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[Lady Luminous]

 Urks! Friend of mine is past Winter Palace Quest and suspects Solas is eiter a priest of Fen'Harel or the Dread Wolf himself.

I need an argument why he can't be! ... I know it's hard, seeing how she's totally right, but I don't want her to know for sure so early on ^^

 

The best lie has some truth.

 

Just tell her "He's something, but I can't tell you what and you can't spoiler it for yourself."

[Illyria]

Does anyone have a link but without Kieran/OGB?

 

If you mean the scene in the Fade then that doesn't exist without Kieran.

[HayleyDawn]

Yummy...

 

 

I don't recognize this scene. Is it player made? 
Or is it just not familiar because the graphics on my xbox are crap?

[Wheels]

The best lie has some truth.

 

Just tell her "He's something, but I can't tell you what and you can't spoiler it for yourself."

You're right. Telling her there's nothing at all sounds unbelievable. ^^

[Kappa Neko]

Honestly, I didn't get it until I started watching the show. So it's probably all mixed up with my love of how they are doing the characters and show overall getting mixed up into it.

Since we're still talking about Sherlock... yes, it's really like Solas. You see Cumberbatch and think he looks WEIRD. You need to experience it to understand it. I too had a moment when I thought Solas actually looks a bit like Cumberbatch. During that scene where he talks to quizzy after the attack on Haven in the snow by the blue fire. Very well done scene.

I still think Solas looks rather ugly, but from certain angles, like Sherlock, it's... damn. But it's mostly the voice with both of them for me and their personality. But I gotta say, like discussed the other day, Solas has a really nice body for an elf. That camp outfit suits him very well. Both he and Sherlock have that slim but slightly muscular physique.

 

And YES, smart is sexy as hell! Like omg...

 

(I'll never comment on his looks again because I'm too old for this girly stuff. Nevermind that I could stare at Dorian's patch of bare shoulder for an hour. This is all sooo beneath me. I need to keep nurturing my fake aloof  asexuality image. So not drooling over anybody. *cough*)

[Illyria]

I don't recognize this scene. Is it player made? 
Or is it just not familiar because the graphics on my xbox are crap?

 

It's the final romance scene taken with flycam to get another angle.

[Janic99]

 Urks! Friend of mine is past Winter Palace Quest and suspects Solas is eiter a priest of Fen'Harel or the Dread Wolf himself.

I need an argument why he can't be! ... I know it's hard, seeing how she's totally right, but I don't want her to know for sure so early on ^^

He is the Dread Wolf himself: Dread wolf slept like abou 1000 years..

 

in the end he says that basically he had all his power inside the orb ( mortal could not handle it ) and he says: '' I was too weak to unlock it after my slumber '' 

<-- so after his sleep for 1000 years...

He is the Dread Wolf because.. Flemeth says that she is Flemeth but is carrying Mythal with her. She is a part of her BUT she says '' You should not have given your orb to corypheus.. dread wolf '' and he does not answer in any other way but saying that he could not unlock the power after his long sleeping time which he had time to search the fade basically and knows so much about it.. more than anyone else... he says it was his mistake. I believe he IS the Dread Wolf itself. Now.. the way he reacts to everything and since it was told straight that he is it is obivious.. now the storied about dread wolf are another thing because he seems to be always reflecting to that the fact that those stories were not really correct because ancient elven is not so known language anymore so it is very hard to translate. (which he seems to be able to know perfectly which is the reason your character does not understand some pars where he speaks the ancient elven.. yet I find it funny how she is not questioning him about it I mean.. she might think it is what he learned in the fade but.. she does not questio that he does not look so old and he speaks it perfectly? Always when he wants to... knows things about the orb and everything else that no one else does.. haha I think lavellan is being as ignorant as we all were with the first gameplay and she was not really focusing on those parts so well lol)

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Arlee]

If you mean the scene in the Fade then that doesn't exist without Kieran.

 

Yea, if there is no OGB in your world state you just go to a grove and summon Mythal and have a nice funny convo with Flemeth. And as much as I love Morrigan, I died laughing when Flemeth showed up because Morrigan was so set on drinking and had no regard for the consequences.

