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[Lady Luminous]

I really want to get out my Team Optimism flag...but, as I was trying to catch up on the thread, I noticed a few people had mentioned something about maybe Solas having to be locked away for the other gods to come out or maybe he will have to die. This is why he fears dying alone. I don't know why, but this just seems highly possible to me. I keep trying to come up with ways that Gaider and Weekes could make him have a happy story and I just can't come up with anything.

I curse the day Weekes picked up a pen!

Can someone post a happy picture or something to pull me back onto Team Optimism? Better yet, give me some possibilities as to why Solas will live and be happy.

Here, have a puppy kiss. 

 

Spoiler

 

[Arahnea]

Well, from Solas' point of view it's basically like he's living the movie Idiocracy

 

Can't blame him for looking down on everyone !

[Avejajed]

I 100% believe Solas would do whatever he thought necessary to further his goals, including killing any number of members of the inquisition. Including the inquisitor, if not romanced.

[Janic99]

I'm completely on team 'Solas is the actual Dread Wolf'.  Him being the vessel of Fen'Harel's spirit doesn't really make sense to me.  We know anicent elves exist, we know that the gods did actually exist in physical form.  It makes sense that Solas is an ancient elf who was once worshipped as a god.  Plus it explains why he looks different to modern elves.  I actually think Solas being seperate from Fen'Harel takes away from his character a bit.  I love that he's complex and the differences between what we know of Fen'Harel and Solas can't be explained by 'they're seperate entities' but 'he grew up'.

Completely agree with you!!

[flabbadence]

 

I really want to get out my Team Optimism flag...but, as I was trying to catch up on the thread, I noticed a few people had mentioned something about maybe Solas having to be locked away for the other gods to come out or maybe he will have to die. This is why he fears dying alone. I don't know why, but this just seems highly possible to me. I keep trying to come up with ways that Gaider and Weekes could make him have a happy story and I just can't come up with anything.

I curse the day Weekes picked up a pen!

Can someone post a happy picture or something to pull me back onto Team Optimism? Better yet, give me some possibilities as to why Solas will live and be happy.

 

Read this, quick!

 

I was going to say, "But he is racist, he believes ancient elves are better than everyone else". But while I was typing that, I realized that wasn't the case. He does wax poetic about Arlathan, but that doesn't exactly mean he thinks that the people before were better than the people now. Yes, he thinks things could be better now, but he does acknowledge that there were a lot of awful things in the past as well. He even tells Dorian to stop being all dreamy about Arlathan. As to spirits, they aren't better than people either just because they're spirits. All he says is any spirit is just as important and alive as any person.

 

My Team Optimism flag just went way the hell up. I really don't think he's about to go restoring the old pantheon or Arlathan, people.

 

Edit: I really like that gif. Which movie is it from? Amelie! askdofasdifh how could I have forgotten?

[Rabbitonfire]

Well, from Solas' point of view it's basically like he's living the movie Idiocracy

 

Can't blame him for looking down on everyone !

I can just imagine the elvhan version of time machine theme park ride. 

[Ajna]

I really want to get out my Team Optimism flag...but, as I was trying to catch up on the thread, I noticed a few people had mentioned something about maybe Solas having to be locked away for the other gods to come out or maybe he will have to die. This is why he fears dying alone. I don't know why, but this just seems highly possible to me. I keep trying to come up with ways that Gaider and Weekes could make him have a happy story and I just can't come up with anything.

I curse the day Weekes picked up a pen!

Can someone post a happy picture or something to pull me back onto Team Optimism? Better yet, give me some possibilities as to why Solas will live and be happy.

Alli, read my post about this again! If he's locked away and Lavellan (ok any Inquisitor) has the key to release him, imagine the scene when she does! Can you feel that pure joy? Isn't it beautiful? It could end there with the reunion.. *sigh*

[vierrae]

I have a question to ask of you all.

Do you think the Inquisitor told anyone about Mythal?

I always assumed they would just come bursting back into Skyhold all like 'Holy ****balls, you'll never guess who I just met!' and yet the lack of conversation on it makes me wonder. It is more than likely just down to time that it wasn't put in, but it got me thinking. Would my Lavellan so readily tell everyone, most of who are Andrastian, that they just met one of their Gods and she's currently hanging out in the body of Morrigans mother? It annoys me when Sera is all 'you are the Herald of Andraste, you can't believe in your elven gods, blah blah' but then I think, at least she's got the stones to actually be upfront in that opinion. She probably isn't alone in thinking it afterall. 

For my Tristan Lavellan, I just can't imagine it would go down well after his constant talk of not believing, not being the Herald and general anti-chantry views to then turn around and be all 'Hey, you know this tattoo on my face? I just met the God it's for. SHE'S REAL. WHERE IS YOU MAKER NOW!?' 

  Ok, those wouldn't be his exact words. But I can't imagine how the heck he'd slip that into conversation, even with his beloved Dorian or Solas bro. The whole situation is totally batshizz, even by giant ancient magister tearing open the sky standards.

All I can headcannon in that scenario, is that after walking out of the eluvian he went into the tavern and got totally rat-arsed. 

