All of this Good Solas, Bad Solas debate is making me nervous.
Question for you guys. >w< Just hypothetically.
If you discovered that Solas was directly responsible for Corypheus's dreams of the Dark City, and had lured him there purposefully to ensure the release of his physical side (Dirthamen = Dumat) so that he could once again try to fix the mess of his earlier rebellion and eventually hopefully address the Blight before it inevitably took over the world... would you love him, even then? Knowing how much blood was on his hands? Understanding that -to him- there simply was no other way?
I love this question. Putting the theory side of it aside, this is one thing that I love about Bioware, that the characters aren't exclusively two dimensional, totally good or totally evil, but more than that, you are not necessarily forced to a choice between starkly good or evil. Sometimes you can even have huge contradictions within relationships (the rivalmances, if you will) and still somehow make it work, until plausibility allows and even stretching it then some. There is complexity, where they stray and do some very questionable things, all of this orchestrated to put you on the spot and figure out what's more important to you. It hasn't always been executed to perfection, but in ME and DA particularly I see that there's a smoother transcendence of these qualities, you can commit to forming friendships and romances that always potentially have some hidden layer to them.
To actually answer the question - I love the idea that I would have an option to not save the world in a classic way for the sake of a change in beliefs or because of a romance. Even were it not to end up a canon PT, I'd still love to just try it. It adds a new dimension to how you choose to interpret your characters feelings on a whole new level, that point where you are pushed to... the outer limits!
Alright, I'll stop now before silliness ensues. Puns are always a danger sign.
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So yes, you can argue that he's racist. I don't think so however, because he doesn't hold up any one race as superior to the other. He's just telling you what he thought of you, and how you've changed his point of view.
I completely agree. Everyone has their own biases - changing perceptions can only be a good thing, and it's an honest admission that Solas did not start out respecting everyone. Why should he have, considering his history and especially his recent experiences? To me, I can respect him all the more for being willing to change such preconceptions because he sees an example that forces him to rethink his attitude. That isn't an ego response.
How many people allowed Solas to kill the mages? Or even continued the relationship? That should have been the point to turn away from him if ruthlessness was to be an issue. He was willing to kill. For no reason other than anger. That's a trait of character. If you kill 5 or 5000 people does not really make too much of a difference anymore, I think. Especially since the mages-killing was very close up (seeing their faces, their fear, their helplessness, and knowing of their ignorance), while the conclave was neither planned nor anything personal. "3000 people died in a plane crash" surely is bad if you were the one not checking the engine correctly, but not as emotional as killing one person you can look into the eye while doing it.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make in defending my decision to not intervene. This is what I set to find out - would he do it in that moment because of his pain? Could he do it and shoulder the responsibility, and possible consequences, that taking those lives entails?
As I said, to me it was important to find out about this side of him and after that it was my choice whether or not to stick with him, darkness and all.
I usually stay away from topics like this , so I don't say something that offend or hurt someone. But I have to say this. Him killing these mages is straight up murder ,IMO. He does like to dispense justice as he sees fit, but these mages...he looked straight at them and killed them. I doesn't feel right. They didn't summon the spirit to torture information out of her, or to do some sinister ritual. They needed protection. They were ignorant , true, but they didn't deserve to be murdered.
Killing Howe is another story . His intent was evil, born of greed and jealousy, he was a horrible person,a traitor and a killer. Vengeance upon him was justified.
Yes, but what if Howe hadn't done anything else apart from what he did to the Couslands? What if it had turned out he had had good reasons for his feelings? And if we take into consideration that he had a family, people who depended on him?
All of this is immaterial in the face of all the wrongs he did in general, Howe was meant to be killed however you played through DA:O and they gave us reasons for it aplenty. Yet, I have to wonder about such distinctions between Howe's death and the death of, well, anyone else, when there are always so many other layers. The Warden did not know all the angles, it's impossible to know all the angles, thus such a death should never be approached as lightly as "this person deserved it." What if, to enough other people, this weren't true? The flip side is that we don't know practically anything about those mages Solas is out to kill. They could have been either great or horrible people; yet, should that knowledge influence us to the point where one death is declared murder and another is declared justice?
I let him kill those mages because that guy's face really annoyed me.
So the whole 'bad' Solas thing doesn't bother me all that much, because I know, deep down in my heart...
That I am always going to be way way worse than him.
oh come on, that mage was annoying. He totally deserved it. I'm not that much of a sociopath. Honest.
This... this just makes me laugh so much. 
If I could like a post multiple times I would.
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