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Plus... up till that point I thought he was always so controlled, what he needs is not more of that, but release. That's what I wanted to offer, and that sometimes includes letting emotion guide you, as long as there are limits on it. Normally this wouldn't be on the right level, I mean, killing a bunch of people is not my idea of "release," but we're talking in DAI context - I wanted to find the spots that Solas actually cares deeply about, because those are the points where you get to know him best. If he can let himself feel that pain and cement it forever, it's like he just created a foothold for me to peer over his walls. Plus I would have been spitting mad if our positions were reversed and he stopped me.
 
Truthfully, though, I wasn't sure what would happen. How is it that fights normally take so long and all of a sudden Solas is able to wipe them all out with a stroke of power? Hmmmm, suspiciouuuus.

I see what you're saying and for the most part I would agree with you if it wasn't that it involved killing people for him to feel better. Yes, we are going on a rampage across Southern Thedas killing everything on our way to establish the Inquisition, however that's a bit unfair since it's a gameplay mechanic and it's not like we have other options for the most part. Heck while judging people on the throne, I tend to not kill people as often. I don't know, I'm more forgiving in that sense (depending on the character as well, I'm not saying everyone deserves to live, specially in Thedas but killing strictly based on emotion is just dangerous).

 

Solas is always in control and I agree that is a delight to see even raging Solas but I felt he wouldn't have appreciated killing people based on his emotions. I wasn't gonna give him a pat on the back for killing people out of vengeance just so he could vent his anger and sadness. Not healthy on my book lol

 

 

Well, to clarify my position on this at least, I identify with this sentiment, too. My romantic mind constructed something more along these lines: on a spirit level (and as I said above, I do not mean rummaging around in my head), he probably has waaaay more power to visit/learn about anyone's spirit than anyone else in existence (to our present knowledge and with the possible exception of other "gods" real or otherwise). He does have a connection, a bond struck up with Lavellan that is unintentional, but also I'd like to imagine it in a way that he has the power to "see you truly" in spirit and restrains himself exactly because he knows that he wants to draw closer... I think that explains his whole hesitation in the Fade kiss scene. He knows that he's about to let his mask slip and "learn" you in a very intimate, Fade-y way (yes, I know that was lame). He respects your privacy and yet finds your spirit irresistible, there is a potential for deep understanding that goes beyond merely being lovers. And he may have a partner not just physically, but in the Fade! That's huge for someone so alone and so much in his element there.
 
So, I think that he wants nothing more than to go to you, yet instead he kind of "draws you in" by initiating the means to get you into your dreams. It's of your own volition, but he does not have to sacrifice his principles or violate his respect for you by going "too far too soon."
 
This totally has more laced in it than I intended originally, but ah well.

See I actually like what you said here even though I feel there has to be a very very delicate balance. I'm a person that likes my privacy so I think what makes me the most uncomfortable is that Lavellan isn't aware of what Solas is and what his powers can do (Heck, we don't either, not exactly). Mind melding, their joining of spirits or whatever you want to call it, sounds great an all, even though I don't think my Lavellan is a spiritual person. She's very practical and all she knows is this amazing connection she has with him. If I was in that situation I would want to know exactly what is happening and how deep this connection is affecting me. This goes to something more deep and spiritual and I think if you're not so inclined to accept those concepts then you have a hard time accepting you have a connection with someone spiritually.

 

I think you had a much better way of explaining my initial concern but it's not really a big deal. I find their attraction incredibly charming and intimate, so maybe your explanation of them having a spiritual connection is not entirely wrong but I would like my Lavellan to be more informed of what's happening. There are different levels of comfort here.  :)


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Does Solas bawl the Inquisitor out for keeping the Wardens?

 

I remember getting a "Solas Greatly Disapproves" alert right away, and he sighed in exasperation, but the scene continued. I expected to get chewed out by it afterwards, but when I talked to him after Here Lies the Abyss I got the "All New, Faded For Her" quest request instead.

 

If I missed a "How could you keep the Wardens?!" cutscene that was supposed to trigger, I'm happy for it, but I just want to know.

Sorry I should've been more specific. I don't recall a confrontation per se about it but I remember being really confused about him disapproving my decision.



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J.Campell; "And when the adventurer, in this context, is not a youth but a maid, she is the one who, by her qualities, her beauty, or her yearning, is fit to become the consort of an immortal. Then the heavenly husband descends to her and conducts her to his bed—whether she will or not. And if she has shunned him, the scales fall from her eyes; if she has sought him, her desire finds its peace" 

Oh gawd... Weekes, stop reading Campell! Or should he read more Campell, as we then get our happy ending? Both Hero Journeys complete, they are granted the boon of love.


