Alli, read my post about this again! If he's locked away and Lavellan (ok any Inquisitor) has the key to release him, imagine the scene when she does! Can you feel that pure joy? Isn't it beautiful? It could end there with the reunion.. *sigh*
Oh Ajna, you made me all warm and fuzzy again!
*Imagines all the happy possibilites*
He knew. Just listening to it, he knew. For sure. I think he was looking for her.
I think many of Solas' criticisms are heavily colored by the disappointment he feels, both in the world and in himself. It is far easier to be negative about others when you are angry at yourself for your own poor decisions. I suspect that, if he survives what ever he is planning to do and things work out, that his viewpoint will also be colored by that success. Coloring the world through your own success or failure is a very "human" or in this case "Elvhen" thing to do.
AND, back to crackpot theories - I'm sure someone has said this somewhere in this monster of a thread I can't keep up with but:
Fact: Solas' orb allows interaction with and physical entry into the fade
Supposition: the Black City may be Arlathan or a facsimile thereof. The Elvhen pantheon, with or without a number of ancient elves may be imprisoned and sleeping in the Black City/ Arlathan. Since none are awake there is no one to sit upon the throne. From the evidence we have, Fen'Harel's power even before the fall of Arlathan was even more heavily tied to the realm of spirits than others in his pantheon so it would make sense for him to use that to imprison the other gods in a place where he had power.
Could Solas' plan be to enter the fade and return Arlathan to the physical realm of Thedas? Would this action have an effect on the contamination of lyrium? I'm going with the assumption that red lyrium/blight/darkspawn are all consequences of a viral infection as supported by evidence that lyrium is likely alive and that dragons can wall of blight infection within their own bodies.
Yes, 'prejudice' is a better word. Solas just strikes me as being a complete shut in who never really interacts with the world (because of the whole 'being asleep' thing). He knows the world has changed but he's not ever really experienced this change. And he spends all his time hanging out with uncomplex spirits. He's less 'racist grandpa' and more 'socially awkward nerd who stands in the corner at parties and criticises people too loudly.'
And I hope nothing I said to you came off as rude.
Don't see it as rude but simply a correction of a overused term. Seems too clever to just be socially awkward but that doesn't mean anything since Morrigan was just as snarky but reason being it was a defense mechanism. I still like viewing him as weary old guy though. It's funny that way.
@Fialka: The same can be said with any character. Sera is a brat that hates anything magic and anything elfy. She appears anti-intellectual and incredible short-sighted. But it's not a hate but a fear. She viewed Cole as a demon but gradually he seems less scary over time. Eventually she accepts him. Elves probably gave her a hard time for not knowing the norms due to being raised by humans. Vivienne is materialist, cold, and has a motive to use the inquisition. Eventually you learn she's maternal. She advises you in what she knows best and it isn't that she's against freedom, she knows that sudden change wouldn't change the cultural stigma of Southern Thedas. That's a gradual process.
edit: the above was a response to seeing only the surface traits.
I don't know. Killing the mages in his personal quest is the only option for him (and there would not have been a ton of non-violant alternatives to punish them). He also still thinks so back in Skyhold. No "you were right to stop me, killing is the wrong way". Also, he approves (not only slightly) of some executions for Sit in Judgement (I did not try all, I only did this once or twice, so I have no empiric evidence on all of his reactions).Also, didn't Patrick Weekes mention in his interview a few weeks ago that Solas was the type to carefully weigh his options and generally preferred to pick less violent/dangerous options for his goals if available? [...] that if he can use a non-violent/non-deadly method, he will. He also states somewhere in the game (in a banter maybe?) that he gets no joy from killing/fighting, so I think that options like that would be last resorts for him.
It seems odd to me for him to claim that his dreams in the fade let him see various perspectives (like at Ostagar), and that all those visions are both fabricated and true, that spirits are misunderstood, and yet he will see the Inquisitor of any race (as far as I know) as being being representative of their kind. Is being "thuggish, simple, and crude" all he has ever seen from all the people from all perspectives? Surely, that can't be true.
Those words are said in anger though, with a desire to hurt
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That was honestly my biggest problem with Solas. With every Inquisitor, he's like, "You're not like the others (of your kind)! You're special!" and I kinda wanted to kick him in the nuts. I think it's honestly one of the more racist/sexist things to say to someone, to say they're somehow better than others like them. To lump everyone into one category and then elevate a single person to higher status, it's like... no. Just don't.
