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[Janic99]

Sometimes people comment and I never see them. I don't know why. I always check my spam folder.

You did see it because you answered to me XD hahaha 

[Janic99]

WAIT WHAT SOLAS SINGING... *unexpectedvoicecomesoutofhismouth.* Ö_Ö
well..... crap

[javeart]

I change the vallaslin depending on the haircut (the face is basically always the same). I'm superficial like that 

 

Mythal

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Ghilan'nain

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Sylaise

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[Sashimi_taco]

Ok i just got dragon age on PC so i can install mods and do flycam. 

 

Someone link me to all the sexy ones pls.

[madrar]

I think this is far too politically incorrect for BioWare to ever ever go there.  Unfortunately, such is the world we live in today.  

 

Politically incorrect?  How so?

[TanisLave]

Politically incorrect?  How so?

 

Could be considered harming a child?.. The concept does sound strange when phrasing it as harming Mythal's child. 

[Mims]

I've seen people mentioning Solas's heraldry or symbol. What is it, and how do we know it's his symbol? I feel like I've missed something and am confused. LOL. Help me, Solas thread! You're the only ones who can!

 

I don't have the links to it, unfortunately. But you can see some of the wolf statues posing with a symbol that looks a lot like the symbol from Kirkwall. Initially we were thinking it was reused assets. Then someone noted that the Kirkwall symbol was actually a symbol slaves used to use, representing rebellion. They'd carve it into the prison walls.

 

There's no way to know for sure that it does represent Fen'Harel, but there's a good bet that the elves originated it. 

[scintilla]

 

Dear Mr. Gaider: First of all, I'd like to say hello and I think you're awesome for doing what you do! I have a question in regards to the timeframe of Inquisition (I'm more than halfway the game now! ). Did it all of the events in the game happen throughout a year? Or is it like DA2 with spanned timeframe through a few years? // PS: Also, it seems like Edmonton is "warmer" than my city as of the moment (wind chill is at -30C at Winterpeg, brr).

 

Thanks for the kind words! As for your question, since we lack a method of tracking time in the game, I’m afraid I can’t really answer it definitively. Heck, some people might have taken what seemed like a year just to get out of the Hinterlands (I need that Fisher King “WHAT YEAR IS IT?” pic here, I think). Moving forward, the team will eventually have to establish a timeline for the record and say approximately how long the events of DAI “officially” took — but we haven’t done that just yet, and considering the vast differences in time it could take someone to complete the game I suspect it’ll have to be left pretty vague.

 

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[Sashimi_taco]

I don't have the links to it, unfortunately. But you can see some of the wolf statues posing with a symbol that looks a lot like the symbol from Kirkwall. Initially we were thinking it was reused assets. Then someone noted that the Kirkwall symbol was actually a symbol slaves used to use, representing rebellion. They'd carve it into the prison walls.

 

There's no way to know for sure that it does represent Fen'Harel, but there's a good bet that the elves originated it. 

 

 

Kirkwall used to be a part of Tevinter. Shartan was the leader of the rebel slaves. 

 

 

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUNNNNNN

[Caddius]

Maybe the baldness gave it away!    Or the Elvhen smell like peppermint or vanilla, something weird like that.  

 

Ok serious answer.  It might be the lack of Vallaslin on Solas' face.  But Abelas and the Sentinels more than likely have had run ins with bare-faced elves before, so I am gonna rule that explanation out.  You are correct though, it is curious that Abelas could sense that.  It could be something he is able to see because of his servitude to Mythal.  I am curious what magical abilities he has.  

 

The likely answer is he knows, and he knows better than to give it away.

Again, other people have probably answered this in the next thirty-five pages, but I'm pretty sure Abelas and Fen'harel know who each other are. Fen'harel was close with Mythal, and it seems Abelas was the leader of her Sentinels. I picture that being sort of like the High Ordinators in Morrowind. The personal bodyguards and confidants of their goddess. Exactly the sort to follow Mythal around as she visits the other gods. She probably enjoyed having him as her straight man.

Which would mean either Solas is in his original body, Fen'harel took Solas as a vessel before the Fall of Arlathan, or that Abelas senses that Solas is an ancient elf/Fen'harel.

No, I'm not saying this just because Crystal White has taken over my headcanon.

(Not just because.)

What's really juicy about the dialogue between Abelas and Solas is looking at it with the knowledge of the epilogue scene.

