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[Tai]

I posted about this in the Cullen thread, but I'm guessing it's possible some people might be interested in this exploit/bug I encountered.  I'm not 100% if it's repeatable, but I was able to romance both Cullen and Solas fully until the end of the game- intact.  I didn't do intentionally, it just sort of happened and I rolled with it until the end out of curiosity.  Here's how it happened:

 

My Lavellan kissed Solas in the Fade and then immediately after when she woke up, she agreed with Solas that it was best to remain friends by hitting the broken heart icon.  Despite this, Solas acknowledged the kiss after his personal quest on the balcony.  I thought, oh well why the hell not? and had my Lavellan kiss him after he brought it up again.  The romance flag didn't actually lock her into it, however, and Solas will continue to call her Lethallan and Friend; neither will Sera, Vivienne, or the gossipers acknowledge their romance.  I was then free to pursue the Cullen romance, because I assumed what happened must have been a fluke.  I just headcanoned that they decided it couldn't work out and it was some time later (after Cullen's personal quest, Perseverance, in fact) that I initiated the Cullen romance.  Cullen's romance will lock in, and be acknowledged in his dialogue and outside gossip.

 

At the Winter Palace, Lavellan can request a dance from both Cullen and Solas, but it will be Cullen who will pursue her on the balcony to dance.

 

The end, after the Temple of Mythal, was when things became interesting.  Solas's romance scene does trigger and my Lavellan had the choice to remove her vallaslin (I decided to keep it so things wouldn't get too bizarre).  Solas's tarot card actually changed, too, despite his romance not being the active one.  The end scenes play out exactly as if she's romancing Cullen and Solas.  Here are some screenshots:

 

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I will be doing this, oh yes.

[Arlee]

 

 

Otherwise, TL;DR: Kirkwall was constructed as a CITY-SIZED, SHAPED GLYPH. It's sewers held downward grooves FOR BLOOD MAGIC RITUALS. Personally, I think this is not the first time magic of this scale was attempted. But I fully acknowledge that that is opinion.

 

 

That's some crazy Fullmetal Alchemist stuff right there.

 

Lucy the dragon.

 

Or Derral the dragon. That's a good name for a dragon

[Rabbitonfire]

Sure does.  I'm definitely willing to chalk it up as an ancient-Tevinter-era attempt to do something absolutely massive, though not convinced it was what actually worked to break Corypheus and co into the fade.  The blood magic = counter to fade idea from Solas makes me think it's an enormous red herring, but I could be totally wrong.  That whole time period is really weak and shaky in my head.  

What if there were multiple attempts to open the veil in various cities? Kirkwall being one of the biggest outside of tevinter imperium?

[electricfish]

I don't know if it's been pointed out before, but Kirkwall's supposed symbol of slave rebellion looks an awful lot like the High Dragon constellation. This symbol later evolved into the "formal" one we saw all over Hightown in DA2. Seems rather suspicious that the symbol of (possibly) one of the Old Gods was used to rally slaves into rebelling.

 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[madrar]

Definitely Solas. Well, if we're looking at Milton's Paradise Lost's depiction of Satan/Lucifer, definitely Solas.
 

Translated into Dragon Age:

Fen'Harel during the age of Arlathan was deeply prideful, albeit powerful and charismatic. Fen'Harel's persuasive powers are evident throughout the lore; not only is he cunning and deceptive, but he is also able to rally the slaves of the Elvenhan Empire to continue in their rebellion despite their agonising defeats against the Dreamer Nobility. He argues that certain members of the Elven Pantheon and Elvenhan Dreamers rule as a tyrants and that all the People ought to rule be able to rule themselves, have free will, and be free from slavery. Though commonly understood to be the antagonizing force in the Fall of Arlathan, Fen'Harel may be best defined as a tragic or Hellenic hero. According to William McCollom, one quality of the classical tragic hero is that he is not perfectly good and that his defeat is caused by a tragic flaw. As Fen'Harel causes both the downfall of the elves  and the eternal damnation of his fellow Elven Gods despite his dedication to his comrades, Fen'Harel is perhaps an ur-example of the trope. In addition, Fen'Harel’s Hellenic qualities, such as his immense courage and perhaps lack of completely defined morals compound on his tragic nature.

 

This, exactly.   Decontextualize the whole thing from the Good<->Evil dichotomy of Christianity and substitute Order<->Chaos instead, and you have Thedas and Solas in a nutshell.  His role as hero/antihero, protagonist/antagonist depends on the axis point from which his actions are being viewed and where you think the balance ought to fall. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[electricfish]

I thought it was mostly the Lowtown "people people" painting over the more "upper class" official version because they're ornery. But yeah. Symbol of a revered constellation that is considered super weird because of the serpentine shape and that it represents dragons in general, rather than one specific dragon.

