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[Illyria]

http://thepunchlinei...solas-they-said

I like the comments. The comments have truths.

 

The comments on that comic are nothing but people saying was a racist jerk Solas is...  I think I need some fluffy Solas art after that.

[flabbadence]

This is lovely...except for the part where his hand is stabbing through her stomach in a not so romantic way. LOL

 

I thought his hand dipped much lower than that

[Lady Luminous]

Morning lovelies.

 

Why did I do the Temple of Dirthamen run if no one is going to say anything about it?? C'mon guys, we just put together the dismembered parts of a demon and brought it back to life. Sera, you hate demons! 

 

Grrr.

[Caddius]

Also worth noting that according to the Wiki, the second stage of Malvernis's boss fight is 'Magister', and he's wearing Tevinter DA2 robes and mask, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't really see Solas as racist. Just..um...inexperienced. He doesn't hold anyone in high opinion, not even himself.

[Arlee]

So, out of curiosity to see how popular certain Solas related choices were for fellow Solas lovers and to see everyone's canon, I have compiled a list of questions for you guys. My personal answers are under spoiler tags for space saving If enough people reply with their own feedback I'll tally up the answers to see which choices won the popularity contest.
You can choose your first, canon, or favorite play through if you have multiple Lavellans.

 

This is a great idea
 

1. What is your Lavellan's name?

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Mylini Lavellan

2. What is your Lavellan's class?

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Mage, Knight Enchanter. Still annoyed Solas never commented about it to her though.

3. Which god's vallaslin does your Lavellan use?

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Ghilan'nain, I just liked the design the best but it fit because ima animal lover. Still annoyed about how many wolves I was forced to kill in this game

4. How old is your Lavellan?

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23 - 25, never narrowed it down beyond there

5. Did you intend to romance Solas when you started the game?

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Nope, I originally intended to romance Blackwall. My first PT was a human who fell for Cullen (I had zero intention to romance him at all) but I also really like Solas on my first PT so made a Elf to romance him.

6. What is your Lavellan's relationship with her clan?

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She is close with them, though she doesn't know when/if she'll ever be able to return.

7. What are your Lavellan's religious views?

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Unsure of the whole god/gods thing and if they actually do exist or ever did. Meeting Mythal/Flemeth was interesting though it caused even more questions.

8. Did your Lavellan drink from the Well?

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Nope, she didn't want to bind her will to some "god" she doesn't even know. She was already aware the Dailish had a lot of things wrong so she didn't to put her trust in what her understanding of Mythal was.

9. Did your Lavellan have Solas remove the vallaslin and why/why not?

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Yes, the truth about them was a blow and she recognized Solas was being honest and offering something that mattered. Also she felt like keeping it would have been hiding from the truth in a way.

10. What response did you choose after Solas broke up with you?

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I picked the "why?" option, don't remember the exact words, followed by the we'll find whatever you need option.

11. How is your Lavellan taking Solas being gone and how are you taking it?

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She's sad but recognizes Solas pretty much said goodbye after the fight with Corypheus even though she didn't realize it at the time. She's focusing on taking care the things she needs to atm, but also really misses him.

12. What would you give for a Wolf Hunt DLC?

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All the things.

 

I think there are two things to keep in mind when looking at that bit of text.

 

Firstly- it shouldn't be too surprising that Solas is willing to get his hands dirty in order to right whatever wrong it is that he's done. He gave his orb to Corypheus. We don't know what his end goal is, but whatever it is he's committed to it. But I don't know if I would take 'would kill anyone' to mean that he's going to suddenly flip flop into a one dimensional villain. The text written in developer notes is predominantly shorthand. It doesn't really carry any nuance.

 

I do think Solas has an edge, and its a dangerous edge, but at the same time I don't think he's going to go completely off the deep end.

 

Second point of note- Flemeth/Mythal knew he was coming. That text implies that she's known he was coming for at least a thousand years, and she nurtured Mythal's spark specifically for that purpose. This means whatever goal that he's after, she either agrees with it completely or it coincides with her centuries long vengeance plot.