[HayleyDawn]

It's the final romance scene taken with flycam to get another angle.

 

Ah, I figured it was something like that. It was so much darker for me!

[Janic99]

But Morrigan doesn't care, does she? She even harassed HoF into killing her and take away her grimoire.

She certainly does not seem to... as she seemed when either you or her had to drink from well to be only power hungry.. honestly.. after you decide to drink from it she acts so bitchy. I hate it because you can see that she wanted that power for something else too after the breach is closed.. she is so ignorant.. does not never seem to want to know the whole story or a thing about everything or have a doubt. She seems like a person that '' BECAUSE I THINK IT IS LIKE THIS IT MUST BE ''

 

Yet she agrees if she is mistaken but she does not think things further the way she should.. sadly. 

[Hellion Rex]

Do you know the phrasing on that? There's a difference between has passed it to and her wanting too.

This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this game, Flemeth's story comes to a head-- she knew that Solas would summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods... yet Solas has slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it. He was once her oldest friend, but she knows that in his drive to restore the elven people he will kill anyone-- even her. She intends to let him have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession."

[HayleyDawn]

He is the Dread Wolf himself: Dread wolf slept like about 1000 years [ ... ]

 

Is there somewhere to read all of the lore regarding the elven history? I've only seen the wiki page and it gives what feels like snippets of a very large story.

[SolaceInSolas]

That is you??? Fan-freakin-tastic! *thumbsup!*

Heyyyy...and I got "a" like back. One. Just one.

It is me! Thanks so much! Sorry, I was in the shower...*THROWS YOU ALL THE LIKES*

[slmisfit]

Here, have a Solas:

 

So am I the lone ISFP in this thread? I've seen plenty of variations of the Is, but didn't notice a fellow ISFP yet. :'(

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

I MISSED ALL THE GLORIOUS THEORIES! *weeps*

That being said.

Okay, yeah, Liz got it. I think. Yeah. Qunari, dwarves, elves, all slaves marked by variants of vallaslin in the days of the Pantheon.

A few caveats for some of the conversations going on after.

Ironically, I think Solas would make a wonderful Ashkaari. Both he and Koslun have story elements in common with various religious philosophers. The locusts and the Blight thing is...quite interesting.

I really don't see Par Vollen as the domain of Dirthamen, Falon'din, or Fen'harel, in any combination. While the Anubis angle could point out, it's very specifically pointed out that, while there are some bodies interred within the pyramids, they are not mausoleums. It seems their purpose was religious. And they match up perfectly to the Sun Constellation, associated with Elgar'nan.

Giant, horned creatures that struggle with violence and bloodlust. Sounds exactly like the sort Elgie would want.

The pyramids were likely Elgar'nan's own temples, complete with Well and Sentinels. The horned figures depicted as being honored are likely figures like Abelas. Slave-warrior-priests, devoted to guarding the Pyramids.

As for the Arlathan Empire spanning the world. Well, why not? It doesn't have the typical logistical problems. The elves didn't settle everywhere, they settled in places they liked. Arlathan Forest, but not Tevinter. Orlais and the Arbor Wilds and the Dales and the Frostbacks and Sundermountand the Brecillian Forest, but not the Bannorn. Eluvian travel let them hop between their pick of real estate. Why not hop to other colonies?

As for the question of why the kossith colony was in the Korcari Wilds, well. Personally, I suspect the writers were trying to salvage the screw-up of ogres being present in the First Blight. Or maybe they were blown off course. A civilization capable of colonization means a civilization that's organized into a nation-state capable of funding such expeditions and one that has competition in trading and goods, generally speaking. And from what the Qun speaks of the kossith homeland, it sounds quite settled.

The Qunari's Viking thing? Pardon?

I mean, I drool over the Arishok AND surprisingly hygienic Norse raiders. But I don't really see any connection.

For the Qunari/kossith having originally been slaves thing, it's worth noting that their religion was animistic before the Qun.

[Arlee]

This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this game, Flemeth's story comes to a head-- she knew that Solas would summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods... yet Solas has slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it. He was once her oldest friend, but she knows that in his drive to restore the elven people he will kill anyone-- even her. She intends to let him have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession."

