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*snip*

Second, Solas killing the mages has nothing to do with that train scenario. There was no need to kill, however one defines "need", it was pure bloodlust. There would have been a thousand ways to make them pay. There were no negative consequences to letting them live, no people to be saved, no orphans to be rescued. And the "balance of order and chaos" was never threatened by those few ignorant mages.

*snip*

Forth, just because I am halfway through to hell already anyway :-), about the train: who is the one person and who are the 5? Is the one person the one who will change history, the one with very important knowledge, the one Mother Teresa? And the 5 are a group of notoric drunks who like to beat up gays? Are the 5 a group of human rights activists while the one is the leader of a KKK group? What I am trying to say is that this question is meant to cheaply provoke thought, but it does not really give much away in terms of testing your character. Would I let 5 or 10 or 15 people die for a single person? "It depends." Yes, if the one seems "worth more". If I know the one and think very highly of him/her and I do not know the others, would I save the one? Probably. Because I can assess what good s/he can do while the others could be a bunch of bad apples.
Now, what am I? Good or bad? I cannot tell.

Yes, the train scenario is very different from what Solas did, I agree. In one scenario somebody will die for sure, in the other nobody has to die.

 

I hope that if I ever am in such a situation I will choose to save as many innocent lives as I can. It's objectively the best choice if those people are regular people. I probably would save the person I love unfortunately, but it's not right to me to put greater value on a friend than a stranger. So I would feel guilty for the rest of my life. The person I saved too probably.

Logically, I would even have to save an orangutan instead of a thousand people because they are going extinct. But I wouldn't do that either. So I'd make a really bad leader. I do not want to make hard choices. I feel like crying when I step on a snail. As the inquisitor I'd be rocking in a corner somewhere after five minutes or pass out after the first drop of spilled blood. (I get dizzy when I cut my finger!)

 

Things get really muddy when we ask if those are "good" people on the tracks... I would not regret letting a group of rapists die for my friend. But technically, a life is a life. When it comes to actual premeditated murder, I am foolishly dead set against it. No matter how awful a person we're talking about. I find the death penalty barbaric. I felt bad for Saddam when they hanged him in that moment. For real. He deserved it but that doesn't make it right in my head. Socially accepted murder makes my skin crawl. But I know I have... issues when it comes to death in general.

 

 



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These two ideas are connected, actually.  This is only theory of course, but Mythal can only take on a physical form if the being is a willing host.  Once Dumat was freed, Solas-as-Falon'Din entered the dreams of the mortal woman Andraste and convinced her to do so.  She accepted, at which point Andraste-Mythal and Solas-Shartan tore into the Tevinter Imperium until the sheer mass of the slave rebellion meant social Chaos was a more direct threat to Balance than Order.  

 

At this point, Solas-as-Falon'Din enters Maforath's dreams, twisting and compelling him into betraying Mythal-Andraste at the precise point when Tevinter is willing to grant the largest concessions, the most land, that would still be stable and governable by rebellion forces.  

 

So much blood, so much death and betrayal.  But all for the greater good, yes?  

 

For balance, because balance preserves Choice.  And Choice is the only thing that matters.

I love your theories, even though they are far-fetched. Unfortunatelly, I am not intelligent enough to comprehend some parts. You need to draw something like a diagram or a chart, maybe? I'm all about visuals  :D

 

 

It also explains why Sandal would be hearing Mythal. There's another elf slave that talks about Mythal coming into his dreams- it seems like she's been communicating with select people. Although to what ends, who knows. 

maybe she reaches out for all people with elven blood in their veins.

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#54078
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I can never keep up with this thread. /slow tear

 

Gosh, I wonder If we'll make 3k pages by the end of Jan.  :ph34r:



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I can never keep up with this thread. /slow tear

 

Gosh, I wonder If we'll make 3k pages by the end of Jan.  :ph34r:

 I feel you! I keep trying to catch up, but it seems when I think I've gotten all caught up, there are 2 more pages to read. :lol: I guess that's a good thing though! All the Solas love! <3



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On a more lighthearted note about whether Solas is a good guy or a bad guy:

 

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Screenshot of mine. I had to smirk when I had a look at it later. That's gotta be about the only decent outfit he has. I really like the gloves...


