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[Roxy]

Definitely Solas. Well, if we're looking at Milton's Paradise Lost's depiction of Satan/Lucifer, definitely Solas.
 

Translated into Dragon Age:

Fen'Harel during the age of Arlathan was deeply prideful, albeit powerful and charismatic. Fen'Harel's persuasive powers are evident throughout the lore; not only is he cunning and deceptive, but he is also able to rally the slaves of the Elvenhan Empire to continue in their rebellion despite their agonising defeats against the Dreamer Nobility. He argues that certain members of the Elven Pantheon and Elvenhan Dreamers rule as a tyrants and that all the People ought to rule be able to rule themselves, have free will, and be free from slavery. Though commonly understood to be the antagonizing force in the Fall of Arlathan, Fen'Harel may be best defined as a tragic or Hellenic hero. According to William McCollom, one quality of the classical tragic hero is that he is not perfectly good and that his defeat is caused by a tragic flaw. As Fen'Harel causes both the downfall of the elves  and the eternal damnation of his fellow Elven Gods despite his dedication to his comrades, Fen'Harel is perhaps an ur-example of the trope. In addition, Fen'Harel’s Hellenic qualities, such as his immense courage and perhaps lack of completely defined morals compound on his tragic nature.

 

 

No.

 

 

I don't know why people want to put Solas in the same category as Satan but I'm getting fed up with it. First off Satan is no where merciful,kind, or good as Solas is (even though he is a pixel character). Yes Solas has his flaws but I don't think Satan would help anybody out with a disaster that he made like Solas did.

 

Please stop. Never have I nor do I think our Lavellan is dating the games version of "The Prince of Darkness".   

[Illyria]

I've never read Asunder. Is Cole really that different in the book? I recently got the Stolen Throne and was planning to maybe pick up some of the other books after I finish it.

 

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He's a little different. He doesn't know he's a spirit and thinks he's a ghost who has to kill to stay in this world. People REALLY can't remember him, either.

[TheComfyCat]

It was actual possession. 

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'Larius' is the one that Bianca gives red lyrium location to. She also describes him as being a mage. Larius is also clearly possessed at the end of Legacy, and Coryfish leaves the prision in that body.

 

So he seems to have 2 types of control options. 1) the body hop, which allows him to possess a warden when he's been killed, and 2) the total control he has over all the mage wardens at Adamant. Plus he can influence the minds of wardens.

 

Is his #2 option restricted to mage wardens? And does it require some type of blood magic ritual first, or can he always control them?

[madrar]

Agreed. I'm pretty sure PW says in a tweet that Solas doesn't use blood magic because it disrupts one's connection to the Fade. But that doesn't mean that you can't use it to just brute-force your way in. But doing that is very much opposed to what Dreamers do, which is travel the Fade without damaging the veil.

 

EDIT: And I don't like the idea of a plot twist that the magisters didn't actually make it to the Black City because it just kinda devalues the whole story up to this point. In Origins, the mystery was "did they really do what the chantry says they did?" In DA2, that mystery was sort of answered, but the new mystery was Cory's assertion that the Golden City was empty and black on the inside when they arrived. In Inquisition they sort of leave the questions of the Black City to the side and instead focus more on red lyrium and the elven gods, introducing new mysteries. Going back and contradicting their premise to such a degree, however, wouldn't be very satisfying from a storytelling perspective. They've already complicated the premise with Cory's revelations, as well as the suggestion that the blight predates the assault on the Golden City.

 

Ahhhh.  I see where you're coming from.  I'm willing to wind it back to "it was really, really hard, but possible".  I need to dig up the exact quote from Solas, though- there's probably a hint there in the wording, one way or the other.  

 

If you assume they did reach the fade, there's a second question to be answered in why coming back out spat them into the center of the world.  Or really, how they left at all, once they were in it.  We do it in Here Lies the Abyss, but that's a second rift we pass through, and the assumption here is that Corypheus and co were dealing with 100% massive blood-powered rituals, not rifts to be opened and closed at will.

 

Hmm.  I don't know.  I suppose it's possible, but I still don't like it. 

