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[SolaceInSolas]

I just finished my first play through of Dragon Age: Inquisition.  I never played any of the games.  I immediately romanced Solas, for me there was no other choice.  Guess what? MY FREAKING HEART HAS BEEN RIPPED OUT OF MY CHEST FORCEFULLY, THROWN ON THE GROUND, AND TRODDED ON.  I want, NEEDED to fix my broken emotions, so I wrote a fanfic of what happens after.  It's not finished,I've just the first chapter/installment.  I will fix this horrible wrong. Note: I legitimately cried at the end like a little baby.  Not kidding.  I threw a fit and locked myself in my room.  It was bad.  

I feel you! I have never had a game desroy me like this one did. I was SO ANGRY AND HURT! I punched things, cried frustrated tears.....so mad. Then I stepped back and saw the beauty of Solas through the hurt......but still..... UGH, I need closure so badly. So yeah, you are definitely not alone.

[AzureNika]

You know I see it more as the eggplant waving "hello". Still, where the flipflap dunkerduckles you find stuff like this?!

[Renmiri1]

there there, we shall hunt and tame that wolf god

[Renmiri1]

You know I see it more as the eggplant waving "hello". Still, where the flipflap dunkerduckles you find stuff like this?!

Twitter

[AzureNika]

Twitter sounds like a strange land with weird ****. Eggplant with a tumor like wow.

[madrar]

<snip>

It's also possible that the pyramids are just devoted to the Sun constellation, and not Elgar'nan or his father, and we're crazy theory-crafters. But what are the odds of that? 

 

whoa.  So the Fex aren't technically human?   This is all new to me. Going to have to take a good long look through it all tomorrow.  

 

As for the incredibly suspicious pyramids and their most-likely-in-uthenera-occupants?  Can't wait to find out what the Kossith think of Anubis.

 

*wanders off to sleep laughing*

[Siha]

I imagine there's a very specific reason he took us to Skyhold.

I always rather wondered why he brings us there so late. Everybody conveniently points out how obvious it was from the beginning that we would be attacked and that Haven was indefensible. So why did he wait?
"Hey, Seeker, this place is not exactly a fortress, right? How about we move? I think, I once visited somewhere in the Fade... let me look, what do you think?"
Na, he waited for us to meet the dragon first.

[Renmiri1]

I always rather wondered why he brings us there so late. Everybody conveniently points out how obvious it was from the beginning that we would be attacked and that Haven was indefensible. So why did he wait?
"Hey, Seeker, this place is not exactly a fortress, right? How about we move? I think, I once visited somewhere in the Fade... let me look, what do you think?"
Na, he waited for us to meet the dragon first.

He waited to reveal one of his secrets until he felt it was needed to get his orb back

[AzureNika]

^^^ I think Solas wanted to see what they were dealing with. He might've thought Corypheus alone or with a minor force would attack, considering that he thinks he's all powerful and all and they could probably take care of him then and there. The end. But it didn't and more innocent people died. Quite honestly Solas is a calamity magnet.

[Gwyvian]

^^^ I think Solas wanted to see what they were dealing with. He might've thought Corypheus alone or with a minor force would attack, considering that he thinks he's all powerful and all and they could probably take care of him then and there. The end. But it didn't and more innocent people died. Quite honestly Solas is a calamity magnet.

Or he's in shock, he's going: "it can't be that bad. I did not doom the world. It's completely under control."

*archdemon shows up*

"Perhaps now is a good time to panic after all. Skyhold, everyone!"

[OxidantsHappen]

On the Kossith/Qunari subject:  I've tried really, REALLY hard to keep science out of the tinfoil hat theory crafting but I can't keep it in any longer.

