Idk, Flemeth is obviously not the original Mythal and yet she could control Morrigan. If there was anyway Flemeth could have prevented that from happening, without rendering the whole thing moot, I'm sure she would have done it. However, it's also possible she trusts Solas and his thing against controlling people to keep him from forcing her to do anything awful.
I got the very distinct impression that no, Solas and Mythal are definitely not on the same side of this conflict.
You really think so Elu? I wonder if we'll ever be faced with a Solas or Morrigan choice, they are very similar characters...
I really, really hope not! Both are two of my favorite characters in Dragon Age!
I think most people would choose Morrigan anyways. I would choose Solas myself unless he did something incredibly terrible before that choice.
Idk, Flemeth is obviously not the original Mythal and yet she could control Morrigan. If there was anyway Flemeth could have prevented that from happening, without rendering the whole thing moot, I'm sure she would have done it. However, it's also possible she trusts Solas and his thing against controlling people to keep him from forcing her to do anything awful.
she is not obiviously.. she says clearly: Mythal is not more separate from me than a heart from your chest. She carries her with her. She is a part of her but Flemeth personally IS NOT MYTHAL.
The thing about Morrigan though was that you knew why she left. Also if you gave into her idea about the OGB then she left on considerably better terms than if you didn't. You were also able to vow to hunt her down (having only grudgingly given consent) or wish her well (because she just saved my boyfriend for me - because I always guessed he would take the dive for me). What was also good was when discussing my Warden with Morrigan, who didn't agree to the OGB (Loghain took the fall), she mentioned how they hadn't parted on the best of terms which she regretted. Now I assume she probably says that about every Warden who didn't agree whether they parted on good terms or not (though I suppose it could vary if the Warden did hunt her down and stabbed her), but my Warden certainly bore her no ill will, simply hadn't agreed with her plan, so I was happy she acknowledged she could have dealt with that better.
The Vallaslin thing feels a lot less romantic to me since PW revealed that Solas only does it to cover his A** because he got cold feet about revealing the truth and came up with the Vallaslin on the fly. I just find it a bit hard now thinking that my male Lavellan is going to be spending the rest of his days with "I'm a slave" written across his forehead. I've yet to play through the game with him but if Cory does mention it, then naturally he is going to wonder about the fact that Solas had no Vallaslin, yet is clearly not a city elf, and whether he knew. Anyway, leaving that aside, he'll likely be looking to Solas as a sort of mentor/friend who he respects and thinks Solas respects him and then suddenly he's gone. The odd thing is at the beginning you can say to him, what about when all this is over and his answer is that he hopes that people, like Cassandra, will remember who helped, which sort of implies that he'll stick around.
I think the problem is that I'm constantly manic depressive over Solas. I'm playing through again and smiling at all the instances that I so love about him but feeling deflated the next moment because now I know it won't last and somehow the epilogue makes a sort of discordant note in everything. Even before the game came out I never really believed that cover story about him being a simple apostate who lay around in ruins; I was certain he was going to be an ancient elf. So his reluctance to get romantically involved was understandable, particularly when you think how much older he is than Lavellan. May be he did feel he was taking advantage. And revealing something like that would be difficult enough without the whole god thing.
It seems, though, that I just can't catch a break with my elf romances. They messed up on Zevran in DA2 - I don't believe it was a flag bug but they just forgot he was meant to be devoted to the Warden. However, it totally ruined it for me that he was sleeping around with Isabella (and Hawke) when he was meant to be my Warden's LI. And since the Warden is off somewhere on their personal quest and Zevran is doing jobs for the Inquisition, it is clear they aren't together. Then Hawke reveals that she has sent Fenris away because she was afraid he would get killed defending her, when Varric has told me that it hasn't exactly stopped the death toll where he is concerned, so he's likely in just as much danger away - truth is having the LI around would have complicated the storyline so Hawke is alone no matter who they romanced. Still, on the face of it, another PC who is facing life alone. I was so hoping that this time around Solas would be for keeps but, no, the writers have other plans for him and so yet another PC has to continue alone without their beloved elf LI. You'd really think I'd have learnt my lesson by now.
I really, really hope not! Both are two of my favorite characters in Dragon Age!
I think most people would choose Morrigan anyways. I would choose Solas myself unless he did something incredibly terrible before that choice.
Yeah it would be a tough decision for so many people, well, a lot of them... not me, because Solas.
I got the very distinct impression that no, Solas and Mythal are definitely not on the same side of this conflict.
