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So the Void is sort of like the antimatter to the Fade's matter?

 

I'll have to mull this over.

 

Maybe the veil somehow is what is "shielding" the dwarves from their magic?

 

Like the veil is like a piece of plastic you put down on the ground under a flower bed so the roots don't go too deep?


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From what I remember, I think they state that technically all magic is drawing energy from the fade, pulling it from there to here with your will. And given Sylaise's Song codex entry, she is definitely that big of a show-off!!

 

Wow, I hadn't read that codex.  Chalk one up for Alger'nan's faction.  Not to lean too hard on the Andruil connection, but possibly a mirrored hint there of Sera's bitter "family" problems.



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I'm not sure I'm catching what Ave means by matter/anti-matter.  It's certainly... nothing.  A lack-of-universe-stuff that holds things in a semi-suspended state of nothingness.  Interesting that particular fear should show up as Sera's greatest one, yeah?  At the time I thought it was just a reference to her uncertainty about there being a true meaning to life beyond the surface, a greater Plan that made sense and was real.  

 

Now I kind of think yeah, that's true- but also, literal Void.  Because Andruil.

 

When does it ever say the Void has nothing though? It could be that it's actually full of magic discordant with the Fade, and it's the two mixing together that causes corruption.


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I feel like I have nothing to add to any theory discussions... But I have a doodle!

 

Spoiler

 

... I'm sick and have nothing to do :/ I'm not sure I got Solas' face to look like him...


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I feel like I have nothing to add to any theory discussions... But I have a doodle!

 

Spoiler

 

... I'm sick and have nothing to do :/ I'm not sure I got Solas' face to look like him...

 

The image isn't showing up for me :(


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Maybe the veil somehow is what is "shielding" the dwarves from their magic?

 

Like the veil is like a piece of plastic you put down on the ground under a flower bed so the roots don't go too deep?

 

Not if magic works the way I think it does, though you certainly don't have to be on board with that.  Dwarves are cut off because they have no presence at all in the Fade: no fade shadow to start with, and no way (I don't think) to connect one. No actual conduit.  Just like the Tranquil, spirits can't possess dwarves, because there's no way in.  

 

The veil, on the other hand, is what separates the physical world from the Fade.  Related to the conduit, yes- but not the same thing.  



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Maybe the veil somehow is what is "shielding" the dwarves from their magic?

 

Like the veil is like a piece of plastic you put down on the ground under a flower bed so the roots don't go too deep?

 

So the veil's somehow thicker underground than it is above? Or is it the void found underground that's stopping the fade somehow?

 

DLC come to me



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When does it ever say the Void has nothing though? It could be that it's actually full of magic discordant with the Fade, and it's the two mixing together that causes corruption.

 

*stops short*

 

Wait.  Conceptually, it would be the lack of Song- not a counter-song that produced dissonance.  Silence.  Not being.  Void.  

 

It's a bubble of Silence, separate and cut off from the Song of Creation.  That's how it fits in to the whole physics angle.  

 

GAIDER. 


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Someone here has already elaborated this theory, waaay back, like, 200 pages? It is an interesting theory, but we still lack solid codex. Even Book of Thedas is a bit controversary, considering all the plot twists in DAI.

 

Well, there is a World of Thedas Part 2 coming out in May according to Amazon.  At first I was surprised, but we probably got as much lore in DA:I as we did in the earlier games combined.  So we can sink our teeth into that even if Wolf Hunt DLC is not forthcoming.


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One of those things I don't quite get, is why Seekers cannot become posessed after being touched by spirits during their Tranquility. Maybe some of you, guys, have any Idea?



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The image isn't showing up for me :(

Thanks for telling me :)

 

How about now?


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Totally on board. This is just true. The white faces of Mythal's Children were puzzling me, but vallaslin. You're a genius! That's definitely it.

Me too. This makes perfect sense. If the art is trolling it's masterfully played. June's art design looks so distinctly different and dwarven, this HAS to be true!
The beard and vallaslin is indeed brilliant. This better be true, Bioware...

I still try to look at the whole god stuff in a more literal sense as well. What the myths translate to when you strip away the worship aspect. Like with the herald. People believe what they want to believe, so there is not going to be an answer. Bioware likes to keep things ambiguous. You can believe in a higher power or not. But what could be the "ordinary" explanation for everything be? I know, kind of boring.
Anyway, if these gods were simply very powerful members of society it makes sense that one could be a different race. But what exactly the connection is between them all in both the literal and the supernatural sense, that is the questions. And I love all your theories. I haven't had time yet to do my own research and replay. But maybe soon... I just need to say goodbye to social life and my sanity, and then I might have something smart to contribute.
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*stops short*

 

Conceptually, it would be the lack of Song, not a counter-song that produced dissonance.  Silence.  Not being.  Void.  

