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[Arlee]

I headcanon'd it a bit to mean more like "and which temple is this?" rather than literally "what's a Mythal?" Surely there would be more than one temple for each of the elven gods, and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that some temples had a slightly different purpose than others. This particular temple was all about dat justice, while another Temple of Mythal could act more like a hospital or guidance counselor because of Mythal's motherly/comfort persona as well.

 

See the tone with which she asked that makes it hard for me to interpret it that way, plus the phrasing is bad for that meaning. I seriously expected Solas to interject and be like "Seriously?!"

[Avejajed]

So it's 4:15 p.m. and I'm scheduled to leave this joint (work) at 5 p.m. and I am just bored enough that I'm pre-planning what I'm going to do tonight in-game.

 

Edit: I missed the last several posts ahead of this one while I was typing this up so I apologize if this comes off flippant or dismissive.

 

I have no personal experience so I hope this doesn't come off false, but I'm very sorry, Dragon.

[aphelion4]

*asks who Mythal is while wearing Mythal's vallaslin* ??????

[Zarro-Morningstar]

This hurts me so good, lol! FOR SOLAVELLAN!!!

[electricfish]

Yep. Unfortunately we can't do much about the tone since the voice actors had to be racially neutral. This was a human game first and multi-race later. Lavellan comes across as the worst First to the Keeper ever, or grossly ignorant of their stories if a non-mage because the tone is a little too geared toward other races not knowing much about elven culture.

 

Re, DragonRacer. I feel like Flemeth has been channeling through you. While sad, your situation is pretty much a perfect example of her quote. Is it fate or chance that the Elvhen empire crumbled? Fate or chance that Lavellan has elf god power in her hand? *shakes fist* Weeeeekes! Flemeeeeeeth!

[DrTeatime]

Oh god, I thought Solas' twitchy arm was bad but Flemeth actually made me laugh. I mean, Bioware really did some gorgeous work with the animation in this game but it was really not meant to be looked at from new angles.

[Avejajed]

I don't know if it's my age or what but I can no longer take My Heart Will Go On seriously outside of Titanic.

[Avejajed]

Oh god, I thought Solas' twitchy arm was bad but Flemeth actually made me laugh. I mean, Bioware really did some gorgeous work with the animation in this game but it was really not meant to be looked at from new angles.

 

He really gets up on those toes in the end there, doesn't he. lol.

[AzureNika]

*asks who Mythal is while wearing Mythal's vallaslin* ??????

It's a miracle they know how to put their clothes on properly. 

[Mims]

Oh god, I thought Solas' twitchy arm was bad but Flemeth actually made me laugh. I mean, Bioware really did some gorgeous work with the animation in this game but it was really not meant to be looked at from new angles.

Spoiler

 

It was nice of Fen'Harel to save us from Robot Flemeth. 

[Ajna]

 

This whole thing is raising some interesting questions, honestly.

 

Such as the train scenario giving you an illusion of control. Really, you have no control in it. Somebody WILL die. The train will have to run over either one person or multiple people. Now, clearly, nobody here would WANT that train to run over anybody. Instead, now we're presented with a choice - one that's not really a choice, but maybe it makes you feel like you have some control of the outcome. And in that choice, you either step back, make no decision, and allow somebody to die (at random)... or you actively choose who gets to die and who gets to live. Playing God, as if you are the one true arbiter of morality.

 

Sort of fascinating, I suppose. Is it more moral to make a choice (potentially selfishly or potentially unselfishly) or more moral to make no choice at all and let what happens happen?

 

"Is it fate or chance? I can never decide," as Flemeth says in DA2.

 

There are arguments for both paths, I suppose. We want to feel active, in control. Feel like we've exhausted all opportunities, done everything we could. But ARE we really in control, in instances like that? Or is it just the illusion of control?

 

Not to dredge up something grossly personal from my life, but I feel like the internal conflict may add to the philosophical discussion. My mother chose to end her life. Three years ago as of this coming Monday, actually (hard to believe the anniversary is so close again). Sadly, she had a pattern of depression and making vocal threats about such. I had always been able to talk her down. Always, my whole life. Then came a night of a big blow-up fight. After the fight, she tried to call back. For the first time, I was inactive (I let the call go to voicemail purposely). In all honesty, I was exhausted. There were years of mental and emotional turmoil and exhaustion that led to the point of a decision. An active decision to remain inactive for once.

 

The next morning, I received a call from my Dad informing me she'd ended her life that night.

 

If I'd answered my phone, might I have been able to talk her down again? Possibly. Would it have saved her that night? Possibly. Or was it just prolonging the inevitable, that this was something she was eventually going to do anyway regardless of what control I did or did not think I had over the situation? Also possibly. Now, in the end, obviously the action was not mine. I didn't pull the trigger and kill her. But did my inaction contribute to the end result? I don't know. 

 

After three years, I still don't know if the choice to not act was the right one or the wrong one to make at the time. Or if making a different choice would have ultimately affected the outcome at all anyway.

