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[Hedinve]

“The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast.”

 

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Nexus_Golem

[madrar]

I know this is just a joke but..I totally want to draw that.

 

Maker preserve me.

 

*looks around nervously*

 

Ha.  Hahaha.... yyyyeah.  Totally a joke. 

 

I mean, not literally obviously.  But as a completely intended parallel thrown in by Gaider, to make us think about the Solas -> Dread Wolf -> Falon'Din/Dirthamen connection.... 

[buyachakka]

Oh and on a lighter subject, every time I go to talk to Solas and he says "hello" instead of "Vhenan" or "My Heart" I get a sad

 

Whenever that happens I click on him until he finally says it and then I am walking away happily and satisfied.. do I have a problem..?

[Vita Brevis]

I see what you're saying Kappa Neko and in fact the reason I couldn't feel anger with Solas about what happened to our relationship was because I initiated it.   He didn't pursue me, I very much pursued him.   He started off by saying it was wrong and later that it would be kinder not to pursue (for him I think as much as me).   Strangely enough, with me (I don't know if this is the case with everyone), he only allowed it to go beyond that first kiss after he had lost his friend "Wisdom".   I keep thinking that could be meant as symbolism or the very least that he began seeing Lavellan as her replacement (he does after all comment on your wisdom in what he admires about you).   

Aaand I was just thinking about romancing Solas. For some reason, I don't think it's such a good idea anymore.

[Janic99]

which vallaslins did you guys take for your characters? 

[Mims]

June, but the decision was entirely cosmetic. If I went by personality, she should probably have Dirthamen's or Elgar'nan. Not a big fan of Elgar'nan's, so perhaps next playthrough she'll have the correct marking.

 

Should a god appear in DLC to be our villain, I'll switch to whatever marking that is theirs for drama. 

[RynJ]

Aaand I was just thinking about romancing Solas. For some reason, I don't think it's such a good idea anymore.

 

I don't think he sees you as a replacement for that spirit. If I remember correctly, I got his second kiss before his personal quest? Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I don't think it's dependent on that. Solas just admires wisdom as a trait in general and I wouldn't assume anything else beyond that.

 

Nothing in that romance made me feel like Solas loved you for any other reason than he actually loves you. For example, I think his whole questioning about the mark changing you during his balcony scene is him trying to find an easy answer for why he feels the way he does about you. If the mark didn't alter you, it means he found someone wise and beautiful and worthwhile on their own merit in the modern world, which we know he struggles with. I've seen theories that he thinks you're a replacement for something or that you have some kind of spirit in you and that's why he cares but I think all that is reaching, personally.

 

Also, the romance is a complete two-way street. You initiate the flirting but Solas returns it just as strongly. You grab him to kiss him but then he grabs you to kiss you again. Every time he seems like he's trying to pull away, it's clear that he doesn't actually want to. It takes the tiniest nudge before he's back to you again. Also, when he asks for time to think after the first kiss you grant it to him and, after that thinking time, he decides on the balcony to bring the kiss up again. That means he made his choice, albeit tentatively. I don't like this idea that Lavellan "coerced" him into the romance and then gets what she asked for.

[LliiraAnna]

Btw, I probably have a different opinion about the Solas romance than most people, I think.
Bioware romances are part of their lesson to me, their message of how to be a responsible adult. The romances are usually flawed and perhaps even one-sided because the companions have all these issues that you inevitably have to heal. You become their savior emotionally and that creates an unhealthy dependency of the LI on you for their emotional well-being. Sera is the best example of this. In Mass Effect, Liara was the perfect romance between two equals while the other LIs were stuck in their daddy issues. Liara was Bioware's ideal, I think. I haven't played any other DAI romance other than Solas yet, so I cannot say who's the ideal one here. Possibly Cassandra who's pretty much on Liara's level of independent awesomeness.
To me the Solas romance is about being selfish, disrespecting the other's reservations and plunging both of you into a relationship that was doomed from the beginning to end in a broken heart for all involved. There is a REAL lesson to be learned from that romance. In the end you realize how downright cruel it was of you to seduce Solas and make him fall in love with you. He dumps you, but YOU are the one who hurt him a lot more in the long run. Without knowing why, but that's beside the point. That's no excuse. He didn't say why but he said no and you stick your tongue down his throat anyway and make him compromise himself. He should have resisted, he flirted with you and then he lost his self-control too. Both are to blame, but I felt like **** at the end for doing this to him...
I know that the Solas romance seems so very romantic. And in a way it really is. But it's so symbolic to me of how so many people these days rush into relationships without knowing what they're getting into. We hurt ourselves over and over with this behavior.
I know, Solas didn't have to end the relationship, he could have shared. And it could have been a supportive relationship. He could have greatly benefited from ending his self-imposed isolation. But he didn't want to compromise his agenda. And that's something that Lavellan should have respected from the start, that he's not available. In the end he did the right thing by keeping her out of it. I consider that the mature decision. He caved in to his emotional needs, and I don't want to sound harsh, but that was selfish, especially because he knew it couldn't last. He even admits it. He wants to change the world and that should be more important that his personal needs. I'm not sure at all he can have both. He certainly thinks he can't. It's very appealing to think there is a future for a god and a mortal woman, and believe me, I can get carried away by that fantasy. I'm a great romantic at heart. But they are not equals and live in very different worlds even now that she can walk the fade. He knows it. He has a responsibility to fix his mistake. And her responsibilities lie with the inquisition and "her" people. It's best to protect those we love by keeping them out of it. There may come a time to be together when they have fulfilled their duties, but now is not the time for selfish distractions. Solas knew that all along.
My take on this anyway

Well, I... don't know how or where to start, but here you go.

