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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Mims]

About animal totems for Lavellan...

 

I used to see my girl as the halla. Sort of like a proud, stag like archetype. But as I've gone on playing her, I don't know if that quite fits her anymore. She's not really a wolf either. I think she'd be something like a fox. She's got that red hair, clothes are red, tends to pick either the noble or sarcastic responses. She's much more savvier at the end of the game then she was at the start, kind of like she's grown into the role. 

[jawsisinmywc]

Brace yourselves...jaws can now post her own pictures/screenshots.

1. So this was my first Lavellan. She was so happy there, yet so naive.

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Well, she definitely felt something tingling.

2. My newest Lavellan. Her name is Isylvan.

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3. You see that elf back there? I gonna do him!

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4. Cassandra thinks it's a good idea, therefore she encourages him.

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5. And for some reason Bull started scratching his butt whilst we were out and about.

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[RynJ]

I think young Fen'Harel might have been a bit like Loki. But Solas is more of a subversion to the Loki archetype than he is like him, I'd say. 

 

I agree. I think it's everyone's first instinct to assume Fen'Harel is a Loki, we've been presented evidence of as much, but I think the point of us getting to know Solas before that reveal is to show us that he's in a way a subversion of that. Typically we'd find out an identity and then the character would spend the rest of the time proving assumptions wrong but in Solas' case he proved the assumptions wrong before we even knew who he really was. I think that's pretty cool! Everyone seems to like to fit "tricksters" into a specific box but Solas defies it in so many ways.

 

I'd like to think young Solas wasn't a pure Loki-type too. 

[scintilla]

I can't see my Lav as a bear... they're usually associated with maternal stuff right? Or am I making that up?

 

Definitely as a wolf though. What other scarey things live in the woods? Cougars? Wildcats? Hawks? So many different Lavellan interpretations! I like the Halla one, but It'd be cool to see other ones too.

 

I like ravens. Intelligent, playful, and known to have relationships with wolves.

[Rabbitonfire]

 

Now I just want to make a new inquisitor. I'll name her Helga. She's going to be unpleasant and rude to everyone except Varric. Varric is Helga's quiet, book writing sidekick. But she's going to be a Bully to Solas. Especially Solas. She's going to commission an artist, tell the artist to walk by the room, and paint unflattering pictures of him. The artist ask in his orlesian accent, "why do you wish me to paint someone you dislike, your worship?" And you reply, "That dweeb said the Dalish sucks! I need to fuel my hatred before I sleep and wake up fresh to hate him some more". And so the artist did as he was commanded, 3 pictures all beautifully painted of the apostate's head. One for the door entrance, one for the ceiling above the bed, both full of darts. But the last one is in the closet. Behind the clutter of armor piled high with the entrance wide enough for a scrawny elf to slip through. Artifacts of Solas' resides here. A wisp of hair from his chin, his tankard that went missing 3 months ago, staffs that she passed down to him when she found better equipment only to take it back and claim she was just loaning them to him. And the center piece? A carton of eggs. 

[Elyunha]

Solas, Because Ianto Jones<3

[Tielis]

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Elgar'nan: God of Vengeance Edit
Elgarnan- God of Vengeance
Elgar'nan: God of Vengeance
(ell-GAR-nan)

Long ago, when time itself was young, the only things in existence were the sun and the land. The sun, curious about the land, bowed his head close to her body, and Elgar'nan was born in the place where they touched. As a gift to Elgar'nan, the land brought forth great birds and beasts of sky and forest, and all manner of wonderful green things.
—From Codex entry: Elgar'nan: God of Vengeance
Elgar'nan--also known as the All-Father, the Eldest of the Sun and He Who Overthrew His Father[9]--represents fatherhood and vengeance, and leads the pantheon with the goddess Mythal. He was the first of the elven gods, born of the sun and the earth. According to elven legend, the sun grew jealous of the favor shown by Elgar'nan for the things of the earth, and so burned them to ashes. In retaliation, Elgar'nan threw the sun down from the sky, and only later relented because of Mythal's intervention. He was convinced, with her help, to restore his father to the sky on the promise that the sun would set each night.[9] With the aid of Mythal and his parents, Elgar'nan remade the world. Most elves will invoke Elgar'nan's name when they need to destroy something.