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part one of the fan comic:Fan comic of how Solas and Lavellan met for the first time. Later he wiped her memory. (she ran away from the camp because she is a mage and just learned about the fade but her parents were scared of her visiting there because it can be dangerous and for her age she does not really know how it works or how the things are yet but she thinks she is in no danger. ) 

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Part 2:

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Sorry about my hand writing lol XD I gotta do this better and when I will get my scanner I will have no probs.. I should probably use my drawing tablet to do these.. just.. have had problems with the installation.



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J.Campell; "And when the adventurer, in this context, is not a youth but a maid, she is the one who, by her qualities, her beauty, or her yearning, is fit to become the consort of an immortal. 

 

I can't decide if I want this to be their happy ending, or if I want my Lavellan to run away screaming  :P

 

Maybe it's just me, but my Lavellan is such a normal person compared to most of my PCs, who tend to be mages or the setting equivalent (biotics, Jedi, etc.)  Clariel was a scout before all this happened; she doesn't have any magic independent of the Anchor, which is essentially Solas's magic. She's basically the Arthur Dent who gets caught up in all this business of gods and spirits and ancient secrets.  I keep wondering if at a certain point, she'll just decide this is all way above her pay grade.


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Ok Solas-o-philes, I just had a curious conversation between Cole, Solas, and Sera about a potential war in the Fade as I was traveling through the Hinterlands.  Cole and Solas say that such a war would be terrible, Cole says that it was wrong to hide it in a little girl, and then Sera called them both nutters.  Unfortunately, I missed the details.  Does anyone have a proper transcript of this conversation?



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I can't decide if I want this to be their happy ending, or if I want my Lavellan to run away screaming  :P

 

Maybe it's just me, but my Lavellan is such a normal person compared to most of my PCs, who tend to be mages or the setting equivalent (biotics, Jedi, etc.)  Clariel was a scout before all this happened; she doesn't have any magic independent of the Anchor, which is essentially Solas's magic. She's basically the Arthur Dent who gets caught up in all this business of gods and spirits and ancient secrets.  I keep wondering if at a certain point, she'll just decide this is all way above her pay grade.

 

Reason I like my Lav being a Archer/ranger type, being a mage, having the anchor, and drinking from the well SEEMED SO excessive. 


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Omg..

All new faded for her

NEVER WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WITH THOSE LETTERS YOU GET:

Dread Wolf Fen'Harel

omfg *mindfuck*


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Knowing BioWare they will completely ignore the traditional myth route and subvert the whole thing, giving us a crappy ending. I'm hoping for a creative twist on tradition here.



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http://phemiec.tumbl...thing-short-and

 

Someone needs to make an MV with this song.


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I keep hearing people say that. My colleague who says he always plays goodie two shoes characters let Sera happily murder people and let her be this flawed immature character because he always does anything to please his love interests. So he doesn't like to kill people and doesn't approve of it but will kill them for the romance.
 
I mean no offense, but this bothers me greatly. I don't see why I should compromise my own morals and let my partner compromise his just because he thinks he needs to do this now. I don't understand either why people distinguish between friends and lovers. I want the people I love to be the best they can. And letting Solas murder a group of mages is letting him foster his anger. And that's not a good thing at all. Solas is in pain no matter if you let him murder the mages or not. You just let one tragedy get bigger and create more suffering if you let him kill the mages. That's why I hate the death penalty. It doesn't bring back the dead, there is no justice in it, it only creates more suffering for those who love the murderer (most people have somebody who loves them).
 
I see Bioware characters and by extension romances as lessons to be learned about our own flaws. Most characters have issues that you can help them become aware of or even fix. And by this you learn something about yourself perhaps. If Solas kills the mages you feed his sense of righteousness that is a dangerous thing for somebody like him who values spirits more than people already. He needs be become less radical.
If you let Sera live in her black and white world, you do her no favor either. Leliana too is blinded by her disillusionment with the world. If you don't soften her up and let her become a hardened divine, she will be incredibly ruthless. Leliana's true self is kind and idealistic, like Solas,  but she has lost her way and will force change with an iron fist if you don't help her reconnect with who she used to be.
 
