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[NeverlandHunter]

Look what I found!

Joannekwan https://www.tumblr.c...ch/solas fanart

[Eivuwan]

Although this theory of mine is a total fact. It is well supported by the lore and all the dialogues.

 

Solas used to be Andruil's pet wolf. Lavellan was Andruil's pet halla. By being around gods all the time they slowly gained sapience. They start to see that even though they were not treated poorly, some of the other animals were. They were especially sad to find out that some of the elves who washed them and fed them were used as hunting bait. They started a rebellion. You can imagine the rest.

[NeverlandHunter]

I think everyone should feel free to share their theories here. As long as we don't start thinking that ours has to be the right one, we're ok.

You're absolutely right!
It doesn't really matter anyway. Since this is just another story Varric has written and we are all only the characters in his head *_*

[Birdy]

Although this theory of mine is a total fact. It is well supported by the lore and all the dialogues.

 

Solas used to be Andruil's pet wolf. Lavellan was Andruil's pet halla. By being around gods all the time they slowly gained sapience. They start to see that even though they were not treated poorly, some of the other animals were. They were especially sad to find out that some of the elves who washed them and fed them were used as hunting bait. They started a rebellion. You can imagine the rest.

[Eivuwan]

You're absolutely right!
It doesn't really matter anyway. Since this is just another story Varric has written and we are all only the characters in his head *_*

 

[Mims]

Look what I found!

Joannekwan https://www.tumblr.c...ch/solas fanart

 

Haha. Cassandra looks like she's thinking: 'This is a scene from my fic...!' 

 

She has become Literature Girl. 

[Sifr]

So sleepy. I'll try to put this into a coherent thought instead of unintelligible dribble

You say she has eyes and ears everywhere yet she needs to prioritize. Now saying that she indeed does not have the resources to be everywhere, she put Solas, someone who has the Inquisitor's ear and is present for many of the main Inquisition milestones on the "back burner". Leliana may be a good judge of character, but she didn't know Solas (his past included) well enough to know what he was capable of. Solas was a companion, and possibly a romance, for the Inquisitor. Not checking up on him was a mistake (it could of turned out very badly if Solas wasn't the Solas we know and love), and irresponsible as a spy master. And what if the tripping up was something that was crippling to the Inquisition? Could of turned out to be a horrible mistake.

Well, yes, of course the writers wanted to keep that secret, just like they wanted to keep Solas's identity a secret. It was their choice...and with it they made Leliana a bad spy master. Defending her not sharing information about Blackwall (if that's what you're doing) by saying it wouldn't have worked out with what the writers had planned isn't a very good defense :-/

No, Leliana isn't the only one letting known criminals run around...she's just the, you know...
spy master
And it isn't the letting criminals run around that makes me uncomfortable about Leliana's position as spy master. It's her keeping information from the Inquisitor and not properly checking into the back stories of the people working for the Inquisition. Especially the companions, and double especially the uber suspicious ones *cough* Solas *cough*.

You can certainly turn people away. We have the option all the time as the Inquisitor. But I do agree you should use all the tools you have at your disposal. Which you do. Your Inquisitor can take in a number of shady characters into the Inquisition. They do that, and then the spy master checks them out and keeps tabs on them, making sure they won't cause problems for the Inquisition. Now neither Solas nor Blackwall do cause the Inquisition any problems (okay Blackwall may have cost you some street cred and Solas irreversible emotional damage) but they COULD have. And it would of been Leliana's fault.

No, I don't think our dear Princess Stabbity could have figured all that out. What her spies would have found would have been more questions. Questions Leliana could have given the Inquisitor and the Inquisitor then could have decided what to do with them. Maybe if our Inquisitor did confront Solas about all these odd things surrounding him he would of come clean...maybe he would of left the Inquisition. You can't know because Leliana epicly (real word....probably not) failed at her job.

My arms feel like lead! Leliana, look at the grief you have caused me!

 

Here here!

 

I completely agree that she should have come to us with her concerns about Solas and Blackwall sooner, even if it wasn't so much tipping the hat to something being up with them, but simply informing us of what the codex already told us in Solas' case, that the village he claimed to have come from had been abandoned for centuries, so something was up?