I can't promise you it won't have heartbreak, but I think your use of an Amelie GIF perfect sums up how I WANT this story to go. Amelie's life is full of loss, attempts to connect to others, heal the hole in her heart, and help others - some of those backfire. She fails a lot. She doesn't always get what she wants. We feel deeply for her and want her to succeed because if she can, we can. It's not until the end of the narrative, right at the climax of the story, when her glass heart is about to shatter once and forever... that the beads behind her move. That she hears that she doesn't have to be alone. That her efforts to connect to the person she's loved from afar but never been able to reach FINALLY collide with her present.
HAVE HOPE. And pray that Weekes has seen Amelie.
EDIT: Now I'm gonna have to boot that up and watch it... Thank you. I love that film. Romantics Anonymous is also fantastic and has similar themes.
EDIT EDIT: Seriously. Here's how it's going to go in GIFs:
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Oh man I totally hadn't thought about how the rest of that movie went! Thanks for reminding me! 
The scene where she opens her door and he is standing there and she doesn't let him say word always gets my feelings organ(my brain) all tingly. Then some sort of liquid starts coming out of my eyes. Why would liquid come out of my eyes when I'm happy? What is this sorcery?
Please Weekes, instead of looping Hallelujah when you write Solas in the Wolf Hunt DLC or DA4 just play Amelie instead!
Hmm... I'll have to re-listen to it when I'm not on my phone. That is interesting. Why exactly do people assume he thought her dead? I never got that impression, but then I might have missed something.
It's been a while but when you visit the temple of Mythal, Solas says something along the lines of "So she endured".
*snip*
Edit: It could be he just went there to visit the infamous Witch of the Wilds though, not knowing she's actually also Mythal. Maybe she was one of the first people he thought of approaching to help activate his orb. And if Flemeth's gone by the time he visits, then Solas most probably did wake up only after DAO events.
Oh my days. When Solas told me about that I didn't even think about the whole Mythal thing. I was just like "aww he's talking about Flemeth's hut"
Ah! I think my likes have magically come back! Why did it tell me my quota was full!? Nevermind. LIKE ALL THE THINGS.
Hmm... I'll have to re-listen to it when I'm not on my phone. That is interesting. Why exactly do people assume he thought her dead? I never got that impression, but then I might have missed something.
For me it because of his relief/awestruck tone when he says "Mythal endures" while in her temple. I assume that the Creator temples are dark like Dirthamen. There's an abandoned feel to them that Mythal's lacks.
Also I do not buy that "He thought Cory would die in the act" theory. What is this theory based on anyway? It's just... it seems to odd. I don't give a loaded gun to someone with killing on his mind, simply because I hope he might shoot himself trying to figure out how to use it. It's just such a dangerous game to play. A wise and thoughtful character would not do that, I think.
For me it's because he expressed more than once his surprise at Cory surviving. He specifically says at Haven he can't imagine how anyone could have survived the blast, and this before we know Cory is a thing. He also references later that he doesn't understand how he survived, which gives the impression Solas expected Cory to die. It's also built on the fact I can't see Solas handing over such a powerful artifact to Cory unless he thought it would accomplish his goal and takeout the big evil want to be god who is trying to subjugate people. Literally everything Cory wants goes directly against everything Solas supports. Also based on the last scene with Flemeth I highly doubt Solas wasn't tricked into giving him the orb either.
I never thought Solas to be racist or prejudice. He just says it like it is. He's been around for thousands of years, he's seen the rise and fall of so many races and cultures. It never even crossed my mind until I came in here.
That was honestly my biggest problem with Solas. With every Inquisitor, he's like, "You're not like the others (of your kind)! You're special!" and I kinda wanted to kick him in the nuts. I think it's honestly one of the more racist/sexist things to say to someone, to say they're somehow better than others like them. To lump everyone into one category and then elevate a single person to higher status, it's like... no. Just don't.
"You're not like other girls!"
I don't know. Killing the mages in his personal quest is the only option for him (and there would not have been a ton of non-violant alternatives to punish them). He also still thinks so back in Skyhold. No "you were right to stop me, killing is the wrong way". Also, he approves (not only slightly) of some executions for Sit in Judgement (I did not try all, I only did this once or twice, so I have no empiric evidence on all of his reactions).
I do not think "avoid killing whenever possible" is really true regarding Solas.
This. Patrick Weekes says in the Nerd Appropriate interview that Solas will approve of ruthlessness if it appears to be the best solution. He doesn't mind violence as an answer so long as that answer is born from a thoughtful approach to the situation and not kneejerk KILL EVERYBODY reactions.
I don't know. Killing the mages in his personal quest is the only option for him (and there would not have been a ton of non-violant alternatives to punish them). He also still thinks so back in Skyhold. No "you were right to stop me, killing is the wrong way". Also, he approves (not only slightly) of some executions for Sit in Judgement (I did not try all, I only did this once or twice, so I have no empiric evidence on all of his reactions).
