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[BlueElf2]

There's a symbol that can be seen on the statue to Fen'Harel in the Temple of Mythal (the one Morrigan comments on).  However, that symbol is also used in several other places and is possibly also the alienage symbol.  So... *shrugs*

  

I don't have the links to it, unfortunately. But you can see some of the wolf statues posing with a symbol that looks a lot like the symbol from Kirkwall. Initially we were thinking it was reused assets. Then someone noted that the Kirkwall symbol was actually a symbol slaves used to use, representing rebellion. They'd carve it into the prison walls.
 
There's no way to know for sure that it does represent Fen'Harel, but there's a good bet that the elves originated it.

  

Kirkwall used to be a part of Tevinter. Shartan was the leader of the rebel slaves. 
 
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUNNNNNN

Oh, I know that symbol. I hadn't thought much about its appearance in Inquisition, but I like the idea of it being originally Fen'harel's. Think that'll be my new headcanon. Thanks for all the responses!

[Fialka]

I got some guy calling be all kinds of bad things on youtube because I let solas kill the mages.

 

I thought the point of the scene was to see spirits as equals to mortals. They feel pain and suffer just like anyone else. And her life was worth justice to me. 

 

I don't think they learned their lesson though. I still think they don't think her (the wisdom spirit's) life mattered. If those mages had tortured and killed a mortal woman for blood magic, i think a lot more people would have killed them.

Yeah, that too... Also, those mages were from Kirkwall. As in... From. Kirkwall. And they thought practicing blood magic and summoning a demon was an okay idea? The words 'beyond hope' come to mind. Also, not only did they get Wisdom killed, but the demon killed several of their own, and had it gotten out of its bindings it would have killed many others. I felt little regret for their deaths.

 

Also, speaking of stupid mages... fun fact: (The Masked Empire spoiler below)

 

Spoiler

 

That Dalish mage you encounter during Solas' first personal quest is named Mihris. That was also the name of the Dalish mage in the Masked Empire - the one who let Imshael possess her so she could kill Michel. When I realized that, I felt even better about having Solas out-elf her and take the amulet

 

[mythlover20]

My gods... fifty pages since yesterday?

I think I'm just going to only read the newest page because I am *never* going to be able to catch up on it all. I would never get any work done otherwise. :/

So how is everyone?

Kani has Mythal's vallaslin. I chose it because it was the prettiest and suited her best, but I was very glad to find out when we met Abelas that it was Mythal's. When she drank from the Well I found it very, very appropriate and satisfying - as if she was always fated to be Mythal's creature.

I would still love a Fen'Harel vallaslin, though.
 

 

I got some guy calling be all kinds of bad things on youtube because I let solas kill the mages.

 

I thought the point of the scene was to see spirits as equals to mortals. They feel pain and suffer just like anyone else. And her life was worth justice to me. 

 

I don't think they learned their lesson though. I still think they don't think her (the wisdom spirit's) life mattered. If those mages had tortured and killed a mortal woman for blood magic, i think a lot more people would have killed them.

I'm sorry to hear that hon. Youtube commenters are so... immature sometimes. I completely agree with your reasoning. I'll be honest though, Solas only killed them in my first pt because I waffled too long and he did it anyway, but ever since then I let him kill them - he seems to truly need to do it, and Wisdom does deserve justice, like you said.

[Arlee]

Yeah, that too... Also, those mages were from Kirkwall. As in... From. Kirkwall. And they thought practicing blood magic and summoning a demon was an okay idea? The words 'beyond hope' come to mind. Also, not only did they get Wisdom killed, but the demon killed several of their own, and had it gotten out of its bindings it would have killed many others. I felt little regret for their deaths.

 

Also, speaking of stupid mages... fun fact: (The Masked Empire spoiler below)

 

Spoiler

 

That Dalish mage you encounter during Solas' first personal quest is named Mihris. That was also the name of the Dalish mage in the Masked Empire - the one who let Imshael possess her so she could kill Michel. When I realized that, I felt even better about having Solas out-elf her and take the amulet

 

 

Nah, if she had gotten out of the binding she would have reverted to being wisdom instead of pride because she wouldn't be compelled to kill anymore. That's why breaking the binding reverted her even though it was too late to save her life.

