Yeah, he seems happier as a human and it seems more in keeping with his character arc as learns more and grows as a character. Plus despite Solas being friendly with him, Cole does seem to have a closer bond to Varric and more of a friendship. Seeing Varric's reaction to Cole lose that part of himself and regress backwards is far too heartbreaking for me to choose.
"He could have been a person".
This is where Solas would say that spirits are people too. 
In my canon, I made Cole spirit. My Lavellan trusted Solas' knowledge of spirits, and she wanted to do what was best for Cole. And Cole wants to be a good spirit rather than a demon, and when you make him a spirit, he says he feels more like himself than he was before. He's also happy, and I was happy for him. Humans are well and good, but I liked the idea of Cole becoming more, and he's pretty much the closest Thedas gets to an angel on the spirit path.
The only thing that made me a little sad, was when he said he forgot about being Cole, but sometimes he seemed to contradict that, like when he remembered Rhys after saying he no longer remembered being Cole. The Patrick Weekes interview (the one that caused all the Feels) also made me feel better, because he said that Cole doesn't really delete his memories, he just lets them go. Basically leaving his baggage behind...it's not human, but I don't think he should have to be.
Oooh. Tellin' on myself now, in that I still haven't listened to the interview. I know I should! But I get distracted by... stuffs. So, this also explains why he says he forgot Cole after the amulet enchantment, but then starts stressing out over not being able to save him again after witnessing Coryphelus body hop into that corpsified warden. Therefore... it might also mean that whatever bits that Solas bade Cole to forget after the Stinger, may still be re-indexed if someone hurts enough to need it?
My headcanon Wolf Hunt will enjoy playing with this morsel. Tiger Festival needs it.
I also can't bring myself to push the human button on Cole. I've seen both Lunch Dates, and to me he just looks so downtrodden when he's sitting there, not helping people, as humanized Cole. When he's more Spirit-y, he's bright and cheerful and all over the place. He's doing his thing all around them while my Lavellan sits, happily amazed by what he can do with a few words. She doesn't even notice that the waiter never came back to offer her a menu or a even a water glass. Totally. Worth it.
Has anyone seen this?
http://fiwen.deviant...solas-496685291
I never got this.. holy **** YOU GOT ALMOST BUSTED BY COLE SOLAS XD
Did he just make Cole forget to prevent him from blabbing...?
Has anyone seen this?
http://fiwen.deviant...solas-496685291
Is it just me, or does anyone else see that Wolf as Harbinger?
It still looks the same to me. BUT i get what you are saying.
Hey Sashi, talk of the eclipse in your vid reminded me of this message after drinking from the well:
So.. before DA3 came out, how did you guys line up the theories? Did you make a list of whose theories were right?
I wish I was into all of this back then! I was only compelled to make an account here after playing through DA:I for the first time, and finding myself super lost and frustrated (and heartbroken).... as I'm sure is the experience of many others. Collecting theories is... maybe... making it bearable?
Saying that though, if anyone has lists of old theories that have since been debunked or validated, they may be fun to see?
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I originally thought that his plan was to drop the veil, but now I am not so sure. I think he would like to be able to remove the veil but I think his plan was to help elven people in another way, using the orb, that we are not aware of. I'm guessing the orb could have been used for many things, not just ripping a hole in the veil.
This sits much better with his 'strengthening the veil' quest, and the Cole banter that states (paraphrasing) 'if she is real they could all be real, it changes everything but it can't.' I think that without the veil, the elven people would become 'real' restoring their connection to the fade that was broken, probably also restoring their immortality. Solas realizes that this connection has now been restored in the Inquisitor, and that the removal of the veil could restore it to all, but that the veil can't be removed so they can't become real.
Maybe Solas ultimately intends to return to his role, keeping them locked away, something that has defined him for millenia, a solitary task. Before that it seems that there are other things he has to do to help the people (don't know what) but dealing with the cause of the blight seems likely.