 

Do we choose to always act for what we think is best? Or do we choose to stay out of the conflict and observe what happens? Do we really have any control over certain events? Or is it just an illusion of control? Do you choose which track the train travels down? Or do you stand back and let it go where it may... and if you choose that, is there or is there not still some burden of guilt on you for choosing inaction over action?

 

"Is it fate or chance? I can never decide."

 

 

[AzureNika]

Yep. Unfortunately we can't do much about the tone since the voice actors had to be racially neutral. This was a human game first and multi-race later. Lavellan comes across as the worst First to the Keeper ever, or grossly ignorant of their stories if a non-mage because the tone is a little too geared toward other races not knowing much about elven culture.

 

They could have gone for something more neutral, instead of "which is?" they could used " go on"  or something.

[RynJ]

Wasn't it confirmed that the Dalish Inquisitor's ignorance during the Temple of Mythal quest was a bug?

 

Also, that Flemeth and Solas video made me laugh so hard my stomach hurts! We now know the truth. THE ELVEN GODS ARE ROBOTS!!!!!

[TanisLave]

He really gets up on those toes in the end there, doesn't he. lol.

 

I feel like your some dude watching this happen and Flem/Solas just don't notice you. 

 

 

/frantically searches for a picture.

 

One of the lovely Cosplayers who did the Solas/Lavellan Cosplay! - http://aicosu.tumblr...ellan-from-york

 

[DragonRacer]

Yep. Unfortunately we can't do much about the tone since the voice actors had to be racially neutral. This was a human game first and multi-race later. Lavellan comes across as the worst First to the Keeper ever, or grossly ignorant of their stories if a non-mage because the tone is a little too geared toward other races not knowing much about elven culture.

 

Re, DragonRacer. I feel like Flemeth has been channeling through you. While sad, your situation is pretty much a perfect example of her quote. Is it fate or chance that the Elvhen empire crumbled? Fate or chance that Lavellan has elf god power in her hand? *shakes fist* Weeeeekes! Flemeeeeeeth!

 

Fate or chance... did Fen'Harel's actions really wrought the modern world? Or was it inevitable? Is he trying to adjust a thing that he THINKS he has control over but, in reality, does not? Is he turning in a cycle like Sisyphus continuously pushing that boulder up the hill only to have it roll back down again?

[TanisLave]

Not for nothing Cole's comment on Lavellan's feelings post-breakup is:

 

(If vallaslin removed): She is bare-faced, embarrassed, and she doesn't know. She thinks it's because of her.

(If vallasline stays): She feels her face, marked, marred without malice. She didn't know. She thinks it's why you walked away.

 

I get the feeling they wanted to go the "she has no idea why and blames herself" approach, and so withhold information and present it that way.

 

Worked for my Lavellan, who was almost convinced that Solas left her because she refused to let him remove her vallaslin. She knows he doesn't like the Dalish, doesn't like their blind adherence to traditions they barely remember, and hates servitude of any kind. She felt he couldn't really respect or love someone who chose to keep what she knew were slave markings because of her commitment to a culture he doesn't even respect. 

 

Until she saw his reaction to the Orb breaking post-final battle. I do like how the Inquisitor is at least able to piece together that Solas' despair over the Orb breaking is a sign that it was actually his, and infer that s/he knows that he was the one who gave it to Corypheus by asking, "There's more, isn't there?" At least, that's the impression I got. (Granted, the Herald should have pieced it together from the very beginning, from the first time Solas mentioned wanting to find "whatever artifact caused the explosion" in Haven. If not then, then when he mentions that the Orb Corypheus was seen using when he destroyed Haven was of elven origin. He's practically screaming, "It's mine and I need your help getting it back," but oh well. Better late than never.)

 

My character removed the Vallasin, but I can easily see it also going with a Lavellan who drank from the well and that is the reason he left.

 

Poor Lavellan, so many bad life choices for you. 

[Patchwork]

I was Garrus all the way in Mass Effect. Favourite Bioware romance ever (other than Solas). Odd that both were written by Weekes (in ME2 anyways). I went with Zev in Origins and Fenris in DA2. So this is the first time I'm dealing with so much heartbreak. 

 

For now I prefer the Garrus romance to Solas but the former is complete whereas things are still up in the air with Solas. I have no idea how that's going to end. 

 

Unhardened Alistair with an elf mage was my first BW relationship so I'm no stranger to having my heart broken by pixels.  

 

If 'Who's Mythal?' isn't a bug they should treat it like one and fix the dialogue some how anyway. I'd settle for my Lavellan with her Mythal vallaslin just giving Morrigan a dead eyed stare. Much like the one I imagine my mob princess Cadash giving Bianca. 

[scintilla]

 

This whole thing is raising some interesting questions, honestly.

