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[Avejajed]

I've been thinking that the slaves of ancient arlathan willingly sacrificed their immortality to erect the veil. This for the promise of freedom. They used their combined will/faith to have death come to pass for the first time ever in order to raise the veil and be free. The skyhold codex 2nd entry leads me to believe this:

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Skyhold has not just been claimed time and again, but sacked as well. We've managed to uncover some remnants, including a scratching under a pillar that mentions the name given by your witch. Old but still long after the place had been built over. But the author knew something of its first purpose, or at least, something of a legend.

Var'landivalis him sa'bellanaris san elgar
Melanada him sa'miras fena'taldin (word missing)
Nadasalin telrevas ne suli telsethenera
Tarasyl'an te'las vehn'ir abelath'vir (word missing)

Even with assistance from your elf, we managed only a partial translation. Elven is often a game of intents, not direct mapping of phonetic meaning. That means it's a mess.

Our belief transformed into everything. (assertation/problem? uncertain)
All time is transformed into the final/first death (uncertain),
inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)
Where the sky is held up/back, where the people give/gain love that is an apology/promise from/to....(missing subject, uncertain)

Mostly complete, as fragments go. The rhythm is strange, not like others I've recorded. Perhaps less a poem than a statement? The elven language does tend to meander.

-- Notes from the archivist

Edit: it's not much of a jump to suspect Solas put them up to it. Fen'Harel always demands a heavy price for his help does he not? And he's known as a rebel/trickster. He tricked the gods to be trapped behind the veil and as such set their slaves free....at a cost.

Now, this is a theory I can get behind. Skyhold is seriously overlooked as being that important but I think it is a key to understanding what happened.

I love the idea that it wasn't the humans that made the elves lose immortality but a sacrifice they made willingly to be free. Thats exactly something Solas would have thought worthwile, and as a God its not as though his own immortality was threatned.

But now he sees what giving up their immortality cost them, and what they destroyed in the process.

But surely he would think being free was worth it-not that they would be better off still being slaves, but maybe that there would have been a better way.

Ugh. So many thoughts now.

[Addai]

My favourite early armour and it should definitely be available throughout the game. It's interesting that it's red/grey for elves and dwarves but just a washout version of the standard lackey Inquisition armour for humans. 

The first time I bought it, it had a red shawl and now I can only get puke orange. I don't know what changed.

[Moirnelithe]

I am out of likes and I can see this having happened. Only, maybe Solas wasn't aware? I don't see him allowing what's essentially mass suicide taking place, and maybe the slaves took it upon themselves. But I dunno, the guy sure has a lot of regrets.

 

Edit: bad font is bad.

 

They were desperate. They wanted to be free, I'm guessing at that point the rebellion wasn't doing so well: "inevitable/threatened victory and horrible/promised freedom in the untorn veils, (uncertain)" . It was either be dragged back into slavery/dying anyway or make a huge gamble. They gambled and now it turns out they lost as the elves are still not exactly free. Not sure if it killed the elves immediately in the ritual or just cut away the inherent magic that made them immortal, they could have lived human lifespans after this, making it not exactly suicide.

 

Edit 2: There is the slow arrow tale told by Felassan and the codex of Abelas in the temple of Mythal that could suggest that only the elders died/went into uthenera to conduct the ritual and the young ones were left behind without the wisdom of their elders to guide them. Resulting in the loss of much of their combined knowledge.

[Kappa Neko]

And, ultimately, I hope/ believe that events will show that it was unwise and unnecessary of him to try to carry his burden alone- a factor of his pride more than actual necessity. He also has been betrayed and needs to learn to trust someone again. The relationship with Lavellan isn't just this stumbling block he let get in his way, and vice versa for her- a Dalish elf leading a mostly human organization that's reshaping southern Thedas. She needs him.

I actually agree with this. I wanted to write something along those lines in my last post but then erased it because it would have been more confusing contradiction from me. But I'll try to explain:

 

The way I see it, there are two ways Solas could have handled the whole thing that I find viable. Either stick firmly to his mission to restore the elves and resist any emotional entanglement that could compromise things. Keep others out of it to protect them. Accept that he'll be alone in this until the end and be aware of any negative consequences that his proud crusade might have (again!). Or reach out to Lavellan and be honest with her and accept help FFS.

 

How it actually went down between them was a complete mess that might very easily blow up in his face completely just like his initial rebellion. That's what upsets me so much about the Solas romance. That he keeps making the same mistakes because his pride and shame still rule over him.

My biggest fear is that his inability to really face what he did by sharing his burden will get him killed OR worse Lavellan. So what happens if their paths cross once again and she learns that he was behind the whole thing from somebody else? She would probably feel betrayed. Get it the wrong way. It would be the ultimate tragedy of his character if the Dalish love of life got it wrong once again and saw him as the bad guy, the Dread Wolf. Just because he didn't explain himself out of shame and fear. Stop running, Solas!