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Mythal: the Great Protector Edit

Mythal- the Great Protector
Mythal: the Great Protector
(mith-al)

It was at this moment that Mythal walked out of the sea of the Earth's tears and onto the land. She placed her hand on Elgar'nan's brow, and at her touch he grew calm and knew that his anger had led him astray.
—From Codex entry: Mythal: the Great Protector
Mythal, the Protector and the All-Mother, and goddess of love[10], is the patron of motherhood and justice and leads the pantheon with her male counterpart, Elgar'nan. In elven legend, when Elgar'nan threw the sun out of the sky in vengeance for burning the earth to ashes, Mythal calmed him and helped him see that he was wrong. Elgar'nan was convinced to free the sun. On the first night after the sun was released Mythal created the moon, from the glowing earth round its bed, to be placed in the sky as a pale reflection of the sun's true glory.[9] Elves will invoke Mythal's name when they require protection. In the past, they also petitioned her on matters of justice and it is said that those who came to her with clear minds and open hearts were granted judgment and protection; Mythal harried their enemies until the end of their days. While those who tried to manipulate her wrath against those they envied or were being petty over imagined slights were swiftly struck down.[11]

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According to an inscription in the Temple of Mythal, however, in addition to the halla, Ghilan'nain had created many other creatures -- giants, monsters, and beasts that spanned across the sky, water, and earth. These creatures Ghilan'nain killed after Andruil approached her with an offer for apotheosis -- all except a few, with the halla being one of them. She thus became known as the youngest elven god.

 

 

I apologize if this theory has already been brought out.

 

So I was thinking about how the Lady of the Forest was supposedly originally the spirit of the great forest.  This made me wonder if ideas of places, or ideas of things and actions can manifest as spirits.  These spirits can then evolve if they choose and take their own shape, like Cole.  Well, maybe they could more easily before the Veil was put up, anyway.  Now Cole's situation is a rarity, as Solas hints at.

 

So, what if Mythal and Elgar'nan were the spirits of the land and sun that evolved into elves?  Specifically, elven mages, because that's what "abominations" are.  They were the first ones to do this, and then the rest of the pantheon followed in their own ways.  That would arguably make those two the strongest.

 

Does the moon jive with Fen'Harel as the wolf, or Andruil as the huntress, like Artemis?  The idea of making things, of crafting, became June, the idea of the physical body dying became Falon'Din, etc.

 

Cole exhibits confusion about the Inquisition itself being like a spirit.  Has the idea of the Inquisition already manifested?  Has it gone into the Inquisitor through the mark?  Maybe this is what Solas means when he asks him/her whether their "spirit" has changed them.

[TanisLave]

About animal totems for Lavellan...

 

I used to see my girl as the halla. Sort of like a proud, stag like archetype. But as I've gone on playing her, I don't know if that quite fits her anymore. She's not really a wolf either. I think she'd be something like a fox. She's got that red hair, clothes are red, tends to pick either the noble or sarcastic responses. She's much more savvier at the end of the game then she was at the start, kind of like she's grown into the role. 

 

I imagine my Lav as a white fox as well! But she could be a cougar/some type of big cat, now that I think about it. 

[Eivuwan]

I was reading about dragons, lyrium, and the veil on the wiki. Apparently dragons were the boss of the land in a time before the veil. That's interesting. That means that at one point, spirits and dragons all lived together. I wonder if there were any elves, dwarfs or humans around that time. It seems like something happened that created the veil and perhaps this action also reduced the power and number of dragons in the land. It is also interesting that blood magic and both types of lyrium have effects on the veil. The blood of the dragons were the blood of the world according to Yavana.

 

If Yavana knew the history of the land, that means that Mythal and the other gods were probably already around during this time. This is probably also the time when "everything sang the same." I am guessing that the dragons and other beings around this time were able to communicate with one language because magic permeated the land.

 

Then for some reason, someone or some group (Solas and Mythal?) decided that there needs to be more separation between the magical/fade realm and the physical realm. Perhaps it is because it led to a sort of stasis in which nothing ever changed. Perhaps, it was related to dragon gods (who may also be elven gods) having wayyy too much power keeping all other creatures in slavery. Then Solas and/or Mythal decided that the only way the other creatures can have more freedom and rights was for the dragon gods to lose a great deal of their power. The only way to do this is to force-ably separate the magical/spiritual/fade realm from the physical realm. They probably accomplished this using dragon blood + lyrium and that is also why these two material are also able to tear the veil. As a result of this action, most of the dragons' power became locked away and maybe also some of their spirit. That is why they became more like mindless beasts than intelligent beings.

