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[Janic99]

My lavellan: 

1:50

YOU LIED TO ME T_T

PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME 

PLEASE COME BACK TO ME<3

[Siha]

Except for those who are still in love with Garrus, I suppose. 

I think, Cassandra is closest to Garrus, maybe? A little awkward, really a soldier through and through and totally insecure with anything beyond that... heart of gold and everything? Maybe try that? ;-)

Garrus, I never did that. My first Mass Effect playthrough was a pure shooter. I did not speak to anyone, I just ran through the missions. (I had not played RPGs before.) When I checked what achievements I was still missing to justify a second playthrough, I found you could romance. Oh! So... Kaidan or Liara? Liara was no option, so Kaidan it was (who had died in my first playthrough and who had seemed so boring). I remember thinking "Why only them? Why not Garrus? I'd go for Garrus."
When ME2 came up, it was too late. I am faithful, I did not romance in ME2 and was pleased to find I could reunite with Kaidan in ME3.
Sure, subsequent playthroughs would check out the romances, but I never ever see any other romance through than Kaidan's (or here, Cullen, so basically Kaidullen). I always break up or reload.

Thinking about it... maybe I DO belong in online forums, there IS something severely wrong with me. :-)

[Eivuwan]

*thumbs up*
Though, I must say... I might even be able to do a Fenris-Rivalmance in real life -- not the friendship romance, though, where you have to carefully consider every single word in order to make him approve. However, I would most likely not put up with a Solas type. Give me a week and I would be so fed up with having somebody around who always needs me to see how special and educated he is and who I may never question. Seen this way, maybe that IS the Fenris friendship romance all over.

 

I don't know why people feel that way about Solas. You can disagree with him on a number of things and the romance would still proceed. The game doesn't allow us to question him TOO much because it would reveal the secret. He seems pretty easy to get along with actually which is why I like the romance.

[CapricornSun]

So I decided to fool around and create myself a male Lavellan (using the default world state) for fun and gave him a test run. The problem is... I actually really like him. D:

 

(Hope you don't mind phone pics of my TV screen because PS3. )

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Meet Riel Lavellan, Dalish First to Clan Lavellan and in my headcanon, twin brother to my Tala Lavellan. (He'll probably be so horrified knowing that his sister is bumping bits with the Dread Wolf. xD)

 

Nearly went with a June vallaslin but I really like Mythal's on him and decided to give him the full vallaslin design. And I seem to always make my male elves redheads for some reason (my male Tabris was a redhead too). Not sure if I'll make him romance Dorian or Josie. I might remake him again and use my City Elf world state for him.

[flabbadence]

I don't know why people feel that way about Solas. You can disagree with him on a number of things and the romance would still proceed. The game doesn't allow us to question him TOO much because it would reveal the secret. He seems pretty easy to get along with actually which is why I like the romance.

 

Agreed. He does get passionate about his opinions, but that doesn't mean he isn't open to discussion. When he gets snide it's often not without cause (Dorian's arguable though). He's even capable of changing his mind about a few big things, like his opinion of the Dalish if you play a Lavellan, of humans if you play a Trevelyan, and so on.

[Siha]

I don't know why people feel that way about Solas. You can disagree with him on a number of things and the romance would still proceed. The game doesn't allow us to question him TOO much because it would reveal the secret. He seems pretty easy to get along with actually which is why I like the romance.

Yes, once started, the romance does proceed and there seems no way to upset him enough to leave you. But if you start disagreeing early on, you never get the chance to even ask him personal questions or romance him.
And I do not necessarily mean getting along with him. I mean his constant "disapproval". (Maybe that word just makes it seem harsher than it actually is... a means necessary to simulate life in a game. Maybe I want a "disagreement" and a "disapproval" meter, not just one for everything.) In real life I can disagree without disapproving of the person. I dislike how every different opinion always leads to disapproval from his side (since disapproval leads to disliking).
I agree with you, Solas IS easy to get along with. I find it hard to alienate him. And I like him as a "person". But I dislike his only-my-opinion-counts attitude. In real life, after a while, I would feel like he does not really respect me if the only thing that ever counts is his own viewpoint and he's never willing to reconsider.

