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[Queen Rowan]

Is anyone in here having a glitch where Solas's cut scenes don't trigger right after arriving at skyhold, and he only has the Corypheus dialogue? And if so, do you know if there's a way to fix that or if I'll just have to wait for another patch?

[Janic99]

Here about Shartan being solas

[flabbadence]

Is anyone in here having a glitch where Solas's cut scenes don't trigger right after arriving at skyhold, and he only has the Corypheus dialogue? And if so, do you know if there's a way to fix that or if I'll just have to wait for another patch?

 

I don't think he has a cutscene initially after Skyhold the way the other characters do, from what I remember. There's supposed to be a star dialogue option where you can ask him to tell you more about him though. Maybe you have to meet a certain approval level first?

[Avejajed]

There are some theories that I just won't buy because it makes for poor story telling. It's normal to have repeating themes in history and in games. It doesn't mean that every similar action has to be done by the same person.

 

Ah, I think we're probably ALL way off base, if I'm being truthful with myself.

 

But it's still fun to think about- especially the implications of some of the wilder theories, like this one.

 

It's like..."Could it be? Nah. Well, maybe...."

 

Poor storytelling is somewhat neither here nor there because everyone has different opinions on what is good and what is not, they very well could do something completely stupid and think it's a good story. (ME3?)

 

I think a lot of the symbolism is accidental (reuse of statues or whatever) but some of it has to be there for reasons we can't see yet.

[Mims]

Yeah, I am still not really sold on the Shartan=Solas. I do think there's a good possibility that Andraste was an ancestor of Flemeth though. 

 

The main reason I'm not on board with Shartan also being Solas is that there's almost nothing you can pull from the text to suggest it, other than the developer notes about being asleep for a thousand years. Which could easily be off. Most of the theory seems bound to two pieces of concept art. One of which is almost definitely of Havard [the bald guy carrying the 'orb', which is actually the ashes of Andraste], and the stained glass window in the church. The stained glass does have a lot of connection to Solas, but its still just an art asset mimicking a very common religious pose. The fact that it also shows up in Solas's tarot is not really proof of them being connected.

 

The reason I don't trust concept art is because concept artists are rarely handed the whole picture. They are given design documents. This is not to say that there aren't plenty of clues hidden in art, and that concept artists don't know what they are doing. Just that a lot of the nuances people are looking for in the concept art are more narrative in nature...which would be coming from the writers, not really the art department. 

 

I tend to trust the 'text' first, followed by writer interview comments, followed by developer notes, and then finally the art assets. 

 

[Not that it isn't a cool theory though, and I do love hearing it expanded on. Just haven't been convinced yet!]

[Queen Rowan]

I don't think he has a cutscene initially after Skyhold the way the other characters do, from what I remember. There's supposed to be a star dialogue option where you can ask him to tell you more about him though. Maybe you have to meet a certain approval level first?

 

I thought my approval was high enough. He's only disagreed with a few of the things I've done, but I will try to gain more and see if that's the problem. Are there any surefire ways to get approval?

[flabbadence]

Ah, I think we're probably ALL way off base, if I'm being truthful with myself.

 

But it's still fun to think about- especially the implications of some of the wilder theories, like this one.

 

It's like..."Could it be? Nah. Well, maybe...."

 

Poor storytelling is somewhat neither here nor there because everyone has different opinions on what is good and what is not, they very well could do something completely stupid and think it's a good story. (ME3?)

 

I think a lot of the symbolism is accidental (reuse of statues or whatever) but some of it has to be there for reasons we can't see yet.

 

There's also the fact that, sometimes, an awful plot or concept can still turn out to be a pretty good story, if it's executed well. Vice versa too, with a lot of potentially excellent ideas failing because the execution failed.

[Sylvanfeather]

I'm not 100% convinced that Shartan is Solas but every time someone posts another one of these types of posts showing a link between what we know of both- I am more and more slowly getting on board this train.

 

Especially the links between Shartan=Solas and Flemythal=Andraste. I'm just like "No wayyyyy. But..."

 

Makes my head hurt.

 

I'm not entirely convinced of the connection between Shartan and Solas myself. There are a lot of interesting similarities though.