 

Or with Blackwall, that his story about being in Ferelden during the Blight didn't add up either with the fact that the real Blackwall was in Val Chevin and his reaction to Loghain closing the borders was basically "F**k 'em". Even if it was something as minor as name-dropping Riordan to see if he recognised it or not, or asking if he came over the border with him and avoided Howe's trap?

 

Then again, there are some really shady people in the Inquisition anyway. If you're a Cadash or an Adaar, you also count as one of them, having been a member of the dwarven mafia and a Qunari mercenary band, so it's not like you've got a spotless record with which to judge people with (something Blackwall even lampshades) when it comes to unsavoury pasts?

 

But I think you're mostly right, Leliana drops the ball at times.

 

Like how she lets her own bitterness and dislike of Morrigan come through when she starts suggesting that she's using blood magic at court (sure, we never find out that's not the case, but still?) and she openly distrusts her when she joins the Inquisition. This is despite Morrigan being rather open about everything to the Inquisitor, giving you tons of information that you need and being a highly useful ally?

 

Actually, the more I think about it... Morrigan's actually more open about things than Leliana, who always keeps herself closed off and barely tells you anything personal about herself?

[Birdy]

UNICORN SOLAS TO THE RESCUE!!!

 

[Birdy]

[NeverlandHunter]

This is the only version of Dragon Age I've ever played!

(Seriously though, I've never seen this before, and now, now I'm dying XD)

[Sifr]

 

 

Solas borrowed the unicorn from Neil Patrick Harris, who is on his bowling team in the Fade.

 

True story.

[Mims]

That picture gives me a random thought. And since we are mulling speculations...

 

There's a lot of similarities between Morrigan and Solas, when you think about it. Both in what they appear to be [apostate mages], and what they actually are. [somewhat morally grey anti-heroes.] Both leave their parties at the end of the game, both of them have strong ties to Flemeth. Possibly both even view her as a mother. In fact, it seems that Flemeth/Mythal has even factored them both into her plans: leaving her power to Solas, and the godhood to Morrigan. 

 

I'm curious to see what sort of relationship they'll have going forward. Would Morrigan hate Solas for taking away her mother? It isn't like Morrigan hasn't tried to off Flemeth in the past. Does Mythal expect them to work together to further her revenge plot? We already know they don't like one another. 

 

I don't have an answer to any of those questions. But it is interesting that narratively, they are almost like siblings. 

[Birdy]

 

Solas borrowed the unicorn from Neil Patrick Harris, who is on his bowling team in the Fade.

 

True story.

[Sister Squish]

 

You can see the Twitter string here. It was a generic model never intended to be seen that clearly.

 

 

 

Sucks out all the fun if Mythal wasn't human but.... still isn't a very clear answer. WEEEKKKKESSSSS

 

I went off on a bit of theorycrafting yesterday on reddit after listening to sashimi_taco’s cleaned up audio from the Well of Sorrow and have more ideas on everything.

So, what I mostly heard in the hidden audio was:

"Mythal speaks the calling. The call speaks from the blood. …Bound to the same, travel far. … She speaks the truth. She saw the lost. Go to the Warden.”

I think that Mythal was infected and killed by the Blight.

During the time she was infected, she asked her friend Fen’Harel to lock away all the Gods as a quarantine measure. Maybe she asked this of him as a trusted friend, or because he was the most trusted on both sides of the pantheon. Did she finally succumb to the Blight while plotting these measures with Fen’Harel, and thus the belief that he was responsible for her death? Or, perhaps Mythal even asked him for a mercy kill because she could no longer control the corruption. (Recalling the scene with Ser Wesley, Flemeth at least knows this is one way to deal with the corruption).

It’s starting to make sense to me that the other gods may also have been infected and locking them away in uthenera was the only way to slow the effects of the corruption. Which leads me to believe that the Elven Gods are the Old Gods. The corruption in their blood is calling to the darkspawn from uthenera to set them free.