 

Ok, so that still seems to indicate to me that she doesn't oppose what Solas wants to do. The question is can her godhood be separated from her power? If not, I would say Solas definitely has all of Mythal now (and could if he chose to control the person who drank from the well) and will later pass that on to Morrigan if she ever gets to the point where she would be willing.

[Willow_Elessidil]

I don't recognize this scene. Is it player made? 
Or is it just not familiar because the graphics on my xbox are crap?

 

Yeah, flycam is awesome, I have more stuff to upload later. xD

[Kappa Neko]

Also... Par Vollen Pyramids. The F*** is up with that?  It's like the Qunari were Spaniards waltzing into Thedas' Aztec/ Incan Empire. 
 

I dunno... this means something, but what? WHAT?!

I've only just started my second playthrough where I want to take notes and then I need to play DAO and DA2 again because I remember only the bare bones. So at my rate, I'll have a theory when DA4 comes out. Maybe.

 

EDIT: See, I forgot already, maybe the whole Anubis theme does work. I'm not sure, I must investigate that at some point... I'm not sure yet which of the crazy theories I believe.

[Janic99]

Is there somewhere to read all of the lore regarding the elven history? I've only seen the wiki page and it gives what feels like snippets of a very large story.

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There is precious little we know about Fen'Harel, for they say he did not care for our people. Elgar'nan and Mythal created the world as we know it, Andruil taught us the Ways of the Hunter, Sylaise and June gave us fire and crafting, but Fen'Harel kept to himself and plotted the betrayal of all the gods. And after the destruction of Arlathan, when the gods could no longer hear our prayers, it is said that Fen'Harel spent centuries in a far corner of the earth, giggling madly and hugging himself in glee.

The legend says that before the fall of Arlathan, the gods we know and revere fought an endless war with others of their kind. There is not a hahren among us who remembers these others: Only in dreams do we hear whispered the names of Geldauran and Daern'thal and Anaris, for they are the Forgotten Ones, the gods of terror and malice, spite and pestilence. In ancient times, only Fen'Harel could walk without fear among both our gods and the Forgotten Ones, for although he is kin to the gods of the People, the Forgotten Ones knew of his cunning ways and saw him as one of their own.

And that is how Fen'Harel tricked them. Our gods saw him as a brother, and they trusted him when he said that they must keep to the heavens while he arranged a truce. And the Forgotten Ones trusted him also when he said he would arrange for the defeat of our gods, if only the Forgotten Ones would return to the abyss for a time. They trusted Fen'Harel, and they were all of them betrayed. And Fen'Harel sealed them away so they could never again walk among the People.

--From "the Tale of Fen'Harel's Triumph," as told by Gisharel, keeper of the Ralaferin clan of the Dalish elves.

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In ancient times, only Fen'Harel could walk without fear among both our gods and the Forgotten Ones, for although he is kin to the gods of the People, the Forgotten Ones knew of his cunning ways and saw him as one of their own. And that is how Fen'Harel tricked them. Our gods saw him as a brother, and they trusted him when he said that they must keep to the heavens while he arranged a truce. And the Forgotten Ones trusted him also when he said he would arrange for the defeat of our gods, if only the Forgotten Ones would return to the abyss for a time. They trusted Fen'Harel, and they were all of them betrayed. And FenHarel sealed them away so they could never again walk among the People.

—From Codex entry: Fen'Harel: The Dread Wolf
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Background Edit
Fen'Harel (pronounced fenn-HARR-ell) is also known as the Dread Wolf, He Who Hunts Alone,[1] Lord of Tricksters[2], The Great Wolf[3], Roamer of the Beyond and Bringer of Nightmares. He was known as kin to both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones. His supposed betrayal of both clans of gods by sealing them away in their respective realms, never again to interact with the mortal world, is sometimes used to explain why the elven gods--particularly the benevolent Creators--did not intervene to prevent the fall of Arlathan.[4] Indeed, Fen'Harel has allegedly never been fond of the elven people[5] and is said to have spent centuries in a far corner of the earth after his great deception, hugging himself and giggling madly in glee.[6]

