I've been thinking that the slaves of ancient arlathan willingly sacrificed their immortality to erect the veil. This for the promise of freedom. They used their combined will/faith to have death come to pass for the first time ever in order to raise the veil and be free. The skyhold codex 2nd entry leads me to believe this:
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Skyhold has not just been claimed time and again, but sacked as well. We've managed to uncover some remnants, including a scratching under a pillar that mentions the name given by your witch. Old but still long after the place had been built over. But the author knew something of its first purpose, or at least, something of a legend.
Var'landivalis him sa'bellanaris san elgar
Melanada him sa'miras fena'taldin (word missing)
Nadasalin telrevas ne suli telsethenera
Tarasyl'an te'las vehn'ir abelath'vir (word missing)
Even with assistance from your elf, we managed only a partial translation. Elven is often a game of intents, not direct mapping of phonetic meaning. That means it's a mess.
Our belief transformed into everything. (assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)
Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to....(missing subject, uncertain)
Mostly complete, as fragments go. The rhythm is strange, not like others I've recorded. Perhaps less a poem than a statement? The elven language does tend to meander.
-- Notes from the archivist
Edit: it's not much of a jump to suspect Solas put them up to it. Fen'Harel always demands a heavy price for his help does he not? And he's known as a rebel/trickster. He tricked the gods to be trapped behind the veil and as such set their slaves free....at a cost.
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I just checked the patch notes and I couldn't see anything about patching out the farming. I hope they don't. Getting rare schematics is already hard enough.
Edit: it's not much of a jump to suspect Solas put them up to it. Fen'Harel always demands a heavy price for his help does he not? And he's known as a rebel/trickster. He tricked the gods to be trapped behind the veil and as such set their slaves free....at a cost.
This isn't serious theory but now I can't help imagining Solas in a dark coat like an after school special villain. "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? Doing drugs. Giving up your immortality."
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I just checked the patch notes and I couldn't see anything about patching out the farming. I hope they don't. Getting rare schematics is already hard enough.
Maybe they took it out? I know I read it somewhere, maybe a patch for the future, but I swear it was for the current.
I have a question. When you first start in haven as a rogue elf you have on a "hunter" coat, am I right?
It's not the long coat vest thing that you get as a mage.
But when I use the schematic of hunter coat it looks lIke the mage version?
I just want to know what schematic for upper tier versions of that very first outfit you get after the inquisition is formed and you officially start thearning game.
It's Scout Armor I think, I hate the Mage starter gear, it's so ugly, so it was a nice surprise when I found out you got the other skin on a Rogue..
This isn't serious theory but now I can't help imagining Solas in a dark coat like an after school special villain. "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? Doing drugs. Giving up your immortality."
Omg I had no idea farming schematics was a thing until recently. It's so hard to find good ones. And I don't want to pay for them. I hope they never get rid of it. I'm going to do this on my new character,
I just checked the patch notes and I couldn't see anything about patching out the farming. I hope they don't. Getting rare schematics is already hard enough.
I agree, I don't see what a problem it would be, if some idiot like me wants to spend their time doing that what's the harm?
This isn't serious theory but now I can't help imagining Solas in a dark coat like an after school special villain. "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? Doing drugs. Giving up your immortality."
Heh, I don't think he did it out of malice. Raising the veil would require power, a lot of power. I imagine the kind of power sacrificing the immortality of an entire people would give. This is probably the event that Solas will try to prevent by changing the past in future DLC/games.
I've been thinking that the slaves of ancient arlathan willingly sacrificed their immortality to erect the veil. This for the promise of freedom. They used their combined will/faith to have death come to pass for the first time ever in order to raise the veil and be free. The skyhold codex 2nd entry leads me to believe this:
Spoiler
Skyhold has not just been claimed time and again, but sacked as well. We've managed to uncover some remnants, including a scratching under a pillar that mentions the name given by your witch. Old but still long after the place had been built over. But the author knew something of its first purpose, or at least, something of a legend.