 

It could be that both of their plans are bad news. But I don't think so. I don't think Flemeth would accept a stereotypical villain plot, not when she had a thousand years to potentially figure out how to get rid of Fen'Harel. Then there's also the fact that Solas was planning to tell the truth to Lavellan...which means his scheming can't be completely insane. Its probably dark. But I don't think it is on the level of master villain. Otherwise telling her would have never been a consideration. 

 

Essentially- I expect more of a Morrigan from Solas than a Meredith. Morrigan was not so sweet in DA:O as far as the things she was willing to do to ensure that the warden succeeded. But ultimately her intentions were good. 

 

This is pretty much my thoughts on it all. I don't think he's a "ends justifies the means" sort at all. He's much more willing to give-up anything or pay any cost himself to accomplish what his goal is, but he would never make that choice for other people. I also believe if he had known about Cory's "Immortality" Solas never would have let him have the orb.

[Kappa Neko]

Solas definitely has a dangerous edge...
I get the feeling we'll get a Catalyst type of ending eventually where we have to figure out who's the world's salvation and who's the devil whispering in our ear. Only one of the key players will be the savior. And I don't think it will be Solas...
I think it will be Morrigan. Or rather, I want it to be Morrigan after all the suspicion she got. But maybe her character is a double bluff. You don't trust her in DAO, then you start thinking she's totally misunderstood (awww, Solas and her can go to group therapy together), but in the end she may have played you the whole time...
At this point I'm completely paranoid Bioware will trick me into supporting the wrong one because I let my disturbing tendency for radical solutions get in the way. Again. I like to think I know better now but I'm not so sure...

I don't think Solas will turn out to be evil (wouldn't be entirely surprised though). But he could get corrupted by somebody who's evil. Trick him with the promise of finally being able to correct his mistake once and for all. It would be a very tempting thing for him I believe. And I do think he is somebody willing to make a huge sacrifice. Not lightly, but he would consider it.
I can picture him doing something truly awful for an ideal, but by this he becomes a villain because he went too far...

But in general it sounds like his plans just go horribly wrong without him intending to make these sacrifices. But we don't know yet how his rebellion went down. Rebellions are always bloody and people involved usually know and accepts it. Change never comes peacefully unfortunately.

[Rabbitonfire]

This is lovely...except for the part where his hand is stabbing through her stomach in a not so romantic way. LOL

Just helping you spill your ovaries. What a helpful guy.  I would go further but I'll just stop there.

[jawsisinmywc]

Well sharing is caring. I have a 3 Lavellan's, but I'll just do a questionnaire for my preferred one.
 

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1. What is your Lavellan's name?

Ithilwen
 

2. What is your Lavellan's class?

Rift Mage

 

3. Which god's vallaslin does your Lavellan use?

Mythal on the forehead.

 

4. How old is your Lavellan?

25, but wise for her age.

 

5. Did you intend to romance Solas when you started the game?

Yes, but it was my second playthrough. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, except that Solas was Fen'Harel. My first playthrough with a Trevelyan found him oh so attractive.

 

6. What is your Lavellan's relationship with her clan?

They didn't know how to take her. She never cared for violence and insisted that they take more peaceful routes when dealing with humans. Their keeper saw something different in her and insisted on her being her first.

 

7. What are your Lavellan's religious views?

She goes through the basic rituals that the Dalish perform, but is skeptical. She wishes that the Dalish weren't so dependent on gods that don't answer and take more responsibility for themselves.

 

8. Did your Lavellan drink from the Well?

No. Abelas mentioned "becoming bound (as they) are bound" which made her wonder why else these ancient elves would stay there just to protect the temple. She really didn't like the idea of becoming beholden to something or someone. Also, since Weekes admitted he slipped up writing dialogue for Solas' warning, I am just going to head canon that he a protested. When he was asked to drink he was very clear about never doing it. She took all that seriously.