When I was romancing Solas for the first time, I was really surprised by how often he says "It won't end well" or something like that. And since I spoilered myself before playing, I thought: "Well, THAT's one hell of a warning". The thing here is, I knew it REALLY won't end well. Lav didn't. She isn't Cole and cannot read minds. From her point of view, he's just being insecure/shy/whatever (depends on how you RP your character, really). He flirted back, he returned her affection - AND he didn't flat out tell her "No" after the Fade-kiss scene, he said that he "needs time to think". He could come up with some sort of an explanation as to why this relationship is impossible, but he didn't. Can't blame the girl for not giving up on him.

And here we come to Solas. I agree that his actions were at least a bit selfish. First, for getting into a relationship he knew would not last long or end well; for getting into a relationship while hiding his true identity and goals. Second, for leaving Lav without telling her the truth, leaving her heartbroken and - judging by Cole's banter- blaming herself. But. As people have pointed out, he "fell hard and fast". Spirits aside, she was the first person in a VERY long time to understand and accept him, to care about him. She showed him that things are not as bad as he thought, that there is hope for the world and people in it. So, yes, he's so afraid of losing her that he acts against his better judgment; that's also the reason he couldn't bring himself to tell her who he really is - he was afraid she wouldn't trust him anymore afterwards. And then, he was left with no choice but to break up with her, since he couldn't hide and lie forever.

The way I see it, he breaks up with her because he loves her too much to take a chance of her rejecting him.

Like Solas says, nothing in this world is simply black or white. Yes, this romance IS impulsive, sort of desperate, and a more than a bit selfish. And at the same time - or even because of this - it's so beautiful. The way I see it, it has an incredible impact on Solas - best shown through the difference in his two end game cards. It gives him character development he needed, it allows him to look at the world from another perspective. If nothing else, it makes him happy, even if it does not last.

In short? Worth all the heartbreak.

As always, everything written above is imo only. Feel free to disagree.

[Ajna]

I don't think he sees you as a replacement for that spirit. If I remember correctly, I got his second kiss before his personal quest? Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I don't think it's dependent on that. Solas just admires wisdom as a trait in general and I wouldn't assume anything else beyond that.

 

Nothing in that romance made me feel like Solas loved you for any other reason than he actually loves you. For example, I think his whole questioning about the mark changing you during his balcony scene is him trying to find an easy answer for why he feels the way he does about you. If the mark didn't alter you, it means he found someone wise and beautiful and worthwhile in their own merit in the modern world, which we know he struggles with. I've seen theories that he thinks you're a replacement for something or that you have some kind of spirit in you and that's why he cares but I think all that is reaching, personally.

 

Also, the romance is a complete two-way street. You initiate the flirting but Solas returns it just as strongly. You grab him to kiss him but then he grabs you to kiss you again. Every time he seems like he's trying to pull away, it's clear that he doesn't actually want to. It takes the tiniest nudge before he's back to you again. Also, when he asks for time to think after the first kiss, you grant it to him and, after that thinking time, he decides on the balcony to bring the kiss up again. That means he made his choice, albeit tentatively. I don't like this idea that Lavellan "coerced" him into the romance and then gets what she asked for.

 

This ^ *there were words here but they were a little bit ranty which is not really something I do very often so I made them go away*

 

But yeah, I totally agree with you Ryn.

[InkQuest]

which vallaslins did you guys take for your characters? 

 

Mythal, and my choice can be summed up with "I thought it looked cool" lol

[javeart]

Reason I like my Lav being a Archer/ranger type, being a mage, having the anchor, and drinking from the well SEEMED SO excessive. 

 

I feel the same way, I'd made an archer Lavellan canon, if a  mage was not the only thing I enjoy playing

 

Whenever that happens I click on him until he finally says it and then I am walking away happily and satisfied.. do I have a problem..?

 

No, we don't

[mindoirs]

I'm pretty sure Solas is more than a capable adult, especially when considering his age, to make it as if Lavellan was some evil seductress...

[Addai]

You can definitely get Fade Tongue before you do his personal quest.

I think the "replacement" worries are a wee bit insecure. He tells you from the beginning that he has close friends, naming Wisdom and Purpose. I'm pretty sure that a guy as composed and thoughtful as Solas wouldn't hit the elf chick on the rebound. He's also lost many friends before- hence his very weary "It hurts. It always does." So it's not like he's unacquainted with grief.

[Janic99]

Mythal. The most complicated design. (Go big or go home! )

 

She is beautiful! I took Halla because I somehow think Halla + Wolf makes a cute couple lol

[Eivuwan]

Is there a balcony kiss scene if you choose to kill his friend and say that demons must be stopped and just act like a jerk?