 

Unfortunately, things did not turn out as Solas had hoped. Without the gods to rule over them, the other creatures (humans, elves, dwarfs, etc) just end up trying to rule over each other and so there was still slavery. It was still the case that beings who had managed to keep some of their magical powers were able to rule over the rest (Tevinter). Now Solas' plan is to remove the veil and spread the magic more equally hoping that that would be a better solution than trying to remove magic all together.

 

Edit: And considering what Kieran said to the dwarfs and what Dagna said when studying lyrium, it is possible that the land was ruled by giant beings such as dragons and titans and the like before the veil was created.

[Tielis]

Someone had an HQ Eye texture. Not only is the texture higher quality, it is also brighter. This means the shaders that determine the eyecolor will be more vibrant. There aren't any eyecolor comparisons on the page so here's a couple before and after:

 

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I noticed that they eye color got dramatically more "true" and bright when I started using sweetfx, which makes sense since sweetfx is a program that adjusts shading.

 

Oh, and the inner ring of Solas' eyes became more violet, which I love!

[Eivuwan]

Come to think of it. It is a bit aggravating that your Lavellan (if she drank from the well) knows some things that you don't. But then as the player, you know some things that she doesn't (Solas as Fen'harel).

[Mims]

Finally got around to cleaning up some of my favorite screenshots in photoshop. Unfortunately I have a sad quality graphics card, so they are no where near as nice as they could be.

 

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My girl makes a lot of silly faces. 

[RebbyWriter]

Now I just want to make a new inquisitor. I'll name her Helga. She's going to be unpleasant and rude to everyone except Varric. Varric is Helga's quiet, book writing sidekick. But she's going to be a Bully to Solas. Especially Solas. She's going to commission an artist, tell the artist to walk by the room, and paint unflattering pictures of him. The artist ask in his orlesian accent, "why do you wish me to paint someone you dislike, your worship?" And you reply, "That dweeb said the Dalish sucks! I need to fuel my hatred before I sleep and wake up fresh to hate him some more". And so the artist did as he was commanded, 3 pictures all beautifully painted of the apostate's head. One for the door entrance, one for the ceiling above the bed, both full of darts. But the last one is in the closet. Behind the clutter of armor piled high with the entrance wide enough for a scrawny elf to slip through. Artifacts of Solas' resides here. A wisp of hair from his chin, his tankard that went missing 3 months ago, staffs that she passed down to him when she found better equipment only to take it back and claim she was just loaning them to him. And the center piece? A carton of eggs. 

MOVE IT, EGGHEAD!

[Fialka]

So there was some talk a few pages back about how golems, basically dwarves filled with lyrium, don't possess magic. That's not quite true, though... If you outfitted Shale with elemental crystals should could actually do elemental damage... And a lot of her abilities were similar to earthy primal magic (she could make it rain boulders and such). The runic golems in that Origins DLC where you help that dwarf find his brother (the name of it is alluding me atm) could actually cast spells (your golem companion could cast healing aura for example). And there was some pretty crazy Fade hoodoo going on in that DLC... Now I really need to replay it...

Also, has anyone here mentioned the Vartierals? (gah, elven spelling... I'm sure I'm missing an "h" in there somewhere) They were constructs, similar to golems. I'm not much of a theory crafter myself, but I feel like there's something there.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Rabbitonfire]

MOVE IT, EGGHEAD!

Solas returns to skyhold:

 

Inquisitor: Guess I owe Varric an Ale. I wasn't sure you were coming back.

Solas: Neither was I for a time, but only a short time-

Inquisitor: GOOD! Because I'm going to kick your butt tomorrow.

Solas: groans

[Sable Rhapsody]

Definitely as a wolf though. What other scarey things live in the woods? Cougars? Wildcats? Hawks? So many different Lavellan interpretations! I like the Halla one, but It'd be cool to see other ones too.

 

Starling for my Lavellan.  In the same vein as the raven mentioned by scintilla, starlings are intelligent, social, and adaptable, with a surprising capacity for learning and mimicry.  Also not typically the sort of animal one thinks of as scary or intimidating, but the little creatures are very hardy and resilient, capable of thriving almost anywhere as long as they have a flock.

 

Huh, my biology nerdery is showing 

[Arlee]

Just wondering, golems are made by flooding a dwarf's insides with lyrium yes? You'd think that would rekindle their connection to the Fade, as we kind of see with Fenris who gains his phasing abilities from his tattoos. But Shale doesn't have any magical abilities at all, only super strength and freedom from having to rely on food and sleep for sustenance. So, what, are dwarves really completely cut off from the Fade? Perhaps they were never connected at all?

