By the way the print on Solas' orb?
"Its reflective surface is marked with an organic fingerprint pattern"
Huh, fingerprint...
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I'm latching more onto the word, "reflective"
reflective, mirror, eluvian
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the orb's made from the same material as the eluvians?!!!
Also, what the heck does "organic fingerprint pattern" mean?
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Dang, missed it - BUUTTT here's that header I promised :}
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And the Dar mathen 'Lovers' card version:
I have a large version of the card, just it was a lot simpler so I ended up shrinking it down for web :}
^^^^ I finally got it up - the thread only went like ONEHUNDRED pages while I worked T.T
^^^^ I finally got it up - the thread only went like ONEHUNDRED pages while I worked T.T
HOLY
This will be liked. First thing in the morning.
I'm not really "up" on Titan/dwarf lore and dates (@Cadius probably has them!) buuut....
I believe the general theory is that lyrium is the "conduit" for "the stone"'s "hive-mind" properties. Titans, and "the stone" supposedly predate the Pantheon - something which conversations with Dagna refer to. Also, when Andruil wanders the void and returns having been driven mad, it has been speculated that she actually discovered red lyrium and brought it back with her.
We explored Solas' conversations regarding the Blight, so I'm semi-confident he does not explain that. I... don't recall him ever explaining the nature of red lyrium? Even being covered in the stuff during In Hushed Whispers, which is frustrating.
But, if we dismiss the connection between "the stone" and lyrium, it is possible that lyrium was a residue-like side effect of manufacturing/maintaining the veil, sure.
From the convos Solas has with Varric, he seems to not know much about lyrium (any kind of lyrium) at all. Now he could be pretending but since all the convos are initiated by Solas and he does seem to be curious I would say it's like he isn't fainning ignorance about this. Which is why I started wondering if maybe Lyrium wasn't a thing back then and if perhaps it's existence is related to the current state of the dawarves.
^^^^ I finally got it up - the thread only went like ONEHUNDRED pages while I worked T.T
That's amazing, Vhenan. 
Even with the Elven translation of the name, "opposition" or "rebellion" or "noble struggle" - he'd still be given a name that places him in direction opposition to the socio-economic-religious ground work of their society... And his parallels to Milton's Lucifer grow by the day.
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And the steam engine.
Hell, do they even have a printing press? They need a fantasy Gutenberg like they needed female fantasy Jesus.
But then why would nobles worshiping other gods pay him obeisance with their slaves if he was opposed to the ruling order?
Unless, of course, he wasn't always the Rebel Wolf. Hrm.
RE: printing press
I assumed they have printing presses. Because of Varric's books and publisher, and we never hear about illumination.
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Can we just talk about the surgeon in Skyhold for a moment? The first time I met her, she was all "Magic is antiquated, the future of Thedas is to be found in Science"
And I was like, YES SCIENCE
And then she started talking about leeches and bleeding and I was like, ermm, ok, I'll take my elfroot, thanks
SO MUCH THIS.
I felt like Bones from the star trek movie with the whales... 'THIS IS BARBARIC, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, MAN??'
From the convos Solas has with Varric, he seems to not know much about lyrium (any kind of lyrium) at all. Now he could be pretending but since all the convos are initiated by Solas and he does seem to be curious I would say it's like he isn't fainning ignorance about this. Which is why I started wondering if maybe Lyrium wasn't a thing back then and if perhaps it's existence is related to the current state of the dawarves.
Just wondering, golems are made by flooding a dwarf's insides with lyrium yes? You'd think that would rekindle their connection to the Fade, as we kind of see with Fenris who gains his phasing abilities from his tattoos. But Shale doesn't have any magical abilities at all, only super strength and freedom from having to rely on food and sleep for sustenance. So, what, are dwarves really completely cut off from the Fade? Perhaps they were never connected at all?
Was there an owl statue at the Temple of Mythal?
And is it sitting on something round, perhaps an orb?xD
Something to look for when I get there in my new PT @_@
As well look for the carpet in Winter Palace.
Given Kieran/ Urthemiel's reaction to the dwarf inquisitor was, "You can't be taller without the Titans," that may also back that up. Clearly Titans were a thing the last time (whomever Urthemiel was within the Elven Pantheon)* walked the earth.
I did think the Eluvians were made of Lyrium though? I don't know where I got that idea. Ah yes, the fact that they can transmit the taint as well which requires them to be alive. So Lyrium, alive. Eluvians, alive. But that doesn't mean they are or are not made of Lyrium - we have no way of knowing til more is revealed in the story or codex entries.
As far as I am aware Urthemiel's Elven equivalent hasn't been revealed to us in game.
But if the elves had no connection to the dwarves until around 6000 years after the founding of Arlathan, that means they most likely didn't have access to lyrium for most of their empire's existence. So how could they use lyrium to construct eluvians? Or was the material not found underground back then?
Edit: ToP Solas
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Maybe I'm dumb and just missed it, but do we have record of him receiving obeisance with slaves from these nobles? Offerings to him could be any number of things. Also him not having a vallaslin makes me question. Sure, he had a symbol, it was even picked up by the Elven slaves in Kirkwall as their sign of rebellion, but do we know it was ever placed on their faces during the time of Arlathan?