Abelas dismisses Lavellan as shemlen, but addresses Solas respectfully. "Elvhen such as you?" is said very carefully.

And Solas basically confirms that there are other ancient elves out there, still serving.

Felassan.

Just saying.

[Kappa Neko]

I'll make this a general post and not quote...

I didn't mean to upset people with my personal interpretation of the Solas romance. It's how I relate to it, nothing more. I understand why most people would put more blame on Solas who left her completely in the dark. I even find it kind of cowardly of him to leave without any explanation except the mural as a hint and Cole's cryptic message. He promised her it would be clear in the end, but it wasn't. It's the respectful thing to end it before he goes too far (they did not have sex in my understanding) if he has no intention of staying and wants to keep her out of the god business. But it's immature not to reveal who he is if simply out of fear she might reject him. That's running away. We all have to face our fear that others might not accept our flaws/mistakes. It's always a gamble, not just for a god. If he really trusted her, he could have told her when everything was over. It reinforces the feeling that he's still got a lot of growing up to do. He may be an ancient being and incredibly smart, but emotionally he's in many ways a scared boy who broke something in the house and tries to fix it before anybody notices rather than take the blame openly. Panic fixes are never a good idea. Yes, he is tormented by his guilt. Still he hides in shame.

I know that he can't just tell everyone who he is and then ask who wants to come with him restore the world to what it was. But maybe that is not what he should set out to do anyway. He can't just turn back the clock.

 

We all make mistakes and Solas is not infallible either. My words sound harsh, but I really do feel for Solas. He is a tragic character who means well and never meant to cause all this pain, including breaking Lavellan's heart. He does fall hard for her. Which is why I felt so bad for him in the end. I did say they are both to blame and that he clearly flirted with her and gave her ideas. She does not force the relationship on him, nobody can force that on somebody who's free to say no. But in my playthrough Solas clearly says several times that they shouldn't and that it's wrong. Yes, he could have protested a little more but he was attracted to her, and we know that he's a passionate person whose wise elf calmness is totally misleading. If you know a guy is into you but he is more than a little hesitant, then you might want to ask a few more questions before you kiss him like that and take advantage of his attraction. He kisses back, oh yeah. But you could say that was the same thing as with the mages. Loss of control by extraordinary circumstances. It is NOT what he wanted for either of them. The whole romance I felt like he never wanted the relationship. Because he doesn't! He kept saying that repeatedly. It was very clear to me. And it should have been clear to Lavellan that something was wrong. Of course it looked a lot like harmless insecurity, I'm not saying she could have predicted where this was going exactly. But still, she rushed him into it. I still see her being the one who got the ball really rolling. The flirtation before the kiss was very mild and not a lot. You have the choice to break it off with him twice, I think. Do the other romances have that as well? Of course I didn't break it off because I wanted to see where this disaster would lead me. In real life I would have asked a lot of questions and if I didn't get any answers, I would pull away and wait for him to open up or move on.

 

It's perfectly fine not to play games as moral self-improvement and just for fun. But I happen to enjoy filtering morality out of everything, intentionally put there or not. It's what's fun to me. Games (books, movies)  that have no message are boring to me. I don't think it's coincidence that more and more people are fed up with Bioware's "agenda" and what is perceived as forced morality. That indicates to me that yes, Bioware games ARE deeply moralistic tales and have an intended right path. You can choose to ignore that aspect but it's there. I'm not going to go into detail why Mass Effect only makes sense as paragon (with a few renegade choices you are supposed to make btw). I don't want to relive the ME3 disaster again. It's why I left BSN for two years. Couldn't take the hate talk anymore.

People should play games any way they want. I was simply stating how I play and what I see. Which may very well be totally off. But I like sharing my thoughts. They are not meant as attacks.

 

In retrospect I really like the Solas romance. Just because I see it more critically doesn't mean it has no appeal to me. It's just that I see many sides of everything, often contradictory and yet they make sense in my mind. I see Solas' gift of removing her slave markings as both incredibly sweet, cruel and kind of selfish. Sweet because it embodies everything he stands for: freedom/change and love. He frees her from ignorance, from the shackles of the past, she is no longer bound to the gods. Which includes him. He sets her free out of love. To love is to let go. But it's cruel of him to tell her so terrible a truth only to leave her to deal with the shock by herself. It's terrible timing but I think he didn't plan to leave her right then. And it's also a selfish gift because he kind of erases his own mistake from her face. As long as she has the vallaslin, he's painfully reminded of what he's done to the elves. Notice how he only says how beautiful she is when she agrees to have it removed? That kind of puts a dent in this sweet moment... it's still a great scene.