 

So... If my initial hypothesis regarding the genetics of elves and other ancient races was correct (and for the sake of the theory I'm using the assumption that it is) then I might have a way of explaining the Kossith - Qunari transition.  If certain fundamental aspects of the ancient elves were inherited via recessive genes (phenotypes, etc - making all pure blooded elves homozygous aa) and any time they reproduced with another species the resulting offspring would have the phenotype/characteristics of the non-elven species- leading to the assumption that the alleles of other species are dominant to the elven allele.  There have been hints in the lore that the Qunari species was created as the result of some kind of elven interference (I can't remember where, so if this is someones crackpot theory that I've mistaken for codex lore then ignore me), so the theory that makes the most sense to me is the following:

 

In game, Iron Bull states the Kossith most likely look nothing like modern day Qunari (lacking further information on the Kossith, I have to proceed under the assumption that his statement is true).  If the elves in ancient times ever reproduced with a Kossith, they would create a heterozygous X/a individual, with the phenotype of a normal Kossith.  Now in -410 Ancient, it says that the Kossith were ravaged by the first blight which resulted in numerous casualties and losses. This could account for a population bottleneck.  If enough Kossith died off, and the population was small enough, the ratio of heterozygous half-breeds could be high enough to where a/a homozygous individuals were being born from Kossith that were carriers for the recessive allele.  These weird homozygous aa "Kossith" could be the Qunari (the race, not the religion).  In a normal large population, the ratio of carriers to non-carriers would be small, so the occasional homozygous "Kossith" would be insignificant. But in a population bottleneck with gene "recycling" and no new influx of new genetic material would cause a rare condition to become common - example? Methemoglobinemia- or more commonly referred to as the blue people, a rare genetic disorder that is common amongst certain populations.  The first sighting of Qunari is in 6:30 Storm, almost a millennia later - which is plenty of time for the genetic drift caused by the population bottleneck to theoretically occur.

 

Corypheus tells a Qunari inquisitor that their race was a mistake.  How is a race a mistake? It could be a mistake because if they're the rare weird offspring of genetically elven Kossith.

 

And there it is. I'm done. I got it off my chest.  I'll go back to lurking and making weirdly opportunistic inappropriate jokes now.

[dragondreamer]

So how many of you had the kissy-kissy scene with Solas on the balcony only to then turn around and see the Quizquisition spying on you from your own closet?

 

Not with my romanced Lavellan (tho I don't remember looking), but on my male Lavellan, I looked in there after the balcony scene, and there he was.

 

Dudevellan:

Quizquistion guy: *wind noises*

Dudevellan:

[Gwyvian]

To be fair to Solas, he seemed just as surprised as everyone else to learn that Corypheus had a Red Templar/Mage(?) army (whichever side of the mage/Templar war you didn't pick) and an Archdemon. Like everyone else, he probably figured the Elder One was powerful and might attack, but he didn't except him to gather enough of a force that he could completely flatten Haven.

I mean, Corypheus mentions that the Inquisitor disrupted a ritual "years in the making" and stole the power the Orb held, and attacked partly to get it back. It's possible that, at that time, the Orb didn't have that much power since years worth of battery juice got drained the second the Inquisitor touched the Orb and set off the explosion at the Conclave. Solas probably figured that Corypheus had died, or lost the Orb, or that it had so little power that he would be a weak enough threat that they could quickly recover it and set things right. Then, again, dragon.

Then again, it's been a month since I played that part of the game, so maybe there are details I don't remember.

Come to think, doesn't that make the Inquisitor indirectly responsible for the breach...?

Aww, I can just picture Solas shifting his feet in mounting anxiety that everything suddenly went very wrong.

[Caddius]

On the Kossith/Qunari subject:  I've tried really, REALLY hard to keep science out of the tinfoil hat theory crafting but I can't keep it in any longer.

 

So... If my initial hypothesis regarding the genetics of elves and other ancient races was correct (and for the sake of the theory I'm using the assumption that it is) then I might have a way of explaining the Kossith - Qunari transition.  If certain fundamental aspects of the ancient elves were inherited via recessive genes (phenotypes, etc - making all pure blooded elves homozygous aa) and any time they reproduced with another species the resulting offspring would have the phenotype/characteristics of the non-elven species- leading to the assumption that the alleles of other species are dominant to the elven gene.  There have been hints in the lore that the Qunari species was created as the result of some kind of elven interference (I can't remember where, so if this is someones crackpot theory that I've mistaken for codex lore then ignore me), so the theory that makes the most sense to me is the following:

 