Var'landivalis him sa'bellanaris san elgar
Melanada him sa'miras fena'taldin (word missing)
Nadasalin telrevas ne suli telsethenera
Tarasyl'an te'las vehn'ir abelath'vir (word missing)
Even with assistance from your elf, we managed only a partial translation. Elven is often a game of intents, not direct mapping of phonetic meaning. That means it's a mess.
Our belief transformed into everything. (assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)
Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to....(missing subject, uncertain)
Mostly complete, as fragments go. The rhythm is strange, not like others I've recorded. Perhaps less a poem than a statement? The elven language does tend to meander.
-- Notes from the archivist
Edit: it's not much of a jump to suspect Solas put them up to it. Fen'Harel always demands a heavy price for his help does he not? And he's known as a rebel/trickster. He tricked the gods to be trapped behind the veil and as such set their slaves free....at a cost.
If Solas was the organiser of a slave rebellion and it wasn't going well I can see him coming up with the idea to sealing away the Creators using the life energy of his followers. The Veil and the loss of mortality for all elves is a side affect he didn't foresee.
I agree, I don't see what a problem it would be, if some idiot like me wants to spend their time doing that what's the harm?
Exactly. Many of the schematics can't even be brough, so it's nessessary to farm if you want to make the best the gear/the gear you find most appealing.
If Solas was the organiser of a slave rebellion and it wasn't going well I can see him coming up with the idea to sealing away the Creators using the life energy of his followers. The Veil and the loss of mortality for all elves is a side affect he didn't foresee.
Like giving his orb to Cory causing the breach.
Hmm I don't know. I could see Solas doing this knowing it would happen. Freedom is a very valuable thing, who would not sacrifice themselves to gain freedom for their descendants after all the suffering they went through themselves as slaves. Turns out they didn't get freedom after all but that's hardly Solas' fault or theirs.
Exactly. Many of the schematics can't even be brough, so it's nessessary to farm if you want to make the best the gear/the gear you find most appealing.
I'm doing a slowwwwww run so I'm only level 10 atm, but where would you farm schematics earlier than late game? I can't find anything good. I've only opened exhalted, crestwood, storm cost, and the hinterlands.
I want the Dalish schematic but I don't want to fight a dragon to get it lol
Oh wow. A lot happened in this thread for the one day I was gone. Seriously, how can so much happen in just one day? My compassion for Bioware PCs who get wilder whirlwinds than this thrown at them every day just increased exponentially.
I agree the arguments were interesting to read and ponder about though, so I'm grateful, in a way, especially since we managed to return to safe ground with *gasp* no trash talking at all. This thread is weird and amazing, seriously. But that's done with now, so moving on, (or leaping way back?)
RE: Vallaslin
I picked the biggest, most badass tattoo out of the lot (turned out to be Elgar'nan's)
My Anya Lavellan, spoilered for size:
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I adore it. The way it makes her look sort of two-faced, that it's being Elgar'nan's just ties in so well with her backstory because of his being related to vengeance, the way there's no possible way for Solas to ignore she has vallaslin, because it's there no matter the angle of her face, and the incredible pain she must have gone through to get them, I just, gah. I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY USED TO MEAN SOLAS, I LOVE THEM AND THEY'RE STAYING.
I... I'm going to be writing a fan fic about her, aren't I? I can feel it, the urge is building every single day. *sigh* As if I already don't have enough free time.
RE: Did she and Solas do the frickfracksnicksnack?
They did, starting from Halamshiral (all that heady blend getting into their heads) and then every other day until the breakup
And now,
CRACKPOT THEORY TIME!
Presenting, A Short Most Likely Wrong but if the Dalish can have their own stories then why can't we History of Thedas (based on a mix of some of the theories I've read here and my own speculations):
Once upon a time, there was no Veil, no concept of this world being separate from the Fade. There were no humans nor elves, no qunari nor dwarves, no spirits nor demons, only... beings.
Ok, beings isn't creative at all, but what the heck I suck at naming. And what's important to note here anyway is that these beings, they're what Cole would call "real", both here and there, complete. They had the imagination and presence of here, and the ability to make whatever they willed to manifest of there. And what they willed, was the world.
