in the grand scheme of things. You bet your butt if Solas had ever tripped up in any way, Leli's eyes and ears would have picked up on it, and she would have investigated him further. But he didn't trip up. Not enough to make checking further into his story a priority, anyway.

 

And yes, I can agree that Leliana should have informed the Inquisitor about Blackwall, especially if said Inquisitor was entering into a romance with him. But unfortunately, informing the player about Blackwall's false identity so early in the game is not what the writers wanted to do. It would have taken away the surprise of the "big reveal" (though hindsight shows there were plenty of hints).

 

Also, Leliana's not the only one letting known criminals and potential troublemakers assist the Inquisition. If you recruit the Templars, the templar complaining to Cassandra in Haven mentions how the Inquisition is harboring known criminal mages, and I think we all know what Cassandra says about that. "Deal. With. It."

 

In a situation like the one the Inquisition has to deal with, you let anyone and everyone help, regardless of their background. Obviously you don't just blindly let everyone run around doing whatever they want willy-nilly, but you don't turn them away either.

 

(ALSO... do you really think Leliana would have been able to discover that Solas is Fen'Harel or even that he had a connection to the Breach and Cory's orb? I don't think so [no offense to Leliana's skills]. lol)


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It's not actually his magic, is the thing.  The orb is Mythal's focus, granted to him after he was restored to the Pantheon as Fen'Harel, way back in Arlathan.  The power of the Anchor is also Mythal's- it's a direct link to the Fade, domain of the Earth.  

 

The most likely reason he's prodding you during that conversation is because the Anchor is having (or has had) a significant effect on the Inquisitor's "presence" in the fade- she's becoming fully present on both sides of the veil, like he is.  This is significant for just every Inquisitor, but has extra special significance for Solavellan, because that's literally what it means to be one of his People.  That's what an ancient Elf is: a split being, half physical, half fade.  

 

It means he's not alone anymore.  And that means he doesn't need to run off to the Void to recover his People.  He has you.  

 

When you say Solas is fully present on both sides of the Veil, do you mean in the Raw Fade? Because he gave me the impression that he had genuinely never been there before.



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Solas definitely has a healthy appreciation for that behind. Either that, or the animators. He practically said goodbye to it. 



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Uh, you seem very sure about the Sera is Andruil theory.
I rather hope that that isn't the case. I like Sera for who she is and rather her not have all that reincarnation baggage. Plus, I haven't seen anything to really convince me of the connection other than a image that sort of looks like her vallaslin and the fact they're both archers.

 
er... I'm not sure if that's a request for full elven reincarnation theory dump, or the exact opposite. 
 
It's kind of central to Solas and his place in the DA universe, but if it's not your thing, no worries!  I'll zip it.  @w@


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Solas can be a bit mean

 

Spoilers for size. Fanart

 

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When you say Solas is fully present on both sides of the Veil, do you mean in the Raw Fade? Because he gave me the impression that he had genuinely never been there before.

 

ahahaha, yeah.  He does give that impression.  He also does the same "wow, gee wiz!" thing about rift magic when he first meets you, and is totally shocked to find out that magic can be used to manipulate space-time later in the game.

 

None of it is remotely true, but it's kind of adorable to watch.   ^w^ 


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For such a small woman, Lavellan has a respectable butt. Like she's so tiny but her butt looks like she does squats and runs. It must be all the jumping. 

 

I must admit, I spent a lot of my playthrough watching her run and silently bro-fisting Solas.


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ahahaha, yeah.  He does give that impression.  He also does the same "wow, gee wiz!" thing about rift magic when he first meets you, and is totally shocked to find out that magic can be used to manipulate space-time later in the game.

 

None of it is remotely true, but it's kind of adorable to watch.   ^w^ 

 

I don't think you can fake this expression

 

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I don't think you can fake this expression

 

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And now we know his O face... :lol:


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And now we know his O face... :lol:

Dude, I took some screenshots earlier and I got plenty of Cullen's and Solas'! Lol...I was trying so hard to get some good screenshots, but they seemed intent on expression their frustrations...or relief...