I have a weakness for unhappy love stories actually. There is a lot of beauty in this romance, I totally agree with that! There is probably little hope for a reunion, I don't think there will be a Wolf Hunt DLC. But perhaps, if he does not turn into a villain, he will one day seek Lavellan out again. And then everyone can imagine how that plays out

[Sashimi_taco]

Again, other people have probably answered this in the next thirty-five pages, but I'm pretty sure Abelas and Fen'harel know who each other are. Fen'harel was close with Mythal, and it seems Abelas was the leader of her Sentinels. I picture that being sort of like the High Ordinators in Morrowind. The personal bodyguards and confidants of their goddess. Exactly the sort to follow Mythal around as she visits the other gods. She probably enjoyed having him as her straight man.

Which would mean either Solas is in his original body, Fen'harel took Solas as a vessel before the Fall of Arlathan, or that Abelas senses that Solas is an ancient elf/Fen'harel.

No, I'm not saying this just because Crystal White has taken over my headcanon.

(Not just because.)

What's really juicy about the dialogue between Abelas and Solas is looking at it with the knowledge of the epilogue scene.

Abelas dismisses Lavellan as shemlen, but addresses Solas respectfully. "Elvhen such as you?" is said very carefully.

And Solas basically confirms that there are other ancient elves out there, still serving.

Felassan.

Just saying.

 

Abelas was alive when Mythal was killed. Solas and Mythal were BFF back then. It's not too crazy to assume that they know each other and Abelas didn't say anything because he knows Fen'Harel usually works in silence. 

 

"elvehn such as you?"

 

"yes, such as me"

 

*sudden face change on abelas*

[_Lucinia]

Again, other people have probably answered this in the next thirty-five pages, but I'm pretty sure Abelas and Fen'harel know who each other are. Fen'harel was close with Mythal, and it seems Abelas was the leader of her Sentinels. I picture that being sort of like the High Ordinators in Morrowind. The personal bodyguards and confidants of their goddess. Exactly the sort to follow Mythal around as she visits the other gods. She probably enjoyed having him as her straight man.

Which would mean either Solas is in his original body, Fen'harel took Solas as a vessel before the Fall of Arlathan, or that Abelas senses that Solas is an ancient elf/Fen'harel.

No, I'm not saying this just because Crystal White has taken over my headcanon.

(Not just because.)

What's really juicy about the dialogue between Abelas and Solas is looking at it with the knowledge of the epilogue scene.

Abelas dismisses Lavellan as shemlen, but addresses Solas respectfully. "Elvhen such as you?" is said very carefully.

And Solas basically confirms that there are other ancient elves out there, still serving.

Felassan.

Just saying.

Ah that story is great.  I JUST finished reading the latest chapter before coming here to catch up.

 

I take that exchange between Abelas and Solas the same way.  But there are some that see it in a different light, and they make good points that it's not said to mean anything.  It is vague enough I suppose that it could be taken either way.  In my head I say Abelas knows.  

[Fialka]

My Lavellan had Mythal's vallaslin:
 

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I picked it because I thought it looked cool - reminded me of a tree, or veins (I like creepy things...).   Had no idea it was Mythal's, but it was actually weirdly appropriate. Not just because I had her drink from the well, but also because I named her Juno. Juno is the mother and protector, but has a dark, war-like side to her as well.

 

I'm not sure she'll be my canon, though. I plan to replay the whole DAO/DA2/DAI trilogy all over again from the beginning with a new Lavallan. Someone a bit less innocent than Juno, most likely with Dirthamen's vallaslin. Again, because they look cool, and I like ravens. The fact that Dirthamen is the keeper of secrets and might play some important role in DA's future (if the back-masked audio in the Well scene really does say 'go to Dirthamen') is an added bonus.

 

Also, people were discussing the whole Solas and the mages scene... I let him kill them. Because, even though Juno was a sweet girl for the most part, you don't f*** with her friends. Or their friends. Plus, she imagined how she would feel if some ignorant mages bound Cole and tortured him until they turned him into a demon of despair and he had to die. Those mages would have died, probably a lot less quickly and cleanly than Solas's victims did, no question.