The Betrayal Edit
The deceit of Fen'Harel itself--known as the Great Betrayal--is sometimes described as a truce suggested by the Dread Wolf,[7] and other times as a hunt by the Creators and Forgotten Ones in the Heavens and the Abyss, respectively, for a blade Fen'Harel promised would stop a war.[8] It may even have been a bid by Fen'Harel to rule the Fade--or even Elvhenan itself--without the interference of the other elven gods.[9]

Splr dai
“Whatever we were before, we are now the Inquisition.” — The Inquisitor
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Relationship with mortals Edit
Object-FenHarel Statue 2
A statue of Fen'Harel, the "Dread Wolf," found at a Dalish campsite.
“When did I say that I would save you?” ―Fen'Harel
Dalish elves generally consider Fen'Harel an evil god.[11] In the past, however, it is said that the Dread Wolf was called upon by elves for aid and advice in various matters...but always with a price. In spite of this, offerings of thanks were often given for Fen'Harel's help as he did follow through on promises of aid, if in an unorthodox manner. Since the fall of Arlathan, however, this practice has understandably fallen out of favor as a rule. In the modern day, statues of Fen'Harel are set facing away from any Dalish camp, as a reminder that the Dalish must always be wary, or else to protect against evil spirits.[12] Furthermore, Keepers wear rings of sylvanwood depicting Fen'Harel's betrayal of the elven gods as a reminder of their duty to protect their clan from him.[13]

Despite this wariness, Fen'Harel is reputed by the Dalish to continue to interact with elves, sporting with them or dispensing dark knowledge at his whim.[14] He is also said to gleefully patrol the Fade, feasting on the souls of the dead.[15]

In spite of Fen’Harel’s reputation, however, he has been known to be invoked by Dalish elves to express dismay at unexpected events ("By the Dread Wolf!"), to demand the annihilation of an enemy (“Dread Wolf take you!”), when all seems lost,[16] and as a wary farewell (“May the Dread Wolf never hear your steps”). Furthermore, some Dalish elves still erect shrines to him and make offerings; perhaps as a form of appeasement, but still a sign that the fearful wariness in which the Dread Wolf is held by modern-day elves is not absolute.[17]

Indeed, according to David Gaider, Dalish elves do still honor Fen'Harel in their own way; it is simply not the same as how the other gods are worshipped. Dalish elves do not bring statues of him with them as they might do with those of the Creators, as his always remain outside elven camps and nevertheless remain a way to honor him no matter where they are. Therefore, Fen'Harel's statues remain common in the Dales at large in any place outside of a Dalish settlement, explaining their comparative ubiquity.[18]


Splr dar
“Victory is in the Qun.” — Tallis
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Fen'Harel is mentioned as well in the uncommon text The Emergent Compendium.