If that were the case I don't think she would have just let the last scene happen like that. What makes you think she opposes him in this? (whatever this is ><)
This is late, but I actually love the fact that you posted Edward, because even though he is introverted, I cosplayed him at DragonCon last year and he's from my favorite movie. 8D
The old spice guys fits very well! XD
ENFP BROS FTW! 8D
she is not obiviously.. she says clearly: Mythal is not more separate from me than a heart from your chest. She carries her with her. She is a part of her but Flemeth personally IS NOT MYTHAL.
Yea, that was my point. So it makes sense if Mythal did move from Flemeth to Solas, he would now be able to control whoever drank from the well.
You really think so Elu? I wonder if we'll ever be faced with a Solas or Morrigan choice, they are very similar characters...
Well, in this situation, I would side with Morrigan cause he really did kill her mother, for all intents and purposes. So, in my mind, her vengeance would be more than justified.
Yea, that was my point. So it makes sense if Mythal did move from Flemeth to Solas, he would now be able to control whoever drank from the well.
But, the dev notes mention passing on her "godhood" to Morrigan, which in my opinion, would negate that potential control.
Oh yeah, I get what you're saying.
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I would have absolutely no problem taking out Morrigan if it came down to a choice between her and Solas.
But then again, I'd take out pretty much anyone for him.
Does anyone have a link but without Kieran/OGB?
Well, in this situation, I would side with Morrigan cause he really did kill her mother, for all intents and purposes. So, in my mind, her vengeance would be more than justified.
I think I'd rather that just didn't happen, the thought has popped into my head once or twice though...
she is not obiviously.. she says clearly: Mythal is not more separate from me than a heart from your chest. She carries her with her. She is a part of her but Flemeth personally IS NOT MYTHAL.
Like Anders and Justice.
I really, really hope not! Both are two of my favorite characters in Dragon Age!
I think most people would choose Morrigan anyways. I would choose Solas myself unless he did something incredibly terrible before that choice.
It's too easy for me to choose, because I choose LI 100% of the time.
Loghain is one of my favorite characters EVER. He's right up there with Solas and Zevran. But he was in the same import as my Hawke who romanced Fenris.
Left Loghain to die so Fenris would stay happy. XD
You really think so Elu? I wonder if we'll ever be faced with a Solas or Morrigan choice, they are very similar characters...
I've never had a difficult time deciding between characters in a "Virmire Decision" before, but this would be the one I couldn't do.
Okay, I could, but it would be incredibly difficult for me and I would probably cry, which hasn't happened with a choice like this before. 
It would be especially difficult because my Solas-romancing Lavellen shares the same world state as my Morrigan-romancing Mahariel...
But, the dev notes mention passing on her "godhood" to Morrigan, which in my opinion, would negate that potential control.
Do you know the phrasing on that? There's a difference between has passed it to and her wanting too. Also, nothing says she couldn't have passed it to Solas to use to accomplish his goal and then he could pass it to Morrigan later if she ever became willing.
Urks! Friend of mine is past Winter Palace Quest and suspects Solas is eiter a priest of Fen'Harel or the Dread Wolf himself.
I need an argument why he can't be! ... I know it's hard, seeing how she's totally right, but I don't want her to know for sure so early on ^^
I'm not so sure Morrigan would want revenge for Flemeth. Morrigan has tried to off her before. They had something of a reconciliation in DA:I, but that doesn't change the fact that Morrigan still holds Flemeth in a somewhat bitter place in her heart. There's love, but its buried pretty deep.
Since we know Flemeth's intention was to pass on Mythal's 'godhood' to Morrigan, she'll likely be gaining at least a rough understanding of what the plan Mythal has been working on for all this time is. So she'll know for better or worse who Solas is and whether or not he can be trusted. If he can't, she'll absolutely find a way to strike back at him. If he can, then she'll probably begrudgingly accept him as an ally.
Morrigan and Solas seem to have a lot of parallels between one another. They both have close ties of Flemeth, and the implication from the developer notes is that both of them have been factored into Mythal's long term plan. The sense I get is that Solas is the weapon- the thing Mythal intends to throw at her enemies. Morrigan is the future- the person she intends to carry on her role after it is all over.
I'm doing a thing...
It's a WIP, but I wanted to share before my brain exploded with squee's...
*ninja poofs out*
*spams the like button*
Yummy...
*spams the like button again*
He really does go to town with those thighs of his though.
We're allowed to smut in here?