[LliiraAnna]

I don't know why people feel that way about Solas. You can disagree with him on a number of things and the romance would still proceed. The game doesn't allow us to question him TOO much because it would reveal the secret. He seems pretty easy to get along with actually which is why I like the romance.

He approves of almost every little thing you do. On my canon PT, I didn't exile the Wardens and drank from the Well (and did some other things he disapproved of) and it didn't stop the romance from progressing.

 

I also didn't notice him purposefully trying to look smarter than everyone else. If anything, it's the opposite - he has to hide most of the things he knows so that he doesn't look too suspicious. He has to hold back knowledge that is natural to him. But he wants to share. Imagine yourself in his shoes: you know a lot of things others do not, some of them incredibly important, but you cannot tell anyone because it's not something people will believe in/easily accept. It's not pleasant, and you'd probably feel all kinds of sad, bitter and desperate. At least I know I would. But he's pretty humble about it most of the time, and when he (occasionally) slips... well, I find it hard to blame him for that, given his circumstances. 

 

Edit: he also can change his opinion on a number of things over the course of the game, depending on how you talk to him.

 

That's how I see it, anyway 

[Avejajed]

Good morning! My weekend is never long enough, and today's commute was like death by snow.

Q. I played through Crestwood (flooded caves) last night and took, as suggested, Cole, Solas and Bull.

First, I had done the keep first, and even before I went to Crestwood Village. I had to go back to Skyhold and unload so I did the escape routes for Crestwood war table operation. When I was exiting the caves thought I ended up in a area of the dwarven ruins that I had never been to before, sort of a shorter exit

Was that always there and I just missed it or did that exit open because I had done the escape route war table mission?

Two, why are there so many elven artifacts in Crestwood. Two in old Crestwood and one in the Dwarven ruins. Why would there be an old elven artifact in an old dwarven ruin? Someone esplain!

[Siha]

He's even capable of changing his mind about a few big things, like his opinion of the Dalish if you play a Lavellan, of humans if you play a Trevelyan, and so on.

1) Not by discussion or considering someone's opinion. He only changes his mind alone. I never heard him say "I never saw it like that. Let me think about it, maybe you have a point there". And that's the way it should be, I think. A Fen'Harel should not change his mind just after a few discussions with some mortal, that would not make sense and seem strange for a millennia-old "god". But I just could not have a relationship with him.
2) What's "and so on"? I must have missed that he changed his mind more often.

[Eivuwan]

Yes, once started, the romance does proceed and there seems no way to upset him enough to leave you. But if you start disagreeing early on, you never get the chance to even ask him personal questions or romance him.
And I do not necessarily mean getting along with him. I mean his constant "disapproval". (Maybe that word just makes it seem harsher than it actually is... a means necessary to simulate life in a game. Maybe I want a "disagreement" and a "disapproval" meter, not just one for everything.) In real life I can disagree without disapproving of the person. I dislike how every different opinion always leads to disapproval from his side (since disapproval leads to disliking).
I agree with you, Solas IS easy to get along with. I find it hard to alienate him. And I like him as a "person". But I dislike his only-my-opinion-counts attitude. In real life, after a while, I would feel like he does not really respect me if the only thing that ever counts is his own viewpoint and he's never willing to reconsider.

 

That's just how the game works. They either approve or disapprove. You get that with any other companion. Also, it does make sense that if you disagree with him too much early on that he wouldn't bother pursuing a relationship. He never wanted one in the first place so you need to have some levels of compatibility to spark his interest. That's kind of how it is in real life no? You need a certain level of compatibility to get into a relationship. How many rival romances actually exist in real life? I've always thought that aspect of DA2 to be too unrealistic for me to wrap my head around.