So this leads me to believe that Sandal's prophecy might be fulfilled by another entity (maybe whoever killed Felassan) and that Solas will be trying to stop it and will ultimate fail, maybe how spectacular that failure will be will be determined by the Inquisitor. If Solas does not want the veil dropped, and then that is indeed what happens, there may be more hope for his own personal future, as he will no longer have to keep his lonely vigil, he'll have to reunite with Lavellan and help fight whatever new nasties have appeared
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Oooooorrrr, that is all just wishful thinking and ....more tears is all we get
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Ohhh I like it.
> Originally, everyone had a connection to the fade
> A "veil" is created, separating most from the fade... aside from a "privileged" few (Pantheon?) who reap the benefits of power and immortality
> Possibly spirits of the deceased are suddenly obstructed, finding it difficult to "pass over", requiring someone to take the role of "guide" (Falon'Din)
This may be evidenced by:
> wiki quote from Yavana that there was a "time before the veil, before the mysteries were forgotten"...
> There is a quote from Yavana somewhere which refers to the Veil as having been made, perhaps crafted? Manufactured? I think it is in The Calling which I haven't read ;-; I want to know the exact wording.
> quote from Cole in the Solas post-romance banter, "an old pain from before, when everything sang the same"
This last quote may relate to a harmony shared with normal lyrium, perhaps?
As for Felassan's "whodunnit":
Solasmancers are not inclined to believe that Fen'Harel was responsible, and we've soothed ourselves by theories on his motivations.
So, since the last line is "You know, she reminds me of.....", and we know he is about to either say "you" or "Fen'Harel" before Felassan gets *bonked*... who or what would have the greatest motivation for silencing him before he completed that sentence? And why would anyone be working against Solas, who 1) keeps the veil in tact and 2) (arguably) wishes to cure the blight?
Whoever it is may indeed be up to no good in other areas, too.
Oooh. Tellin' on myself now, in that I still haven't listened to the interview. I know I should! But I get distracted by... stuffs. So, this also explains why he says he forgot Cole after the amulet enchantment, but then starts stressing out over not being able to save him again after witnessing Coryphelus body hop into that corpsified warden. Therefore... it might also mean that whatever bits that Solas bade Cole to forget after the Stinger, may still be re-indexed if someone hurts enough to need it?
My headcanon Wolf Hunt will enjoy playing with this morsel. Tiger Festival needs it.
I also can't bring myself to push the human button on Cole. I've seen both Lunch Dates, and to me he just looks so downtrodden when he's sitting there, not helping people, as humanized Cole. When he's more Spirit-y, he's bright and cheerful and all over the place. He's doing his thing all around them while my Lavellan sits, happily amazed by what he can do with a few words. She doesn't even notice that the waiter never came back to offer her a menu or a even a water glass. Totally. Worth it.
I don't think there's really a wrong or right answer, they're just different paths. Varric and Solas both make good points. (I kinda love that we have the elf taking the spirit approach and the dwarf taking the physical approach, it seems appropriate somehow.) They're both very interesting directions, and I'm glad they were both included for Cole.
What always amuses me when I think about Lavellan taking Cole somewhere public when it's just the two of them, is that with Spirit Cole, it probably looks like she's talking to herself all the time. 
I have not read all the last pages yet, so in case somebody else replied, I am sorry for spamming. But to answer your question: no, no difference. The romance scene is completely independent from the well conversation, it only happens right after it without a break. The well talk plays out inquisitor-independent, you only get the tiny differences depending on whether you drank or Morrigan. And the love scene does not reference the well or your decision at all. He does sometimes start the romance scene off with talking about how he does not like all your choices. But this does not depend on the well but on your decisions in general.
And: as you get the power of the well directly from drinking or indirectly via Morrigan, he of course always asks what you will do with it. This is not a bug.
Yeah, I managed to get an approval speech from him about my choices and I assumed that he somehow meant I was going to use the Well's power through Morrigan - though honestly I was a bit surprised; what ran through my head was "just how am I going to convince Morrigan to do anything at all? Anything??" She always goes her own way.
