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[AryBoBary]

There were harsh words spoken on both sides. Let's not turn this into an "us" vs. "them."

 

Whoa... what did I miss whilst adulting?  Nevermind, I don't want to know.  I love you all.

[NeverlandHunter]

I suppose it makes sense.  Changing your own shape should be pretty hard, which means it either requires blood with a huge amount of Will, or a whole lot of Blood.  Good fit either way, I suppose.  Morrigan being able to do it without being a blood mage is... puzzling.  
 
OH!  No wait.  Maybe it isn't.  Flemeth was breeding her own line of daughters, wasn't she?

Morrigan can also teach your Warden how to shape shift.

[Caddius]

This is the image I get when thinking of Andruil in that context.

       

Mythal would be the most hilarious Rugrat ever.

[Fialka]

Whoa... what did I miss whilst adulting? Nevermind, I don't want to know. I love you all.

Yeah, best not to get into it. Its over, so lets not go pulling the dead horse out of the ground, yes?

Were I not on my phone I'd post a unicorn gif...

Edit: because phone typing is hard

[madrar]

About the Cole bleeding thing, I questioned that too. He doesn't eat, presumably doesn't relieve himself, Solas (not really, he just asked if Cole was interested in women) and Bull seem to believe he can [insert one of Isabela's colorful variety of ways to say having sex], and does he sleep (doesn't look like it)? So why then, does he bleed?

Have you not played Origins madrar? Or are you just talking about getting back to playing Inquisition?

 

 I played DA:O, but six years ago, when Dragon Age was just a game, not a nightmarish, time-sucking, theory-pit.   I wasn't paying attention at all.   Just skipping merrily along, stabbing things and looting corpses.  

 

This mess, of course, is all Solas's fault.   

[CardinalSin90]

Isabela knew about Jory or of him. She asks Aveline if she's shanked Jory or something along those lines.

It was some funny line..when Isabela was asking how good was Donnic in bed.
Did he grey your warden
shank your jory
Kaddis your katie
Dampen your Divine...

[Fialka]

It was some funny line..when Isabela was asking how good was Donnic in bed.
Did he grey your warden
shank your jory
Kaddis your katie
Dampen your Divine...

Yeah, she references a lot of stuff she shouldn't know about. Erm... Then again, it's possible she does

[Eivuwan]

Don't let him trick you!   Remember who it is who's telling you the story.  Solas claims "the blood of those who wouldn't bow low filled lakes as wide as oceans"- but note that he doesn't say he killed them.  He didn't.  They wouldn't bow low to the rest of the Pantheon.  He was leading the rebellion, but it failed- so the blood of all his "followers" was on his hands, because he thought he was right, and could change the world, and failed miserably.  

 

That's the sin of Pride he's talking about there.  But as Cole says: He didn't do it to be right.  He did it to help them.  He wasn't wrong.  

 

That doesn't explain the vanity and wanting worshipers part.

[Sable Rhapsody]

This mess, of course, is all Solas's fault.   

 

Along with everything else 

[AryBoBary]

Yeah, best not to get into it. Its over, so lets not go pulling the dead horse out of the ground, yes?

Were I not on my phone I'd post a unicorn gif...

Edit: because phone typing is hard

 

Like dis?

 

[NeverlandHunter]

It was some funny line..when Isabela was asking how good was Donnic in bed.
Did he grey your warden
shank your jory
Kaddis your katie
Dampen your Divine...

Hmm. So if Varric is telling the story... This means he knew of the incident, adding further proof to the "Dragon Age is all just another one of Varric's stories" theory!
Uh, sorry, Sashimi and madrar are rubbing off on me.

[hellozombie]

It was some funny line..when Isabela was asking how good was Donnic in bed.
Did he grey your warden
shank your jory
Kaddis your katie
Dampen your Divine...

ahaha oh Isabela. I wonder what she'd say about Solas and Lavellan?  "Did he weaken your veil?"  "Did he invade your fade?"  hahaha bring that girl back man. I imagine her and Sera would be total besties forever.

[Caddius]

Like dis?

 

One of Ghilan'nain's creations she was forced to destroy, no doubt. One of the ones that was a test of how far she was going to go, not 'Get these laser-sharks out of my pool,'.

[RebbyWriter]

Yeah, best not to get into it. Its over, so lets not go pulling the dead horse out of the ground, yes?

Were I not on my phone I'd post a unicorn gif...

Edit: because phone typing is hard

 

Yeah. Just know that people take their stance on pies very seriously.

 

Edit for Solas toppage

 

http://solasno.tumbl...eoware-dieoware

[madrar]

That doesn't explain the vanity and wanting worshipers part.