Except Mythal, who turned into a serpent to fight Andruil that one time. So, was Flemythal nudging history with slave rebellions, or a different spearhead at work?

[vierrae]

Definitely Solas. Well, if we're looking at Milton's Paradise Lost's depiction of Satan/Lucifer, definitely Solas.
 

Translated into Dragon Age:

Fen'Harel during the age of Arlathan was deeply prideful, albeit powerful and charismatic. Fen'Harel's persuasive powers are evident throughout the lore; not only is he cunning and deceptive, but he is also able to rally the slaves of the Elvenhan Empire to continue in their rebellion despite their agonising defeats against the Dreamer Nobility. He argues that certain members of the Elven Pantheon and Elvenhan Dreamers rule as a tyrants and that all the People ought to rule be able to rule themselves, have free will, and be free from slavery. Though commonly understood to be the antagonizing force in the Fall of Arlathan, Fen'Harel may be best defined as a tragic or Hellenic hero. According to William McCollom, one quality of the classical tragic hero is that he is not perfectly good and that his defeat is caused by a tragic flaw. As Fen'Harel causes both the downfall of the elves  and the eternal damnation of his fellow Elven Gods despite his dedication to his comrades, Fen'Harel is perhaps an ur-example of the trope. In addition, Fen'Harel’s Hellenic qualities, such as his immense courage and perhaps lack of completely defined morals compound on his tragic nature.

Great, my very own Dreadnought Optimism just went boom. I also hope Weekes is not that well-versed in classics 

[jellobell]

Definitely Solas. Well, if we're looking at Milton's Paradise Lost's depiction of Satan/Lucifer, definitely Solas.
 

Translated into Dragon Age:

Fen'Harel during the age of Arlathan was deeply prideful, albeit powerful and charismatic. Fen'Harel's persuasive powers are evident throughout the lore; not only is he cunning and deceptive, but he is also able to rally the slaves of the Elvenhan Empire to continue in their rebellion despite their agonising defeats against the Dreamer Nobility. He argues that certain members of the Elven Pantheon and Elvenhan Dreamers rule as a tyrants and that all the People ought to rule be able to rule themselves, have free will, and be free from slavery. Though commonly understood to be the antagonizing force in the Fall of Arlathan, Fen'Harel may be best defined as a tragic or Hellenic hero. According to William McCollom, one quality of the classical tragic hero is that he is not perfectly good and that his defeat is caused by a tragic flaw. As Fen'Harel causes both the downfall of the elves  and the eternal damnation of his fellow Elven Gods despite his dedication to his comrades, Fen'Harel is perhaps an ur-example of the trope. In addition, Fen'Harel’s Hellenic qualities, such as his immense courage and perhaps lack of completely defined morals compound on his tragic nature.

Ehhh, I wouldn't take the comparison too far. The core of the Lucifer story is Lucifer's relationship with God. All of that rebelling is done in the context of that relationship. But relations among the elven pantheon were a bit more variable. It also seems like Solas's cause was not for his own benefit, but for the benefit of others (as Cole says). Because of that, I think a better comparison would be Prometheus. Out of a selfish and insular pantheon, Prometheus was the one god who cared for mortals enough to help them, even at the cost of his own freedom and wellbeing.

 

At the end of the day, Solas emphatically does not want dominion over others. He approves of stepping away from power.

[HayleyDawn]

I made a forum account just to talk about Solas, and beg for a DLC over in the suggestions/feedback forum.

That is how much his character resonated with me.

 

When the game was over, I cried like a baby, and days later, I'm still reeling. I feel like I've been abandoned/broken up with. ;__; I really didn't think I'd get so attached to him. I started off the game intent on romancing Blackwall, and halfway through, rerolled a female elf just to get to know Solas better. Lost without him. 

 

You guys could cosign my Solas thread over in suggestions if you also want DLC. I know there are probably others (multiple, most likely) but hey, the more the better when you're pushing for something  

 

I need closure. ****, I just need more of that beautiful, sensitive, stoic Solas romance.

I'm an addict, I know. I'll stop now.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[HurricaneGinger]

Definitely Solas. Well, if we're looking at Milton's Paradise Lost's depiction of Satan/Lucifer, definitely Solas.
 

