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Does Solas bawl the Inquisitor out for keeping the Wardens?

 

I remember getting a "Solas Greatly Disapproves" alert right away, and he sighed in exasperation, but the scene continued. I expected to get chewed out by it afterwards, but when I talked to him after Here Lies the Abyss I got the "All New, Faded For Her" quest request instead.

 

If I missed a "How could you keep the Wardens?!" cutscene that was supposed to trigger, I'm happy for it, but I just want to know.

No.  He scoffs - LOUDLY - when you decide but he speaks no more of it afterwards.



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Hush now. Hug and make out!

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I was hugging an-- wait what!?

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I was hugging an-- wait what!?

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I missed this theory pages ago. Really cool.

 

It really bothers me that you can drink from the well for the hope of gaining knowledge, risking becoming a slave of an unknown entity, and then not being able to get any more information than you do. Maybe Morrigan knows how to use the thing better, but you can't quiz her about stuff, either. :(

Mythal can turn that **** off and on it appears.  Which I find deeply hilarious.  I'm sure it will make things useful in some ways down the road, but that whole thing was a big pool of "NOPE" for me. 


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Waah! That face!
*nightmares forever*
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Oh god, yes. That scary reaction made me regret romancing Solas. It was turning into the Fenris disaster all over again... sorry to all Fenris fans, but that romance was so awful, it scarred me. I ended up resenting Fenris for his out of control anger that Hawke could not reason with.

 

A friendmanced Fenris is very reasonable.  But I admit, the Solas scene did remind me of Fenris, which surprised me.  I didn't expect something like that from Solas.  My Hawke usually let Fenris kill whoever, since they were usually some kind of scum, except for Varania.  Wasn't going to let Fenris carry the baggage of having killed his own sister, especially when he might deeply regret it after the moment had passed.  He'd been through enough in his life, he didn't need that on him too.  With Solas, there was the fact that Lavellan didn't approve of killing lightly (with the exception of Erimond, who was made tranquil, she spared everyone she had the choice to have mercy on in some way.)  She especially didn't approve of killing mages for the crime of ignorance and desperation, so she wouldn't let Solas kill them.  Not that she didn't sympathize.

 

ahh just did the mages quest again red lyrium Solas not fun

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Sadness. :crying:   This reminds me of another reason I really liked the mages path, and why it was a big turning point for my Lavellan.  Going to the bad future made it very clear to her what she was fighting for, what she needed to prevent from happening.  Prior to this, she was with the Inquisition because she knew she had little choice, having the ability to close the rifts, but she still saw the Advisors running things, while she was just there like a glorified agent.  After seeing the future, she became much more motivated to be involved in the Inquisition.


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Mythal can turn that **** off and on it appears.  Which I find deeply hilarious.  I'm sure it will make things useful in some ways down the road, but that whole thing was a big pool of "NOPE" for me.

I feel the same way! But then I lined up all my future play throughs and I realized only my mage Lavellan would be stup-- desperate enough to drink from the well of "do not drink from me, I am bad news". So she drank...rather ungracefully too, by the way. Uh, and with Solas watching. Tsk, tsk *shakes head*
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I missed this theory pages ago. Really cool.

 

It really bothers me that you can drink from the well for the hope of gaining knowledge, risking becoming a slave of an unknown entity, and then not being able to get any more information than you do. Maybe Morrigan knows how to use the thing better, but you can't quiz her about stuff, either. :(


Well I will be happy to be bound to solas forever


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Well I will be happy to be bound to solas forever


There are worst things ;)
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WAIT someone used a screenshot of my character on tumblr page: tumblr_static_tumblr_static_filename_640


Not that I complain but.. I got confused.. I was like: HEY THAT LOOKS FAMILIAR XD

 



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My canon Lavellan drinks from the pool, because she believes an elf should take it if someone was going to, regardless of the consequences.  It's also the kind of curiosity fueled thing she would do; her sense of self-preservation tends to fail in those situations, and in times when she wants to help someone or the world.  Very likely the reason why she breaks her cover to run into the room where a shemlen holy lady is calling for help, which results in gaining a magic scar on her palm. 

 

...This is probably why her clan kept her isolated in the wilderness for as long as they could.  Well,anyway, I tend to prefer interesting over safe choices. 


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There are worst things ;)

agree  :P



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My canon Lavellan drinks from the pool, because she believes an elf should take it if someone was going to, regardless of the consequences.  It's also the kind of curiosity fueled thing she would do; her sense of self-preservation tends to fail in those situations, and in times when she wants to help someone or the world.  Very likely the reason why she breaks her cover to run into the room where a shemlen holy lady is calling for help, which results in gaining a magic scar on her palm. 