[Janic99]

Here is the video

[madrar]

Could be considered harming a child?.. The concept does sound strange when phrasing it as harming Mythal's child. 

 

Hmm.  I see what you mean.  Still, I can't seem to find an alternative explanation that fits well.

 

Worse, if this interpretation were true, it would open up a huge bag of worms we didn't have to deal with before, like the question of ordinality among the First Children and what that means in the context of the "willing fall" from Eden.  (Which came first, the angel-elves or the egg?)  Which displeased the Sun, and was threatened with extermination?  Is the Stone/Thedas really the product of the Sun and Mythal, or is Elgar'nan in fact their first Creation, (possibly making him a Dragon God as well) and the Stone the product of a second merger between him and Mythal?

 

...ew.  That whole line of thought gets squicky and Oedipal real fast.  

 

Tossing it for now, I think- not least because the idea of the Stone as a "child" that the void was "put into" strongly suggests it pre-existed the Sun's defeat.  ...unless it was purposefully created after the fact as a physical prison to surround the void.  ew.  No.  Don't like it.  

 

Then again, that would make Elgar'nan's role in the first triad as The Lover satisfyingly literal.  

 

ew.  ...but maybe.  I don't know.  

 

Anyway, the Earth having Dwarven blight "antibodies" to pass to the Stone is driving me nuts too, since it suggests that Elgar'nan couldn't have been involved in sundering the Song.  Assuming the basic theory here works anything like the human immune system, the Earth would have had to have contact with blight before the Stone's creation, meaning the Sun was already blighted at that point in the timeline... which tears down the entire house of cards.  

 

Maybe the Dwarves aren't a direct reaction to blight.  Not specific blight-antibodies, just general defense (like white blood cells) that weren't nearly up to the task.  Maybe that's why June had to to kick it up a notch, creating the Titans as something of an immune system boost.  

 

But that would make Solas' description of dwarves as the "severed arm of a once mighty hero" a much poorer biological analogy. 

 

ick.  I can't seem to force the pieces together in any satisfying way.  Is something obvious sticking out for anyone else?

 

Edit:  ~top of page Solas~

 

[Addai]

About vallaslin, I've gone through a couple iterations and some tweaks to face as well. I think I settled on Sylaise because as First I imagine that she would light the ceremonial fires. These days I really think of her with the vallaslin gone, though.

 

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This was my reference pic for her.

 

 

I'll keep the pic in my profile, however, because I'm sentimental about it. It's from my first playthrough of All New Faded For Her. The feeeeelings.

 

Bonus snarl of determination

 

[Avejajed]

I also have Mythal's vallaslin because it's pretty and I'm vain. But it's very very light, almost flesh toned, just slightly darker than her skin tone. Her vallaslin don't define her so she wanted it to be a part of her, not all of her. I have a picture somewhere I think on ny tumblr.

Edit: found one. You can see it, just barely.
http://jlgriff11.tum...st/107623388387

[Arlee]

Also, people were discussing the whole Solas and the mages scene... I let him kill them. Because, even though Juno was a sweet girl for the most part, you don't f*** with her friends. Or their friends. Plus, she imagined how she would feel if some ignorant mages bound Cole and tortured him until they turned him into a demon of despair and he had to die. Those mages would have died, probably a lot less quickly and cleanly than Solas's victims did, no question.

 

I didn't let him kill them because even though they did a crappy thing, they weren't intending to do something crappy. So I was thinking they learned their lesson in this case.

[Sashimi_taco]

I didn't let him kill them because even though they did a crappy thing, they weren't intending to do something crappy. So I was thinking they learned their lesson in this case.

 

I got some guy calling be all kinds of bad things on youtube because I let solas kill the mages.

 

I thought the point of the scene was to see spirits as equals to mortals. They feel pain and suffer just like anyone else. And her life was worth justice to me. 

 

I don't think they learned their lesson though. I still think they don't think her (the wisdom spirit's) life mattered. If those mages had tortured and killed a mortal woman for blood magic, i think a lot more people would have killed them.

[Janic99]

okay now I recreated my Ellana Lavellan and she looks exactly the same.. just.. with the vallaslin hehehe FINALLY *_* I think I will do new recordings of her and more videos later

[RebbyWriter]

 

dgaider

nekochan014 asked:

Hello Mr. Gaider. I'm a huge fan of the Dragon Age series, especially the recent Inquisition. I was wondering though. Why are there so many wolf statues while exploring some areas in Emprise du Lion, and Emerald Graves? I mean, I thought it could be just part of the design at first but after my first playthrough, I wonder if it's connected with the events before Arlathan's fall. I understand though if it contains spoilers.