GAH I'm sorry, no there was no record, I don't know where that came from please ignore that 
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His heraldry's also used by alienage elves BTW
I legitimately have no idea. Again, the only thing we DO know is that whatever the Eluvians are made of is alive and capable of transmitting the blight.
UGH. We just need to convince Bioware to share their super-secret wiki of codex entries only they are privy to! It would answer EVERYTHING.
I can do with a bit more mystery for now ). It's fun to ask questions.
Yeah, I saw that the other day when someone posted an image! Hilarious/ sad how his symbol survives the ages deeply tied to the oppressed, but the truth of his nature in legend does not.
Isn't it just? No wonder he's so tired.
Hrm. Though, for all he calls himself grim and fatalistic, he really isn't. If he were that, he'll just spend the rest of his life in the Fade, remembering the past, because the present is **** anyway. Instead, he keeps on trying. He keeps on risking himself, trying to find a way to make things better, because rather than being a fatalist he's an idealist, determined to make things right. And maybe it doesn't always work out, and maybe sometimes it's even a complete disaster, but still, he keeps on trying, hoping against everything he's ever experienced that this time, maybe, it'll be different.
That... that takes an insane amount of strength and dedication for someone who's gone through so much.
And I just made myself fall in love with this character more, help.
I know this isn't everyone's favorite theory, so CAUTION: if multiple-god-Solas is not your thing, look away.
The Dread Wolf + God of the Dead (Falon'Din) = Anubis connection just hit me over the head. Hard.
There are quite a few of them in the temple where you get the Suledin blade. It's an easy to miss quest, given from a note you find near a dead elf in Emprise du Lion. They aren't as big as in that picture though but are side by side.This appeared under Temple of Mythal concept art section..
Were there broken statues of Mythal & Fen'Harel in the temple? I'm so searching for these when I get to the temple.
Also, an entire page with statue designs... Ahem
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Why is there a templar cloth hanging outside the quarters? I recruited mages.
YES! I was so excited about where that was going and then ... leeches. Maybe she's secretly a blood mage and leeches are her sneaky-sneak way to get it in Skyhold without anyone noticing. Super sneaky blood mage style. Unlike... Jowan. Least sneaky blood mage.
Joking aside, I would likewise be interested in more people in Thedas heading down the mind of science!
It made me think of this old SNL skit:
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But if the elves had no connection to the dwarves until around 6000 years after the founding of Arlathan, that means they most likely didn't have access to lyrium for most of their empire's existence. So how could they use lyrium to construct eluvians? Or was the material not found underground back then?
Not to get too deep into theory, but even if massive amounts of lyrium are required in their construction (probably a very good bet) they wouldn't have had to dig for it: Mythal was right there, and more than likely willing to help. Blood of the Earth and all. Even if her physical presence had something a bit more like blood running in its veins, her original body would have been on the surface for the mining.
...as morbid as that sounds, now that I say it out loud. owO
I may have missed some of this conversation, yell at me if I am missing the point, will you?
From the convos Solas has with Varric, he seems to not know much about lyrium (any kind of lyrium) at all. Now he could be pretending but since all the convos are initiated by Solas and he does seem to be curious I would say it's like he isn't fainning ignorance about this. Which is why I started wondering if maybe Lyrium wasn't a thing back then and if perhaps it's existence is related to the current state of the dawarves.
I'm not sure anyone needed lyrium in the past? Their connection to the fade was enough.
Given Kieran/ Urthemiel's reaction to the dwarf inquisitor was, "You can't be taller without the Titans," that may also back that up. Clearly Titans were a thing the last time (whomever Urthemiel was within the Elven Pantheon)* walked the earth.
I did think the Eluvians were made of Lyrium though? I don't know where I got that idea. Ah yes, the fact that they can transmit the taint as well which requires them to be alive. So Lyrium, alive. Eluvians, alive. But that doesn't mean they are or are not made of Lyrium - we have no way of knowing til more is revealed in the story or codex entries.
As far as I am aware Urthemiel's Elven equivalent hasn't been revealed to us in game.
I think Eluvians are some how made out of super dense fade, but Merril used lyrium (? I'm a little unsure of what happened here, I only played this once when da2 came out) to fix it because she can't draw the much on the fade? Or can't "willify" the fade to become material in the same way ancient elves could.
Just wondering, golems are made by flooding a dwarf's insides with lyrium yes? You'd think that would rekindle their connection to the Fade, as we kind of see with Fenris who gains his phasing abilities from his tattoos. But Shale doesn't have any magical abilities at all, only super strength and freedom from having to rely on food and sleep for sustenance. So, what, are dwarves really completely cut off from the Fade? Perhaps they were never connected at all?
They are also worked on, plied and molded, but I think in this case the lyrium just makes up the casing with the poor dwarf soul inside. It's just an alloy but the two metals doesn't meld properly, the just intertwine, so they wouldn't regain their fade connection I assume a titan would have.
Does this even make sense? I think at some point between listening to backmasking and scouring codex entries I think I left my brain somewhere and I can't find it.
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