In my canon, I made Cole spirit. My Lavellan trusted Solas' knowledge of spirits, and she wanted to do what was best for Cole. And Cole wants to be a good spirit rather than a demon, and when you make him a spirit, he says he feels more like himself than he was before. He's also happy, and I was happy for him. Humans are well and good, but I liked the idea of Cole becoming more, and he's pretty much the closest Thedas gets to an angel on the spirit path.
The only thing that made me a little sad, was when he said he forgot about being Cole, but sometimes he seemed to contradict that, like when he remembered Rhys after saying he no longer remembered being Cole. The Patrick Weekes interview (the one that caused all the Feels) also made me feel better, because he said that Cole doesn't really delete his memories, he just lets them go. Basically leaving his baggage behind...it's not human, but I don't think he should have to be.
I agree with this. I think that letting go of the Cole persona is the final step in healing. I can hear it in his voice, he's suddenly... more placid, like a raging torment finally closed completely. Besides *giggle* watching him dash around healing hurts is like watching a child escape into a candy shop. He is just so sweet! I'd also prefer to let him be who he really is. Making him more human is... well, it seems a bit unnatural to me. He wants to be human out of desperation - he becomes human in the first place because of a very, very dark and traumatizing event. Later, he wants to be bound and be human because he's terrified of what could be done to him. Aren't those all the wrong reasons to want to become human? I felt like I gave him back something as integral as his spirit "self" - and that's self-confidence, just as he is.
Meanwhile, here's my Mr. Distraction-Lavellan! It's not the best shot, but around a hundred pages ago I did say I would upload a photo of him (I believe the conversation was revolving around how pleased or displeased we were about our male Lavellans.) I think I might have him romance Dorian... I like Dorian. Hmm... He's Raeslyn, by the way. Yes, that's a deliberate play.
Did he just make Cole forget to prevent him from blabbing...?
Is it just me, or does anyone else see that Wolf as Harbinger?
Apparently
This is part of why I love Cole's loyalty quest; neither path results in him taking vengeance, and it's not obvious which choice is "right" or better for Cole. Spirit and human both have their advantages and drawbacks. It's a nice twist on BioWare's usual "VENGEANCE IS BAD" companion quest.
I also felt like Solas's rage moment wasn't really the point of his quest, so to speak. It's not like he becomes darker or more vengeful if you let him kill the mages. It's more about showcasing his essential vulnerability and humanity, and challenging the player's view of what a spirit really is. He's terribly lonely, and it hits him hard when he loses one of his very few friends who happens to also be a spirit.
People always talk about how difficult the choice in Bull's quest is but, for me, Cole's quest is the hardest choice in the game. I spent more time debating which choice to make than I did over romanced!Alistair or Hawke. Like you said: neither side is wrong, but both sides involve Cole giving up a part of who he is. One part of me says 'spirit is better' because the important thing is that Cole is protected, but the other part wants to show the world that a spirit can be more than just a spirit. My Lavellan went with human, despite agreeing with Solas for most of the quest because when it came to the moment of choice she couldn't let him give up what had made him 'Cole'.
I think it would be much better to ask here - does Solas's romance restriction for Elfs females "super story sense"?
Don't misunderstood me, i don't care why he don't wan't to have sex with everyone, i just wanna know if there is something related to main story (The Breach, The Elder One, Elven gods - that kind of stuff).
I suppose this is a matter of interpretation and taste. I *personally* do not think it really makes "story sense". He could have fallen for my human noble just as well, who showed a lot more affinity to Elven culture than my first Dalish. It is rather "more in line with his character" that he only opens up to an elf, I guess. He is generally not into romance, has other things on his mind etc. Only this one particular Dalish shakes his views on Dalish and modern Elven culture and motivations etc. etc. and, thus, she can convince him otherwise... for a while, until he breaks up again, anyway.
But the story does not play out differently, so...