 

9. Did your Lavellan have Solas remove the vallaslin and why/why not?

Yes. She doesn't really recognize herself as Dalish anymore and values truth and she trusts Solas to tell her the truth. She hated what it represented. Also, she thinks having an materialistic outer symbol to advertise who one is detracts from who they truly are. Like Solas said "Is Cassandra defined by her cheekbones and not her faith, Varric by his chest hair and not his wit".  She hopes that the Dalish can see her as an example, let go of some of their pride and become something more than nomads that cling to a past they don't even know.

 

10. What response did you choose after Solas broke up with you?

The sad one.
 

11. How is your Lavellan taking Solas being gone and how are you taking it?

She is very hurt. She met someone like her that embodied similar ideals to a greater extent. She knows him as someone that tells the truth, even when people don't want to hear it and she can't understand why he won't give her an explanation. While this weighs heavy on her, she still gets her job done.

 

12. What would you give for a Wolf Hunt DLC?

My left ******!

[Illyria]

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I just saw this theory but there is no way it could be because he says '' I was too weak to unlock it after my slumber '' 

you know.. he slept like thousand years? XD lol so he IS the dread wolf not the vessel and it can be explained also by the facts that he knows so much ancient elvhen and ancient elvhen things.

 

I'm completely on team 'Solas is the actual Dread Wolf'.  Him being the vessel of Fen'Harel's spirit doesn't really make sense to me.  We know anicent elves exist, we know that the gods did actually exist in physical form.  It makes sense that Solas is an ancient elf who was once worshipped as a god.  Plus it explains why he looks different to modern elves.  I actually think Solas being seperate from Fen'Harel takes away from his character a bit.  I love that he's complex and the differences between what we know of Fen'Harel and Solas can't be explained by 'they're seperate entities' but 'he grew up'.

[Shari'El]

Does anyone else suffer from this problem? It can't just be me...

 

 

Can't tell if she loves the game too or if she wants me to put the damn controller down and lavish some of my attention on her instead of Solas

 

I have the same issue, my cat likes sitting on the table in front of the TV while I'm playing.

He then stares at me and waits that I turn on the laser for him >_>

[vierrae]

Friends, I have a question.

Some of you might remember me playing with what Fen'Harel vallaslin would look like. Well, I hate sketches and completed it into a concept of my Lavellan. It's not entirely Solas related, is it ok to post it here? I'm too shy for deviantart, and you all seem to be my own comfort zone 

[Illyria]

Friends, I have a question.

Some of you might remember me playing with what Fen'Harel vallaslin would look like. Well, I hate sketches and completed it into a concept of my Lavellan. It's not entirely Solas related, is it ok to post it here? I'm too shy for deviantart, and you all seem to be my own comfort zone 

 

This is the Solas thread.  Solas is Fen'Harel. Therefore it is very much on topic.  Post away!

[Caddius]

I'm completely on team 'Solas is the actual Dread Wolf'.  Him being the vessel of Fen'Harel's spirit doesn't really make sense to me.  We know anicent elves exist, we know that the gods did actually exist in physical form.  It makes sense that Solas is an ancient elf who was once worshipped as a god.  Plus it explains why he looks different to modern elves.  I actually think Solas being seperate from Fen'Harel takes away from his character a bit.  I love that he's complex and the differences between what we know of Fen'Harel and Solas can't be explained by 'they're seperate entities' but 'he grew up'.

 

I'm completely on team 'Solas is the actual Dread Wolf'.  Him being the vessel of Fen'Harel's spirit doesn't really make sense to me.  We know anicent elves exist, we know that the gods did actually exist in physical form.  It makes sense that Solas is an ancient elf who was once worshipped as a god.  Plus it explains why he looks different to modern elves.  I actually think Solas being seperate from Fen'Harel takes away from his character a bit.  I love that he's complex and the differences between what we know of Fen'Harel and Solas can't be explained by 'they're seperate entities' but 'he grew up'.

Mythal being murdered wouldn't mean as much if the gods were hopping bodies all the time anyway. It was a significant event in that it was a blow against one of the divine authorities, and that it removed seemingly one of the only stabilizing influences on the pantheon. 

Also, I see Solas as being very, very careful with his corporeal form. 