[flabbadence]

Good morning! My weekend is never long enough, and today's commute was like death by snow.

Q. I played through Crestwood (flooded caves) last night and took, as suggested, Cole, Solas and Bull.

First, I had done the keep first, and even before I went to Crestwood Village. I had to go back to Skyhold and unload so I did the escape routes for Crestwood war table operation. When I was exiting the caves thought I ended up in a area of the dwarven ruins that I had never been to before, sort of a shorter exit

Was that always there and I just missed it or did that exit open because I had done the escape route war table mission?

Two, why are there so many elven artifacts in Crestwood. Two in old Crestwood and one in the Dwarven ruins. Why would there be an old elven artifact in an old dwarven ruin? Someone esplain!

 

Woot Team Weekes!

 

As for the elven artifacts popping up in a dwarven ruin... I have no idea.

[Eivuwan]

Good morning! My weekend is never long enough, and today's commute was like death by snow.

Q. I played through Crestwood (flooded caves) last night and took, as suggested, Cole, Solas and Bull.

First, I had done the keep first, and even before I went to Crestwood Village. I had to go back to Skyhold and unload so I did the escape routes for Crestwood war table operation. When I was exiting the caves thought I ended up in a area of the dwarven ruins that I had never been to before, sort of a shorter exit

Was that always there and I just missed it or did that exit open because I had done the escape route war table mission?

Two, why are there so many elven artifacts in Crestwood. Two in old Crestwood and one in the Dwarven ruins. Why would there be an old elven artifact in an old dwarven ruin? Someone esplain!

 

Lol, I guess elves were the first people and they put that stuff everywhere when they made the veil

[Caddius]

Good morning! My weekend is never long enough, and today's commute was like death by snow.

Q. I played through Crestwood (flooded caves) last night and took, as suggested, Cole, Solas and Bull.

First, I had done the keep first, and even before I went to Crestwood Village. I had to go back to Skyhold and unload so I did the escape routes for Crestwood war table operation. When I was exiting the caves thought I ended up in a area of the dwarven ruins that I had never been to before, sort of a shorter exit

Was that always there and I just missed it or did that exit open because I had done the escape route war table mission?

Two, why are there so many elven artifacts in Crestwood. Two in old Crestwood and one in the Dwarven ruins. Why would there be an old elven artifact in an old dwarven ruin? Someone esplain!

Trade, maybe? Even in our world's own Bronze Age, which a lot of people think of as the distant and backwards past, there was a roaring international trade. Archaelogists have found a lot of Indus Valley goods in Egypt and Mesopotamia and vice versa. It's possible the dwarves did their enchanting and smithing and traded it for elven artifacts and spells.

There's also the evidence of Cadash Thaig sheltering Arlathan refugees, the dwarves beneath the Brecillian who 'dug too high and too frugally and struck elves', and the seeming elven Pantheon statue reference in the Primeval Thaig.

It's possible the ancient elves and dwarves are a lot more connected than we've been led to believe. It's possible it was just a design thing.

EDIT: Eiuvan, as for rival mances in real life... 

I've known a few. Generally it's been politics, religion, and philosophy that have been complete opposites, (Oh, is that all?) but their personalities mesh in the Origins 'Storm of the Century' sense.  Sometimes it works out, sometimes it, um, explodes.

And for a specific example, to quote TV Tropes's Dating Catwoman page,

"Which one is the protagonist and the antagonist depends on your point of view, but American political strategists Mary Matalin (a Republican, and quite conservative) and James Carville (a Democrat, and certainly rather liberal) faced each other across several elections in the Eighties, culminating in the 1992 campaign (in which Carville engineered Bill Clinton's winning strategy), still regularly appear across from one another on political debate shows, and call one another arch-enemies. They not only dated, but are married (getting hitched in 1993) and the proud parents of two daughters. They understandably do not talk politics at home."

Regardless of my political views, that's just plain adorable.