Edit: About Cole... first time around I chose to let him stay a spirit without thinking about it. My initial reaction was "It is wrong to change what he IS". Second time around I made him human to see what happens. And to see how he "might actually like this", thinking about it all more... I am not decided now, have not been for the last few PTs, always picking a choice at random. He is so sad about having lost his friends for being a spirit, sad that everybody always turned away from him. Then I took him to the Fade and he was so unhappy to be there... More and more I come to think he chose to live among humans, so he should be able to bond with them and not be doomed to be alone for the rest of his days. If he felt a strong connection to the world of spirits and intended to go back, it would be simple. But the way it is.. maybe he wants to be human.
I chose that bed as well, because I headcanon that Terrwyn missed seeing the stars and Solas painted the night sky on the ceiling for her. When he breaks it off, she brings in the Free Marches bed so she doesn't have to see the stars anymore.
...Sorry that got sad. 8[
I had the ultimate of cringes. I don't know what I was expecting him to be announced as, but I just felt super bad FOR Solas. Maybe arcane adviser would have been better. That being said, it's a totally acceptable title to be a manservant for elves. I felt both guilty and horrible for having him announced as "just" my banging-the-dread-wolf Lavellan's servant.
Oh, I agree about Sera! I had my biggest issues with her and we were not on good terms...
Yes, Solas' temper is not the worst one and you can talk him down easily. Still a creepy as hell moment for me that did not endear him to me. His radical side is troubling and will cause a lot more suffering if he doesn't learn to control it. Ironically I have a bit of a radical mindset myself that I suppress because it's ugly. Misguided idealism is dangerous and I dislike it in others too. Maybe that's why I'm more sensitive about that stuff. Looking in the mirror and all that, Solas reminds me a lot of my own flaws. I have a hate-love relationship with that character.
Ehhh, I totally understand and sympathize with Solas's anger. One of his oldest friends was essentially tortured and killed in front of him. I don't think it's fair to judge him as a whole based on his actions in a moment of extreme grief. He wasn't thinking clearly. Plus, I think if he had been in his right mind he never would have condoned killing the mages. It was a brutal display of power, and he hates those. He always approves of more complex judgements rather than simple executions (except in cases like Erimond, where it's the most just solution). Even though he disapproved of you stopping him in the moment, I think in the long run he's glad if you prevent him from killing the mages. And it's not like it's difficult to do. All the Inquisitor needs is a word. It reminds me of Garrus's loyalty mission a lot, actually. Albeit taking place in a very compressed timeframe. Really, all of the characters are capable (and willing) of brutally murdering someone for revenge. Even Alistair, who's usually really sweet, is all about executing Loghain himself.
Re: Turning Cole human or spirit. In my first playthrough I made him a spirit, and I really liked it. However, after a lot of thought, this time I turned him human. Not because of the whole "erasing Cole" thing (I thought it was appropriate for spirit!Cole's development) but because I think human!Cole makes for a better arc. For both him and Solas. It was wonderful how this playthrough ended up pacing itself. I did Solas's personal quest, then Adamant/Fade, then Cole's personal quest. It really made me appreciate where Solas was coming from during Cole's personal quest. He'd seen his own friend be bound and killed, then thousands of other spirits at Adamant. He's so afraid that the same thing is going to happen to Cole, and Varric's interference frustrates him because Solas has had so many terrible experiences with binding and Varric hasn't.
From my Inquisitor's perspective, however, she's seen what happened to Solas's friend. But she's also heard Cole talking about how he came to this side of the Veil to become more "real". Then she had that talk with Spirit!Justinia about the capability to grow and change, and how that's tied to memory. Taking all that into account, she decided to give Cole the chance to keep becoming whatever it is that he's becoming. I wish she could've talked to Solas afterwards, and explain her reasoning. At the same time, though, I got the sense that he understood. I was afraid of him being really angry at turning Cole more human, but he actually wasn't. He seemed more worried to me. And at the end he acknowledges that it might not be so bad. That whole sequence shows just how afraid he is for Cole, and how much his previous experiences have coloured his outlook.