[edit: ALSO, Thinking on how Flemeth saves the Warden in DAO and pushes Morrigan to join them (armed with the knowledge of the Dark Ritual which will preserve the Old God soul). Wardens are considered the experts in Thedas on darkspawn and the Calling. Flemeth needs the Wardens as a means to help her cure the Gods, and as a means to prevent the death of another one]

The elven artifacts you activate for Solas are actually locks to the prison where the Gods sleep. In the Lost Temple of Dirthamen, one of these same artifacts is already activated when you arrive but then when you deactivate it, The Highest One is released. The Highest One had wanted to lock away his followers in a prison but they turned the tables on him instead. When you open the lock to his prison, he is set free. A prison strong enough to lock away Gods would need to have many locks.

So for all of this, Solas doesn’t want the Gods to be freed, at least not just yet. He needs to help them by finding a cure to their corruption. We still don’t know who created the corruption, but my first guess is The Maker. Could it be that simple? “The Maker of the Blight”. The first action of a victor would be to erase any signs of your predecessor(s); make it heresy and treason to worship those old gods.

Whatever the case, I believe it’s all going to come back around to the Blight.

 

 

Replying because I love this! 

 

1> Fen'Harel's motivations make sense here. He is known to be uniquely trusted among all pantheon "factions" to be able to convince them to "step into his trap". It follows he would have been the only one Mythal could ask. Fen'Harel would have seen the wisdom, and necessity, in this action - but felt endless remorse for the "imprisonment" all the same. 

2> It explains the way Solas feels about Grey Wardens, Old Gods/Archdemons, and the Blight. Corrupted gods are simply misunderstood by those who wish to exterminate them. He may continue to look for cure instead. Especially if:

 

It's highly likely that without Old Gods to keep them busy and/or to control them, Darkspawn will just... get loose/go berserk, which'll result in a never-ending Blight. Not something anyone'd want to happen. 

 

... corrupted Old Gods are still vaguely trying to be helpful anyway. 

 

3> "Maker of the Blight"? Possibly. The existence of a "Maker" in this world is... not really evidenced. If the Mythal=Dumat=Flemeth theory is correct, Andraste believed she was hearing the Maker when actually being whispered to by a corrupted god desiring freedom and vengeance. Did Andraste make that assumption? Or did Mythal=Dumat refer to herself that way, seeing herself as a "Maker" of the current, blighted state of Thedas?

If predating the pantheon and not contradicting an already established idea of the Maker (as Gaider outlines in page 3 here ), however, "Maker of the Blight" is possible.

 

 

 

Hahaha ~ still catching up, but I would be down with a "Varric saves everybody" ending!

[NeverlandHunter]

UNICORN SOLAS TO THE RESCUE!!!

Unicorn Solas makes everything better *.*
Now we can ride off into a rainbow to the land of bluejays and butterflies and bunnies and other positive B words!

[slmisfit]

<snip>

Actually, y'know what? We are going in circles. We're going to continue doing nothing but disagree with each other, so I'm not going to bother trying to refute anything else. Let's just drop it and continue on with our lives, yes?

 

Here, everyone have a Solas

[Birdy]

[phaonica]

I went off on a bit of theorycrafting yesterday on reddit after listening to sashimi_taco’s cleaned up audio from the Well of Sorrow and have more ideas on everything.

So, what I mostly heard in the hidden audio was:

"Mythal speaks the calling. The call speaks from the blood. …Bound to the same, travel far. … She speaks the truth. She saw the lost. Go to the Warden.”

I think that Mythal was infected and killed by the Blight.

<snip>

 

I missed this theory pages ago. Really cool.

 

It really bothers me that you can drink from the well for the hope of gaining knowledge, risking becoming a slave of an unknown entity, and then not being able to get any more information than you do. Maybe Morrigan knows how to use the thing better, but you can't quiz her about stuff, either.