[BlueElf2]

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He's a little different. He doesn't know he's a spirit and thinks he's a ghost who has to kill to stay in this world. People REALLY can't remember him, either.

Ah, okay. I knew he had a very stabby past just based on his personal dialogue in Inquisition.

[Illyria]

So he seems to have 2 types of control options. 1) the body hop, which allows him to possess a warden when he's been killed, and 2) the total control he has over all the mage wardens at Adamant. Plus he can influence the minds of wardens.

 

Is his #2 option restricted to mage wardens? And does it require some type of blood magic ritual first, or can he always control them?

 

Well, Larius wasn't a mage when Hawke met him, but he was seriously blighted (he'd already gone on his Calling and had been there for years).  However, it's been a couple of years since I last played Legacy, so I can't remember many details.  Coryfish could influence the minds of Wardens (and the tainted dwarves) while he was still sleeping, though.

[Illyria]

Ah, okay. I knew he had a very stabby past just based on his personal dialogue in Inquisition.

 

All of the major events of Asunder are covered in Cole's dialouge.  However, since it's from Cole's POV, it's kind of hard to understand if you haven't read the book.

[dragondreamer]

I've never read Asunder. Is Cole really that different in the book? I recently got the Stolen Throne and was planning to maybe pick up some of the other books after I finish it.

 

He's in a much darker and twisted place in the book.  He doesn't understand what he is yet.  I liked Cole in Asunder, you can see his character grow, and how he's grown further since.  It gives you an idea of what he's risen from, and why Rhys was important to him.

[Avejajed]

No.

 

 

I don't know why people want to put Solas in the same category as Satan but I'm getting fed up with it. First off Satan is no where merciful,kind, or good as Solas is. Yes Solas has his flaws but I don't think Satan would help anybody out with a disaster that he made like Solas did.

 

Please stop. Never have I nor do I think our Lavellan is dating the games version of "The Prince of Darkness".   

 

First of all, I haven't even seen this theory until literally today, so I don't think it's a very widespread theory.

 

Second, she's only comparing him to a literary version of Satan.

 

Third, while you may not agree with this theory I don't think anyone should stop considering the options.

 

I'm going to try and understand that the reason this upsets you is your own personal religion- and I can assure you that nobody is insisting that this is true, nor that you should believe it, and not even that you should like it.

 

All it is is a wild theory thrown out for conjecture.

[_Lucinia]

No.

 

 

I don't know why people want to put Solas in the same category as Satan but I'm getting fed up with it. First off Satan is no where merciful,kind, or good as Solas is. Yes Solas has his flaws but I don't think Satan would help anybody out with a disaster that he made like Solas did.

 

Please stop. Never have I nor do I think our Lavellan is dating the games version of "The Prince of Darkness".   

I didn't think that was what lizasaurus was getting at.  

 

I've seen the comparison thrown around in this thread that the Dalish's depiction of Fen'Harel makes him look like their version of Satan.  I can't speak for liz but I really didn't think she was trying to say Solas is like Satan.  Just comparing how that passage from Paradise Lost, a poem, to things in DA that have to do with Fen'Harel/Solas.

 

My understanding of the conversation that came from was wondering if Patrick Weekes is a fan of Milton, and drawing a comparison of where he could have been inspired, using info from in game.

[panamakira]

Phew~ Too many pages to catch up to. Anyway, this artist's work was featured a few pages back and I found some really cute stuff in his blog.

 

LINK to blog

 

More Solas Artwork below:

 

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[Roxy]

First of all, I haven't even seen this theory until literally today, so I don't think it's a very widespread theory.

 

Second, she's only comparing him to a literary version of Satan.

 

Third, while you may not agree with this theory I don't think anyone should stop considering the options.

 

I'm going to try and understand that the reason this upsets you is your own personal religion- and I can assure you that nobody is insisting that this is true, nor that you should believe it, and not even that you should like it.

 

All it is is a wild theory thrown out for conjecture.

 

First off I did not say " YOU HAVE TO STOP" I said please stop. But if you want to keep on with this ridicluous theory go ahead. I also have a right to put out my opinion as well.