I also love the idea of Fen'harel having actually been that boy in that little village wandering the Fade and eventually adventuring his way into godhood, Baldur's Gate style. 

Though that specific village being his would be strange.  Eight or nine thousand years is usually long enough for a tiny village like that to be just gone. Then why give them decent instructions to find an actual burnt out village, then?

But yeah. Team Solas is actually the Dread Wolf.

[flabbadence]

Re: Solas's ruthlessness

 

I think it really depends on how much he knew about Corypheus, both his plans and his identity, before giving the orb. I think he didn't know about the body-hopping. But did he know Cory was also going to attack the Conclave and the Divine? I'm personally leaning towards yes, because he does show up immediately after it happens, so he must have been somewhere nearby. Now of course, he could have been trying to retrieve the orb even then, but it could also be that he decided to watch first, thinking the Divine's life was worth activating the orb. It was the Breach that was unexpected.

[madrar]

I honestly want to sit you down in a room with a Word program open, and force-feed you all of my own writing notes, and see what you come up with, and then claim that was my intention all along.       

<snip>

 

Not something possible in a post-Blight world, as they were down to four kingdoms, then swiftly two. All separated by distance and darkspawn.

So I guess that gives us a period of about 800 years between Stonehammer and the Paragons and the First Blight's beginning.

Unless Malvernis was part of the first wave of darkspawn. Perhaps the other Magisters devoted themselves to 

Now, is the power behind the Taint Elgar'nan or Papa Sunshine in your theory?

Dwarves as the Stone's immune system does make sense, considering their religious views.

 

LAST FLIGHT SPOILERS:

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Last Flight really did put Blood Magic into perspective. We're still not sure where it comes from. Some claim that the Old Gods taught it to the Neromenian Dreamers, and they created a magically backed theocracy with it. Others, that the Tevinters learned it from interrogating Arlathan elves. Then there are those Codex entries about the Forbidden Ones.
The griffons falling to the hatred plague was upsetting, on a multitude of levels. It's curious how the griffons seem to hate the Taint that much. It's either they're just smart enough to know to hate it, but not 'smart' enough to see the benefits. We've also got conflicting information on the griffons' place of origin. One Codex entry claims Par Vollen jungles as the griffons home, everything else points to the Hunterhorn mountains. Mountains would be more traditional.
The book definitely gave me perspective and newfound respect AND contempt for the Grey Wardens. Namely, why they're so willing to resort to desperate measures, but also why that can backfire horrifically. It's kind of amazing that we ended the Fifth Blight sans griffons. Thank you, Riordan.
It's not clear if it's Blight or Blood Magic that's behind it. And the plot thread that was waved, IN MY FACE, by Merciel was that the First Warden wants them to investigate cases of Wardens acting out of character, as if by blood magic. During Blights, and in between, and times leading up till now.
The Architect has had limited contact with Wardens until recently. After ten years as a punching bag, Corypheus spent a thousand ears in stasis and only broke out the last couple of years.
Are the other Magisters more active than we thought?

 

Whoa, that's a lot to think about.  This is all new to me, and is going to take some processing time.  @w@  

 

As for the Will behind the taint: its physical source is the original Sun, its blood twisted and "sundered" from the Song it originally sung by Elgar'nan, who seeks to use it to restore perfect Order and bend the entire world to his Will.  (Keep in mind that there are a number of plausible theory variations here: including a scenario in which Elgar'nan is not elf like the rest of the Pantheon, but actually Mythal's first dragon offspring with the original Sun, and literal father of the stone-egg Thedas. )

 

Now, whether Elgar'nan is actually in control the Sundered Will of the Sun, or whether he is being used in turn by a very old, very angry (and now very blighted) Sun Dragon God who allows him to think so because he'd like to destroy the world is debatable.  My hunch is that Elgar'nan is to the Sun as Corypheus is to Elgar'nan: a vassal allowed the illusion of free will only so long as it serves to further the other's objectives.  

 

Anyway!  Looks like it's time to hit Amazon again.  *sighs*

[BlueElf2]

I think there are two things to keep in mind when looking at that bit of text.