 

...This is probably why her clan kept her isolated in the wilderness for as long as they could.  Well,anyway, I tend to prefer interesting over safe choices. 

My Lavellan was kind of like...YOLO...so she more liked chugged down that water.


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My Lavellan was kind of like...YOLO...so she more liked chugged down that water.

 

This too. :lol:


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Hm, and there's no difference in the love scene depending on your choice? Apart from him asking what you'll do with the power, I got that question even though I didn't drink.

I have not read all the last pages yet, so in case somebody else replied, I am sorry for spamming. But to answer your question: no, no difference. The romance scene is completely independent from the well conversation, it only happens right after it without a break. The well talk plays out inquisitor-independent, you only get the tiny differences depending on whether you drank or Morrigan. And the love scene does not reference the well or your decision at all. He does sometimes start the romance scene off with talking about how he does not like all your choices. But this does not depend on the well but on your decisions in general.
And: as you get the power of the well directly from drinking or indirectly via Morrigan, he of course always asks what you will do with it. This is not a bug.
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My canon Lavellan drinks from the pool, because she believes an elf should take it if someone was going to, regardless of the consequences.  It's also the kind of curiosity fueled thing she would do; her sense of self-preservation tends to fail in those situations, and in times when she wants to help someone or the world.  Very likely the reason why she breaks her cover to run into the room where a shemlen holy lady is calling for help, which results in gaining a magic scar on her palm. 

 

...This is probably why her clan kept her isolated in the wilderness for as long as they could.  Well,anyway, I tend to prefer interesting over safe choices. 

 

Agreed, for the most part. Centuries of elven knowledge would be lost if a human apostate with a track record of disappearing without a trace drank it.

 

As Lavellan can tell Morrigan: "It's my heritage."

 

I just did this quest tonight and decided to turn Cole more human...I felt bad after that. But when I took Cole to the restaraunt he seemed pretty happy so that made me feel a bit better.....still I'd rather let Cole stay a spirit it seems to fit him more. And the disapproval from Solas felt so heartbreaking. I always turn Cole into a spirit but I wanted to try the human path to see what happens in the future for Cole. :)

 

I had no idea what to do for Cole's personal quest, and only had Solas' and Varric's advice to go off of. While Solas is a general spirit expert, Varric seemed to come from a place of personal understanding. He made a compelling argument that becoming more human is something that Cole wants, and mentioned how he's been there himself (his own brother and all). I thought, "How can I deny Cole something he truly wants because I think I know better?" So I very tentatively allowed Varric to help. I felt bad when Solas was angry, but felt like, "What's done is done."

 

I was still fretting about it when I took Cole out to lunch, but when he said, "Gentle. You watch me walk into darkness over and over, and you always worry. Thank you." I thought: D'AWWWWW!! Totally worth it!

 

(Even better, when he admits that part of the reason he was afraid of letting people remember him was because he was afraid of hurting or losing people, because he had equated "change" to "losing friends," but can now laugh with relief over how silly that was.)

 

The writers went to a lot of trouble to make it seem like there's no "right answer" to handling Cole's personal quest; it can really go either way and depend on what you personally think. That was just the reason my Lavellan chose to make him more human, and I chose to save instead of redoing his personal quest.

 

EDIT: I still felt bad over how Solas reacted, but oh well. Chalk it up to different parenting  methods.


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The writers went to a lot of trouble to make it seem like there's no "right answer" to handling Cole's personal quest; it can really go either way and depend on what you personally think. That was just the reason my Lavellan chose to make him more human, and I chose to save instead of redoing his personal quest.

 

EDIT: I still felt bad over how Solas reacted, but oh well. Chalk it up to different parenting  methods.

I still can't decide which decision I like better.  My first PT I chose spirit.  Second I chose human.  Still so torn because I think Varric and Solas each have compelling arguments.  I've never made a decision just to keep Solas happy.  (Oh boy he hates it when I don't exile the Wardens)

 

The only thing that I don't like about the spirit choice is

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 Up until that point I always feel like spirit was the right choice.  I'm not at this point yet on what I intend to be my canon PT.  Totally torn.  I like that this is one of those things that, for me, isn't a clear cut right answer.