 

The references to vanity are all just "pride".  Ego.  He was so sure that he was right: that he knew how society should be, and that he could change things.   He wanted people to rise up against the power of the Pantheon and encouraged them when they did.  (Not literal worshipers, but ideological followers- elves from the underclasses who came to believe, fight, and die for those ideals.)

[Sister Squish]

Out of likes.

@Caddius would watch the hell out of that sitcom 

@Sashi latest vid is funniest vid yet! 

 

Still collating/processing theories but had some quick tin foil hat new approaches to these: 

 

Spoiler

So I got my 'Art of Dragon Age Inquisition' book and I ran across a drawing of a carpet in Winter Palace...

 

 

It's could be meaningless, but still? It's a rather big carpet, once I get to the Winter Palace I'll try to find out where it is...

What do you think that these 4 dots mean (in the center of each circle)? only the bottom left circle has those dots in Solas' card.

 

4 dots = Crossroads

Moon = Veil, and the fade beyond

Sun = Physical Realm

Water = The Void 

 

 In TME, Felassan seems to know *of* the crossroads and Eluvian, likely to have used them before, and knew of typical servant practices regarding maintaining the rooms and those in "stasis". But he didn't know exactly how the eluvians or the crossroads worked. If Halamshiral was one of the hearts of the Elvhen Empire, it could have been home to Operation: Initiate Crossroads. This knowledge may have been reserved to those creators in power.

The Moon, said to be "created by Mythal", or recorded as such as something created by the Elvehn, led by Mythal. If connection to the fade was reserved for the privileged few, held in place by the veil, the fade (and possibly other places) would have been everything "beyond the veil" for most others. 

Water being the weakest reasoning, relying on traditional concepts IRL of the "underworld" being related to rivers/seas (e.g. egyptian/norse mythology). 

 

Spoiler

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At the time I found this sacrificial ritual on the floor mega creepy. Like, this is the first and *particular* place Solas wants to go to when given a favour. Like... Solas.... is this where you woke up? Were you summoned by somebody into this world? Did it involve blood magic? 
But that's crazy, whatevs. 

 

So relating this to an earlier conversation about Kirkwall and the crazy Forbidden One related blood magic which used to happen underneath it. Those mages were intentionally trying to weaken the veil in order to communicate with the baddies, right? What if Solas returning to this place after waking was because he was aware that someone was intentionally trying to weaken his veil "locks", with sacrificial rituals such as this? 

Would mean that there is someone out there directly trying to counter Solas' efforts... Moriarty style. 

 

All I can say about the theorycrafting is to be careful not to stray into Indoctrination Theory territory. Where you're crafting a story and connections that are much more complex and interesting than the actual story was ever intended to be. 

 

It's a coping mechanism ok

[Fialka]

That doesn't explain the vanity and wanting worshipers part.

Pride and vanity do go hand in hand. And in his banters he does mention being a lot more arrogant in his youth. I'm not sold on the Solas as three gods theory mind you, but, I do think past Solas was likely quite different from the one we know now. Because people grow, and change, and learn, and he's had thousands of years worth.

Personally, I think Solas is simply Fen'Harel... And while I think the myths and the interpretation changed with time, I think Fen'Harel as trickster/dread wolf/scary dude doesn't come from nowhere. Even if his motivations weren't as sinister as they were later interpreted to be (nor did he hug himself while giggling madly with joy after - he has a great banter with Cass about the unintended victims of war), I do believe he might have done some shady 'for the greater good' stuff in his youth.

Edit: only to have his greater good attempt fail spectacularly... And then fail spectacularly again when he makes a move to fix his mistake. And then he goes and falls in love with the unintended (almost-) victim of said spectacular failure.... Oh, Solas...

[RebbyWriter]

Kind of OT but:
 

 

dgaider

anonymous asked:

Could I ask about what was switched over from the Dragon Age 2 canceled expansion and put into Inquisition? What was shuffled over? How difficult was this process?

 

It was indeed a difficult progress to let go of the DA2 expansion’s story. I mean, we never got very far past the planning stage, so I’m well aware that by the time it got to release it would undoubtedly have changed significantly — perhaps even to my great disappointment. Even so, it’s still hard to avoid thinking of what-might-have-been.

So you’ll have to forgive me if I say I never intend to go into detail on it. For my sake as well as the sake of fans, many of whom lack my perspective on such projects — if it’s hard for me, what might it be like for them?

Though they should be happy, to be perfectly frank. The ending we had planned for the expansion was brutal, insofar as some of their favorite characters are concerned…which would have been delightful for us writers, but maybe not so much for them. Maybe it’s better this way.

Or not. Whatever the case, I’ll just say that some basic plots were carried over, and naturally changed as the context for them changed. The Temple of Mythal is a good example. Beyond that, I’ll leave it to your imagination.