So I got my 'Art of Dragon Age Inquisition' book and I ran across a drawing of a carpet in Winter Palace...
It's could be meaningless, but still? It's a rather big carpet, once I get to the Winter Palace I'll try to find out where it is...
What do you think that these 4 dots mean (in the center of each circle)? only the bottom left circle has those dots in Solas' card.
Off topic, but I am so relieved I managed to save Clan Lavellan this play through. Now I am going to do a victory lap on the beautiful Royal Sixteen Hart I received as a reward.
edit: Oh but of course I am top of the page again. Here's Solas riding said Hart. Oh now this is on topic!
I think it would be much better to ask here - does Solas's romance restriction for Elfs females "super story sense"?
Don't misunderstood me, i don't care why he don't wan't to have sex with everyone, i just wanna know if there is something related to main story (The Breach, The Elder One, Elven gods - that kind of stuff).
I remember seeing this:
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made me very intrigued. I have a theory that it's something simmilar to Morrigan's Old God Baby thing from DAO.
Well there's no god babies, but yes, it does make a huge amount of story sense. Not so much the "female" part (I think that's just because he's straight) but the elf part makes a great deal of sense.
This has probably been brought up by now, but why are there infected elves inside an infected halla in the mural here?
I didn't have Solas in the party (post-campaign). Does he make any comments in this area or inside the tomb?
Jellobell, where did you get that sunburst staff?
I think it would be much better to ask here - does Solas's romance restriction for Elfs females "super story sense"?
Don't misunderstood me, i don't care why he don't wan't to have sex with everyone, i just wanna know if there is something related to main story (The Breach, The Elder One, Elven gods - that kind of stuff).
I remember seeing this:
made me very intrigued. I have a theory that it's something simmilar to Morrigan's Old God Baby thing from DAO.
Have you beaten the game? I want to ask this first in case we drop a spoiler bomb on you by accident. 
It's not entirely clear yet why his preference makes "super story sense", as far as I'm aware. The best we can do at this point is make educated guesses. If there's some DLC to be had that touches more on Solas or elven lore in general, perhaps we'll be a step closer to finding out why.
Jellobell, where did you get that sunburst staff?
Looted it in Emprise du Lion (random drop). I think it's called the staff of the Archon or something. Not unique. I've gotten multiples.
Have you beaten the game? I want to ask this first in case we drop a spoiler bomb on you by accident.
It's not entirely clear yet why his preference makes "super story sense", as far as I'm aware. The best we can do at this point is make educated guesses. If there's some DLC to be had that touches more on Solas or elven lore in general, perhaps we'll be a step closer to finding out why.
well there WILL BE dlc:s definetely. What kind of I don't know. I mean.. why the heck would the game end like that otherwise? That you are capable of continuing the game even after the final mission is done. Because when the dlc:s will come you can just open your game and do the dlc:s
haha I also do want to believe in Solas DLC because of the ending.. I don't want to wait for another game. Also because if there will be a new protagonist like in all the other games...
Off topic, but I am so relieved I managed to save Clan Lavellan this play through. Now I am going to do a victory lap on the beautiful Royal Sixteen Hart I received as a reward.
Just saved them as well. 19 hours of waiting... worth it.
Also, got Blackwall out of prison. Used Josephine, no bloodshed, everything as official and civil as possible. He STILL found a reason to be unhappy about it. 
This is nice. Found it on tumblr. Its short and not particularly dirty but it's pretty sexy.
http://transsolas.tu...-my-every-sense
Oh, wow. This is...very very good. It's smut without the smut.
Also, just finished the Temple of Dirthamen. It's so gorgeous.
Currently my desktop background:
Good find!So I got my 'Art of Dragon Age Inquisition' book and I ran across a drawing of a carpet in Winter Palace...
It's could be meaningless, but still? It's a rather big carpet, once I get to the Winter Palace I'll try to find out where it is...
What do you think that these 4 dots mean (in the center of each circle)? only the bottom left circle has those dots in Solas' card.
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