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I just did this quest tonight and decided to turn Cole more human...I felt bad after that. But when I took Cole to the restaraunt he seemed pretty happy so that made me feel a bit better.....still I'd rather let Cole stay a spirit it seems to fit him more. And the disapproval from Solas felt so heartbreaking. I always turn Cole into a spirit but I wanted to try the human path to see what happens in the future for Cole. :)

 

I prefer to turn Cole human. I think he'll be able to help better if he's able to learn and understands what it is to be a person.


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I still can't decide which decision I like better.  My first PT I chose spirit.  Second I chose human.  Still so torn because I think Varric and Solas each have compelling arguments.  I've never made a decision just to keep Solas happy.  (Oh boy he hates it when I don't exile the Wardens)

 

The only thing that I don't like about the spirit choice is

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 Up until that point I always feel like spirit was the right choice.  I'm not at this point yet on what I intend to be my canon PT.  Totally torn.  I like that this is one of those things that, for me, isn't a clear cut right answer.

 

In my canon, I made Cole spirit.  My Lavellan trusted Solas' knowledge of spirits, and she wanted to do what was best for Cole.  And Cole wants to be a good spirit rather than a demon, and when you make him a spirit, he says he feels more like himself than he was before.  He's also happy, and I was happy for him.  Humans are well and good, but I liked the idea of Cole becoming more, and he's pretty much the closest Thedas gets to an angel on the spirit path. 

 

The only thing that made me a little sad, was when he said he forgot about being Cole, but sometimes he seemed to contradict that, like when he remembered Rhys after saying he no longer remembered being Cole.  The Patrick Weekes interview (the one that caused all the Feels) also made me feel better, because he said that Cole doesn't really delete his memories, he just lets them go.  Basically leaving his baggage behind...it's not human, but I don't think he should have to be.


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I was like "OH HELL NO ORLAIS BURNS."

 

But then I figured Solas may have suggested it himself. When you ask to dance the first time, he says he enjoys dancing but to dance with her now would cost her approval with the court. He does say that posturing is necessary from the very beginning.

Having someone other that Solas as your surving man would have been awkward IMO, also it would probably send the wrong message.  It is custom in Orlais to have  elven survants , handmaidens? ( like Elora in the human noble origin), but if you have a human survant it would seem too much Tevinter-like. 

 

Has this been posted yet?

http://thedosianimpo...tions-to-fallen

Solas battle cries!

 Oh man, no one gives a **** when I fall in combat. One time Solas started to play chess with Iron Bull while I was going down near the end of a particular encounter. WTF!! Only Cole was 'OOOH NOOOO' this one time.


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I prefer to turn Cole human. I think he'll be able to help better if he's able to learn and understands what it is to be a person.

 

Yeah, he seems happier as a human and it seems more in keeping with his character arc as learns more and grows as a character. Plus despite Solas being friendly with him, Cole does seem to have a closer bond to Varric and more of a friendship. Seeing Varric's reaction to Cole lose that part of himself and regress backwards is far too heartbreaking for me to choose.

 

"He could have been a person".



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The only thing that made me a little sad, was when he said he forgot about being Cole, but sometimes he seemed to contradict that, like when he remembered Rhys after saying he no longer remembered being Cole.  The Patrick Weekes interview (the one that caused all the Feels) also made me feel better, because he said that Cole doesn't really delete his memories, he just lets them go.  Basically leaving his baggage behind...it's not human, but I don't think he should have to be.

Good point.  I had forgotten about that.  Ok I feel better about spirit Cole.


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I never got this.. holy **** YOU GOT ALMOST BUSTED BY COLE SOLAS XD


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Re: Well of Sorrows. I made my Lav drink from the Well, with my whole reasoning being basically "Forbidden knowledge? Creepy voices in my head? Bound to a god for an eternity? INTERESTING MUST DO". What can I say, I love supernatural/mysterious things. I am well aware that this could lead to future trouble - especially if FleMythal really manages to pass her godhood on to Morrigan - but for now, I'll leave it as-is. I am really interested in all the possible consequences this choice can have.

I RP it as my Lav thinking that if anyone has to take the risk, it should be her. She's painfully compassionate. *sigh*

 

Re: Cole's quest. I made him more spirit-y, because... this choice is basically about restoring him to what he should be. And he is able to help more people afterwards. Yes, I was a bit sad that he made himself forget the real Cole, but... the whole choice was about him learning to let go, no? This said, I can definitely see why one can choose to make him more human. This is one of the quests with no "good" or "bad" outcome - which outcome is better depends entirely on your point of view. 


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