[Mims]

As far as whether or not Solas loved Wisdom- I don't think so, at least not romantically. If you pick one of the options to ask whether it is a 'he or a she', he responds 'it'. He didn't mean it in a dismissive way, but the fact that 'she' was so far beyond what our perceptions of a being is. 

 

Solas clearly admires spirits, even idealizes them. Which is part of the reason why I don't think he actually is one himself. He would love to be like a spirit, to just let go and forget. He would love to be just wisdom, or even just pride- any sort of 'pure' existence. But he's not. He's flawed, and he makes mistakes. 

 

It is hard to say exactly what he admires in Lavellan since there are so many different versions of 'who' Lavellan can be. But I would say at the very basic level, he admires her ability to follow her heart and somehow succeed. This is something that Solas does not seem to be able to do as well. He admires her ability to command and attract followers, where as he tends to function alone. 

[LobselVith8]

which vallaslins did you guys take for your characters? 

 

Revas chose Elgar'nan, also known as the All-Father, the Eldest of the Sun and He Who Overthrew His Father, as well as the God of Vengeance. I thought the story of Elgar'nan wrestling against the sun was a nice parallel with the nearly insurmountable task that Revas faced in leading a faction of the Andrastian faithful against one of the ancient Magisters of the old Imperium.

[TheComfyCat]

I don't think he sees you as a replacement for that spirit. If I remember correctly, I got his second kiss before his personal quest? Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I don't think it's dependent on that. Solas just admires wisdom as a trait in general and I wouldn't assume anything else beyond that.

 

Nothing in that romance made me feel like Solas loved you for any other reason than he actually loves you. For example, I think his whole questioning about the mark changing you during his balcony scene is him trying to find an easy answer for why he feels the way he does about you. If the mark didn't alter you, it means he found someone wise and beautiful and worthwhile on their own merit in the modern world, which we know he struggles with. I've seen theories that he thinks you're a replacement for something or that you have some kind of spirit in you and that's why he cares but I think all that is reaching, personally.

 

Also, the romance is a complete two-way street. You initiate the flirting but Solas returns it just as strongly. You grab him to kiss him but then he grabs you to kiss you again. Every time he seems like he's trying to pull away, it's clear that he doesn't actually want to. It takes the tiniest nudge before he's back to you again. Also, when he asks for time to think after the first kiss you grant it to him and, after that thinking time, he decides on the balcony to bring the kiss up again. That means he made his choice, albeit tentatively. I don't like this idea that Lavellan "coerced" him into the romance and then gets what she asked for.

 

You do get the second kiss on the balcony after his personal quest, since that conversation only happens after you complete the quest. But I completely agree with you. Solas's interest in Lavellan does not seem to relate to his sadness over losing his friend, and initiation of the romance is definitely not one-sided.

[_Lucinia]

which vallaslins did you guys take for your characters? 

I chose them based completely on how they looked on my character.  I had no idea what Vallaslin corresponded to which God.  (well now I know since the chart was released )

 

June (my canon Lavellan)

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Ghilan'nain

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Mythal

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[Illyria]

Ok Solas-o-philes, I just had a curious conversation between Cole, Solas, and Sera about a potential war in the Fade as I was traveling through the Hinterlands.  Cole and Solas say that such a war would be terrible, Cole says that it was wrong to hide it in a little girl, and then Sera called them both nutters.  Unfortunately, I missed the details.  Does anyone have a proper transcript of this conversation?

 

I know the banter you're speaking of.  There's this huge set of banters in which Solas and Cole talk about the Fade, spirits and things Cole has read in people.  If you have a third companion they'll always join in the converstation, usually to say how freaked out they are (except Dorian.  He loves it).  So Sera's response isn't unique to this banter.

[Wheels]

Help meee... :'( Please!

I know the question was asked before, but I can't for the life of me find the friggin' plan for Solas' armour. The one with the pelt over one shoulder. From the wallpapers. Soneone said an Emprise dragon would drop it, but I already killed them.

Help a pack member out! 

[TheComfyCat]

which vallaslins did you guys take for your characters? 

 

 

I love June's vallaslin. It's just so pretty, and I like how it goes around her eyes as well.

[Illyria]

Mythal. The most complicated design. (Go big or go home! )

 

 

EDIT: I didn't know it was Mythal's design when I first picked it, but since the forest brings shelter to Dalish hiding from human society, and my Lavellan is a Keeper's First who was to one day protect and shelter her clan, it seemed like the perfect design. Turns out I was right.

 

*does a double take*

 

I thought that was my Lavellan for a second.

[Ser_Lurk]

Is there a balcony kiss scene if you choose to kill his friend and say that demons must be stopped and just act like a jerk?

 

No. I don't remember exactly what he says, but it's something to the effect of "we should just remain allies, nothing more". I think he just can't love a Lavellan that would be so callous towards him and his friend. It completely shreds any hope of him having a relationship with you.

 

Edit: This is what happens if you are a jerk to him the whole way through the quest. What he says is "I think it's better if we maintain a working relationship. Less complicated that way."

 

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