They dreamed Thedas up, a dream shaped by song. They sang of land, of oceans, of little people with pointy little ears.
Of all their creations, they liked the elves the most. They were like little versions of the beings, singing the same song in cute little voices. And the beings started fighting over the elves, trying to win their favor with wonders and then wreaking disasters upon the world whenever they were shunned for their fellows. After some time, the elves, led by Elgar'nan, said "**** this wishywashy ****" and rebelled against their creators.
But how, exactly, does one win against a god, which is what these beings were essentially? Well, the only way was for them to become gods as well. or as close to gods as they can get anyway:
Elgar'nan was furious at what his father had done and vowed vengeance. He lifted himself into the sky and wrestled the sun, determined to defeat him
There's that image of flight being tied to gods once again, so I'm getting more and more convinced that the dragon form's involved in obtaining godhood, somehow, someway.
Anyway, the rebellion succeeded, and Elgar'nan dumped the true creators into the void. Only, he probably shouldn't have done that because they're the freaking creators and without their presence the world started falling apart, and oh look at this very interesting end to Elgar'nan's codex:
With the sun gone, the world was covered in shadow, and all that remained in the sky were the reminders of Elgar'nan's battle with his father-drops of the sun's lifeblood, which twinkled and shimmered in the darkness.
Corruption is that you?! So, yep, I'm figuring this was when the corruption (blight or red lyrium? dunno. maybe even another form before these two) started, And for some reason, the only way to stem the world's decay was to erect the Veil.
Elgar'nan went to the place where the sun was buried and spoke to him. Elgar'nan said he would release the sun if the sun promised to be gentle and to return to the earth each night. The sun, feeling remorse at what he had done, agreed.
And so the sun rose again in the sky, and shone his golden light upon the earth. Elgar'nan and Mythal, with the help of the earth and the sun, brought back to life all the wondrous things that the sun had destroyed, and they grew and thrived. And that night, when the sun had gone to sleep, Mythal gathered the glowing earth around his bed, and formed it into a sphere to be placed in the sky, a pale reflection of the sun's true glory.
It's a different Veil from the one we know now though. Much thinner. Which is why every elf still had magic and immortality, but thick enough so only Dreamers had complete access to the Fade. And perhaps the Void.
Anyway, the time of elves has begun. The new pantheon grows. The empire expands, and, as often happens when there's scope and power and exclusivity involved, begins to turn to perverse directions, until it all gets too much and another rebellion begins, this time led by Fen'Harel. He pretty much repeats what Elgar'nan did, locking this pantheon away again, with this having something to do with thickening the Veil. Then he sleeps. Eventually(?), elves lose their immortality and magic, and the humans' time to **** everything up begins.
But what about the Corruption, you might ask? Now bear with me for a sec, as I take us down even weirder roads.
These Forgotten Ones, what if, they actually were part of the pantheon once? Only, they're placed in charge of watching over the Void. And they got Corrupted, somehow (I am overusing that word, hahaha), possibly from the original creators who can't really die, so they started fighting with the rest of the pantheon, perhaps by utilizing the Song as the original creators did long ago to bend them to their will, exacerbating the already awful problems of ancient elven society. Which Mythal probably noticed, and maybe the other gods did not pay much attention to, busy with their own feuds as they were. And that's why Mythal had to die, which just plunged elven society into even greater chaos, fulfilling what the Corrupted ones wished.
But how do dwarves, qunari, lyrium, and Titans fit into all this, you might ask?
And my answer is, heck if I know.
*flies away in a cloud of exhausted sparkly dust*
Edit: Bahaha, this is already such a long post, and it's ToP. Howell. Here, have a Solas:
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Sneaky sneaky elf. (and please pardon my low res )
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I'm doing a slowwwwww run so I'm only level 10 atm, but where would you farm schematics earlier than late game? I can't find anything good. I've only opened exhalted, crestwood, storm cost, and the hinterlands.