 

You have to remember that the Dalish honor Fen’Harel just as they do the rest of the elven pantheon — they simply do so differently. Statues/shrines to the other elven gods would be found within the clan’s camp, while a statue of Fen’Harel would be placed outside the camp, facing away. There’s no point in lugging around that statue with them if it wasn’t still a way of honoring him.

Work backwards, and you’ll see a version of that in the Dales when the elves still ruled there. Monuments to Fen’Harel would still exist, and would be far more common outside of the settlements than within them.

Or it was one of the placeables that the artists made for their “elven complement”, and they only had so many and thus had to use it often.

Take your pick.

 

 

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[Arlee]

I got some guy calling be all kinds of bad things on youtube because I let solas kill the mages.

 

I thought the point of the scene was to see spirits as equals to mortals. They feel pain and suffer just like anyone else. And her life was worth justice to me. 

 

I don't think they learned their lesson though. I still think they don't think her (the wisdom spirit's) life mattered. If those mages had tortured and killed a mortal woman for blood magic, i think a lot more people would have killed them.

 

I absolutely agree with your point of view on it. I basically viewed those mages as if they were mentally deficient and didn't know what they were doing. Like if they understood spirits for real and did view them as actual people, and still did what they did then I would have been all burn them to heck. But basically they couldn't really comprehend what it was they were doing before. i don't think people who let them die were wrong, it sure was tempting.

[Addai]

He kisses back, oh yeah. But you could say that was the same thing as with the mages. Loss of control by extraordinary circumstances. It is NOT what he wanted for either of them.

I understand it's your interpretation and how you see it. I'm sure those of us replying are coming from the same place. But again, I don't buy this at all. He was conflicted, but that's not the same thing as saying that he didn't want it. He very clearly does. This is a man who knows his own mind and if anyone short of an android has self control, it's Solas. This is shown by the fact that he eventually does break it off.

A factor here is Bioware's decision to make NPC flirtation strictly light so that only the PC can initiate a romance. Because of the whole Anders fiasco with men complaining about his flirtation.

It's perfectly fine not to play games as moral self-improvement and just for fun. But I happen to enjoy filtering morality out of everything, intentionally put there or not. It's what's fun to me. Games (books, movies)  that have no message are boring to me. I don't think it's coincidence that more and more people are fed up with Bioware's "agenda" and what is perceived as forced morality. That indicates to me that yes, Bioware games ARE deeply moralistic tales and have an intended right path. You can choose to ignore that aspect but it's there. I'm not going to go into detail why Mass Effect only makes sense as paragon (with a few renegade choices you are supposed to make btw).

Yes, Bioware does have that reputation and inclination, I'll give you that. To the extent that there's a "right" way to play the game, however, I think it's poor game design. I did feel very strongly in Mass Effect that they wimped out with the paragon/renegade choices. There should have been times when ruthless pragmatism got you advantages and times that fluffy idealism came back to bite you in the ass. DAO did this greyness better than DAI does- DA2 was just all suckitude no matter what you did so it's a bit of an outlier. Some reviews have rightly criticized DAI for forcing you to be a paladin do-gooder. What interests me in games are choices that make me sit and think hard about what to do, and where after I've chosen I'm still not sure. Not trying to unlock what the developer thinks I should do.

As you say, though, mileage varies.

[BoscoBread]

I got some guy calling be all kinds of bad things on youtube because I let solas kill the mages.

 

I thought the point of the scene was to see spirits as equals to mortals. They feel pain and suffer just like anyone else. And her life was worth justice to me. 

 

I don't think they learned their lesson though. I still think they don't think her (the wisdom spirit's) life mattered. If those mages had tortured and killed a mortal woman for blood magic, i think a lot more people would have killed them.

Ewww. That's shitty - about the youtube comment.  I waffle on that scene for the reasons you stated above.  In the end I stopped him - it was more for him than it was for them.  Not worth the potential guilt. Not worth the blood.  Not really ok with vengeance.  But I understand why people let him kill them.  I don't think there's a right or wrong answer.  Just that you understood that to Solas - spirits are people.  Which I understood and made the decision understanding that).