Translated into Dragon Age:

Fen'Harel during the age of Arlathan was deeply prideful, albeit powerful and charismatic. Fen'Harel's persuasive powers are evident throughout the lore; not only is he cunning and deceptive, but he is also able to rally the slaves of the Elvenhan Empire to continue in their rebellion despite their agonising defeats against the Dreamer Nobility. He argues that certain members of the Elven Pantheon and Elvenhan Dreamers rule as a tyrants and that all the People ought to rule be able to rule themselves, have free will, and be free from slavery. Though commonly understood to be the antagonizing force in the Fall of Arlathan, Fen'Harel may be best defined as a tragic or Hellenic hero. According to William McCollom, one quality of the classical tragic hero is that he is not perfectly good and that his defeat is caused by a tragic flaw. As Fen'Harel causes both the downfall of the elves  and the eternal damnation of his fellow Elven Gods despite his dedication to his comrades, Fen'Harel is perhaps an ur-example of the trope. In addition, Fen'Harel’s Hellenic qualities, such as his immense courage and perhaps lack of completely defined morals compound on his tragic nature.

 

DID YOU JUST

 

YOU DID

 

i am so in love with you right now 

[bunniebean]

Ok this is off topic but im having a tough time finding an answer and you guys are pretty smart (not to mention this topic is wicked active) so bear with me here lol So i guess at some point in my pt my world state became null and void if you will, not sure when. I didnt notice until i got back from the Winter Palace and a certian K wasnt there. Loaded my world state again but still no appearance. Am I sol when i get to the cutscene at the end with K and My? Or will K just pop up as if i met them at Skyhold? Hanging on a hope that i might not have to start over. Again. Thank you for any help!

[kalasaurus]

I posted about this in the Cullen thread, but I'm guessing it's possible some people might be interested in this exploit/bug I encountered.  I'm not 100% if it's repeatable, but I was able to romance both Cullen and Solas fully until the end of the game- intact.  I didn't do intentionally, it just sort of happened and I rolled with it until the end out of curiosity.  Here's how it happened:

 

My Lavellan kissed Solas in the Fade and then immediately after when she woke up, she agreed with Solas that it was best to remain friends by hitting the broken heart icon.  Despite this, Solas acknowledged the kiss after his personal quest on the balcony.  I thought, oh well why the hell not? and had my Lavellan kiss him after he brought it up again.  The romance flag didn't actually lock her into it, however, and Solas will continue to call her Lethallan and Friend; neither will Sera, Vivienne, or the gossipers acknowledge their romance.  I was then free to pursue the Cullen romance, because I assumed what happened must have been a fluke.  I just headcanoned that they decided it couldn't work out and it was some time later (after Cullen's personal quest, Perseverance, in fact) that I initiated the Cullen romance.  Cullen's romance will lock in, and be acknowledged in his dialogue and outside gossip.

 

At the Winter Palace, Lavellan can request a dance from both Cullen and Solas, but it will be Cullen who will pursue her on the balcony to dance.

 

The end, after the Temple of Mythal, was when things became interesting.  Solas's romance scene does trigger and my Lavellan had the choice to remove her vallaslin (I decided to keep it so things wouldn't get too bizarre).  Solas's tarot card actually changed, too, despite his romance not being the active one.  The end scenes play out exactly as if she's romancing Cullen and Solas.  Here are some screenshots:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I should also add that my Lavellan was able to have the "romance talk" with Solas after his romance scene where she can ask about what happened, too.  He'll also cease to call her Lethallan and grows more distant afterwards by calling her Inquisitor.

 

Overall, it made for an interesting story to headcanon around.  I won't go so far as to say it's an ideal situation--she's basically two timing them with no consequence--but I imagined that she was in a committed relationship with Cullen but just had a really close friendship with Solas where they had feelings for each other but knew it couldn't work.  Solas tried to keep his distance after the balcony kiss but it was before their final battle that he caved in to kiss her once more.  It isn't for everyone, but it works well enough to explain a bug

[Ser_Lurk]

Yeah, that makes sense. I do wish that our companions have last names or at least a good reason for not having one like Iron Bull. Otherwise it kind of feels like they're at the level of pets or something. Heck, some people give their pets last names.

 

It is good reason in the context of the lore though. Surnames are not important for most commoners. (Which is reflective of the real world, where for much of history in many parts of the world, peasants and commoners did not have surnames.)

 

Origins and DA2 spoilers incoming.

Spoiler

Alistair didn't have a last name until he found out he was a Theirin. Wynne, Leliana, Morrigan, Anders, and Isabela don't have last names, because they are all commoners. Surnames are for "important" people, noble lines or once noble lines, the wealthy or renowned. Aveline has a surname because her family was once Orlesian nobility.