 

I'll have to upload them at some point!


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I never said anything about Leliana letting them get away with anything. Let me put what I was trying to get at in another way.
 
It's been shown many times that Leliana has eyes and ears everywhere. She most definitely had someone watching both Solas and Blackwall and... everyone, actually. She wasn't ignoring them. She was prioritizing. Solas's shadiness and Blackwall's false identity were not a top priority in the grand scheme of things. You bet your butt if Solas had ever tripped up in any way, Leli's eyes and ears would have picked up on it, and she would have investigated him further. But he didn't trip up. Not enough to make checking further into his story a priority, anyway.
 
And yes, I can agree that Leliana should have informed the Inquisitor about Blackwall, especially if said Inquisitor was entering into a romance with him. But unfortunately, informing the player about Blackwall's false identity so early in the game is not what the writers wanted to do. It would have taken away the surprise of the "big reveal" (though hindsight shows there were plenty of hints).
 
Also, Leliana's not the only one letting known criminals and potential troublemakers assist the Inquisition. If you recruit the Templars, the templar complaining to Cassandra in Haven mentions how the Inquisition is harboring known criminal mages, and I think we all know what Cassandra says about that. "Deal. With. It."
 
In a situation like the one the Inquisition has to deal with, you let anyone and everyone help, regardless of their background. Obviously you don't just blindly let everyone run around doing whatever they want willy-nilly, but you don't turn them away either.
 
(ALSO... do you really think Leliana would have been able to discover that Solas is Fen'Harel or even that he had a connection to the Breach and Cory's orb? I don't think so. lol)


So sleepy. I'll try to put this into a coherent thought instead of unintelligible dribble ;)

You say she has eyes and ears everywhere yet she needs to prioritize. Now saying that she indeed does not have the resources to be everywhere, she put Solas, someone who has the Inquisitor's ear and is present for many of the main Inquisition milestones on the "back burner". Leliana may be a good judge of character, but she didn't know Solas (his past included) well enough to know what he was capable of. Solas was a companion, and possibly a romance, for the Inquisitor. Not checking up on him was a mistake (it could of turned out very badly if Solas wasn't the Solas we know and love), and irresponsible as a spy master. And what if the tripping up was something that was crippling to the Inquisition? Could of turned out to be a horrible mistake.

Well, yes, of course the writers wanted to keep that secret, just like they wanted to keep Solas's identity a secret. It was their choice...and with it they made Leliana a bad spy master. Defending her not sharing information about Blackwall (if that's what you're doing) by saying it wouldn't have worked out with what the writers had planned isn't a very good defense :-/

No, Leliana isn't the only one letting known criminals run around...she's just the, you know...
spy master
And it isn't the letting criminals run around that makes me uncomfortable about Leliana's position as spy master. It's her keeping information from the Inquisitor and not properly checking into the back stories of the people working for the Inquisition. Especially the companions, and double especially the uber suspicious ones *cough* Solas *cough*.

You can certainly turn people away. We have the option all the time as the Inquisitor. But I do agree you should use all the tools you have at your disposal. Which you do. Your Inquisitor can take in a number of shady characters into the Inquisition. They do that, and then the spy master checks them out and keeps tabs on them, making sure they won't cause problems for the Inquisition. Now neither Solas nor Blackwall do cause the Inquisition any problems (okay Blackwall may have cost you some street cred and Solas irreversible emotional damage) but they COULD have. And it would of been Leliana's fault.

No, I don't think our dear Princess Stabbity could have figured all that out. What her spies would have found would have been more questions. Questions Leliana could have given the Inquisitor and the Inquisitor then could have decided what to do with them. Maybe if our Inquisitor did confront Solas about all these odd things surrounding him he would of come clean...maybe he would of left the Inquisition. You can't know because Leliana epicly (real word....probably not) failed at her job.