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In regards to the mages the real victim is the spirit which I bet many people have trouble seeing as a person. Brainwashing a person and turning them against every belief, forcing a change in their identity, and physical being is so far beyond what any human could ever experience. Yes the mages did it out of ignorance not understanding exactly what spirits are but they violated a sentient being on such a perverse level. If I was witness to something similar happening to a person be it a friend, a loved one or a stranger I would have a hard time letting them live as well.


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Guys? How the **** did you all end up rock bottom AGAIN? In the time it took me to leave work, get home and eat, the thread has sunk to despair again... who do I have to kneecap? *cracks knuckles*


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#54083
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Our glorious egg

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http://bloodrawen.tu...ed-yet-but-yeah


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maybe she reaches out for all people with elven blood in their veins.

 

Shouldn't that mean Alistair would hear her too? I wonder if the taint prevents/hinders it. 



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I love how when you do the pranks with Sera quest, it is Solas that catches you. From three stories down. Like he has learned to be super vigilant to Sera shenanigans. 


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For those who want graphics to help.

 

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Maybe she's just speaking to elven dreamers?



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Guys? How the **** did you all end up rock bottom AGAIN? In the time it took me to leave work, get home and eat, the thread has sunk to despair again... who do I have to kneecap? *cracks knuckles*

What? We didn't sink into despair. Just some... philosophical discussion  :lol:



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Shouldn't that mean Alistair would hear her too? I wonder if the taint prevents/hinders it. 

I bet, the taint is "louder" and nullifies elven blood thingie

 

 

For those who want graphics to help.

 

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Infinite likes!!
 

Maybe she's just speaking to elven dreamers?

Still waiting for Feynriel to show up at some point in the franchise. He absolutely has to.


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#54090
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Guys? How the **** did you all end up rock bottom AGAIN? In the time it took me to leave work, get home and eat, the thread has sunk to despair again... who do I have to kneecap? *cracks knuckles*

 

It wasn't me this time!


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Not that I'm bitter or anything (ha!) but we'd have a better chance at getting a happy ending if Solas was Solina and only romanceable by male pcs. 


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What? We didn't sink into despair. Just some... philosophical discussion  :lol:

 

Oh THAT! Ok, I see people crying and wonder whats happened, I suppose I should be used to it by now...



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Maybe she's just speaking to elven dreamers?

Didn't Keeper Marethari say that elvehn dreamers are so rare that they havent been seen for centuries until Faesomething half-blood kid from DA2 him being the first?



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Not directly Solas relevant, but I saw Karin Weekes mention that BioWare is going to PAX South, but can't find any info on PAX website. Is it possible that maybe they release some info about future DLCs? Anyone know anything?



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I was wondering if anyone has considered if Solas' plan involves time travel , going back, warping time, erasing it? They just introduced the concept of magic that can affect the flow of time in the mages quest, but it could be a possibility. Maybe do a little back to the future? If he truly is immortal he probably does not perceive time as mortals do. It's probably not the case , but I would like if they continued to explore the time manipulation concept if not with Solas' storyline , than use it for something else. A DLC that futures heavy time travel would be great. If we can see past events , places that would not be accessible otherwise. Maybe we could even visit Arlathan? Time travel /warping could have many utilities even if the magic, as Dorian explained , is quite unstable and could tear down time. Maybe there is way to make it more safe.The possibilities could be endless...



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For those who want graphics to help.

 

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This is truly beautiful. 


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Not that I'm bitter or anything (ha!) but we'd have a better chance at getting a happy ending if Solas was Solina and only romanceable by male pcs. 

 

You know... I was just thinking that. -_-


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Dat armor.  ^_^


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It wasn't me this time!

 

These days I just rely on you to stop the downward spiral scint :D


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