I do not think "avoid killing whenever possible" is really true regarding Solas.
It's more like "avoid killing people when there are better options available". He approves of executing Erimond because the guy is a bastard with nothing redeeming about him and he deserves to die for what he did. He disapproves of killing Alexius because he is much more useful as a researcher and, given his reasons for following Cory, is not likely to betray you on his behalf. He is very approving of an Inquisitor who manages to completely avoid bloodshed in Wicked Eyes through skillful political maneuvering.
As for killing the mages, he has a very interesting banter with Bull where (iirc) he says that killing should only be done when necessary or when it's personal. Killing the mages falls into the latter category. They tortured and killed his friend, an innocent. The spirit of wisdom deserved retribution. Of course, they had no idea what they were doing, but in the heat of the moment, mitigating factors didn't really register. If he was truly committed to killing them, then I don't think the Inquisitor could've stopped him. But he also really really wanted to kill them, thus the disapproval.
Guys, I have a question about Solas' romance. It should be like all the other LIs where you can just go up to them and kiss them whenever, right?
Like I've gotten both kisses and the dance, but when I go up to him all it says is Tell me about Corypheus or Goodbye.
I've done almsot everything except for Emprise du Lion and The Temple of Mythal. Am I bugged?
Guys, I have a question about Solas' romance. It should be like all the other LIs where you can just go up to them and kiss them whenever, right?
Like I've gotten both kisses and the dance, but when I go up to him all it says is Tell me about Corypheus or Goodbye.
I've done almsot everything except for Emprise du Lion and The Temple of Mythal. Am I bugged?
Nope. You can't go to him for some snogging. Sorry. 
That was honestly my biggest problem with Solas. With every Inquisitor, he's like, "You're not like the others (of your kind)! You're special!" and I kinda wanted to kick him in the nuts. I think it's honestly one of the more racist/sexist things to say to someone, to say they're somehow better than others like them. To lump everyone into one category and then elevate a single person to higher status, it's like... no. Just don't.
Of course he goes on to say "most people act with so little understanding or thought"... so yea while the first part is kind of meh, I think it's more that he looks down at everyone in general because most of what he sees are people blindly following x and just doing things without thinking through what they are doing. I think a lot of his conversations with Cassandra really highlight this aspect of his personality very well, especially because by the end of the game he holds her in very high regard.
It's been a while but when you visit the temple of Mythal, Solas says something along the lines of "So she endured".
Something like "So Mythal Endures" I always interpret his tone as relief/happiness. Also, even if he had talked to Flemeth previously, there's nothing saying she would have revealed the Mythal part of herself then.
My guess is, before it could be unlocked it needed a certain amount of power out into it. He wanted Cory to provide that and likely hoped in the process Cory would be killed. Then Solas was going to come along and open it himself. It's also quite possible Cory forced it and that's what caused the explosion and if Solas had properly opened it, there would have been no explosion.
Hmm. Maybe. I could see that.
Guys, I have a question about Solas' romance. It should be like all the other LIs where you can just go up to them and kiss them whenever, right?
Like I've gotten both kisses and the dance, but when I go up to him all it says is Tell me about Corypheus or Goodbye.
I've done almsot everything except for Emprise du Lion and The Temple of Mythal. Am I bugged?
Nope. You get a few flirt options after the balcony scene but other than that it's the 3 kisses and that's it.
Don't see it as rude but simply a correction of a overused term. Seems too clever to just be socially awkward but that doesn't mean anything since Morrigan was just as snarky but reason being it was a defense mechanism. I still like viewing him as weary old guy though. It's funny that way.
@Fialka: The same can be said with any character. Sera is a brat that hates anything magic and anything elfy. She appears anti-intellectual and incredible short-sighted. But it's not a hate but a fear. She viewed Cole as a demon but gradually he seems less scary over time. Eventually she accepts him. Elves probably gave her a hard time for not knowing the norms due to being raised by humans. Vivienne is materialist, cold, and has a motive to use the inquisition. Eventually you learn she's maternal. She advises you in what she knows best and it isn't that she's against freedom, she knows that sudden change wouldn't change the cultural stigma of Southern Thedas. That's a gradual process.
All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
For me it because of his relief/awestruck tone when he says "Mythal endures" while in her temple. I assume that the Creator temples are dark like Dirthamen. There's an abandoned feel to them that Mythal's lacks.
I liked the puzzle. The puzzle was fun. I need more elven puzzles. No idea why there were bodies surrounding the tomb grave. Wasn't properly ceremonialized in urns either. Also as stated by Gaider, wolf statues are always guarding some type of settlement but There were two wolf statues facing towards the tomb grave.
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