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#52601
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I'm feeling all emotional, I've just finally spoken to Alistair about my Warden and it punched me right in the fuzzies... After the conversation the camera pans round and there's Solas and I'm like "IT WAS YEARS AGO! He was important to me once, don't look at me like that!".


I got all warm fuzzies when my Warden Alistair was talking about my elf lady Warden. It was the sweetest dialogue. I was like awww, such a cute couple! <3 Then, I did Here Lies the Abyss and had to pick between him and Hawke, and I was like whyyyyy, Biowaaaaare?! DX It was an emotional time all around. LOL
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#52602
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I'd rather not talk to Alistair if it means both Hawke and Warden are alive

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Lucky... :(

 

If I'd been faced with that decision with a Warden WS and my usual canon Hawke who romanced Anders then, well, Anders would be very much Hawkeless at the end...and I didn't want to do that, but if it came down to it..Hawke would be the one to stay. Hellish thought, let us not have it anymore...



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Ughh, on my second playthrough and got this banter between Solas and Dorian I'd never heard before:  

 

Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.

Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...

Solas: Dorian... hush.

Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.

Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.

Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.

Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.

Solas: Then how sorry are you?

 

I'm sure this was posted already but... it's really interesting! It seems like a lot of people think Solas' ultimate intention is to free to elven gods, but from this banter it seems like the complete opposite, that he intends to leave them behind and start freeing slaves again... it's weird. The hints about what he intends to do go both ways!  And chiding someone for nostalgia about ancient elves... c'mon Solas.  -_-

 

People have called Solas something of a "race supremacist" for his comment "the People need me" in the post-credits scene. Like somehow his desire to undo his ancient mistake that might have given the elves their current lot means he wants to establish elves as the new world order, or wants to screw over or abandon other races to a terrible fate just to help elves.

 

I don't think that's entirely fair, based on this conversation with Dorian that you just shared and many others. Solas shows that he cares about helping people of all backgrounds. He approves of you helping human refugees in the Hinterlands as much as he does of you helping elves. He badgers Varric about how Orzammar could better use the resources they have to become a global power instead of a rotting city-kingdom, and asks how modern dwarves can just passively accept being a dwindling people instead of the great empire they once were. (Showing that he cares about the fall of the dwarves' greatness as much as the elves'.) He shows disdain for subjugation of any kind; cares about mages; tries to give Sera pointers on how the Friends of Red Jenny can topple the established order, and more. He makes it clear that he wants to help people, just elves just happen to be included among the groups of people he wants to help. 

 

Unlike Sera, Solas doesn't seem feel that "people" and "elves" are mutually exclusive. That helping elves means you don't want to help other people, or that wanting to help "people" means you shouldn't care about elves. Solas' desire to help people includes elves, doesn't exclude them; and vice-versa. I think that wanting to help elves doesn't mean he doesn't care about other people; that wanting to create a new world that helps elves doesn't mean he wants to abandon or subjugate non-elves. The world he wants to make to help elves might also be a world he wants to benefit non-elves.

 

What people forget is that elves do get a raw deal in modern Thedas. Still largely enslaved in Tevinter and Antiva and other countries that allow slavery, and are disproportionately sold into slavery from countries that don't publicly allow it more than other races. City elves live as impoverished and powerless second-class citizens in non-slave societies, holding onto "a few traditions to distinguish themselves from humans," and Dalish live as "shadows wearing vallaslin" in forests. And all of this can arguably be traced back to whatever he did in the past that likely led to the sinking of Arlathan.

 

I think Solas does care about all people and wants to help all people enslaved or subjugated, but since the elves get the rawest deal, and that raw deal is a direct result of something he did in the past, he might feel more motivated to help them. That he feels more drastic measures are needed to help them because they are in the toughest spot and are getting the least help from others. (Mages at least have phenomenal cosmic power, members of every race, ties to nobility, and their own kingdom; dwarves at least have two city-kingdoms of their own and a hold on the lyrium trade that gives them leverage. Elves don't really have much.)


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I'm feeling all emotional, I've just finally spoken to Alistair about my Warden and it punched me right in the fuzzies... After the conversation the camera pans round and there's Solas and I'm like "IT WAS YEARS AGO! He was important to me once, don't look at me like that!".