 

Second yeah I am religious and don't take someone comparing Solas to a Fallen angel lightly.

 

Third I don't give a rats a if it's from a book Satan is Satan.

[Eivuwan]

Guys guys, we all know that Solas is actually a panda bear. Yes, that's what he is.

 

[Avejajed]

First off I did not say " YOU HAVE TO STOP" I said please stop. But if you want to keep on with this ridicluous theory go ahead. I also have a right to put out my opinion as well.

 

Second yeah I am religious and don't take someone comparing Solas to a Fallen angel lightly.

 

Third I don't give a rats a if it's from a book Satan is Satan.

 

There's no need to be so defensive.

 

I apologize if I've offended you, but we have a right to whatever "ridiculous" theories we want. This is not a religious debate, it's an internet forum.  I don't think anyone was being disrespectful of your religion.

[Vorathrad]

The Dragon Age universe seems to build its mythology and magical events from a variety of sources; I guess all that lizasaurus and co were trying to do is try to draw a parallel between Solas and Milton's Satan, taking as a starting point what someone (sorry I can't remember who) asked about who would be the Satan like figure in DA if we take the Maker as a reference to the Christian god.

I can see how relating Solas to Satan even in a symbolic way may be unsettling for people with any of the Christian faiths, but perhaps you may feel easier about it if you think of it as an innocent, abstract exercise on intertextuality. I really don't think anyone was disrespectful or offensive towards other people's religion.

PS: I was lurking through the whole doll price affair, please don't fight :'(

[TanisLave]

This thread becomes super argumentative in the beat of one second.

 

All I want to see is cool Solas theories and pretty fan-art :c

[Eivuwan]

This thread becomes super argumentative in the beat of one second.

 

All I want to see is cool Solas theories and pretty fan-art :c

 

Well it doesn't happen often.

[Eivuwan]

The Dragon Age universe seems to build its mythology and magical events from a variety of sources; I guess all that lizasaurus and co were trying to do is try to draw a parallel between Solas and Milton's Satan, taking as a starting point what someone (sorry I can't remember who) asked about who would be the Satan like figure in DA if we take the Maker as a reference to the Christian god.

I can see how relating Solas to Satan even in a symbolic way may be unsettling for people with any of the Christian faiths, but perhaps you may feel easier about it if you think of it as an innocent, abstract exercise on intertextuality. I really don't think anyone was disrespectful or offensive towards other people's religion.

PS: I was lurking through the whole doll price affair, please don't fight :'(

 

Restarts fight about the dolls. JK =P

[TanisLave]

Well it doesn't happen often.

It seems to have been pretty mellow, I'm not sure If It's just because the game has been out longer thus less things to talk about. But people just seem to be reacting to each-other's feelings/opinions in a negative manner, Not that talking about NSFW things is particularly theory-filled. 

[_Lucinia]

I wouldn't call one person being upset about something super argumentative.  I think the proximity to what happened the other day might make it seem like it is.

[Eivuwan]

Clearly we need to change the topic to nsfw stuff. Hmm, Solas' body is so manly. Is it considered a swimmer's body?

[TanisLave]

Clearly we need to change the topic to nsfw stuff. Hmm, Solas' body is so manly. Is it considered a swimmer's body?

 

I..

 

Uh.. Yes, It actually kind of does look like a swimmers body. Also the little hip sway he does when he walks.

 

dangg.

[k_drake]

Same.  I thought the conversation preceding his personal quest was really disturbing.  Solas and I have nice chats about spirits and the Fade, Blackwall tells me animal cruelty anecdotes 

Yeah, if I'd had my druthers, one of the Blackwall dialogue options would have just been like *MURDERKNIFE*

 

And scene.

[Avejajed]

I..

Uh.. Yes, It actually kind of does look like a swimmers body. Also the little hip sway he does when he walks.

dangg.

It's in the shoulders, yo. Yum.

[zambixi]

I..

 

Uh.. Yes, It actually kind of does look like a swimmers body. Also the little hip sway he does when he walks.

 

dangg.

 

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