Btw, I probably have a different opinion about the Solas romance than most people, I think.
Bioware romances are part of their lesson to me, their message of how to be a responsible adult. The romances are usually flawed and perhaps even one-sided because the companions have all these issues that you inevitably have to heal. You become their savior emotionally and that creates an unhealthy dependency of the LI on you for their emotional well-being. Sera is the best example of this. In Mass Effect, Liara was the perfect romance between two equals while the other LIs were stuck in their daddy issues. Liara was Bioware's ideal, I think. I haven't played any other DAI romance other than Solas yet, so I cannot say who's the ideal one here. Possibly Cassandra who's pretty much on Liara's level of independent awesomeness.
To me the Solas romance is about being selfish, disrespecting the other's reservations and plunging both of you into a relationship that was doomed from the beginning to end in a broken heart for all involved. There is a REAL lesson to be learned from that romance. In the end you realize how downright cruel it was of you to seduce Solas and make him fall in love with you. He dumps you, but YOU are the one who hurt him a lot more in the long run. Without knowing why, but that's beside the point. That's no excuse. He didn't say why but he said no and you stick your tongue down his throat anyway and make him compromise himself. He should have resisted, he flirted with you and then he lost his self-control too. Both are to blame, but I felt like **** at the end for doing this to him...
I know that the Solas romance seems so very romantic. And in a way it really is. But it's so symbolic to me of how so many people these days rush into relationships without knowing what they're getting into. We hurt ourselves over and over with this behavior.
I know, Solas didn't have to end the relationship, he could have shared. And it could have been a supportive relationship. He could have greatly benefited from ending his self-imposed isolation. But he didn't want to compromise his agenda. And that's something that Lavellan should have respected from the start, that he's not available. In the end he did the right thing by keeping her out of it. I consider that the mature decision. He caved in to his emotional needs, and I don't want to sound harsh, but that was selfish, especially because he knew it couldn't last. He even admits it. He wants to change the world and that should be more important that his personal needs. I'm not sure at all he can have both. He certainly thinks he can't. It's very appealing to think there is a future for a god and a mortal woman, and believe me, I can get carried away by that fantasy. I'm a great romantic at heart. But they are not equals and live in very different worlds even now that she can walk the fade. He knows it. He has a responsibility to fix his mistake. And her responsibilities lie with the inquisition and "her" people. It's best to protect those we love by keeping them out of it. There may come a time to be together when they have fulfilled their duties, but now is not the time for selfish distractions. Solas knew that all along.
My take on this anyway ;)

I'm about to head out to a two year olds birthday party. So I don't have time to say everything I want to but any emotional damage Solas obtained through his break up with Lavellan was 100% NOT her fault. She may have initiated the flirts and kisses, but HE went and accepted it rather eagerly. I agree that Solas was selfish. He knew who he was, he knew he was keeping things from Lavellan, he KNEW. She had no reason to suspect getting into a relationship with him would be a bad idea (blasphemy! What am I saying?) other than a few half-hearted "we shouldn't do this"s. Solas had a huge power (knowledge) displacement over Lavellan and I can completely understand players and their Lavellan's feeling used.
If I misunderstood you I apologize. Gotta head out! Check on things later!
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http://phemiec.tumbl...thing-short-and

 

Someone needs to make an MV with this song.

* coughs * 

I think I am the only one here who does all the mv's of them and also by requests.. 
So I can help with that *Giggles*



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Haha! I know, it's just when I pop in to make a comment and you guys are getting all in-depth it actually makes me feel like how it would if we were all just sitting at a table talking about it and I just said that in the middle of the conversation.

 

"So, Mythal/Flemeth/Andraste -"

"SOLAS' LIGHT FRECKLES ARE A PLEASING SIDE BENEFIT!!!1!!"

 

*blinks* "Um...Wut?"

 

In other news, I'm going back to school in a few days..which means that I am never going to be able to catch back up to this thread. *sighs for 5 years straight*

 

That feeling absolutely works both ways, don't worry about it.  ^w^  Same scenario from my end: everybody's having a great time, finding amazing art and fic and headcanons and suddenly I slam both hands on the table all excited and shout "GUYS.  GUYS!!!   Solas is totally Anubis!"

 

...then there's total silence for a few seconds, until someone goes, "....yyyeah.  Can somebody get madrar's meds?  She's doing it again."  

 

So I sit back down, take my pills, and things go back to normal.  It's all good.  


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For everyone who still has not seen my videos (MV's) you can always request videos! I will be happy to make them for you! 

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I was planning on making my Lavellan again with new gameplay through because I hid the Vallaslin but I feel now like I should have put it haha.