 

I couldn't do that I always have Alistair as King and glad I did with my first pt cause I don't think I would be happy doing the eeny meeny miny moe on Alistair and my Jack Hawke in that mission.  :(

 

Also hugs to you.  <3


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I couldn't do that I always have Alistair as King and glad I did with my first pt cause I don't think I would be happy doing the eeny meeny miny moe on Alistair or my Jack Hawke in that mission.  :(

 

Also hugs to you.  <3

 

Yeah, it's not my canon, but I was so sad about not being able to talk to Alistair if he's king that I made a special "talking to Alistair" WS.  I've been through In Hushed Whispers with him as King 4 or 5 times now and I'd just had enough lol.



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hot leaf juice:
Catching up to the thread and I had to post this. Couldn't miss the opportunity!

Haha. And coffee is just hot bean juice. mmm.



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I think Solas does care about all people and wants to help all people enslaved or subjugated, but since the elves get the rawest deal, and that raw deal is a direct result of something he did in the past, he might feel more motivated to help them. That he feels more drastic measures are needed to help them because they are in the toughest spot and are getting the least help from others. (Mages at least have phenomenal cosmic power, members of every race, ties to nobility, and their own kingdom; dwarves at least have two city-kingdoms of their own and a hold on the lyrium trade that gives them leverage. Elves don't really have much.)

THIS.  It's no different than any other minority org. trying to just level the playing field.  That's all Solas wants.  Fair play.  To not have the system actively work against the elves who deserve the same rights as humans.  He just wants to rage against the machine....sorry. I'll leave.


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No, Fen'Harel does not seem to like his fellow gods all that much, hence his rebellion against their crimes. Mythal seems to be an exception, his ally once.

 

Solas despises slavery greatly. The current situation with the elves and Tevinter upsets him as much as the slavery of ancient times. Nothing is better than before. His rebellion changed nothing, it only replaced one slave society with a different one.

I too believe that his preoccupation with the past has more to with the magic, not the gods. He wants the flow of the magic to be free again, or maybe free for the first time? Do we know if all elves had equal access to magic? He dreams of a world without the veil, a world where everyone is free, including spirits. The way it seems to have been once. The people need him, not the gods.

He feels guilty for betraying them, but still he thought it necessary and he probably doesn't regret what he did, only what happened afterwards. He does not want the gods to be harmed. But I have my doubts that he wants them free. Or at least not to rule as before, that would mean restoring a hierarchy he rejects (I see the gods more like kings who had a monopoly on magic and that this was the sole reason for their godlike powers, maybe I misunderstood though) . Perhaps "free magic" will strip the gods of their unique power and this problem gets taken care of automatically. This would mean though that the gods can't possibly support Solas' vision.

 

The problem is that lifting the veil would free the gods, I imagine. Or perhaps more complicated, he needs the power of his fellow gods to lift the veil in the first place and restore a magical balance. Or whatever you call the state of magic as it was once. So he cannot have his utopia without dealing with the gods. He requires Mythal's help already. And she seems more concerned with vengeance than the people. So she will complicate things.



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If I'd been faced with that decision with a Warden WS and my usual canon Hawke who romanced Anders then, well, Anders would be very much Hawkeless at the end...and I didn't want to do that, but if it came down to it..Hawke would be the one to stay. Hellish thought, let us not have it anymore...

 

I had to save Alistair from the Fade for my warden, so I planned ahead that my Anders-romanced Hawke would stay. I kind of did it as a punch in Anders' face after finding out how distant and kind of uncaring he had become toward Hawke anyway. Talking to her about Hawke made it seem like she was miserable and hurt, so when she volunteers to stay in the Fade I think she legit wants to just be done with it all but in a way that can make up for the part she played in what Anders did.


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#52611
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WHHHHY?! Why must Solas and Lavellan's ending be so sad!! My heart should not hurt this much :crying:  There are no gifs to properly express my pain, someone please help me lol

 

Oh wait, found one.

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Yuuup, this is me. </3

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let there be a Wolf Hunt DLC! I don't think I could bring myself to play any more Dragon Age games without some sort of resolution for Solavellan. I'm way to attached to this story to have it end there T_T

 

We are all hoping :)

 

Welcome to the Solas Recovery War. Have some cookies and a Solas 

 

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THIS.  It's no different than any other minority org. trying to just level the playing field.  That's all Solas wants.  Fair play.  To not have the system actively work against the elves who deserve the same rights as humans.  He just wants to rage against the machine....sorry. I'll leave.