As long as you clearly label it and stick it under a spoiler... yes? I mean, it's still technically against the forum rules, pretty sure. When it comes to being considerate to the people who enjoy this thread, however, it's nice when someone clearly labels something as NSFW and then sticks it under a spoiler and/or uses links only.
The thing about Morrigan though was that you knew why she left. Also if you gave into her idea about the OGB then she left on considerably better terms than if you didn't. You were also able to vow to hunt her down (having only grudgingly given consent) or wish her well (because she just saved my boyfriend for me - because I always guessed he would take the dive for me). What was also good was when discussing my Warden with Morrigan, who didn't agree to the OGB (Loghain took the fall), she mentioned how they hadn't parted on the best of terms which she regretted. Now I assume she probably says that about every Warden who didn't agree whether they parted on good terms or not (though I suppose it could vary if the Warden did hunt her down and stabbed her), but my Warden certainly bore her no ill will, simply hadn't agreed with her plan, so I was happy she acknowledged she could have dealt with that better.
The Vallaslin thing feels a lot less romantic to me since PW revealed that Solas only does it to cover his A** because he got cold feet about revealing the truth and came up with the Vallaslin on the fly. I just find it a bit hard now thinking that my male Lavellan is going to be spending the rest of his days with "I'm a slave" written across his forehead. I've yet to play through the game with him but if Cory does mention it, then naturally he is going to wonder about the fact that Solas had no Vallaslin, yet is clearly not a city elf, and whether he knew. Anyway, leaving that aside, he'll likely be looking to Solas as a sort of mentor/friend who he respects and thinks Solas respects him and then suddenly he's gone. The odd thing is at the beginning you can say to him, what about when all this is over and his answer is that he hopes that people, like Cassandra, will remember who helped, which sort of implies that he'll stick around.
I think the problem is that I'm constantly manic depressive over Solas. I'm playing through again and smiling at all the instances that I so love about him but feeling deflated the next moment because now I know it won't last and somehow the epilogue makes a sort of discordant note in everything. Even before the game came out I never really believed that cover story about him being a simple apostate who lay around in ruins; I was certain he was going to be an ancient elf. So his reluctance to get romantically involved was understandable, particularly when you think how much older he is than Lavellan. May be he did feel he was taking advantage. And revealing something like that would be difficult enough without the whole god thing.
It seems, though, that I just can't catch a break with my elf romances. They messed up on Zevran in DA2 - I don't believe it was a flag bug but they just forgot he was meant to be devoted to the Warden. However, it totally ruined it for me that he was sleeping around with Isabella (and Hawke) when he was meant to be my Warden's LI. And since the Warden is off somewhere on their personal quest and Zevran is doing jobs for the Inquisition, it is clear they aren't together. Then Hawke reveals that she has sent Fenris away because she was afraid he would get killed defending her, when Varric has told me that it hasn't exactly stopped the death toll where he is concerned, so he's likely in just as much danger away - truth is having the LI around would have complicated the storyline so Hawke is alone no matter who they romanced. Still, on the face of it, another PC who is facing life alone. I was so hoping that this time around Solas would be for keeps but, no, the writers have other plans for him and so yet another PC has to continue alone without their beloved elf LI. You'd really think I'd have learnt my lesson by now.
The thing about Morrigan though was that you knew why she left. Also if you gave into her idea about the OGB then she left on considerably better terms than if you didn't. You were also able to vow to hunt her down (having only grudgingly given consent) or wish her well (because she just saved my boyfriend for me - because I always guessed he would take the dive for me). What was also good was when discussing my Warden with Morrigan, who didn't agree to the OGB (Loghain took the fall), she mentioned how they hadn't parted on the best of terms which she regretted. Now I assume she probably says that about every Warden who didn't agree whether they parted on good terms or not (though I suppose it could vary if the Warden did hunt her down and stabbed her), but my Warden certainly bore her no ill will, simply hadn't agreed with her plan, so I was happy she acknowledged she could have dealt with that better.
The Vallaslin thing feels a lot less romantic to me since PW revealed that Solas only does it to cover his A** because he got cold feet about revealing the truth and came up with the Vallaslin on the fly. I just find it a bit hard now thinking that my male Lavellan is going to be spending the rest of his days with "I'm a slave" written across his forehead. I've yet to play through the game with him but if Cory does mention it, then naturally he is going to wonder about the fact that Solas had no Vallaslin, yet is clearly not a city elf, and whether he knew. Anyway, leaving that aside, he'll likely be looking to Solas as a sort of mentor/friend who he respects and thinks Solas respects him and then suddenly he's gone. The odd thing is at the beginning you can say to him, what about when all this is over and his answer is that he hopes that people, like Cassandra, will remember who helped, which sort of implies that he'll stick around.