[Sashimi_taco]

What happens if you kill Lily in DA:O? Who is the spymaster?

[Arlee]

What happens if you kill Lily in DA:O? Who is the spymaster?

 

She has some dialogue when you first talk to her in Haven about being dead before and coming back. I'll see if i can find it on youtube. Got it

 

[BlueElf2]

What happens if you kill Lily in DA:O? Who is the spymaster?

It's still her because plot armor. LOL

[javeart]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no answer suit every Lavellan)

[BlueElf2]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?
 
- please, dont' leave
- whatever you need we'll find it
- tell me you don't care
- banal abelas, banal vehnan
- we don't always get what we want
- we all make mistakes
 
For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.
 
But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think

My canon response is the same as yours because I like the way the scene plays out from that one more than the others.

[Arlee]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no comment suit every Lavellan)

 

I'm still putting this off so I haven't decided yet ><

[TanisLave]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no answer suit every Lavellan)

 

Same as yours.

[Fialka]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

I think it was the 'please don't leave' line. The 'tell me you don't care' line was good, and would have worked for my quick-to-anger Lavellan, but... something about how bare and honest the first one was, where she tells him she loves him... I don't know. It was really poignant and heartbreaking. And I prefer his line at the end of the game if you pick that one. Both are good though.

 

Now excuse me as I go and weep into an alcoholic beverage or something.

[Sashimi_taco]

I absolutely agree with your point of view on it. I basically viewed those mages as if they were mentally deficient and didn't know what they were doing. Like if they understood spirits for real and did view them as actual people, and still did what they did then I would have been all burn them to heck. But basically they couldn't really comprehend what it was they were doing before. i don't think people who let them die were wrong, it sure was tempting.

 

Justice is for the families of the murdered to get peace. 

[Mims]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no answer suit every Lavellan)

 

"Whatever you need, we'll find it."

 

Although I personally like the scene that goes with 'don't leave me' and 'tell me you don't care', the first one fits my character the best. I assume she had figured out that he was likely an ancient elf by that point. Or if not that, she knew there was at least something major going on under the surface. The fact that he rebuffed her after she offered her help hurt the most. Everyone let her help. 

 

Not to mention she had refused to remove the vallaslin, so from her perspective, it felt a lot like he was dismissing her because she didn't go along with what he had wanted. 

[Kappa Neko]

I understand it's your interpretation and how you see it. I'm sure those of us replying are coming from the same place. But again, I don't buy this at all. He was conflicted, but that's not the same thing as saying that he didn't want it. He very clearly does. This is a man who knows his own mind and if anyone short of an android has self control, it's Solas. This is shown by the fact that he eventually does break it off.

A factor here is Bioware's decision to make NPC flirtation strictly light so that only the PC can initiate a romance. Because of the whole Anders fiasco with men complaining about his flirtation.

Yes, Bioware does have that reputation and inclination, I'll give you that. To the extent that there's a "right" way to play the game, however, I think it's poor game design. I did feel very strongly in Mass Effect that they wimped out with the paragon/renegade choices. There should have been times when ruthless pragmatism got you advantages and times that fluffy idealism came back to bite you in the ass. DAO did this greyness better than DAI does- DA2 was just all suckitude no matter what you did so it's a bit of an outlier. Some reviews have rightly criticized DAI for forcing you to be a paladin do-gooder. What interests me in games are choices that make me sit and think hard about what to do, and where after I've chosen I'm still not sure. Not trying to unlock what the developer thinks I should do.

As you say, though, mileage varies.

He both wants it and doesn't. Yes, he's conflicted. He puts his crusade above love though. That's what matters to him most and that's why he protested and breaks it off eventually. I disagree that he's that much in control though. He said he should have ended it much sooner. So he let his feelings compromise his mission and hurt her, and he regrets it. So that's not being quite as in control as he wants to be to me. He has a passionate side that interferes with his self-control. The romance was unplanned and his feelings ran away with him. He let his pain and anger get the better of him with the mages too. Both very understandable situations, of course. But loss of control nontheless imo.