 

I think they were definitely connected at some point. Solas' comment about how they basically are wandering around with an arm cut off didn't really seem like he meant just that they were powerless, but more like they had lost a part of themselves (ie their connection to the fade and magic). I wish I had thought to save that banter at the time, there were a lot of key things said. I was just sitting there thinking "wow, that's interesting.. I wonder if.. **** BEHEMOTH... Oh right I'm almost at Ishmael..." and by the time I thought of saving it was too late

 

My main curiosity about it is since Lyrium contains properties of being alive, I wonder if it is almost literally related to the dawarves being cut off. I'm questioning if Lyrium was even a thing back then. Like someone said before wtb the secret book of info BioWare has

 

I'm not sure anyone needed lyrium in the past? Their connection to the fade was enough. 

 

Yea, I am wondering if Lyrium existed back then Eluvians might be made of something similar, but I don't think it was Lyrium they are actually made of. Though... I have weird sort of disturbing thoughts about how those might have been made. Blood magic type of things. I wonder what blood magic would have been back in that time period, with no veil I'd imagine on some level it would function differently. And where exactly did the veil come from and what's it really meant to do? That's something Solas hints at knowing more about but never explains

 

I'm just going to post this again because I really like it. Spoiler for size

 

http://brynhallavell...la-and-the-wolf

 

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I this! Also help by coincidence I have the Ghilan'nain vallaslin, so it works well

[Arlee]

See, this is what I'm really struggling with. If Arlathan pre-dates the separation of the Physical World and the Fade - why would it being founded by dreamers be so important? Wouldn't everyone have equal say over how crap happened because they all had will to shape what was?

If dreamers were important and uthenera a huge deal, then the veil must have existed for quite a friggin long period of time if we gauge it comparatively to the Elvenhan empire. If the veil were a new thing, like fall of Arlathan new thing, that'd only be roughly 2,000 years ago according to the time-math you provided. Pretty sure people would have way more tales about pre-veil life if that were true.

Something doesn't feel right. I'm deeply uncomfortable with the concept of the Veil going up and the Fall of Arlathan happening anywhere near each other on the timeline. They'd have to be a minimum of a thousand years a part. MINIMUM. Again, when I look at his conversations with Cole about what it is he feels guilty about or weighs on his mind, it's more about the eluvians, the as-yet-unnamed-MacGuffin that is lost (totally could've been the foci, but Cole's reaction *gasp* where did it go seems strange because even he knows about the foci at that point in the narrative), and sealing the other gods away.

 

Maybe it's because only Dreamers had real control over magic and could do the most with it? I think Cole's "gasp where did it go?" comment was just about Solas cutting him off from being able to sense him thoughts/feelings not about related to the sealing the other gods away... since Cole directly references them if you tell him to continue.

[Janic99]

I am watching currently videos of ppl reacting to that Solas is Fen Harel

 

priceless... '' WE COULD'VE ROMANCED A GOD? Ö_Ö ''

Me: I TOLD YOU THAT YOU SHOULD'VE KISSED HIM! XD
 

[Arlee]

Oh and on a lighter subject, every time I go to talk to Solas and he says "hello" instead of "Vhenan" or "My Heart" I get a sad

[Kappa Neko]

 

And in hindsight, I kind of feel like sure, he's got reason. My goal as him as my LI is to soothe his pain - as a friend I might stop him, but not as an LI.

But then I thought Garrus was pretty much unaffected, too, if you let him have his vengeance either time - I liked that. He needed to assuage his conscience, and I imagine that Solas is somewhat the same - as a "god," I think guilt weighs on him more than it normally would, because he does theoretically have the kind of power to stop this sort of thing. Lavellan doesn't know this, but I can imagine that she senses it. After all, considering DA:O Dalish origin story where you can just cut down those shems, I don't think a Dalish elf has too many qualms about killing when it's right and it protects those we love.

I keep hearing people say that. My colleague who says he always plays goodie two shoes characters let Sera happily murder people and let her be this flawed immature character because he always does anything to please his love interests. So he doesn't like to kill people and doesn't approve of it but will kill them for the romance.

 

I mean no offense, but this bothers me greatly. I don't see why I should compromise my own morals and let my partner compromise his just because he thinks he needs to do this now. I don't understand either why people distinguish between friends and lovers. I want the people I love to be the best they can. And letting Solas murder a group of mages is letting him foster his anger. And that's not a good thing at all. Solas is in pain no matter if you let him murder the mages or not. You just let one tragedy get bigger and create more suffering if you let him kill the mages. That's why I hate the death penalty. It doesn't bring back the dead, there is no justice in it, it only creates more suffering for those who love the murderer (most people have somebody who loves them).
 