My arms feel like lead! Leliana, look at the grief you have caused me!
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lol yeah I recruit the Wardens too. I was "Solas Why U MAD?!" but I had my reasons. I just couldn't send the Wardens away, I felt more comfortable if I could keep an eye on them in any case. Also I've done both choices for Cole and it's whatever you're comfortable with. I kind of like him as human more but I didn't mind the spirit. I can't believe I used to find Cole weird and creepy and he just grew sooo much on me. I adore him!

 

Does Solas bawl the Inquisitor out for keeping the Wardens?

 

I remember getting a "Solas Greatly Disapproves" alert right away, and he sighed in exasperation, but the scene continued. I expected to get chewed out by it afterwards, but when I talked to him after Here Lies the Abyss I got the "All New, Faded For Her" quest request instead.

 

If I missed a "How could you keep the Wardens?!" cutscene that was supposed to trigger, I'm happy for it, but I just want to know.


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Does Solas bawl the Inquisitor out for keeping the Wardens?

 

I remember getting a "Solas Greatly Disapproves" alert right away, and he sighed in exasperation, but the scene continued. I expected to get chewed out by it afterwards, but when I talked to him after Here Lies the Abyss I got the "All New, Faded For Her" quest request instead.

 

If I missed a "How could you keep the Wardens?!" cutscene that was supposed to trigger, I'm happy for it, but I just want to know.

 

I don't believe he has one. What happens is that if you hit a certain level of disapproval, he'll go on one massive rant that recounts anything that he disagreed with, including keeping the wardens. 


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er... I'm not sure if that's a request for full elven reincarnation theory dump, or the exact opposite. 
 
It's kind of central to Solas and his place in the DA universe, but if it's not your thing, no worries!  I'll zip it.  @w@


Lol. Don't let me stop you from sharing! I don't like reincarnation, but that's my own gripe :) your theories are very interesting reads, even if I don't always buy into them.
I'm a bit if a cynic anyway. When the Solas spoiler thread was talking about him possibly being Fen'Harel I was like "ha, yeah, like BioWare would go and make an ancient elven god one of your companions!"
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Little did I know :D
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I think everyone should feel free to share their theories here. As long as we don't start thinking that ours has to be the right one, we're ok.


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Sigh, I just want to point out that I didn't say anything about mind reading in my initial post about the mark letting Solas see Lavellan's soul/spirit.

 

On my part at least the mind meld was more of "fandoms collide inside me momentarily" - I'm appreciative of the difference and would prefer this type of soul/spirit connection in the DA context. Fits better.

 

It's funny how my least favorite sci-fi stories are those with any sort of mind meld. I don't know I get about Solas understanding Lavellan at a deeper level and I think their interaction in the Fade and the choices she makes during the journey are what really compels him to her, it's just anything beyond that is not my cup of tea.

 

lol yeah I recruit the Wardens too. I was "Solas Why U MAD?!" but I had my reasons. I just couldn't send the Wardens away, I felt more comfortable if I could keep an eye on them in any case. Also I've done both choices for Cole and it's whatever you're comfortable with. I kind of like him as human more but I didn't mind the spirit. I can't believe I used to find Cole weird and creepy and he just grew sooo much on me. I adore him!

 

Also as I said, I don't think Solas would feel bad about killing the mages but about losing control. That's one of the very few times we see him grow incredibly emotional. I just felt he wasn't in the right state of mind and wouldn't appreciate himself making a decision based only on emotion, I don't know.

 

Aww, yes, Cole  <3

 

I agree, I thought to myself that (outside of my obvious bias towards Wardens after DA:O) the Wardens are best kept in plain sight lest they start getting ideas like infiltrating back into the country without any checks on them. As long as Venatori could ostensibly control them, I'd rather keep an eye on them, and I do believe in-game that they have redeeming qualities. IF our dearest Solas had confided in us and told us who he is, then perhaps I would have taken a different stance - so that's on his beautifully shiny head that he can't explain to me why the only order in all of Thedas that can stop the freaking BLIGHT should be an organization I scorn. Yes, they made some baaad moves, but by that point I had to make some pretty shady decisions just because I'm in charge of everything all of a sudden.