 

 

Also, I've somehow run out of likes and it's only 4pm. Y U DO THIS BSN!? I HAVE MANY POSTS HERE TO LIKE STILL.

In my HC the following succession of events was so quick, Lavellan just had no time to actually share this revelation with her companions, it was all like "Oh, the voices in your head told you about the guardian dragon?", "Yeah, riiiight, that's how it happened"

[Rabbitonfire]

I 100% believe Solas would do whatever he thought necessary to further his goals, including killing any number of members of the inquisition. Including the inquisitor, if not romanced.

Big organizations will rise and fall but Elvhans will last forever

 

...or the saying goes.

[Patchwork]

As my Lavellan drank from the Well I headcanon Flemeth putting a gag order on her with Morrigan being the exception to it. 

 

Going back to did Solas know about Mythal still being kinda alive idea I don't think he did but he might have suspected something because he does go to the Kocori Wilds and visit her hut. Why do that unless he was looking for something? 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[flabbadence]

As my Lavellan drank from the Well I headcanon Flemeth putting a gag order on her with Morrigan being the exception to it. 

 

Going back to did Solas know about Mythal still being kinda alive idea I don't think he did but he might have suspected something because he does go to the Kocori Wilds and visit her hut. Why do that unless he was looking for something? 

 

Ohhhhh right. He does do that.

[Arlee]

I was going to say, "But he is racist, he believes ancient elves are better than everyone else". But while I was typing that, I realized that wasn't the case. He does wax poetic about Arlathan, but that doesn't exactly mean he thinks that the people before were better than the people now. Yes, he thinks things could be better now, but he does acknowledge that there were a lot of awful things in the past as well. He even tells Dorian to stop being all dreamy about Arlathan. As to spirits, they aren't better than people either just because they're spirits. All he says is any spirit is just as important and alive as any person.

 

My Team Optimism flag just went way the hell up. I really don't think he's about to go restoring the old pantheon or Arlathan, people.

 

I think it's more he's just disappointed with the the modern elves... the city ones are basically still slaves (though they are called servants most are not treated well and have no possibility for anything different or to change their circumstances putting them in the same realm as slaves) and the Dailish revere a past they really don't comprehend at all. If we go with the beleif he did whatever to help the elves... well it's no wonder he looks down on them. It's basically "I gave you this great gift and this is what you did with it?!"

 

I really like this idea, as it is devious in a Fen'Harel way... But keep getting stuck on Solas telling you that he never would have believed a Tevinter magister could unlock the orb. So either he's lying directly, or he gave it to Corypheus to do something other than unlock it. But what?

 

My guess is, before it could be unlocked it needed a certain amount of power out into it. He wanted Cory to provide that and likely hoped in the process Cory would be killed. Then Solas was going to come along and open it himself. It's also quite possible Cory forced it and that's what caused the explosion and if Solas had properly opened it, there would have been no explosion.

[Fialka]

He's less 'racist grandpa' and more 'socially awkward nerd who stands in the corner at parties and criticises people too loudly.'

Oh god, yes, this exactly! Even after seeing the YouTube vids of angry!Solas he never came across as racist, nor does he ever seem that way in his banters. It's actions and beliefs he disagrees with and criticizes, never biological race. I don't know. I know my own love of this character might be a source of bias, but most of the posts here on BSN from people who say they hate him apparently didn't bother to look beyond the surface, or just hate him for disagreeing with their character (how dare he!?). Personally, I watched the videos of him ranting and was like, go, Solas, go! Its pretty much exactly what I would hope he'd say to a jerk!quisitor.

[vierrae]

As my Lavellan drank from the Well I headcanon Flemeth putting a gag order on her with Morrigan being the exception to it. 

 

Going back to did Solas know about Mythal still being kinda alive idea I don't think he did but he might have suspected something because he does go to the Kocori Wilds and visit her hut. Why do that unless he was looking for something? 

He visited her hut? When? Have I missed something crucial?

[phaonica]

ok not racism. Prejudice is a better. New dreams form all the time within those thousands of years. If he walked the fade he could see the perspective of the dreamers or recent major events. It's like if you read books on a particular issue, would the books not tilt your opinion on the matter? Or are the perspectives he seen only visible to him because that's what he knows or wants. Something about interesting people find interesting dreams so to see interesting things you must become interesting?

It seems odd to me for him to claim that his dreams in the fade let him see various perspectives (like at Ostagar), and that all those visions are both fabricated and true, that spirits are misunderstood, and yet he will see the Inquisitor of any race (as far as I know) as being being representative of their kind. Is being "thuggish, simple, and crude" all he has ever seen from all the people from all perspectives? Surely, that can't be true.

[flabbadence]

He visited her hut? When? Have I missed something crucial?

 

 

Edit: It could be he just went there to visit the infamous Witch of the Wilds though, not knowing she's actually also Mythal. Maybe she was one of the first people he thought of approaching to help activate his orb. And if Flemeth's gone by the time he visits, then Solas most probably did wake up only after DAO events.