I think the problem is that I'm constantly manic depressive over Solas. I'm playing through again and smiling at all the instances that I so love about him but feeling deflated the next moment because now I know it won't last and somehow the epilogue makes a sort of discordant note in everything. Even before the game came out I never really believed that cover story about him being a simple apostate who lay around in ruins; I was certain he was going to be an ancient elf. So his reluctance to get romantically involved was understandable, particularly when you think how much older he is than Lavellan. May be he did feel he was taking advantage. And revealing something like that would be difficult enough without the whole god thing.
It seems, though, that I just can't catch a break with my elf romances. They messed up on Zevran in DA2 - I don't believe it was a flag bug but they just forgot he was meant to be devoted to the Warden. However, it totally ruined it for me that he was sleeping around with Isabella (and Hawke) when he was meant to be my Warden's LI. And since the Warden is off somewhere on their personal quest and Zevran is doing jobs for the Inquisition, it is clear they aren't together. Then Hawke reveals that she has sent Fenris away because she was afraid he would get killed defending her, when Varric has told me that it hasn't exactly stopped the death toll where he is concerned, so he's likely in just as much danger away - truth is having the LI around would have complicated the storyline so Hawke is alone no matter who they romanced. Still, on the face of it, another PC who is facing life alone. I was so hoping that this time around Solas would be for keeps but, no, the writers have other plans for him and so yet another PC has to continue alone without their beloved elf LI. You'd really think I'd have learnt my lesson by now.
WHAT!! so the part where he says '' Then I must tell you.. the truth.. * watches her sadly and then comes up with the story. * Your face... the vallaslin.. they are slave markings ''
Are you telling me that he was going to tell the truth but then couldn't do it..? Well I could totally understand him because come on.. all the stories she has learned about Fen'Harel because she is Dalish.. he might not have wanted her to.. think like that about him because she would not have known the real story. It might have caused a lots of issues and she might have not let him help them closing the breach which where they would have needed him the most since it is his orb... his power.. that's why he is the only one who knows everything about it.. yet he didn't tell her in the beginning.. why? Because he wanted to help and he knew that if he would present himself as an ancient elvhen god of rebellion people either would have not agreed with his help or they would have not believed his story or they might have tried to kill him a long ago. Because he lied I could imagine that if he had told the real story to Lavellan she might have just only thought him as a liar as a rebel god nothing else. Falling in love with a man named Solas but finding out him to be someone else ( only because he did not tell his past to be able to help closing the breach and undoing one of his mistakes ). It would have led to trouble. Maybe he left you because he figured out that he could not cause you this pain of knowing.. after all you had been taught.. how could you have known.. yet he seeks something he still needs to undo his mistake.. why '' I Should be the one PAYING THE PRICE.. but the PEOPLE they need me.. I am so sorry.. '' Flemeth knew he would have come and she knew why because they were friends... she did not even try to resist. We can see it clearly. He did not obiviously want lavellan to be part of this goal because he does not know what would happen during the process of succeeding his quest. He will not know if he will live and does not want to danger other one's lives.. specially lavellans because he loves her so much.
Oh yeah, I get what you're saying.
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But Morrigan doesn't care, does she? She even harassed HoF into killing her and take away her grimoire.
Liz, who really needs chipotle when you've got leftover christmas m&m's and a flat soda.
(jerk)
Yea, that was my point. So it makes sense if Mythal did move from Flemeth to Solas, he would now be able to control whoever drank from the well.
she did move from Flemeth to Solas because it is obivious with the story.. later on he might have to take your power or you must help him because you are the one who has the last left of his own power.
Like Anders and Justice.
It's too easy for me to choose, because I choose LI 100% of the time.
Loghain is one of my favorite characters EVER. He's right up there with Solas and Zevran. But he was in the same import as my Hawke who romanced Fenris.
Left Loghain to die so Fenris would stay happy. XD
HAHAH SAME XD
I've never had a difficult time deciding between characters in a "Virmire Decision" before, but this would be the one I couldn't do.
Okay, I could, but it would be incredibly difficult for me and I would probably cry, which hasn't happened with a choice like this before.
I hope we don't have to, just for that reason
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