 

Such as the train scenario giving you an illusion of control. Really, you have no control in it. Somebody WILL die. The train will have to run over either one person or multiple people. Now, clearly, nobody here would WANT that train to run over anybody. Instead, now we're presented with a choice - one that's not really a choice, but maybe it makes you feel like you have some control of the outcome. And in that choice, you either step back, make no decision, and allow somebody to die (at random)... or you actively choose who gets to die and who gets to live. Playing God, as if you are the one true arbiter of morality.

 

Sort of fascinating, I suppose. Is it more moral to make a choice (potentially selfishly or potentially unselfishly) or more moral to make no choice at all and let what happens happen?

 

"Is it fate or chance? I can never decide," as Flemeth says in DA2.

 

There are arguments for both paths, I suppose. We want to feel active, in control. Feel like we've exhausted all opportunities, done everything we could. But ARE we really in control, in instances like that? Or is it just the illusion of control?

 

Not to dredge up something grossly personal from my life, but I feel like the internal conflict may add to the philosophical discussion. My mother chose to end her life. Three years ago as of this coming Monday, actually (hard to believe the anniversary is so close again). Sadly, she had a pattern of depression and making vocal threats about such. I had always been able to talk her down. Always, my whole life. Then came a night of a big blow-up fight. After the fight, she tried to call back. For the first time, I was inactive (I let the call go to voicemail purposely). In all honesty, I was exhausted. There were years of mental and emotional turmoil and exhaustion that led to the point of a decision. An active decision to remain inactive for once.

 

The next morning, I received a call from my Dad informing me she'd ended her life that night.

 

If I'd answered my phone, might I have been able to talk her down again? Possibly. Would it have saved her that night? Possibly. Or was it just prolonging the inevitable, that this was something she was eventually going to do anyway regardless of what control I did or did not think I had over the situation? Also possibly. Now, in the end, obviously the action was not mine. I didn't pull the trigger and kill her. But did my inaction contribute to the end result? I don't know. 

 

After three years, I still don't know if the choice to not act was the right one or the wrong one to make at the time. Or if making a different choice would have ultimately affected the outcome at all anyway.

 

Do we choose to always act for what we think is best? Or do we choose to stay out of the conflict and observe what happens? Do we really have any control over certain events? Or is it just an illusion of control? Do you choose which track the train travels down? Or do you stand back and let it go where it may... and if you choose that, is there or is there not still some burden of guilt on you for choosing inaction over action?

 

"Is it fate or chance? I can never decide."

 

 

Liking for the point you made/support not that sad things happened.

 

[Kappa Neko]

What armor is this by the way? I like it more then the wolf-sash with tooth jock-strap outfit. 

I went into my first playthrough and looked it up: Imbued Deflecting Enchanter Armor. (Good grief...)

It looks pretty crappy in the menu but quite nice in cutscenes, although it depends on the environment. Can be a bit shiny.

I have a screenshot just in case:

Spoiler

 

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I don't know if it's my age or what but I can no longer take My Heart Will Go On seriously outside of Titanic.

Same here. Although I do enjoy it when someone can do it some justice. Personally this song fits more so for my Solavellan..well before he dumped her...

[TanisLave]

I went into my first playthrough and looked it up: Imbued Deflecting Enchanter Armor. (Good grief...)

It looks pretty crappy in the menu but quite nice in cutscenes, although it depends on the environment. Can be a bit shiny.

I have a screenshot just in case:

Spoiler

Many thanks!

[BoscoBread]

Not for nothing Cole's comment on Lavellan's feelings post-breakup is:

<snip>

 

Until she saw his reaction to the Orb breaking post-final battle. I do like how the Inquisitor is at least able to piece together that Solas' despair over the Orb breaking is a sign that it was actually his, and infer that s/he knows that he was the one who gave it to Corypheus by asking, "There's more, isn't there?" At least, that's the impression I got. (Granted, the Herald should have pieced it together from the very beginning, from the first time Solas mentioned wanting to find "whatever artifact caused the explosion" in Haven. If not then, then when he mentions that the Orb Corypheus was seen using when he destroyed Haven was of elven origin. He's practically screaming, "It's mine and I need your help getting it back," but oh well. Better late than never.)

The romance dialog - yeah I agree.  That's how mine felt.

 

The 2nd bit - you as the player can probably piece that together but the Lavellan is practically sobbing on the stairs. My human who was bff's with Solas actually voiced her concern over the whole thing. Noting that the orb could not have been the only reason he was so distraught. Again, the writers rendering a romanced Lavellan to a besotted mess instead of someone with a brain in her head. It was actually a bit insulting to me.  My girl is sharper than a tack.  She knows what's up.  Stop making her into a sad sack.

[Illyria]

Not even that - there are dozens of posts on this thread of people who are totally confused by that scene.  The writers literally made the game more confusing for people whose first play through was a Solasmance because they are missing crucial pieces of information.  Though, I would agree, I wish they would have made a PC that was a little bit sharper than a bag of lint.  Like it's actually a bit unbelieveable to me that Solas would have been attracted to anyone that wasn't pretty sharp.  

 

My first playthrough was a Solasmance and I currently haven't completed the game with a non-Solasmancing elf.  What did I miss?