 

The reason that some elves have last names is probably only because bloodlines and marriage are so important to them. Zevran has a last name because it was his Dalish mother's surname (or clan name). The City Elf and Elf Mage Warden have last names because marriage and family are extremely important to city elves.

 

In the context of the Inquisition, those without surnames make sense. Vivienne was born a commoner, and only gained a position in the Orlesian court because she is a mage. Cole is....a spirit (and the person he took the form of was a commoner). Sera is a commoner. The Iron Bull is Qunari. Dorian, Varric, and Cassandra have last names because they come from "important" families or houses.

 

Solas doesn't give a last name for obvious reasons. Actually we don't even know if the ancient elves used surnames or not. We've only met two (Solas and Abelas), both of which are known by a mononym, as are all of the ancient elven gods.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[electricfish]

Ok this is off topic but im having a tough time finding an answer and you guys are pretty smart (not to mention this topic is wicked active) so bear with me here lol So i guess at some point in my pt my world state became null and void if you will, not sure when. I didnt notice until i got back from the Winter Palace and a certian K wasnt there. Loaded my world state again but still no appearance. Am I sol when i get to the cutscene at the end with K and My? Or will K just pop up as if i met them at Skyhold? Hanging on a hope that i might not have to start over. Again. Thank you for any help!

 

I guess the obvious question is, which world state was loaded into the Keep last? If you reupload a world state to DAI, it won't take effect until the next new game you start. So, if you loaded the state in Keep and saw you lacked a Dark ritual, then yes you're kind of SOL.  

On the other hand, it could be a bug and K will show up later as intended. I'd play a bit more, maybe finish a quest or two before going back to Skyhold and looking around for him.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I need closure. ****, I just need more of that beautiful, sensitive, stoic Solas romance.

I'm an addict, I know. I'll stop now.

 

ONE OF US!  ONE OF US!

 

Welcome to the Solas thread.  Have your obligatory kitty hug.

 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[jellobell]

Oooh, I LOVE the Prometheus parallel! Yes, you are quite correct. Thank you!

Let's just pray this doesn't end with vultures and entrails. Should it end in vultures and entrails, then.. we can hope for a REALLY BIG MAGICAL SLEDGEHAMMER that'll allow Lavellan to break those chains and save his sorry ***.

Yeaaah, Prometheus kinda gets the sh*t end of the stick in his myth. No good deed goes unpunished, it seems.

 

Another parallel is that Prometheus is very clever, but he never struck me as incredibly charismatic. That was Hermes's thing. But unlike Hermes, Prometheus was able to trick Zeus, the king of the gods. Lucifer always struck me as all charm, more similar to Dorian in that regard. Solas, on the other hand, is clever but not particularly charming. He's got a grumpy sort of charisma, but he isn't overly invested in making you like him.

 

And despite all of the "I was arrogant in my younger days", I don't think he was any more charming back then. Young!Solas strikes me as passionate, yes. Based on his talks with Blackwall I'd say he was a very passionate soldier and commander. I also think he knew how to play the Game, or whatever the ancient Arlathan equivalent was. But I think he was still the type of person that didn't particularly care if you liked him. And he was probably clever enough that he didn't need people to like him, either. Basically, just a version of Solas that was a lot more sure of himself and less willing to listen to other points of view.

 

Also... someone should totally ask Weekes on Twitter if Solas/Fen'Harel is Milton's Satan or Greek Mythology's Prometheus. WE NEED TO KNOW. So we can buy kleenex in bulk in advance.

Now there's an interesting question.   He might just reply with "Spoilers!" though.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[NightSymphony]

Because I am a romantic sap and this song fits Solas and Lavellan perfectly inside my romanic mind..

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=jjnmICxvoVY

 

"I Knew I Loved You"

By Savage Garden

Maybe it's intuition
But some things you just don't question
Like in your eyes
I see my future in an instant
and there it goes
I think I've found my best friend
I know that it might sound more than
a little crazy but I believe

[chorus:]

I knew I loved you before I met you
I think I dreamed you into life
I knew I loved you before I met you
I have been waiting all my life

There's just no rhyme or reason
only this sense of completion
and in your eyes
I see the missing pieces
I'm searching for
I think I found my way home
I know that it might sound more than
a little crazy but I believe

[repeat chorus]

A thousand angels dance around you
I am complete now that I found you

[ZerebusPrime]

Just noticed a solid gold Fen'Harel statue in Valammar's vault, along with solid gold owls and what I can only qualify as an elven angel.  Look for the empty picture frames in the vault, this being the room that you need two gears to enter.  The statues are in a heap on the floor behind the picture frames.