In game, Iron Bull states the Kossith most likely look nothing like modern day Qunari (lacking further information on the Kossith, I have to proceed under the assumption that his statement is true).  If the elves in ancient times ever reproduced with a Kossith, they would create a heterozygous X/a individual, with the phenotype of a normal Kossith.  Now in -410 Ancient, it says that the Kossith were ravaged by the first blight which resulted in numerous casualties and losses. This could account for a population bottleneck.  If enough Kossith died off, and the population was small enough, the ratio of heterozygous half-breeds could be high enough to where a/a homozygous individuals were being born from Kossith that were carriers for the recessive allele.  These weird homozygous aa "Kossith" could be the Qunari (the race, not the religion).  In a normal large population, the ratio of carriers to non-carriers would be small, so the occasional homozygous "Kossith" would be insignificant. But in a population bottleneck with gene "recycling" and no new influx of new genetic material would cause a rare condition to become common - example? Methemoglobinemia- or more commonly referred to as the blue people, a rare genetic disorder that is common amongst certain populations.  The first sighting of Qunari is in 6:30 Storm, almost a millennia later - which is plenty of time for the genetic drift caused by the population bottleneck to theoretically occur.

 

Corypheus tells a Qunari inquisitor that their race was a mistake.  How is a race a mistake? It could be a mistake because if they're the rare weird offspring of genetically elven Kossith.

 

And there it is. I'm done. I got it off my chest.  I'll go back to lurking and making weirdly opportunistic inappropriate jokes now.

I am somewhat perplexed by all your science bibble-babble-drabble, but I heartily approve.  My favorite high school biology teacher and I had to talk about ancient human migration patterns and tracking it via DNA as opposed to his field or my liberal arts fascination because of how terrible I am with science. But I do love science.

The only thing I can point out in your hypothesis that's off is that the kossith weren't devastated by the Blight. They had a single colony in the Korcari Wilds which was wiped out. And the Blight was localized to Thedas, not wherever the kossith homeland is. (The Qunari seem thrown by the idea of Blights and darkspawn, judging by Sten's mission. A Blight sounds like one of the things the priesthood would remember and inform the Arishok of.) The women were turned into broodmothers, producing the first ogres and greatly helping them besiege dwarven kingdoms. There could be some other genetic bottleneck though, right? Just going off of Barindur, maybe the Equator of Thedas has more active volcanoes? (I'm going to go ahead and say that the kossith homeland is hot, judging by the Qunari's in-game weakness to cold in Origins.)

And don't worry about approaching theories from a science perspective. That's your background. I approach it from a social studies perspective because that's the only useful way I can contribute.  Madrar has physics and mind-boggling complexity. Lizasaurus has art and literature, and so on. Team Mordin. 

[_Lucinia]

 

Solas probably figured that Corypheus had died, or lost the Orb, or that it had so little power that he would be a weak enough threat that they could quickly recover it and set things right. Then, again, dragon.

 

 

Seemed to me that was what Solas thought.  I can't remember the exact dialogue.  But I remember him saying in Haven that Leliana( ? ) had people scouting the ruins of the ToSA for the Orb.  He seemed perplexed by the fact that the orb was nowhere to be found.  I remember choosing the response that said I hope it turned up, or it would be found, something like that.

[Willow_Elessidil]

Forever kisses....

 

[Renmiri1]

Guys.. He uses both hands.. Right hand lingers even longer

 

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...-right-hand-too

[OxidantsHappen]

I am somewhat perplexed by all your science bibble-babble-drabble, but I heartily approve.  My favorite high school biology teacher and I had to talk about ancient human migration patterns and tracking it via DNA as opposed to his field or my liberal arts fascination because of how terrible I am with science. But I do love science.

The only thing I can point out in your hypothesis that's off is that the kossith weren't devastated by the Blight. They had a single colony in the Korcari Wilds which was wiped out. And the Blight was localized to Thedas, not wherever the kossith homeland is. (The Qunari seem thrown by the idea of Blights and darkspawn, judging by Sten's mission. A Blight sounds like one of the things the priesthood would remember and inform the Arishok of.) The women were turned into broodmothers, producing the first ogres and greatly helping them besiege dwarven kingdoms. There could be some other genetic bottleneck though, right? Just going off of Barindur, maybe the Equator of Thedas has more active volcanoes? (I'm going to go ahead and say that the kossith homeland is hot, judging by the Qunari's in-game weakness to cold in Origins.)

And don't worry about approaching theories from a science perspective. That's your background. I approach it from a social studies perspective because that's the only useful way I can contribute.  Madrar has physics and mind-boggling complexity. Lizasaurus has art and literature, and so on. Team Mordin. 