 

Firstly- it shouldn't be too surprising that Solas is willing to get his hands dirty in order to right whatever wrong it is that he's done. He gave his orb to Corypheus. We don't know what his end goal is, but whatever it is he's committed to it. But I don't know if I would take 'would kill anyone' to mean that he's going to suddenly flip flop into a one dimensional villain. The text written in developer notes is predominantly shorthand. It doesn't really carry any nuance.

 

I do think Solas has an edge, and its a dangerous edge, but at the same time I don't think he's going to go completely off the deep end.

 

Second point of note- Flemeth/Mythal knew he was coming. That text implies that she's known he was coming for at least a thousand years, and she nurtured Mythal's spark specifically for that purpose. This means whatever goal that he's after, she either agrees with it completely or it coincides with her centuries long vengeance plot.

 

It could be that both of their plans are bad news. But I don't think so. I don't think Flemeth would accept a stereotypical villain plot, not when she had a thousand years to potentially figure out how to get rid of Fen'Harel. Then there's also the fact that Solas was planning to tell the truth to Lavellan...which means his scheming can't be completely insane. Its probably dark. But I don't think it is on the level of master villain. Otherwise telling her would have never been a consideration. 

 

Essentially- I expect more of a Morrigan from Solas than a Meredith. Morrigan was not so sweet in DA:O as far as the things she was willing to do to ensure that the warden succeeded. But ultimately her intentions were good.

Also, didn't Patrick Weekes mention in his interview a few weeks ago that Solas was the type to carefully weigh his options and generally preferred to pick less violent/dangerous options for his goals if available? I think he's definitely willing to kill to reach his ultimate goal, but that it's not his go-to method and that if he can use a non-violent/non-deadly method, he will. He also states somewhere in the game (in a banter maybe?) that he gets no joy from killing/fighting, so I think that options like that would be last resorts for him. I actually think he only decided to even go to Flemeth because the orb was no longer a viable option, and he definitely didn't seem happy about taking her power. I could see him doing terrible things to reach his goals if he had to, but I don't see him turning into the insane, laughing villain type. I think he would be extremely unhappy about having to kill people and that it would absolutely weigh on the guilt he already carries, but that he would do it in the hopes that it would somehow, ultimately fix whatever he sees as being broken with the state of the world, no matter how misguided it may be. I don't think his intentions are evil or that he is plotting to go on this giant, destructive rampage (though it could potentially wind up happening regardless of his intentions) because if what he wanted was so terrible, why would he have considered sharing it with Lavellan? I think that his backpedaling at the last minute on telling her the truth had more to do with him fearing she would reject him based on his true identity (since Mr. Weekes stated he got scared at the last minute) than with what his goals are, but I could certainly be wrong.

[zambixi]

I think Solas was a bit motivated by desperation. He could have possibly waited, conserved energy, and used the orb himself at some later date. But I think the shock got to him. He woke up, and everything was wrong. Everything was ruined. He wanted to fix what was wrong, and do it quickly before things got even worse. Depending on what it is his end goal is, there could even be a time sensitive aspect to his mission. [For example- if we say his goal is to free ancient elves trapped in limbo, then expediting his plans limits their suffering.] 

 

As for why Corypheus and not the Architect...it could be that Corypheus was already searching for the orb. Corypheus didn't seem to need a user manual for how to use it, after all. He never seems to question that this magical orb just landed in his lap. So I doubt it appeared in a box one day at his doorstep. I'm guessing that either Corypheus showed up looking for the orb, and Solas recognized him as a powerful magister. Then he left it where he knew it would be discovered, but not rise suspicion. 

 

Or, he just found the first magister that his power could sense out. The Architect is most likely still underground, keeping a low profile. Given how weak Solas is, he might even be completely out of reach. 

 

As for Mythal- I don't think Solas actually knew Mythal still lived until the temple quest. He seems legitimately in awe when he comments that 'Mythal endures.' So to add to his desperation, he probably felt that he was completely alone in having to fix this problem. Rather than, say, just giving Mythal his orb to crack open for him. If it was even in her power to do so. 