 

 

Or he could have been "just" a Dreamer mage who somehow got his hands on a foci. From what I understood, those orbs were not elven pantheon-only 

 

Well, as I'm not totally onboard with Solas = Shartan... What you are suggesting goes with my other pet theory. Someone "gave" Shartan that key. The same as the Inquisitor got their key. Or the same as Briala got hers.

 

Events just keep repeating over and over again, just like the Matrix.

[Avejajed]

There's also the fact that, sometimes, an awful plot or concept can still turn out to be a pretty good story, if it's executed well. Vice versa too, with a lot of potentially excellent ideas failing because the execution failed.

 

I'm a big reader and I know I've read books that I'm like..."Yeaaaaaaah nope."

 

But other times I'm pretty sure I"m going to hate the idea or concept and end up loving it.

 

I trust the team, probably more than I should.

[Meeres]

There are some theories that I just won't buy because it makes for poor story telling. It's normal to have repeating themes in history and in games. It doesn't mean that every similar action has to be done by the same person.

I'm of the same opinion. I like reading theories folks come up with, and I think it's beneficial to explore and discuss them, but most of the time I just don't agree that they're actually true because they would make for bad storytelling, at least in my experience with writing.

[flabbadence]

I thought my approval was high enough. He's only disagreed with a few of the things I've done, but I will try to gain more and see if that's the problem. Are there any surefire ways to get approval?

 

Helping refugees, asking questions, treating spirits as people, and activating elven artifcats increase his approval

[Avejajed]

I'm not entirely convinced of the connection between Shartan and Solas myself. There are a lot of interesting similarities though.

 

 

 

Well, as I'm not totally onboard with Solas = Shartan... What you are suggesting goes with my other pet theory. Someone "gave" Shartan that key. The same as the Inquisitor got their key. Or the same as Briala got hers.

 

Events just keep repeating over and over again, just like the Matrix.

 

Good lord, you say that too loud and then the Inquisitor will end up being a descendant of Mythal-Flemeth-Andraste and Solas is..well, Solas, and that love story has played itself over and over through the years. (I WILL ALWAYS FIND YOU)

 

lol

[madrar]

I think it would be better to say that the elf-blooded (half-elves) look like humans. They are hybrids of humans/ elves, but always have the appearance of a human. Also, in a world with magic I find it easier not to worry about things like genetics, since there's always a way for magic to trump real-world concepts like genetics.

 

It's all tied together, I believe.   The Song in human blood simply sings far more "loudly" than the elven Song, overpowering it.  Being phenotypically half-racial would require the combination of two songs that could "harmonize"- that could sing together.  This doesn't seem to be true of elves and anyone... else... ....holy crap.

 

MY GOD.   What if that's it?   Start with the assumption that Elgar'nan is Mythal's first-born, a Dragon.  Humans would be of his blood, not the Sun's.  That's why they can't harmonize.  The stronger Song overwrites the other entirely.  Cue totally suspicious rendering of pre-veil events in the Chant.  

 

Dwarves, being Mythal's/Thedas's seem able to harmonize with humans. (Is there such a thing as an elf-Dwarf hybrid?)  Dragons are clearly harmonic with someone, since Qunari exist- but did Tevinter muck with humans, or elves?

 

*clutches head*

 

Back up.  I think I'm making some false assumptions here.   Elgar'nan might still be elvhen.  The possibility of harmony might just be a matter of how strong the Song is.   Does someone have a source for exactly which races can and can't produce phenotypic half-and-half offspring?   

 

The races are just the eternal triad- the way everything is created.  One piece of Earth, and one of the two competing Suns.

 

*sits back and laughs*

 

My god.  That might actually be it.  

[Caddius]

Helping refugees, asking questions, treating spirits as people, and activating elven artifcats increase his approval

I've found my experience with Solas to be similar to my experience with Sten.

I found it bizarrely hard to not make Sten and the Warden besties. I was shocked when my friends complained about how hard he is to gain approval with.

Same with Solas. *shrug* Well...except for not banishing the Wardens. 