 

No, I know what "void" means  :lol:. Just throwing out possibilities



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Well, there is a World of Thedas Part 2 coming out in May according to Amazon.  At first I was surprised, but we probably got as much lore in DA:I as we did in the earlier games combined.  So we can sink our teeth into that even if Wolf Hunt DLC is not forthcoming.

Meh. Will be a kindle edition for me  :( I prefer real books, but an eternity will pass before I get this one shipped to my country.



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This has to be the creepiest best screenshot I've gotten of Solas yet. omfg... lol

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Let me balance that with a sillier one.

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Meh. Will be a kindle edition for me  :( I prefer real books, but an eternity will pass before I get this one shipped to my country.

 

Part 1 was a great lore refresher for me, though I've never been as much into the theorycrafting.  Between that and replaying the series before DA:I, though, it partially destroyed Blackwall's character reveal for me.  I'd literally JUST finished playing DA:O and read his letter codex in World of Thedas when Blackwall was all like, "Yeah, I was totally wandering around Ferelden during the Blight.  And you just stab Archdemons to kill them."

 

Worse liar than Solas  <_<


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lizasaurus, you also wrote the Lyrium is Titan Blood theory, right? Cause I'm falling for you

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#53143
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Thanks for telling me  :)

 

How about now?

 

Working!

 

It's really cute  :D. And guilt-inducing because I should be in bed by now  :rolleyes:

 

 

One of those things I don't quite get, is why Seekers cannot become posessed after being touched by spirits during their Tranquility. Maybe some of you, guys, have any Idea?

 

I'm assuming it's because they use spirits for their rituals, not demons

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So the veil's somehow thicker underground than it is above? Or is it the void found underground that's stopping the fade somehow?

 

DLC come to me

 

Let's say magic, whatever the elves had, whatever kept people immortal....is (was) everywhere. It was just a part of the world, it came from the sky to the ground and seeped in like water. It was underground in the "void"  and in whatever the "fade" was. It was everywhere. It was earth and air and water and fire...

 

But then lets say the veil got tossed up for whatever reason and it works as a barrier between the sky and the earth. The dwarves then (being underground?) are effectively cut off from their supply of magic. The only thing they have are veins of lyrium which flow like roots. But they aren't enough.

 

Maybe the forgotten ones are the dwarven deities. 



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So, what is this Sera = Andruil theory I keep seeing floating around? I see some folks state it like it's a thing, but what's the actual theory/"evidence" for thinking this?

 

I've somehow missed the origin of that.



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Let's say magic, whatever the elves had, whatever kept people immortal....is (was) everywhere. It was just a part of the world, it came from the sky to the ground and seeped in like water. It was underground in the "void"  and in whatever the "fade" was. It was everywhere. It was earth and air and water and fire...

 

But then lets say the veil got tossed up for whatever reason and it works as a barrier between the sky and the earth. The dwarves then (being underground?) are effectively cut off from their supply of magic. The only thing they have are veins of lyrium which flow like roots. But they aren't enough.

 

Maybe the forgotten ones are the dwarven deities. 

 

Or it could be that the Fade underground was "crystallized" into lyrium


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No, I know what "void" means  :lol:. Just throwing out possibilities

 

Oh no!   I didn't mean to shut you down!  That possibility you threw out made the whole idea solidify into a sensible part of how the DA universe works in my head.

 

That's why we spitball ideas: to see what sticks.  It was totally helpful!  Thank you!



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Oh no!   I didn't mean to shut you down!  That possibility you threw out made the whole idea solidify into a sensible part of how the DA universe works in my head.

 

That's why we spitball ideas: to see what sticks.  It was totally helpful!  Thank you!

 

Glad to know  :D



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So, what is this Sera = Andruil theory I keep seeing floating around? I see some folks state it like it's a thing, but what's the actual theory/"evidence" for thinking this?

 

I've somehow missed the origin of that.

 

 

If you're looking for cold, hard fact, it's not going to be easy to get on board.  It's a theory that's built on a thousand pieces of circumstantial evidence, taken in combination with how it seems Old God Souls (elvhen fade-shadows) work and how Solas fits into the reincarnation cycle that underlies the whole thing.  

 

It's kind of an exhausting theory to write up, though, with a lot of little pieces that have to be individually documented before they can be displayed as a coherent whole.  Anyone know of a decent source that sums everything up?