I see Bioware characters and by extension romances as lessons to be learned about our own flaws. Most characters have issues that you can help them become aware of or even fix. And by this you learn something about yourself perhaps. If Solas kills the mages you feed his sense of righteousness that is a dangerous thing for somebody like him who values spirits more than people already. He needs be become less radical.

If you let Sera live in her black and white world, you do her no favor either. Leliana too is blinded by her disillusionment with the world. If you don't soften her up and let her become a hardened divine, she will be incredibly ruthless. Leliana's true self is kind and idealistic, like Solas,  but she has lost her way and will force change with an iron fist if you don't help her reconnect with who she used to be.

 

Btw, I probably have a different opinion about the Solas romance than most people, I think.

Bioware romances are part of their lesson to me, their message of how to be a responsible adult. The romances are usually flawed and perhaps even one-sided because the companions have all these issues that you inevitably have to heal. You become their savior emotionally and that creates an unhealthy dependency of the LI on you for their emotional well-being. Sera is the best example of this. In Mass Effect, Liara was the perfect romance between two equals while the other LIs were stuck in their daddy issues. Liara was Bioware's ideal, I think. I haven't played any other DAI romance other than Solas yet, so I cannot say who's the ideal one here. Possibly Cassandra who's pretty much on Liara's level of independent awesomeness.

To me the Solas romance is about being selfish, disrespecting the other's reservations and plunging both of you into a relationship that was doomed from the beginning to end in a broken heart for all involved. There is a REAL lesson to be learned from that romance. In the end you realize how downright cruel it was of you to seduce Solas and make him fall in love with you. He dumps you, but YOU are the one who hurt him a lot more in the long run. Without knowing why, but that's beside the point. That's no excuse. He didn't say why but he said no and you stick your tongue down his throat anyway and make him compromise himself. He should have resisted, he flirted with you and then he lost his self-control too. Both are to blame, but I felt like **** at the end for doing this to him...

I know that the Solas romance seems so very romantic. And in a way it really is. But it's so symbolic to me of how so many people these days rush into relationships without knowing what they're getting into. We hurt ourselves over and over with this behavior.

I know, Solas didn't have to end the relationship, he could have shared. And it could have been a supportive relationship. He could have greatly benefited from ending his self-imposed isolation. But he didn't want to compromise his agenda. And that's something that Lavellan should have respected from the start, that he's not available. In the end he did the right thing by keeping her out of it. I consider that the mature decision. He caved in to his emotional needs, and I don't want to sound harsh, but that was selfish, especially because he knew it couldn't last. He even admits it. He wants to change the world and that should be more important that his personal needs. I'm not sure at all he can have both. He certainly thinks he can't. It's very appealing to think there is a future for a god and a mortal woman, and believe me, I can get carried away by that fantasy. I'm a great romantic at heart. But they are not equals and live in very different worlds even now that she can walk the fade. He knows it. He has a responsibility to fix his mistake. And her responsibilities lie with the inquisition and "her" people. It's best to protect those we love by keeping them out of it. There may come a time to be together when they have fulfilled their duties, but now is not the time for selfish distractions. Solas knew that all along.

My take on this anyway

[Sable Rhapsody]

I am watching currently videos of ppl reacting to that Solas is Fen Harel

 

priceless... '' WE COULD'VE ROMANCED A GOD? Ö_Ö ''

Me: I TOLD YOU THAT YOU SHOULD'VE KISSED HIM! XD
 

 

In most BioWare romances, the PC is the one who's more powerful, more influential, more everything because, well, s/he's the PC.  In the Baldur's Gate series, you're basically a demigod by the end, and chances are that your LI's a badass but essentially normal person.  It's nice to get the reverse dynamic for a change, even if quizzy does have the Anchor.

[Hedinve]

Solas being a trickster does not mean that he is evil. Tricksters  often help out but they make a mess of things too, often accidentally. I've been rereading Joseph Campell, James Frazer and Levi-Strauss stuff (skimming through, not really reading) and I think Solas as a character has several roles. He is the trickster and the mentor, he is Lavellans Goddess (true love), but he also has his own Hero Journey where Lavellan sadly ends up as Woman as Temptress (He has to resist her to complete his Quest). Also I now remember clearly why structuralism annoys me.