I got the drunken Cassandra disapproval scene and the trolling furniture scene with Vivienne recently on my latest Lavellan.

[Vhenan In Fen'Harel]

Agreed. He does get passionate about his opinions, but that doesn't mean he isn't open to discussion. When he gets snide it's often not without cause (Dorian's arguable though). He's even capable of changing his mind about a few big things, like his opinion of the Dalish if you play a Lavellan, of humans if you play a Trevelyan, and so on.

There are more than a few times where he'll concede points and give ground. I found that refreshing.

 

Oh top of the page again?

 

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[flabbadence]

I've found my experience with Solas to be similar to my experience with Sten.

I found it bizarrely hard to not make Sten and the Warden besties. I was shocked when my friends complained about how hard he is to gain approval with.

Same with Solas. *shrug* Well...except for not banishing the Wardens. 

I got the drunken Cassandra disapproval scene and the trolling furniture scene with Vivienne recently on my latest Lavellan.

 

Same  . He showered my Lavellan with approval, to the point where I started taking it fore granted. And then the wardens happened, and I was shocked. And pleased too, in a way. They finally disagreed on something, phew.

 

Haven't gotten drunken Cassandra yet. Is it as hilarious as it sounds?

[Mims]

 

Haven't gotten drunken Cassandra yet. Is it as hilarious as it sounds?

 

I believe drunken Cassandra is her max disapproval dialogue. So she's kind of an angry drunk at that point. 

[CapricornSun]

I've found my experience with Solas to be similar to my experience with Sten.

I found it bizarrely hard to not make Sten and the Warden besties. I was shocked when my friends complained about how hard he is to gain approval with.

Same with Solas. *shrug* Well...except for not banishing the Wardens. 

I got the drunken Cassandra disapproval scene and the trolling furniture scene with Vivienne recently on my latest Lavellan.

 

For my Lavellan PT, I sometimes wonder how I even managed to get Solas to remain liking her since he disapproved a lot of the stuff my Lav did. She didn't allow him to kill the mages on his personal quest, she made Cole more human, and she didn't banish the Wardens. xD She didn't drink from the Well of Sorrows however, so at least there's that.

 

Cassandra surprised me because I was sure I gained a lot of disapproval from her but she eventually became one of my Lav's best friends. Not complaining though.   I have yet to see the max disapproval/drunk Cassandra scene. Not sure if I want to. xD

 

I also got the max disapproval/trolling furniture scene from Vivienne. That made me laugh.

[Catriana]

Good gracious, I think the last time I posted this thread was on page 1200 or something. I've been sort of keeping track but there's so much passion about this guy! I love it.

 

So it's 6:30 am and I was lying in bed skimming the threads and thinking about my own playthrough when a sudden thought occured to me. I'm sure it's already popped up but

 

Spoiler

what if Solas's objective isn't to free the elven gods, but to take their powers/essence(?) as he did with Flemythal so he can 'casually reshape reality'? He couldn't complete his initial objective because the orb was destroyed and he needs power. Flemythal has split herself into too many parts for him to have enough power to do what he needs to do on a large scale. 

 

It's just a random thought, but one that popped up and festered - especially when I think about his banter with Vivienne regarding their views on mage freedom and how one should deal with any mage who became a criminal.

 

So I dunno, maybe he doesn't want to go back to the past or even restore it, but I could be convinced there's a possibility he wants to reshape the world so that everything 'sings the same' again. And behind that could be a desire to reshape society as it stands, which I could see it making him look like a villain yet not?

 

There's some holes in the theory, mostly because Solas' outlook at the end of the game varies depending on how your inquisitor treats him, and this would obviously affect his actions in future games/dlcs. He could end up being utterly ruthless ends-justify-the-means if you were antagonistic and enhanced all of his negative feelings about the world he woke up in. Solas could approach things more traditionally, or he could want to reshape the world but do everything completely different. A new start.

 

Ok that's enough rambling out of me.

[Sylvanfeather]

Good lord, you say that too loud and then the Inquisitor will end up being a descendant of Mythal-Flemeth-Andraste and Solas is..well, Solas, and that love story has played itself over and over through the years. (I WILL ALWAYS FIND YOU)

 

lol

 

Nooo... Forget I ever said anything like that! That would be not good.