[Eivuwan]

1) Not by discussion or considering someone's opinion. He only changes his mind alone. I never heard him say "I never saw it like that. Let me think about it, maybe you have a point there". And that's the way it should be, I think. A Fen'Harel should not change his mind just after a few discussions with some mortal, that would not make sense and seem strange for a millennia-old "god". But I just could not have a relationship with him.
2) What's "and so on"? I must have missed that he changed his mind more often.

 

He does say things like "perhaps you're right" and so on. Or there are times when he disapproves initially, but if you pick certain dialogue options to explain yourself, you gain the approval back. He has his strong opinions and might not be as open-minded as Cassandra, but he is more flexible than people like Iron Bull, Vivienne or Sera.

[Siha]

That's just how the game works. They either approve or disapprove. You get that with any other companion. Also, it does make sense that if you disagree with him too much early on that he wouldn't bother pursuing a relationship. He never wanted one in the first place so you need to have some levels of compatibility to spark his interest. That's kind of how it is in real life no? You need a certain level of compatibility to get into a relationship. How many rival romances actually exist in real life? I've always thought that aspect of DA2 to be too unrealistic for me to wrap my head around.

Yes, that is how it works and it is insufficient. But not every character is as straight as Solas. Cassandra, Sera etc. all could surprise me. I said something and they approved or did-not-disapprove, against my expectation. Not with Solas. Hearing my PC speak the words I already knew his reaction.

Then again, I loved that rivalmancing in DA2. And in my life, I found that it is not always the people I totally agree with that I find most compelling. Often enough I strongly disagree and argue with someone (LI or not) and end up liking the person even more afterwards. Because I respect him/her more or simply because differences attract each other. It's just not so easy, I think, "question me => I don't like that => I don't like you".
But, I suppose, this is simply personal preference. Like there are people out there who adore Blackwall and his romance, while I.....

[Mims]

Okay, I'm definitely a few pages behind but if you want to see it I can show you the start of it. It is under the spoiler tag because damn that pic was huge!)

I'm going for a blend of the Mythal statues and Flemeth's character design. You can't see it very well because I'm using the lightest pencil I can find on these canvases so I've altered the brightness and contrast so you can see the actual sketch marks. It's shite now, so fingers crossed I won't completely stuff it up when it comes time to do the actual painting.

Were there concept arts for young Mythal, or was she always Flemeth? I don't have the art books, the tarot cards, haven't read the books or comics or anything, so I honestly don't know. Hel, I didn't even know Alistair was half elf until you guys told me. (I still think the elf+human=human thing is bullshit. Genetics don't work like that, plus Fainriel wasn't human - he was only half so it is already canon that hybrids exist).

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This looks like an excellent start! I look forward to seeing where it goes from there. Those statues are pretty awesome to draw inspiration from. 

 

As for Flemeth/Mythal, I'm not sure. If there exists a younger version of her, then it would probably be in the original DA artbook. I know her design from DAII onward was actually made off of some older art. I believe this is some of her original concept art. 

 

I can't recall anything specifically of the elven pantheon, other than Solas. 

[flabbadence]

1) Not by discussion or considering someone's opinion. He only changes his mind alone. I never heard him say "I never saw it like that. Let me think about it, maybe you have a point there". And that's the way it should be, I think. A Fen'Harel should not change his mind just after a few discussions with some mortal, that would not make sense and seem strange for a millennia-old "god". But I just could not have a relationship with him.
2) What's "and so on"? I must have missed that he changed his mind more often.

 

Well, solitude is pretty much part of his shtick, as well as pride. He does start off thinking he's much wiser than anybody else around, and has a rejoinder prepared for your every dissenting argument. I didn't really mind, since he has been alive for thousands of years and been in all sorts of positions and places. My Chantry boy Trevelyan was annoyed with him though, and more than a little freaked out at first about this apostate with all these strange opinions about spirits and the Fade. But he does have moments where he goes "Ok, maybe I was wrong, and you actually picked the wiser choice". The balcony scene is the most iconic of them, IMO. I did his personal quest right after Here Lies the Abyss, and letting the Wardens stay, so I figured he was referring to that, though I suppose it depends how you play.