 

As to Solas - I can see where you're coming from with the losing control thing. But then, I'd rather he make a rash action out of passion than out of cold, rational thought, and waiting for him to sink into that calm place would not have assuaged the pain, only sharpened it to a ruthless dagger - if he had waited for it, the implications would go deeper, the burden of taking those lives would become much more deliberate. At least, that's my take on it.

 

Plus... up till that point I thought he was always so controlled, what he needs is not more of that, but release. That's what I wanted to offer, and that sometimes includes letting emotion guide you, as long as there are limits on it. Normally this wouldn't be on the right level, I mean, killing a bunch of people is not my idea of "release," but we're talking in DAI context - I wanted to find the spots that Solas actually cares deeply about, because those are the points where you get to know him best. If he can let himself feel that pain and cement it forever, it's like he just created a foothold for me to peer over his walls. Plus I would have been spitting mad if our positions were reversed and he stopped me.

 

Truthfully, though, I wasn't sure what would happen. How is it that fights normally take so long and all of a sudden Solas is able to wipe them all out with a stroke of power? Hmmmm, suspiciouuuus.

 

THIS! I really feel strongly about that. I think Solas respects you enough to do any type of invasion without her permission. Maybe. Fade-tongue doesn't count though. He's welcome to that.

 

If your intention was to take my mind to the gutter, it totally went there before you finished that sentence.

 

Fade-Tongue......no shaaame....

 

Well, to clarify my position on this at least, I identify with this sentiment, too. My romantic mind constructed something more along these lines: on a spirit level (and as I said above, I do not mean rummaging around in my head), he probably has waaaay more power to visit/learn about anyone's spirit than anyone else in existence (to our present knowledge and with the possible exception of other "gods" real or otherwise). He does have a connection, a bond struck up with Lavellan that is unintentional, but also I'd like to imagine it in a way that he has the power to "see you truly" in spirit and restrains himself exactly because he knows that he wants to draw closer... I think that explains his whole hesitation in the Fade kiss scene. He knows that he's about to let his mask slip and "learn" you in a very intimate, Fade-y way (yes, I know that was lame). He respects your privacy and yet finds your spirit irresistible, there is a potential for deep understanding that goes beyond merely being lovers. And he may have a partner not just physically, but in the Fade! That's huge for someone so alone and so much in his element there.

 

So, I think that he wants nothing more than to go to you, yet instead he kind of "draws you in" by initiating the means to get you into your dreams. It's of your own volition, but he does not have to sacrifice his principles or violate his respect for you by going "too far too soon."

 

This totally has more laced in it than I intended originally, but ah well.

 

ahahaha, yeah.  He does give that impression.  He also does the same "wow, gee wiz!" thing about rift magic when he first meets you, and is totally shocked to find out that magic can be used to manipulate space-time later in the game.

 

None of it is remotely true, but it's kind of adorable to watch.   ^w^ 

 

Yeees, but he could just be totally happy to finally be there again and needs a great excuse to mask his uncontrollable enthusiasm and relief. I interpret that in hindsight as... reminiscent. He hasn't been there in so long, and he's amazed that Lavellan could make this happen in the first place.



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Does Solas bawl the Inquisitor out for keeping the Wardens?

 

I remember getting a "Solas Greatly Disapproves" alert right away, and he sighed in exasperation, but the scene continued. I expected to get chewed out by it afterwards, but when I talked to him after Here Lies the Abyss I got the "All New, Faded For Her" quest request instead.

 

If I missed a "How could you keep the Wardens?!" cutscene that was supposed to trigger, I'm happy for it, but I just want to know.

 

Exactly what I was wondering, but as I surmised, I think if you generally have a high approval for him, he won't rant at you.

 

Aww, but that huff of disappointment.... *sigh*



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O.o 
"‘Take me, Mistress Dread Wolf.’ He moaned blushing and pressing his face into his arm."

 

Kinda wigs me out with the Mistress thing but if anyone want's it.

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