I want the Dalish schematic but I don't want to fight a dragon to get it lol
Dalish are tier 3, so Emprise du Lion would be a good place. These's a tower near the first camp you can use for farming, but it's got some of Cass' mages to fight outside it.
I agree, I don't see what a problem it would be, if some idiot like me wants to spend their time doing that what's the harm?
Agreed. It would be different if you could buy all the schematics, and frankly the merchant perks should do that, but RNG makes it nearly impossible to get the exact schematic you want without working the system. Farming is one of those "features" they should just let us have
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Dalish are tier 3, so Emprise du Lion would be a good place. These's a tower near the first camp you can use for farming, but it's got some of Cass' mages to fight outside it.
Thanks. I may wait a bit and just see if I can't find the scout schematic till I'm a higher level.
I have to physically stop myself from doing solas personal quest and going too fast.
Agreed. It would be different if you could buy all the schematics, and frankly the merchant perks should do that, but RNG makes it nearly impossible to get the exact schematic you want without working the system. Farming is one of those "features" they should just let us have
I agree as well.
I only spent 2827278044 hours farming zergs for high tier stuff in GW2. Not as hard here.
The early mage armors are gross, especially with the elf model's spindly limbs. I stick with Inquisition Battlemage Armor as long as I can.
My favourite early armour and it should definitely be available throughout the game. It's interesting that it's red/grey for elves and dwarves but just a washout version of the standard lackey Inquisition armour for humans.
I've been thinking that the slaves of ancient arlathan willingly sacrificed their immortality to erect the veil. This for the promise of freedom. They used their combined will/faith to have death come to pass for the first time ever in order to raise the veil and be free. The skyhold codex 2nd entry leads me to believe this:
Spoiler
Skyhold has not just been claimed time and again, but sacked as well. We've managed to uncover some remnants, including a scratching under a pillar that mentions the name given by your witch. Old but still long after the place had been built over. But the author knew something of its first purpose, or at least, something of a legend.
Var'landivalis him sa'bellanaris san elgar
Melanada him sa'miras fena'taldin (word missing)
Nadasalin telrevas ne suli telsethenera
Tarasyl'an te'las vehn'ir abelath'vir (word missing)
Even with assistance from your elf, we managed only a partial translation. Elven is often a game of intents, not direct mapping of phonetic meaning. That means it's a mess.
Our belief transformed into everything. (assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)
Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to....(missing subject, uncertain)
Mostly complete, as fragments go. The rhythm is strange, not like others I've recorded. Perhaps less a poem than a statement? The elven language does tend to meander.
-- Notes from the archivist
Edit: it's not much of a jump to suspect Solas put them up to it. Fen'Harel always demands a heavy price for his help does he not? And he's known as a rebel/trickster. He tricked the gods to be trapped behind the veil and as such set their slaves free....at a cost.
I am out of likes and I can see this having happened. Only, maybe Solas wasn't aware? I don't see him allowing what's essentially mass suicide taking place, and maybe the slaves took it upon themselves. But I dunno, the guy sure has a lot of regrets.
Thanks. I may wait a bit and just see if I can't find the scout schematic till I'm a higher level.
I have to physically stop myself from doing solas personal quest and going too fast.
The Dalish Scout schematic you can buy from the merchant in Hissing Wastes, I try and go there especially at around level 10 (I make sure I have enough gold for everything I want, I find myself farming chests for gold too, it's hopeless for me, I'm lost to the insanity)... mount up and just drop into the canyon, go all out on the spiders, job done.
Regarding schematic farming. I have heard of it but never tried. Is it too late for me, if I am fairly certain I have cleared out the western half of Emprise Du Lion and all of the Hissing Wastes? Is there a list of the tier 3 chests someplace? Currently playing around in the Emerald Graves while Tiger Festival avoids her inevitable heartache, so another distraction to that end would be welcome.
Especially if she gets to make Solas a new present. He's been hauling around that Tyrdda staff for ages now.
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I have major life-changing interviews on the horizon and for some reason really, really want plushie Solas as a good luck charm.
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