 

As to "and so on", that was etc. for the rest of the Inquisitors, sorry if it wasn't clear.

[Avejajed]

Some 30 year old isn't going to change my 1,000+ year old mind over the course of a few conversations.

 

Solas is right to trust his own instinct and wisdom.  He's an ancient being that has seen (and done) more than anyone else in the inquisition. Combined.

 

Edit: This was probably already said. Carry on. lol.

[Sylvanfeather]

I’ve been keeping an eye out for symbols and themes used throughout the game, and came across something interesting.

There is a stained glass in Halamshiral of an elf who is presumably Shartan.

 

(spoilered for size)

Spoiler

 

Ignoring the fact that this could be considered a bit heretical to have in the Winter Palace, the thing that caught my attention was the object in his hand. A key.

And I don’t think this is just to represent the whole idea that Shartan wanted to free the slaves (though it could just be that simple). So, I started looking up some info about the symbolism of the key:

The key is an object symbolic of opening and closing powers. It represents knowledge, mystery, initiation, and curiosity.

In art, Christian saints, pagan gods, and medieval kings alike are depicted holding keys as symbols of their spiritual or temporal power. The key is an object symbolic of opening and closing powers, such as the power to open the door between this world and the next.

Now, it could be a bit of a reach but that sounds an awful lot like the elven foci. The same sort of foci that Solas gave to Corypheus, which created the Anchor and is then referred to several times as a Key, used to open and close rifts in the Veil.

This may have won me over to the theory Shartan and Solas are one in the same. Or at the very least, Shartan was a member of the pantheon.

[RedMagister]

Wisdom does not neccesarily come with age. And the wise do not dismiss the young readily. Solas knows this
There are things other people see that he can't.

[Eivuwan]

Yes, that is how it works and it is insufficient. But not every character is as straight as Solas. Cassandra, Sera etc. all could surprise me. I said something and they approved or did-not-disapprove, against my expectation. Not with Solas. Hearing my PC speak the words I already knew his reaction.

Then again, I loved that rivalmancing in DA2. And in my life, I found that it is not always the people I totally agree with that I find most compelling. Often enough I strongly disagree and argue with someone (LI or not) and end up liking the person even more afterwards. Because I respect him/her more or simply because differences attract each other. It's just not so easy, I think, "question me => I don't like that => I don't like you".
But, I suppose, this is simply personal preference. Like there are people out there who adore Blackwall and his romance, while I.....

 

You are speaking in extremes. I was only trying to argue that Solas is more open-minded and flexible than you make him out to be. As for real life, I never implied that it is the people you "totally" agree with that are the most compelling. I am saying that there needs to be a certain level of compatibility in most relationships. I have certain fundamental values and I probably won't get along in the long-run with people who don't share them. That doesn't mean we can't disagree on other things.

[Avejajed]

I’ve been keeping an eye out for symbols and themes used throughout the game, and came across something interesting.

There is a stained glass in Halamshiral of an elf who is presumably Shartan.

 

(spoilered for size)

Spoiler

 

Ignoring the fact that this could be considered a bit heretical to have in the Winter Palace, the thing that caught my attention was the object in his hand. A key.

And I don’t think this is just to represent the whole idea that Shartan wanted to free the slaves (though it could just be that simple). So, I started looking up some info about the symbolism of the key:

The key is an object symbolic of opening and closing powers. It represents knowledge, mystery, initiation, and curiosity.

In art, Christian saints, pagan gods, and medieval kings alike are depicted holding keys as symbols of their spiritual or temporal power. The key is an object symbolic of opening and closing powers, such as the power to open the door between this world and the next.