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...d-over-from-the

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[Caddius]

Pride and vanity do go hand in hand. And in his banters he does mention being a lot more arrogant in his youth. I'm not sold on the Solas as three gods theory mind you, but, I do think past Solas was likely quite different from the one we know now. Because people grow, and change, and learn, and he's had thousands of years worth.

Personally, I think Solas is simply Fen'Harel... And while I think the myths and the interpretation changed with time, I think Fen'Harel as trickster/dread wolf/scary dude doesn't come from nowhere. Even if his motivations weren't as sinister as they were later interpreted to be (nor did he hug himself while giggling madly with joy after - he has a great banter with Cass about the unintended victims of war), I do believe he might have done some shady 'for the greater good' stuff in his youth.

Fen'harel has a lot of 'soldier bonding' talks with Blackwall. I can see him as an arrogant young Dreamer fighting for Mythal and Elgar'nan, and working his way up the ranks to become Mythal's favorite. Or maybe it was the slave rebellion. Or the inter-Pantheon conflicts. My inner fanboy can't help but picture Solas as an elfy Tavi from Codex Alera. Ridiculously brilliant and underestimated by a lot of his opponents, with a mind that goes like Whoa!

[madrar]

About the Cole bleeding thing, I questioned that too. He doesn't eat, presumably doesn't relieve himself, Solas (not really, he just asked if Cole was interested in women) and Bull seem to believe he can [insert one of Isabela's colorful variety of ways to say having sex], and does he sleep (doesn't look like it)? So why then, does he bleed?

 

It's mentioned that Cole can draw sustenance from the Fade directly, just as the ancient immortal elves did.  "The old songs can pull me.”   He's able to sustain his mortal body that way, and thus doesn't have to eat or sleep. (In a way, Cole is like an inversion of an elf entering Uthenera: a fade-spirit transitioning into a physical self, instead of a physical self transitioning into a fade-spirit.)

 

The blood of beings on the "real" side of the veil is like a physical manifestation of their Will.  Your blood sings the Song that shapes what you are, if that makes any sense. Spirits that are pulled through don't really have much Will of their own- they have a Song, but it's generally very, very quiet.  They don't have a true "self", no sense of individual identity or personality.  No blood.  Most are easily warped and overpowered by how tremendously loud the Real World is, in comparison.   The world completely drowns them out, making their Song something other than it was before.  

 

Cole was a bit like that when he first came through, but at least he wasn't pulled against his will- he came through for a reason.  That willful passage - driven by his own Will, his intent- made his Song strong enough to sustain a sense of "self" on this side of the veil.  The longer he stays, and the more he focuses on being "Cole" - a Self that can decide, the stronger his Will gets.  Strong enough, and that Will starts to manifest itself in the physical body as actual blood.

 

Make sense?

[NeverlandHunter]

I think it makes more sense when we look where he emerged into the physical world. That horrible Circle with such blatant corruption that victims like the original Cole were commonplace. The real Cole had dug his fingernails into his palm, bruised his fists pounding on the doors and the walls, and felt his throat cracked with shouting and thirst. After he died of starvation, the spirit of compassion assumed his identity and, according to what I've heard about Asunder, went around mercy-killing suffering mages with a knife. ("Serial-killer" got thrown around.)
 
It's possible that our Cole bleeds because he has a good understanding of the concept of bleeding. He probably saw a lot of blood and bleeding in that Circle (both from abusive Templars to mages and from himself to his mercy-kill victims) when he first came into the physical world with no memory of what he was. However, things like eating, relieving oneself, and sex were not things he saw or experienced, so he still doesn't fully understand them, so his body doesn't do it.
 
That's my theory. Our Cole probably fashioned his physical body based on what he understood of human bodies. While he understands things like bleeding, he doesn't understand things like eating or sex. Hence, the body he willed into existence doesn't do it.

Great answer!
Honestly, the noise he makes after Blackwall is like "now you can try eating food like a real boy" (not actual quote) is my favorite Cole dialogue in the whole game. Favorite. Favorite. He sounded so XD oh my gracious I had to stop what I was doing because I was laughing so hard.

[Dr. Doctor]

Pride and vanity do go hand in hand. And in his banters he does mention being a lot more arrogant in his youth. I'm not sold on the Solas as three gods theory mind you, but, I do think past Solas was likely quite different from the one we know now. Because people grow, and change, and learn, and he's had thousands of years worth.

Remember how he said he "thought he knew everything"? Well, with his abilities to walk the Fade it would seem that he could do just that. All those fancy secrets Dirthamen and his followers kept? If they think and dream, it will probably pop up there. For all we know it could have been later on that he realized that memory can become distorted in the Fade.

[NeverlandHunter]

Kind of OT but:
 

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