[NeverlandHunter]

There is a big difference between Leliana sending her people out to look for and investigate a supposedly tiny and/or well hidden village to the north, and having spies around Haven and Skyhold keep tabs on people. Huuuuuge difference in use of resources. You and I are just going to have to disagree about whether it was a mistake or not to not send out valuable agents on a hunt for an unknown village in the middle of a war with a powerful darkspawn magister.

Actually, y'know what? We are going in circles. We're going to continue doing nothing but disagree with each other, so I'm not going to bother trying to refute anything else. Let's just drop it and continue on with our lives, yes?

Oh, but I do so enjoy filling up the Solas thread with aimless Leliana arguments about whether she's a good spy master or not!
Ah, oh well, have a good [insert time zone here]
Here, have a peace offering *olive branch*

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[Gwyvian]

I literally live on this thread so much now that it's got prime hotlink place in my browser....

[BlueElf2]

If that is the case,he could have just re-populated the elven with Lavellan  . So why leave?

Her body wasn't ready?......I'll see myself out.

[NeverlandHunter]

Ahh, if only our female Qunari could have such pretty hair

[Sifr]

I went off on a bit of theorycrafting yesterday on reddit after listening to sashimi_taco’s cleaned up audio from the Well of Sorrow and have more ideas on everything.

So, what I mostly heard in the hidden audio was:

"Mythal speaks the calling. The call speaks from the blood. …Bound to the same, travel far. … She speaks the truth. She saw the lost. Go to the Warden.”

I think that Mythal was infected and killed by the Blight.

During the time she was infected, she asked her friend Fen’Harel to lock away all the Gods as a quarantine measure. Maybe she asked this of him as a trusted friend, or because he was the most trusted on both sides of the pantheon. Did she finally succumb to the Blight while plotting these measures with Fen’Harel, and thus the belief that he was responsible for her death? Or, perhaps Mythal even asked him for a mercy kill because she could no longer control the corruption. (Recalling the scene with Ser Wesley, Flemeth at least knows this is one way to deal with the corruption).

It’s starting to make sense to me that the other gods may also have been infected and locking them away in uthenera was the only way to slow the effects of the corruption. Which leads me to believe that the Elven Gods are the Old Gods. The corruption in their blood is calling to the darkspawn from uthenera to set them free.

[edit: ALSO, Thinking on how Flemeth saves the Warden in DAO and pushes Morrigan to join them (armed with the knowledge of the Dark Ritual which will preserve the Old God soul). Wardens are considered the experts in Thedas on darkspawn and the Calling. Flemeth needs the Wardens as a means to help her cure the Gods, and as a means to prevent the death of another one]

 

And if you killed Flemeth in the first game and did the Dark Ritual, the idea that the Warden might ultimately end up being the one to help "save" her (if she's not truly dead) in some way and her kindred Gods, is so ironic that it I can't not love this theory?!

 

Plus it would fit with what Solas implies to Blackwall, that he hopes the Wardens are correct that once the Archdemons are gone, the Blights won't continue... as if he knows that they most definitely will continue on, as they always have done.

 

After all, the Archdemons are victims of the Blight as much as any other tainted creature and perhaps the Song that they eminate is less meant to draw the Darkspawn and simply is just a distress call using an old form of magic, that sadly the Darkspawn are one of the few creatures capable of hearing?

[Birdy]

Oh, but I do so enjoy filling up the Solas thread with aimless Leliana arguments about whether she's a good spy master or not!
Ah, oh well, have a good [insert time zone here]
Here, have a piece offering *olive branch*

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itsprecioustime https://www.tumblr.c...n age reference

Hush now. Hug and make out!

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[Roxy]

I don't know about you guys, but this conversation (during Cole's personal quest) always makes me want to turn Cole more human when I'm romancing Solas.
 



 
He just dodges Varric's question. Such a frustrating man. Makes me want to prove him wrong.

I just did this quest tonight and decided to turn Cole more human...I felt bad after that. But when I took Cole to the restaraunt he seemed pretty happy so that made me feel a bit better.....still I'd rather let Cole stay a spirit it seems to fit him more. And the disapproval from Solas felt so heartbreaking. I always turn Cole into a spirit but I wanted to try the human path to see what happens in the future for Cole.