Now, it could be a bit of a reach but that sounds an awful lot like the elven foci. The same sort of foci that Solas gave to Corypheus, which created the Anchor and is then referred to several times as a Key, used to open and close rifts in the Veil.

This may have won me over to the theory Shartan and Solas are one in the same. Or at the very least, Shartan was a member of the pantheon.

 

I'm not 100% convinced that Shartan is Solas but every time someone posts another one of these types of posts showing a link between what we know of both- I am more and more slowly getting on board this train.

 

Especially the links between Shartan=Solas and Flemythal=Andraste. I'm just like "No wayyyyy. But..."

 

Makes my head hurt.

[LliiraAnna]

I’ve been keeping an eye out for symbols and themes used throughout the game, and came across something interesting.

There is a stained glass in Halamshiral of an elf who is presumably Shartan.

 

(spoilered for size)

Spoiler

 

Ignoring the fact that this could be considered a bit heretical to have in the Winter Palace, the thing that caught my attention was the object in his hand. A key.

And I don’t think this is just to represent the whole idea that Shartan wanted to free the slaves (though it could just be that simple). So, I started looking up some info about the symbolism of the key:

The key is an object symbolic of opening and closing powers. It represents knowledge, mystery, initiation, and curiosity.

In art, Christian saints, pagan gods, and medieval kings alike are depicted holding keys as symbols of their spiritual or temporal power. The key is an object symbolic of opening and closing powers, such as the power to open the door between this world and the next.

Now, it could be a bit of a reach but that sounds an awful lot like the elven foci. The same sort of foci that Solas gave to Corypheus, which created the Anchor and is then referred to several times as a Key, used to open and close rifts in the Veil.

This may have won me over to the theory Shartan and Solas are one in the same. Or at the very least, Shartan was a member of the pantheon.

Or he could have been "just" a Dreamer mage who somehow got his hands on a foci. From what I understood, those orbs were not elven pantheon-only 

[Eivuwan]

I'm not 100% convinced that Shartan is Solas but every time someone posts another one of these types of posts showing a link between what we know of both- I am more and more slowly getting on board this train.

 

Especially the links between Shartan=Solas and Flemythal=Andraste. I'm just like "No wayyyyy. But..."

 

Makes my head hurt.

 

There are some theories that I just won't buy because it makes for poor story telling. It's normal to have repeating themes in history and in games. It doesn't mean that every similar action has to be done by the same person.

[Kappa Neko]

In my playthrough Solas approved of everything in the beginning. You only had to ask him questions to get approval. I thought he was going to be my best pal in DAI. He was so sweet and polite.
Then things changed...

After a while he started disapproving of everything I did. It drove me insane. I played my Lavellan as somebody who didn't want to kill or exile anybody. Somehow Solas didn't like it... it makes sense now in retrospect what he approves/disapproved of. But that was a rocky relationship and made the romance almost comical. No idea why he loved my Lavellan after so much disapproval. But most characters are like that.
Solas was the opposite of Cassandra. Lavellan pissed her off at first because she resumed her role reluctantly but then became real friends. Solas was only downhill...

I found Solas difficult to please. But then again I didn't make choices to please them even when I knew what they would approve of. I stuck to what my Lavellan would consider right. Which meant Sera hated her. Bull was not too pleased either. Viv hated her until her personal quest.
Dorian ended up my best pal. He would have been a perfect fit (both rather light-hearted on the outside and flirty with people they like) but that was not meant to be... I guess I'm the only one who played her Lavellan secretly in love with somebody else lol. So much for the love of your life discussion *g* Cruel against Solas, I know. I didn't mean it to develop this way, but that's what happened in my head. Solas' gloom and doom personality wasn't a good match which I didn't realize because he wasn't like that initially.
I modelled my Lavellan's personality after her looks (weird as that sounds) though. And she didn't turn out the way I had planned.
So in short: my first playthrough was a total mess! ;D the romance a complete disaster, and I think I need time to get over the whole thing. I hope the Cassandra romance I'm going for now will be less traumatic *g*