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I am watching currently videos of ppl reacting to that Solas is Fen Harel

 

priceless... '' WE COULD'VE ROMANCED A GOD? Ö_Ö ''

Me: I TOLD YOU THAT YOU SHOULD'VE KISSED HIM! XD
 

 

Don't they feel sheepish? XD

 

EDIT: Actually, it reminds me of that Avril Lavigne song.

 

"Sorry girl, but you missed out.

Well, tough luck, that man's mine now.

We are more than just good friends.

This is how the story ends.

Too bad that you couldn't see...

See the god that man could be.

There is more than meets the eyes.

I see the soul that is inside."

 

I keep hearing people say that. My colleague who says he always plays goodie two shoes characters let Sera happily murder people and let her be this flawed immature character because he always does anything to please his love interests. So he doesn't like to kill people and doesn't approve of it but will kill them for the romance.

 

I mean no offense, but this bothers me greatly. I don't see why I should compromise my own morals and let my partner compromise his just because he thinks he needs to do this now. I don't understand either why people distinguish between friends and lovers. I want the people I love to be the best they can. And letting Solas murder a group of mages is letting him foster his anger. And that's not a good thing at all. Solas is in pain no matter if you let him murder the mages or not. [snip]

 

It reminds me of those players who romanced Fenris and let him murder Varania and/or side with the Templars at the end just because they're afraid of making him mad or upset.

 

Simply agreeing with characters and letting them have their way even if you know it's not right and/or not good for them doesn't do them or yourself any favors. More glaring when people say, "As a friend I would stop them, but as a love interest..." No, as a love interest you should be looking out for their best interests and pushing them to better people the same way you would if they were just your friend. If you know that letting them make certain decisions isn't right when you're just friends, how does it suddenly become okay just because you're in love? "Love" doesn't replace sound judgement, moral direction, or other such.

 

Now, Solas' personal quest is pretty morally grey, so people can walk away with different views. There are people who feel that letting him kill the mages really is the right thing to do, or they would have done it too, or whatever. If you really think that, fine. But I personally get nervous when I see people say, "As a friend I would do X, but as a love interest..." because they shouldn't be different. 

 

Just because you're in love doesn't mean you always have to agree or let your love interest have their way because they think it's what they want/need at the time. You can still be supportive and try to help ease their pain without letting them lash out blindly. In BioWare games particularly, they make it clear time and time again that simply letting characters get revenge never makes them feel better. (Letting Fenris kill Varania doesn't make him feel better; just emptier and lonelier than ever. Letting Cole try to kill the Templar doesn't make him feel better, as Varric shows him.) How is it any different for Solas?

 

Just my view.


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For everyone who still has not seen my videos (MV's) you can always request videos! I will be happy to make them for you! 

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I was planning on making my Lavellan again with new gameplay through because I hid the Vallaslin but I feel now like I should have put it haha.

 

Well, you don't have to make it for Me. I just think that it's fitting to make an MV from a song that is written for Solas and Lavellan.


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That feeling absolutely works both ways, don't worry about it.  ^w^  Same scenario from my end: everybody's having a great time, finding amazing art and fic and headcanons and suddenly I slam both hands on the table all excited and shout "GUYS.  GUYS!!!   Solas is totally Anubis!"

 

...then there's total silence for a few seconds, until someone goes, "....yyyeah.  Can somebody get madrar's meds?  She's doing it again."  

 

So I sit back down, take my pills, and things go back to normal.  It's all good.  

 

Hedinve then comes a long, completely out of sync with both the fluff and the theories because she is metatheorizing trying to prove video game worlds as 70% real. I think this entire thread consists of some great odd balls.


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I see what you're saying Kappa Neko and in fact the reason I couldn't feel anger with Solas about what happened to our relationship was because I initiated it.   He didn't pursue me, I very much pursued him.   He started off by saying it was wrong and later that it would be kinder not to pursue (for him I think as much as me).   Strangely enough, with me (I don't know if this is the case with everyone), he only allowed it to go beyond that first kiss after he had lost his friend "Wisdom".   I keep thinking that could be meant as symbolism or the very least that he began seeing Lavellan as her replacement (he does after all comment on your wisdom in what he admires about you).   