 

Right, I don't think he had any idea about Mythal until you get to the temple. I am a bit surprised that he never thought to look there, since presumably her temple hasn't changed locations in the past few centuries. It's probably just the demands of the story - he needs to give the orb to Coryphedope or else we have no DAI - but it's hard for me to see Solas as being particularly hasty.

 

Which makes me think...for those of you that have read TME:

 

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Is the "big thing" coming to Thedas Fen'Harel? Or something that Solas is trying to combat/prevent? The latter could explain why he is so rushed, beyond just having an overwhelming desire to fix things RIGHT THEN

[vierrae]

This is the Solas thread.  Solas is Fen'Harel. Therefore it is very much on topic.  Post away!

You are too kind 

 

So, obviously, she is KE, posing as Queen of Swords tarot card.

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[Illyria]

Mythal being murdered wouldn't mean as much if the gods were hopping bodies all the time anyway. It was a significant event in that it was a blow against one of the divine authorities, and that it removed seemingly one of the only stabilizing influences on the pantheon. 

Also, I see Solas as being very, very careful with his corporeal form. 

I also love the idea of Fen'harel having actually been that boy in that little village wandering the Fade and eventually adventuring his way into godhood, Baldur's Gate style. 

Though that specific village being his would be strange.  Eight or nine thousand years is usually long enough for a tiny village like that to be just gone. Then why give them decent instructions to find an actual burnt out village, then?

But yeah. Team Solas is actually the Dread Wolf.

 

Is it canon that the gods body-hopped all the time, or is that something that came from fans?  My take on it is that Mythal's one and only physical body was killed and her spirit exists by cohabiting with others (don't want to use 'possessing' . 'A soul cannot be forced on the unwilling', after all).  Since the ancient elves were immortal and other races are not, the only way for Mythal to surive is to switch bodies when they wear out.

[jawsisinmywc]

Friends, I have a question.

Some of you might remember me playing with what Fen'Harel vallaslin would look like. Well, I hate sketches and completed it into a concept of my Lavellan. It's not entirely Solas related, is it ok to post it here? I'm too shy for deviantart, and you all seem to be my own comfort zone 

Of course!

[flabbadence]

You are too kind 

 

So, obviously, she is KE, posing as Queen of Swords tarot card.

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!!!! I love it 

[Rabbitonfire]

The comments on that comic are nothing but people saying was a racist jerk Solas is...  I think I need some fluffy Solas art after that.

He is though. Since you romanced him, things about him seem rosy. Like his features overshadow his flaws.

 

If you played as a non-romanced dalish, he's a pretty grumpy guy. It's like... "Back in my day, we lived in floating spires. Now only thing all elves are good at is excelling at poverty and getting facts wrong". He means well and enjoys a critical mind, but its like he looks at you with disappointment until  proven you're an exception of the rule.  Geez, grandpa elvhen. Let me make out with you so you can shut up.

[Mims]

Re: Solas's ruthlessness

 

I think it really depends on how much he knew about Corypheus, both his plans and his identity, before giving the orb. I think he didn't know about the body-hopping. But did he know Cory was also going to attack the Conclave and the Divine? I'm personally leaning towards yes, because he does show up immediately after it happens, so he must have been somewhere nearby. Now of course, he could have been trying to retrieve the orb even then, but it could also be that he decided to watch first, thinking the Divine's life was worth activating the orb. It was the Breach that was unexpected.

 

I believe he is in a tavern near the conclave when it explodes. You see him in Varric's introduction trailer. So he was around the scene before anything happened. The fact that he was chilling at the tavern seems to imply he wasn't rushing to find Corypheus either. So I'd say that he knew at least something of what was going on. He's certainly smart enough to have come to his own conclusion. 

[Mims]

You are too kind 

 

So, obviously, she is KE, posing as Queen of Swords tarot card.

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Wooow, this is fantastic! 

[Lady Luminous]

You are too kind 

 

So, obviously, she is KE, posing as Queen of Swords tarot card.

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Oh that is just beautiful. I would certainly have picked that vallaslin if it was available in game! Well done, you.