 

Fluffy idealism does bite you in the ass in Mass Effect on a few occasions. I think it even gets you killed at one time. Paragon/renegade was a simplistic approach, I agree. But it served its purpose within the story. I too like it when I have to think for a while what to do and not be sure at all. And Mass Effect offers no hard choices. You always know what to do. It's not as straight-forward in DA and I like that.

[HurricaneGinger]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no answer suit every Lavellan)

 

When he says "in another life" all I could think of was "we live in this life, so this one matters."

 

After that, I chose "whatever you need, we'll find it."

 

At first I was going to ask him to lie about his feelings, but that wasn't like Terrwyn to hold something like that over someone's head. She could do it, but she wouldn't. 

 

Plus, I like Solas' reaction. He was expecting anger, wanting it, and instead Lavellan is offering to help and give. He's very emotional.

[BlueElf2]

I think it was the 'please don't leave' line. The 'tell me you don't care' line was good, and would have worked for my quick-to-anger Lavellan, but... something about how bare and honest the first one was, where she tells him she loves him... I don't know. It was really poignant and heartbreaking. And I prefer his line at the end of the game if you pick that one. Both are good though.
 
Now excuse me as I go and weep into an alcoholic beverage or something.

I didn't know his line differed at the end based on which romance response was chosen. What does he say instead? Does it revert back to the respect line?

[Janic99]

What happens if you kill Lily in DA:O? Who is the spymaster?

Leliana? She will be resurrected somehow. 

[Arlee]

Justice is for the families of the murdered to get peace. 

 

That is definitely one way to think of it. I tend to believe it's not that simple

[Addai]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

I like both sobby options in terms of how Solas reacts, but I've settled on "please don't leave" and "I'm not giving up on you. Whatever you need, we can find it together." The latter suits my PC better, and I hope it becomes predictive.   Also I think it's super clear that he isn't breaking it off because he doesn't love her, but because there is some other obstacle. He even calls her "vhenan" as he's trying to back away, which is a tell of his true feelings.

 

My PC is diplomatic/ careful, so she'd never go off on him. Plus I can't handle the Charlie Brown walk he does if Lavellan reacts angrily.

[javeart]

I didn't know his line differed at the end based on which romance response was chosen. What does he say instead? Does it revert back to the respect line?

He tells you he understands you were angry, or something along the lines

[phaonica]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no answer suit every Lavellan)

 

*Sigh* I had been playing my Lavellan as someone who covered up her uncertainty and fear with anger. She yelled at Cassandra in the beginning, the Divine-spirit in the middle, and Flemeth at the end... and so ... I called him a liar, said "are you kidding me" and then when he says he didn't mean to hurt her she says "well, you did"... it couldn't have gone worse, really. I tried to fix it, but nearly every other line gave my character this defeated posture that just didn't suit her.

[Fialka]

I didn't know his line differed at the end based on which romance response was chosen. What does he say instead? Does it revert back to the respect line?

If you get mad, he says 'you were right to be angry' instead of 'what we had was real' (paraphrasing here - the wording might not be exact). I think if you act like it's not that big of a deal he goes back to the respect line? Not 100% sure on that though.

[mythlover20]

So, I'm curious about what is your canon reaction to the break up, as in specifically which line do you pick?

 

- please, dont' leave

- whatever you need we'll find it

- tell me you don't care

- banal abelas, banal vehnan

- we don't always get what we want

- we all make mistakes

 

For me, it's please don't leave, because it fits her, and also because I think the "in another world" line is very nice and it's the one that leaves me with a less bitter taste.

 

But "tell me you don't care" it's a second close, the scene turns out it even more intense, I like it a lot, but it doesn't suit every Lavellan, I think  (silly thing to say, no answer suit every Lavellan)

For me it's the same "Please don't leave! I love you!" option. Because she loves him. It's as simple as that.