 

I am not so concerned about a "happy ever after" ending for the romance as I am about the direction they will take will Solas' character.   Apart from the odd occasion (such as his fury at the mages) and no one is perfect, Solas came across as a tragic heroic figure, as Cole says he is both bright and sad.    That is what I so love about him.   Today he was talking with Iron Bull and the latter was saying about enjoying fighting and Solas makes it clear he fights out of necessity and that IB should not forget that every person we kill has relatives who will mourn for them, etc.    So often he seems to be the moral conscience behind the party and he always challenges people who complacently seem to accept the status quo or their willingness to sacrifice the individual for the sake of social order (I'm particularly thinking of the Qun here).   Whatever he has done in the past he clearly has enormous sadness and regret.     I'd like him to eventually be happy but I really want him to survive because much in the same way he feels about Cole, I feel that it is important to have Solas in the world.     To be honest, if they turn him into an antagonist and worse still make it that our next PC has to kill him (with no option to do otherwise), I think I will refuse to do so and simply not complete the game.   



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*Snip*

Just because you're in love doesn't mean you always have to agree or let your love interest have their way because they think it's what they want/need at the time. You can still be supportive and try to help ease their pain without letting them lash out blindly. In BioWare games particularly, they make it clear time and time again that simply letting characters get revenge never makes them feel better. (Letting Fenris kill Varania doesn't make him feel better; just emptier and lonelier than ever. Letting Cole try to kill the Templar doesn't make him feel better, as Varric shows him. How is it any different for Solas?)

 

Just my view.

 

And Solas is great! I mean, in my first playthrough I made a few big decisions that he didn't like such as not letting him kill the mages, taking the wardens in, letting Cole be human, and drinking from the well. Solas loves you anyway! He thinks you are perfect just the way you are even if you keep the vallaslin. Solas loves you for you and it's ok to disagree with him. Well, you do have to agree enough for compatibility, but you don't have to be his twin.


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I see Bioware characters and by extension romances as lessons to be learned about our own flaws.

Hopefully you realize that not everyone plays games as moral self-improvement, but for escapism and to tell an interesting story. I think games as with fiction can teach us empathy but that's not always achieved by the "paragon" route (I saw your post in another thread where you said paragon is the way Mass Effect was meant to be played- and I disagree). For one thing, in a harsh world, the good option is not always the most merciful or non-violent. I don't let Solas kill the mages in that quest, but there's a good case that they're a danger to themselves and others.
 

To me the Solas romance is about being selfish, disrespecting the other's reservations and plunging both of you into a relationship that was doomed from the beginning to end in a broken heart for all involved. There is a REAL lesson to be learned from that romance. In the end you realize how downright cruel it was of you to seduce Solas and make him fall in love with you.

Hello, what? If you hold off on hitting the first heart, you can get Solas saying that he would find it fascinating to see your will dominated, and Lavellan has done nothing but initiate polite conversation. This was not a one way street. Responsible adults are responsible for their choices and that includes Solas' decision to pursue a flirtation, then pursue a romance when Lavellan specifically says "take all the time you need." He's the one who comes back. I simply don't agree that Lavellan is somehow guilty of wrong because she didn't know something that Solas went to great pains to conceal from her. Sure, the relationship isn't healthy because it's built on dishonesty, but that is mostly on Solas.

Again, not everyone plays a game in order to see healthy people doing responsible things and always making the right choices. That's kind of boring actually.
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Haha! I know, it's just when I pop in to make a comment and you guys are getting all in-depth it actually makes me feel like how it would if we were all just sitting at a table talking about it and I just said that in the middle of the conversation.

 

"So, Mythal/Flemeth/Andraste -"

"SOLAS' LIGHT FRECKLES ARE A PLEASING SIDE BENEFIT!!!1!!"

 

*blinks* "Um...Wut?"

 

In other news, I'm going back to school in a few days..which means that I am never going to be able to catch back up to this thread. *sighs for 5 years straight*

HAHA don't worry that's me too. I can't really theorize too much or get too fancy with it because I'm too lazy to read codexes so I'd rather read people's theories. They're much better at it than I.

 

Also I drop by and talk about Solas' feelings because I want to dissect him at an emotional level LOL.

 

Someone has to do it!!


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That feeling absolutely works both ways, don't worry about it.  ^w^  Same scenario from my end: everybody's having a great time, finding amazing art and fic and headcanons and suddenly I slam both hands on the table all excited and shout "GUYS.  GUYS!!!   Solas is totally Anubis!"

 

...then there's total silence for a few seconds, until someone goes, "....yyyeah.  Can somebody get madrar's meds?  She's doing it again."  

 

So I sit back down, take my pills, and things go back to normal.  It's all good.  

 

I know this is just a joke but..I totally want to draw that.

 

Maker preserve me. :P



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*snip*

Again, not everyone plays a game in order to see healthy people doing responsible things and always making the right choices. That's kind of boring actually.