[Lady Luminous]

Oh god, yes, this exactly! Even after seeing the YouTube vids of angry!Solas he never came across as racist, nor does he ever seem that way in his banters. It's actions and beliefs he disagrees with and criticizes, never biological race. I don't know. I know my own love of this character might be a source of bias, but most of the posts here on BSN from people who say they hate him apparently didn't bother to look beyond the surface, or just hate him for disagreeing with their character (how dare he!?). Personally, I watched the videos of him ranting and was like, go, Solas, go! Its pretty much exactly what I would hope he'd say to a jerk!quisitor.

 

I'm really looking forward to playing an inquisitor who Solas hates, just to see that other opposite side of him!

[Siha]

...

What she says.
Well, basically I said the same a few hundred pages ago.
I find it totally out-of-character that Solas, as self-assured and bold as he is, gives away the orb because he is "too weak". If I found myself too weak to do something (especially if I have done it before), I would not turn to somebody else, I would find a way to gain that strength (he has the time, after all, there is no urgent threat at hand). Pride usually keeps people from looking for help, let alone from giving immense power away and into suspicious hands. Also I do not buy that "He thought Cory would die in the act" theory. What is this theory based on anyway? It's just... it seems to odd. I don't give a loaded gun to someone with killing on his mind, simply because I hope he might shoot himself trying to figure out how to use it. It's just such a dangerous game to play. A wise and thoughtful character would not do that, I think.

I'm completely on team 'Solas is the actual Dread Wolf'.  Him being the vessel of Fen'Harel's spirit doesn't really make sense to me.  We know anicent elves exist, we know that the gods did actually exist in physical form.  It makes sense that Solas is an ancient elf who was once worshipped as a god.  Plus it explains why he looks different to modern elves.  I actually think Solas being seperate from Fen'Harel takes away from his character a bit.  I love that he's complex and the differences between what we know of Fen'Harel and Solas can't be explained by 'they're seperate entities' but 'he grew up'.

Why exactly does it not make sense that he might be just the vessel?
And how does he look different from modern elves?
Don't get me wrong, I do not mean to attack. In fact, I have no opinion on this matter anymore, he could or could not be the "original body of Fen'harel". I just do not see how one of both makes "no sense", when I see no argument fully refuting one of both theories.
And he looks like an elf to me, so I'm really curious.

[Fialka]

He visited her hut? When? Have I missed something crucial?

In one of his Fade exploration stories, he mentions visiting a hut... I don't recall the exact wording, but I think he says something about it being empty, untouched, and avoided by those living near it. I know I heard it and went 'of course that's Flemeth's hut.' Hmm. It is possible he didn't realize what it was, if he was reading the memories of someone who didn't.

[DraconisWolf]

Completely agree with you!!

I agree aswell. I mean why would he even search for a vessel? He was not dead-dead, he was mostly dead. Seems like the uthenera preserves the body aswell, instead of rotting away. Maybe it's a more complicated process.

[Avejajed]

In one of his Fade exploration stories, he mentions visiting a hut... I don't recall the exact wording, but I think he says something about it being empty, untouched, and avoided by those living near it. I know I heard it and went 'of course that's Flemeth's hut.' Hmm. It is possible he didn't realize what it was, if he was reading the memories of someone who didn't.

He knew. Just listening to it, he knew. For sure. I think he was looking for her.

[Patchwork]

 

 

Edit: It could be he just went there to visit the infamous Witch of the Wilds though, not knowing she's actually also Mythal. Maybe she was one of the first people he thought of approaching to help activate his orb. And if Flemeth's gone by the time he visits, then Solas most probably did wake up only after DAO events.

 

Maybe he was hoping the Witch of the Wilds would be able to unlock the orb?

 

I have a hard time imagining that darkspawn magister was his first choice. 

[flabbadence]

What she says.
Well, basically I said the same a few hundred pages ago.
I find it totally out-of-character that Solas, as self-assured and bold as he is, gives away the orb because he is "too weak". If I found myself too weak to do something (especially if I have done it before), I would not turn to somebody else, I would find a way to gain that strength (he has the time, after all, there is no urgent threat at hand). Pride usually keeps people from looking for help, let alone from giving immense power away and into suspicious hands. Also I do not buy that "He thought Cory would die in the act" theory. What is this theory based on anyway? It's just... it seems to odd. I don't give a loaded gun to someone with killing on his mind, simply because I hope he might shoot himself trying to figure out how to use it. It's just such a dangerous game to play. A wise and thoughtful character would not do that, I think.

 

You're assuming he has time though. I'm assuming, however, that he did not, which is why he made such a stupid decision. These are all of course assumptions however, so we'll see how it plays out in-game when the next installment comes out.

[BoscoBread]

In one of his Fade exploration stories, he mentions visiting a hut... I don't recall the exact wording, but I think he says something about it being empty, untouched, and avoided by those living near it. I know I heard it and went 'of course that's Flemeth's hut.' Hmm. It is possible he didn't realize what it was, if he was reading the memories of someone who didn't.

I am pretty sure that was Flemeth's hut - he specifically mentions that it was in the Kocari wilds and that the world feared her return.  As they shoud...because she's kinda crazy.