 

Thank you, this has been bothering me for a while.



#52613
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I had to save Alistair from the Fade for my warden, so I planned ahead that my Anders-romanced Hawke would stay. I kind of did it as a punch in Anders' face after finding out how distant and kind of uncaring he had become toward Hawke anyway. Talking to her about Hawke made it seem like she was miserable and hurt, so when she volunteers to stay in the Fade I think she legit wants to just be done with it all but in a way that can make up for the part she played in what Anders did.

Oh thats dark. You/Hawke took that to a dark place. Dammit Anders!



#52614
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Solas didn't know that Corypheus could take the bodies of other Blighted people/creatures. He sounds surprised and dismayed in the Temple of Mythal after Cory body hops.

 

I can see him wanting to remove the Veil somehow. He's very enthusiastic about what the world could be if that were the case. If there's a less violent way to do it that wouldn't hurt spirits, he'd probably be all for it. One of the theories going around is that removing the Veil is his end goal.

On the other hand he always approves if you use artifacts to strengthen the veil



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On the other hand he always approves if you use artifacts to strengthen the veil

 

The artifacts might be like the mark and the orb. They can strengthen or break the veil depending on the will of the user.



#52616
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Is it just me, or do a lot of these elven artifacts seem like double edged swords? LOL
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Thank you, this has been bothering me for a while.

You are right, I was among those who said he has a race supremacist streak. And that is not an apt description. He probably loved Elvhenan a great deal, loved the people and all the good things this society had. Especially their unmatched magical abilities. I do imagine this to have been a beautiful thing. Perhaps he even considered Elvhenan a better society than how Thedas is now. More sophisticated.

But his reverie has probably less to do with race than with the environment in which his people existed. They had immortality and all that.

So I could imagine he wants to restore everything that was good once without the slavery and make that accessible to all races in Thedas.



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Solas says those artifacts prevent tears in the veil. Since tears in the veil force spirits through against their will, turning them into demons, that's certainly something Solas wants to prevent. He wants the veil gone, but surely not in a way that harms spirits.
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We are all hoping :)

 

Welcome to the Solas Recovery War. Have some cookies and a Solas 

 

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<3 omg. This right here made my day. *huggles the most adorable Solas ever and dips cookies in tea because adorable Solas brought tea and I has no milk* 

 

best Solas Recovery War initiation ever. 

 

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I am imagining that Lavellan has been plagued by desire demons posing as Solas ever since he left. Then one day the real Solas came to her dreams and she says "I will not be tempted by you demon!"  *fireball to the face* Solas then woke up in confusion and sadness. Ok that made me a bit sad. T_T


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#52621
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And I found another song for Solas and Lavellan.  Totally Solas's train of thought when he chickens out on telling her the truth about himself, followed by Lavellan's when he breaks up with her. This stupid romance.  My stupid feels  <_<

 

 

Lyrics in spoiler:

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#52622
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I am imagining that Lavellan has been plagued by desire demons posing as Solas ever since he left. Then one day the real Solas came to her dreams and she says "I will not be tempted by you demon!"  *fireball to the face* Solas then woke up in confusion and sadness. Ok that made me a bit sad. T_T


Actually, I vaguely remember coming across a fanfic with a similar premise...minus the fireball to the face. I think it was NSFW, though.

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Actually, I vaguely remember coming across a fanfic with a similar premise...minus the fireball to the face. I think it was NSFW, though.

>.>  There's two fills

NSFW
http://dragonage-kin...33845#t47433845


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I am imagining that Lavellan has been plagued by desire demons posing as Solas ever since he left. Then one day the real Solas came to her dreams and she says "I will not be tempted by you demon!"  *fireball to the face* Solas then woke up in confusion and sadness. Ok that made me a bit sad. T_T

 

See, I imagine that Solas steers clear of her dreams after he leaves for one very important reason: he had such a hard time breaking up with her, and the Fade was where they first kissed.  In my headcanon, he doesn't want to take the risk of giving in like that again, because if he did, there's no way he could bring himself to walk away from her a second time.  Which is also sad  :(


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>.>  There's two fills

NSFW
http://dragonage-kin...33845#t47433845

So Birdy...what did you think of my chapter, lol?

 

And I just went back through this thread and saw all the posts I made last night...my God I was bad....