 

Through mistakes we learn, through mistakes we grow. Perhaps it would be nice if happiness can be sweet without ever having to experience pain, but I believe that happiness can only be fully appreciated because of all the times it was missing.


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This has probably been brought up by now, but why are there infected elves inside  an infected halla in the mural here?

 

Re:  Halla w/people inside:

 

I think it may be a clue to what Halla are.  We learned Ghilan'ain didn't get transformed into a halla herself, but we don't know for sure what she did make the halla from.  My suspicion is that elven slaves were turned into the halla, which is why, though their reasoning for it has been twisted over the centuries, the Dalish honor halla not as livestock or as pets, but as people in their own right.  Because they are.

 

Also a very good reason to try to avoid killing halla.  They might be people.

 

http://forum.bioware...i-fanfic/page-1

I'm following this fanfic. I think it is really well done and I can't wait for the next part. Solas and lavellan romance forever.

 

That's mine.  Thank you for the praise!

 

 

This was what I came up with the last time we talked about his tarot card

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We see the Sun = Elgar'nan

The Moon = Mythal

His mouth is covered (keeping secrets) = Dirthamen

Halla on the staff = Ghilan'nain

Fire = Sylaise

 

But idk about the rest...

I looked at the vallaslin to see if there's some clue, but what I came up with would be really far fetched

June's vallaslin has those dots under the eyes and Dirthamen's has those things that look like waves

 

 

Looks like a halo to me... as others pointed out.  Basically a big hint that "oh hey this guy's a god" from the artists.  Should have seen that sooner... I did guess early on he was probably an elven god (already HIGHLY suspected he was ancient) but I don't think I ever noticed the halo.

 

Can we just talk about the surgeon in Skyhold for a moment? The first time I met her, she was all "Magic is antiquated, the future of Thedas is to be found in Science"

 

And I was like, YES SCIENCE

 

And then she started talking about leeches and bleeding and I was like, ermm, ok, I'll take my elfroot, thanks

 

 

YES! I was so excited about where that was going and then ... leeches. Maybe she's secretly a blood mage and leeches are her sneaky-sneak way to get it in Skyhold without anyone noticing. Super sneaky blood mage style. Unlike... Jowan. Least sneaky blood mage.

Joking aside, I would likewise be interested in more people in Thedas heading down the mind of science!

 

 

Re:  Science replacing magic.

 

If science replaced magic entirely in Thedas, it would no longer be the world we know and love.  We couldn't go on for pages about lyrium and the sources of magic, or the ancient elven gods, or discuss mages, etc.

 

I'd rather see magic return full-force in order to be able to be used for practical applications.  I believe the ancient elves used some amount of magic for such things (not all things), and Solas points out that the Dalish are very practical in their magic use.

 

That said, relying entirely on magic is probably not wise, and herbal remedies like elfroot should not be scoffed at.

 

That's my only real objection to science/machinery vs. magic.  I don't want my fantasy game horses and harts to be replaced with sputtering, smoking cars.  Thedas is dirty enough from the Blight, let's not add pollution to it too.


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Ok Solas-o-philes, I just had a curious conversation between Cole, Solas, and Sera about a potential war in the Fade as I was traveling through the Hinterlands.  Cole and Solas say that such a war would be terrible, Cole says that it was wrong to hide it in a little girl, and then Sera called them both nutters.  Unfortunately, I missed the details.  Does anyone have a proper transcript of this conversation?

 

Oh my god, Zerebus.  You just made the pieces click for me.  I could hug you!!

 

Cole: A war in the Fade, waged with human hatred. (Shudders.) I should never want to see that.
Solas: It would be a terrible thing.
Cole: It was wrong to hide it in the child. It hurt her.

 

The actual movie reference is Prophecy, but the in-game connection is probably what the Stone is, which would mean that what we know of as Thedas... the actual planet... is a dragon egg.  Literally.  A God-dragon egg.  Mythal's, to be specific.  And the Void was placed at the very center of it.  The Child's body is literally acting as a prison for the Sun, which as we know is leaking blight- like an infection, hurting her, though her Dwarven "immune system" is fighting it.  

 

Holy crap.  Thank you.  The whole "Mythal is the Earth, but the actual planet can't be made of her physical corpse because it's still somewhat alive" thing was driving me nuts.   This fits.   I like it.   Yes.

 

My God, though.  That would make the Fade the Child's soul.  And that.... I mean.... this is getting very....

 

*lies down on the floor*