 

For what it's worth, my crazy ideas don't include descendants of anyone. Children from a Mythal possessed body would never have any connection or relation to Mythal. (Souls are not DNA!) 

[Mims]

I am so sad I missed out on the furniture troll. Because Vivienne and I never got along, even though I did her main quest with a bunch of approval. I could never get any of her friendlier dialogues, or even get her to chat with me. 

 

Same thing happened with Sera, actually. Got her main quest, but never got the prank scene or the cookie one. I finally just reloaded an old save and agreed with her about the temple of Mythal. Got the prank scene at least. 

[Rabbitonfire]

Good gracious, I think the last time I posted this thread was on page 1200 or something. I've been sort of keeping track but there's so much passion about this guy! I love it.

 

So it's 6:30 am and I was lying in bed skimming the threads and thinking about my own playthrough when a sudden thought occured to me. I'm sure it's already popped up but

 

Spoiler

what if Solas's objective isn't to free the elven gods, but to take their powers/essence(?) as he did with Flemythal so he can 'casually reshape reality'? He couldn't complete his initial objective because the orb was destroyed and he needs power. Flemythal has split herself into too many parts for him to have enough power to do what he needs to do on a large scale. 

 

It's just a random thought, but one that popped up and festered - especially when I think about his banter with Vivienne regarding their views on mage freedom and how one should deal with any mage who became a criminal.

 

So I dunno, maybe he doesn't want to go back to the past or even restore it, but I could be convinced there's a possibility he wants to reshape the world so that everything 'sings the same' again. And behind that could be a desire to reshape society as it stands, which I could see it making him look like a villain yet not?

 

There's some holes in the theory, mostly because Solas' outlook at the end of the game varies depending on how your inquisitor treats him, and this would obviously affect his actions in future games/dlcs. He could end up being utterly ruthless ends-justify-the-means if you were antagonistic and enhanced all of his negative feelings about the world he woke up in. Solas could approach things more traditionally, or he could want to reshape the world but do everything completely different. A new start.

 

Ok that's enough rambling out of me.

The one true maker! \[T]/

[Arlee]

 

I am mentally prepared.

 

"Words mortals often hurl at the Night. They are always lies." Hehe couldn't resist quoting Cory for a moment But seriously I went into it thinking I was prepared... I was not Though, I didn't know about the extra dialogue at the end so that was a nice surprise... followed by immediate sad of lonely balcony scene Just started my third PT to romance Dorian, to try and ease my pain ><

 

I do wonder about his silence after Adamant, I headcanon that he didn't dare open his mouth because he knew he'd blow up about Grey Wardens and darkspawn in general. What he knows he can't handwave by saying he saw it in the Fade. 

 

It might DAO nostalgia but his attitude towards the Wardens does annoy me. If he knows something that would help he should say rather than condemning everyone for misunderstanding the Blight. 

 

My take on it it is, the problem with an "at all costs" mantra is anything can be justified with it, even true horrors. So no matter what good the Wardens can do, he sees the possibility of doing bad as more likely. Plus he has very little faith in organizations when it comes to appropriate use of power as is. i think those two views are the main things which make him feel like the Wardens shouldn't be allowed to continue.

 

Haven't gotten drunken Cassandra yet. Is it as hilarious as it sounds?

 

I haven't gotten it either, I can't help but be besties with her, but I watched it on youtube and it is indeed hilarious

[Arlee]

I also got the max disapproval/trolling furniture scene from Vivienne though. That made me laugh.

 

Ahmg! I'm going to have to try and get this on my current PT, I didn't even know it existed. I also need to work on figuring out how to get leliana Divine, I thought I had it last time but I ended up with Cassandra again ><

[Mims]

The game is very strange with the divine choices. I get Leliana no matter who I sided with- perhaps because I softened her ruthlessness? She did sound like a good leader at the end. But I was hoping for Vivienne, just because I'd like to see how her in that role plays out across future games. [If at all.] 

 

Poor Cassandra. I actually think she'd do a great job, but I like her as a soldier and my friend better.