I really hope Bioware won't go there, it would be too cruel for me to bear, but I keep seeing this play out in my head. Lavellan forced to kill him because she doesn't understand. Or him struggling with the decision whether or not to sacrifice her to save his people. But killing her would destroy him. So after that I can't see him going on anymore. He'd probably commit suicide and leave it up to some other god to pick up the pieces of his failure. It would be the ultimate defeat.

Solas messed up big time again. Nothing good can come out of running away from himself.

 

[chibielf]

Ughhh I hate random loot! I spent too much time reloading in Emprise du Lion, but I got it! FINALLY!

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Where in du lion is this? I've been looking everywhere!

[Ajna]

I actually agree with this. I wanted to write something along those lines in my last post but then erased it because it would have been more confusing contradiction from me. But I'll try to explain:

 

The way I see it, there are two ways Solas could have handled the whole thing that I find viable. Either stick firmly to his mission to restore the elves and resist any emotional entanglement that could compromise things. Keep others out of it to protect them. Accept that he'll be alone in this until the end and be aware of any negative consequences that his proud crusade might have (again!). Or reach out to Lavellan and be honest with her and accept help FFS.

 

How it actually went down between them was a complete mess that might very easily blow up in his face completely just like his initial rebellion. That's what upsets me so much about the Solas romance. That he keeps making the same mistakes because his pride and shame still rule over him.

My biggest fear is that his inability to really face what he did by sharing his burden will get him killed OR worse Lavellan. So what happens if their paths cross once again and she learns that he was behind the whole thing from somebody else? She would probably feel betrayed. Get it the wrong way. It would be the ultimate tragedy of his character if the Dalish love of life got it wrong once again and saw him as the bad guy, the Dread Wolf. Just because he didn't explain himself out of shame and fear. Stop running, Solas!

I really hope Bioware won't go there, it would be too cruel for me to bear, but I keep seeing this play out in my head. Lavellan forced to kill him because she doesn't understand. Or him struggling with the decision whether or not to sacrifice her to save his people. But killing her would destroy him. So after that I can't see him going on anymore. He'd probably commit suicide and leave it up to some other god to pick up the pieces of his failure. It would be the ultimate defeat.

Solas messed up big time again. Nothing good can come out of running away from himself.

 

[Illyria]

Where in du lion is this? I've been looking everywhere!

 

Schematic farming.  Save, check chest, reload (be careful not to get too close to a chest before saving as that can sometimes 'set' the items in the chest).  Emprise du Lion is the best place to farm for tier 3 schematics.

[ZerebusPrime]

Regarding schematic farming. I have heard of it but never tried. Is it too late for me, if I am fairly certain I have cleared out the western half of Emprise Du Lion and all of the Hissing Wastes? Is there a list of the tier 3 chests someplace? Currently playing around in the Emerald Graves while Tiger Festival avoids her inevitable heartache, so another distraction to that end would be welcome.
 
Especially if she gets to make Solas a new present. He's been hauling around that Tyrdda staff for ages now.

 

Have you cleared the darkspawn infested Warden base in Empris du Lion?  There are five or six chests there that can all be farmed at once provided you clear out the darkspawn first.  Just be careful not to empty the chests completely.  Take what you want, save, reload that save, take what you want without emptying, repeat.

 

EDIT: The northeast portion of Emerald Graves is a high level area.  You may be able to find something there.  Perhaps that haunted mansion I haven't played through yet holds something?

[hellozombie]

I ducked out of the thread shortly after I discovered I was two hours too late for CAH (SIGH SIGH) so I had to catch up on all the drama this morning...I don't have anything to add to that discussion (except that I hate pie and I hate cake but oooh man sign me up for some doughnuts) but I gotta agree with this: 

 

I empathize.

 

I think it may be a sign people are running out of awesome things to say about the Dread Wolf.

 

I've been feeling a bit burnt out on the speculation...I just wish we had some hard facts to stabilize all the theorycrafting. Just a nice base to hold up all the wobbly bits. JUST A BAAAASE.

 

Part of my problem is that the game did a smashing job of making me feel like every codex is questionable, so I don't trust anything anymore. I can't even look at all the cave-paintings without thinking that they're fake (if the ancient elves were so advanced how come they made crude cave paintings? It doesn't make sense, look at their temples and mosaics!  SO WHO MADE THEM? the elves that were left behind? I DON'T KNOOOOW *waves arms in the air*). At first I was posting in this thread just for emotional support following the breakup because I was trying to gather up all the bits of my shattered heart, but I think I'm finally getting over the SOLASBLUES just a bit. JUST A BIT IT STILL HURTS GUYS OKAY.