 

Ah you are totally right about the Kocari Wilds group just being a colony - I tend to forget that there's more to the DA world than just Thedas! 

 

Sorry about my science dribble! I get all these ideas & I think I might explode unless I word vomit all over some forum at 2 in the morning. I don't want to risk it.

[flabbadence]

Here's the raw footage I used for the screenshots up top. In case you wanna see the final romance scene through Lavellan's eyes.

I had some trouble with the flycam at first so unfortunately I missed out on the first few seconds.

Also, there's plenty of horrifying face clipping, so be warned.

 

I'm just sitting here remembering that DA dating sims vid and trying to laugh about how much this looks like that come to life, because otherwise it would hurt too much again

[slmisfit]

Oh god, I thought Solas' twitchy arm was bad but Flemeth actually made me laugh. I mean, Bioware really did some gorgeous work with the animation in this game but it was really not meant to be looked at from new angles.

I was laughing so friggin hard at this that I accidentally spammed the like button and got an error. rofl

[Siha]

To be fair to Solas, he seemed just as surprised as everyone else to learn that Corypheus had a Red Templar/Mage(?) army (whichever side of the mage/Templar war you didn't pick) and an Archdemon. Like everyone else, he probably figured the Elder One was powerful and might attack, but he didn't except him to gather enough of a force that he could completely flatten Haven.

Yes. What I wanted to point out (and maybe I should stop asking rhetoric questions here) is: he plays only his own game. If he has an interest in keeping the Inquisition and its people save, who knows. Maybe it does not matter to him at all. At least he does not act much upon it, even if it does. He keeps knowledge to himself, possibly also because you must be careful who to trust. If he revealed too much to the (beloved) inquisitor, this might turn out to be a huge mistake later on. I suppose, everybody is a pawn in his "game" and sacrificed or dragged along, whatever the situation demands. I simply do not think that any helpful thing he's done implies any sort of bonding with the inquisition or its followers. He helps them if it helps him, otherwise he does not.

[Caddius]

As I'm sitting here pondering how much fun dealing with either a Qunari or a kossith invasion in DA4 would be, the Suebi just decided to re-enact the Cimbrian War for me a hundred and sixty ears too early in Rome II. I guess horns and explosives do make things better.

EDIT: Siha, I have to respectfully disagree that Solas hasn't bonded with the Inquisition. Specifically, the line of dialogue about 'I will remember this. When this is over. The Inquisition standing against the chaos. It's...inspiring." I don't think he sees them on quite his level, but I think it does his grumpy, cynical, elf-bedding-side-benefit heart some good to see the Inquisition at work. And he gets along with Cassandra, Varric, Cole, and Dorian rather well. He even takes care of Bull after the Tal-Vashoth thing happens by pissing him off with chess and telling him he'll be there for him.

He probably won't let that slow his plans down. He'll just feel bad about doing it.

[flabbadence]

Huh. Holding back the Darkness, right? I'm... gonna have to think about that. And leave this codex entry behind.

 

I know it ends with her creating the Moon. But... it could also be the Veil. Given how the rest of the gods were absent during this tale and Mythal was absent from the world (across the sea/ formed from the Earth's tears, whichever explanation you want/ buy into) prior to it... It's likely that this is the origin story of the Pantheon. When it is only Elgar'nan and Mythal. Everyone else comes later, post-Veil. Just because you're immortal doesn't mean you weren't born - some of them clearly later than others (Ghilal'nain for example).

I dunno. I think I'm gonna go get some Diet Coke, kill some dragons, and ruminate while spamming Leaping Shot during Fire Flask.

EDIT: HEY. Isn't it... permanently night in the Fade? Could someone please answer that question?

 

HOLD IT

 

If the Moon is the Veil... then the Sun is the Fade? Elgar'nan wrestled... manipulated... overpowered the Fade and threw it into the Void? And then brought it back, restricted by the Veil, because with the Fade completely gone Thedas started to fail?

 

I can see possibilities here.

 

As for it being permanently night in the Fade... while there's no sun, there's no moon either, or stars. Just eerie green light everywhere. But the Fade is tied to the night simply because most people sleep, and thus dream, at night.

[Birdy]

This one is pretty cute, SFW
http://dragonage-kin...13857#t48413857