 

So I decided to scrap all my playthroughs until we get some added content. See ya Trevelyan, see ya Assquisitor Adaar, WE HARDLY KNEW YE. In the meantime, I'm going to re-read my Worlds of Thedas, Art of DAI, and all my other Dragon Age books and see if anything starts to make sense. If I come up with something coherent and interesting I'll make sure to stop in and post it, as even though I'm quitting the game I will not be quitting this thread BECAUSE FEELS. 

 

Here's to hoping one of you finds something revolutionary before DLC comes out to pull us out of this funk of circling speculation. In other news, I started playing Shadow of Mordor today (I got it for xmas) and it's fun, but man, so empty for me emotionally. I think I've forgotten how to enjoy playing a game that doesn't require deep emotional investment. THANKS BIOWARE.

[Janic99]

that is phemiec's song right ?

yes

[Avejajed]

I think the thread should be allowed to get......silly....sometimes. Well, with some resemblance to good taste, anyway. But I think it's disingenuous to say last nights descent into debauchery is because nobody has anything left of value to say.

The important part is to be aware that this thread is never going to be perfect, nor is it going to be ideal for everyone all the time.

Because, internet.

We must always strive to be better than the drama and more understanding and respectful of others. In all ways. Just as we can not expect all people to be open and responsive to the detailed sex conversation, we can not always expect people to be beacons of upstanding moral respectability.

All we can do is keep our judgements to a minimum and try to remember to not take ourselves too seriously.

[Mims]

Sounds like I missed stuff! 

[Sashimi_taco]

Posting this more because this deserves a million views. 

 

[hellozombie]

I think the thread should be allowed to get......silly....sometimes. Well, with some resemblance to good taste, anyway. But I think it's disingenuous to say last nights descent into debauchery is because nobody has anything left of value to say.

The important part is to be aware that this thread is never going to be perfect, nor is it going to be ideal for everyone all the time.

Because, internet.

We must always strive to be better than the drama and more understanding and respectful of others. In all ways. Just as we can not expect all people to be open and responsive to the detailed sex conversation, we can not always expect people to be beacons of upstanding moral respectability.

All we can do is keep our judgements to a minimum and try to remember to not take ourselves too seriously.

Are you responding to my post? 

[Illyria]

Sounds like I missed stuff! 

 

Some drama but it's died down and everyone is unicorns again.

[Avejajed]

Are you responding to my post?

Haha not particularly. Just in genreal as I browsed through last night. Just my thoughts on it, and not directed to anyone in particular.

I can tell you feel that it is though, so let me reassure you I am not being dismissive of your opinions at all. Simply adding my own.

[soragrey]

[...]

 

So I decided to scrap all my playthroughs until we get some added content. See ya Trevelyan, see ya Assquisitor Adaar, WE HARDLY KNEW YE. In the meantime, I'm going to re-read my Worlds of Thedas, Art of DAI, and all my other Dragon Age books and see if anything starts to make sense. If I come up with something coherent and interesting I'll make sure to stop in and post it, as even though I'm quitting the game I will not be quitting this thread BECAUSE FEELS. 

 

Here's to hoping one of you finds something revolutionary before DLC comes out to pull us out of this funk of circling speculation. In other news, I started playing Shadow of Mordor today (I got it for xmas) and it's fun, but man, so empty for me emotionally. I think I've forgotten how to enjoy playing a game that doesn't require deep emotional investment. THANKS BIOWARE.

 

I can relate to this! I've been feeling a little burnt out on the theories as well, especially as they've been getting deeper and deeper, and everything's been getting interpreted and then re-interpreted over and over. Makes my eyes cross. I still am curious, though, so I've been playing through the older DA games to look for more info, or just enjoy content I may have missed or not appreciated. There's a lot of cute stuff in there that I didn't pay any mind to when I was playing it originally years ago (like when my mage went back to the Circle at the end of the game (or was it for Witch Hunt..) she overhears some other mages talking about Cullen and how he still carries a torch for the warden, and how he left the tower to recover from what had happened). 

[Rabbitonfire]

Sounds like I missed stuff! 

Oh boy, you're fortunate to not be there. Unless you like reading drama. It was just argument mainly between 4-5 people. It was really sweet of the rest of the members to distract others with pie. edit: and solas pictures.

[Eivuwan]

You're probably right about that.  He would probably only offer comforting words.  You can ask him to make you forget at some point, and he says something to the effect that he will/has... then that he's just joking.

 

 

I don't mind linking to the art/smut fics and such (I've been known to look at/read them too), but this has long been a more mature thread that doesn't objectify Solas as much as certain other LIs have been, and I've admired that.  If all anyone ends up talking about in-thread is Solas's genitalia or making creepy sex dolls, I'll probably stop caring about the thread.

 

That opinion doesn't even take into account the straight male contingent who come here because we have awesome theory talk and the thread is normally tame and comfortable for them.  Or what about the asexuals?  I'm pretty sure we have several in this thread, and going on about Solas's junk might be a little uncomfortable for them as well.

 

And Solas's junk is tame compared to the sex doll talk, which is frankly just creepy.

 

 

Considering this thread has gone on for over two thousand pages without going too overboard, I think we're all perfectly capable of behaving maturely.  It's not about the smut and NSFW fan art being made and shared (I'm okay with that).  I'm not even overly offended about the "Solas's balls" comments.  Sex doll talk maybe takes it a little overboard.

 

 

At least, do that if it involves discussion of the NSFW stuff, or sex dolls, or stuff like that.  Again, I don't mind the links to smut/NSFW art (and I look at and read some of it), but, please take into consideration that not everyone here is a straight female/gay male.  There are straight men and asexuals who may be made highly uncomfortable by it.  There's also me, a straight woman, who is put off by it because this has mostly been a mature, polite, welcoming, and SAFE thread--that one awesome romance thread where the really weird stuff doesn't happen!

 

So yes, please, if you have to discuss the really weird stuff, or the really explicit stuff, I would rather it be done in a separate group.

 

Not trying to be a spoilsport.  I am pretty sure the sex doll person was joking.  But at least one of the people who normally frequents this thread has made a post to the effect that it made them uncomfortable.  I don't want us to be THAT THREAD.

 

Well, I agree that the really explicit stuff or weird stuff should be kept in spoilers or NSFW or even moved to another thread to make this thread welcoming for everyone. I disagree that talking about it means that the person is less mature or that it was objectifying Solas. They were just jokes.

[Patchwork]

Regarding schematic farming. I have heard of it but never tried. Is it too late for me, if I am fairly certain I have cleared out the western half of Emprise Du Lion and all of the Hissing Wastes? Is there a list of the tier 3 chests someplace? Currently playing around in the Emerald Graves while Tiger Festival avoids her inevitable heartache, so another distraction to that end would be welcome.
 
Especially if she gets to make Solas a new present. He's been hauling around that Tyrdda staff for ages now.

 

Have you been to the Cradle of Sulevin? You can easily avoid the quest part and just go for the loot. 

 

 

The first time I bought it, it had a red shawl and now I can only get puke orange. I don't know what changed.

 

I don't know what to say except   

What an awful thing to happen. 

[TanisLave]

Hey guys, What armor is this? Or is it a companion-specific build?

 

[Avejajed]

I think I'm the only person who doesn't hate the orange lol

[flabbadence]

I actually agree with this. I wanted to write something along those lines in my last post but then erased it because it would have been more confusing contradiction from me. But I'll try to explain:

 

The way I see it, there are two ways Solas could have handled the whole thing that I find viable. Either stick firmly to his mission to restore the elves and resist any emotional entanglement that could compromise things. Keep others out of it to protect them. Accept that he'll be alone in this until the end and be aware of any negative consequences that his proud crusade might have (again!). Or reach out to Lavellan and be honest with her and accept help FFS.

 

How it actually went down between them was a complete mess that might very easily blow up in his face completely just like his initial rebellion. That's what upsets me so much about the Solas romance. That he keeps making the same mistakes because his pride and shame still rule over him.

My biggest fear is that his inability to really face what he did by sharing his burden will get him killed OR worse Lavellan. So what happens if their paths cross once again and she learns that he was behind the whole thing from somebody else? She would probably feel betrayed. Get it the wrong way. It would be the ultimate tragedy of his character if the Dalish love of life got it wrong once again and saw him as the bad guy, the Dread Wolf. Just because he didn't explain himself out of shame and fear. Stop running, Solas!

I really hope Bioware won't go there, it would be too cruel for me to bear, but I keep seeing this play out in my head. Lavellan forced to kill him because she doesn't understand. Or him struggling with the decision whether or not to sacrifice her to save his people. But killing her would destroy him. So after that I can't see him going on anymore. He'd probably commit suicide and leave it up to some other god to pick up the pieces of his failure. It would be the ultimate defeat.

Solas messed up big time again. Nothing good can come out of running away from himself.

 

What I'm really hoping we'll get in the Wolfhunt DLC (because I think it's a matter of when not if) is three choices at the end:

1. Join Solas if you think he's got a good plan, possibly compromising the safety of all Thedas or at least a large population of it by doing so
2. Defeat Solas if you think his plan's awful in order to save Thedas 
3. Find some middleground, but this option only appears if you really work for it and/or depending on your choices throughout the DLC

That way, there's tragedy or a potential for happiness to be had if we so choose

[Rabbitonfire]

Hey guys, What armor is this? Or is it a companion-specific build?

 

That's vivienne's variety armor. Don't know a specific name though.

[Avejajed]

Hey guys, What armor is this? Or is it a companion-specific build?

Companion specific to Vivi. The color you can use on anyone but it's much more feminine on her.

I think.