Splr tme
“I have no wish to discuss our family's bloody history. I know it quite well, thank you.” — Empress Celene
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Dragon Age: Inquisition Edit
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Fables of the Dread Wolf Edit
The courser and the wolf Edit
"You know what the Dalish say to their dogs? “Take the Dread Wolf by the ear if he comes.""
"Long ago, a clan lived on the Silent Plains. It was a terrible, lonely place where the sun was forbidden to shine. Their Keeper had a coursing hound. They had run down deer and hares and wolves together when they were young. But they had grown old together, Keeper and hound, and now only dozed before the campfire, dreaming of hunts."
"But then the Dread Wolf came, for the Keeper was wise and kind—the things Fen’Harel hates above all else. At night, he tried to steal into the Keeper’s dreams, to twist his mind and turn him against the People. But even in dreams, the courser guarded his master. He caught the Dread Wolf’s scent and gave chase across the Fade."
"Fen’Harel tried to shake his pursuer, but the hound ran as coursers can only run in their dreams. Even the wind couldn’t have fled that hound. He ran the Dread Wolf down and grabbed him by the tail! Fen’Harel howled, so loud that the Veil shook and even the stars scattered in fear. But the hound wouldn’t let go."
"Neither hound nor Wolf gave in. Finally, Fen’Harel bit off his own tail to escape, and away he fled. Ever since, the Dread Wolf thinks twice about playing his tricks when dogs are on guard."
—Merrill, First of the Sabrae Clan[22]
The slow arrow Edit
The god Fen'Harel was asked by a village to kill a great beast. He came to the beast at dawn, and saw its strength, and knew it would slay him if he fought it. So instead, he shot an arrow up into the sky. The villagers asked Fen'Harel how he would save them, and he said to them, 'When did I say that I would save you?' And he left, and the great beast came into the village that night and killed the warriors, and the women, and the elders. It came to the children and opened its great maw, but then the arrow that Fen'Harel had loosed fell from the sky into the great beast's mouth, and killed it. The children of the village wept for their parents and elders, but still they made an offering to Fen'Harel of thanks, for he had done what the villagers had asked. He had killed the beast, with his cunning, and a slow arrow that the beast never noticed.
--Felassan, to Briala[23]
The noble and the Dread Wolf Edit
Felassan: "There was a young noble in fair Arlathan, and it happened that the elven king lost one of his two daughters to a serpent's bite. At the ceremony to commemorate her life, the young noble saw an elven lady so fair and perfect that his heart broke--but by the laws of ancient Arlathan, he was forbidden to speak with her during the ceremony, and he did not learn who she was, so he could not ask her family to court her. The young noble prayed to the gods that he might meet the elven lady again. He prayed to Mythal for love, and Dirthamen for the secret of the elven lady's name, and to Andruil for luck in the hunt for this woman. And finally, he made an offering to Fen'Harel...and the Dread Wolf was the only one who answered. In a dream that night, he told the noble what he needed to do to see his heart's love again. Do you know what he said?"
Briala: "Kill the king's other daughter."[24]
Fen'Harel and the tree Edit
"In the story, Fen'Harel was captured by the hunting goddess, Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the halla without her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back. But as she made camp that night, the dark god Anaris found them, and Anaris swore that he would kill Fen'Harel for crimes against the Forgotten Ones. Andruil and Anaris decided that they would duel for the right to claim Fen'Harel.
He called out to Anaris during the fight and told him of a flaw in Andruil's armor just above the hip, and Anaris stabbed Andruil in the side, and she fell. Then Fen'Harel told Anaris that he owed the Dread Wolf for the victory and ought to get his freedom. Anaris was so affronted by Fen'Harel's audacity that he turned and shouted insults at the prisoner, and so he did not see Andruil, injured but alive, rise behind him and attack with her great bow. Anaris fell with a golden arrow in his back, badly injured, and while both gods slumbered to heal their wounds, Fen'Harel chewed through his ropes and escaped."
--Felassan, to Briala[25]
See also Edit
Ico dagger Fang
Plot item DA2 Sylvanwood Ring
Amulet gold DA2 Fen'Harel's Tooth
Mask of Fen'Harel
Codex icon DAI Codex entry: The Rebel God
Codex icon DAI Codex entry: Constellation: Fenrir

Trivia Edit
Dalish elves sometimes practice a savage game with human prisoners called "Fen'Harel's Teeth," wherein a prisoner's clothes are taken and their hands lashed together. The prisoner is given hard leather leggings with small nails driven into them to cause pain, and given a hundred-count head start before the clan gives chase.[26]
The Emprise Du Lion region used to be a part of the Dales, and so retains a few elven artifacts that have not been destroyed. Of the few that remain, many are statues of wolves, to which passing Dalish clans make offerings of flowers.[27]

all the stuff I heard and read of him plus all the things he says in the game. I played the game multiple times yet I have these theories to been watched and I think these make somehow sense as I made my own theory too: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxJAqfo6R4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv5Dia9fX3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkT8Pza89MA

 

[Siha]

You write too much... too fast... can't you... can I have this thread as an audiobook? Or we split it into different threads, so I can at least keep connected ideas somehow... connected... sort of? Aaahhh

[Avejajed]

To be honest, the wiki is a hot mess and it doesn't connect Codex entries to other relevant codex entries very well, if at all. One I can think of off the top of my head that was lacking any connections to other codex entry wiki pages at the time was The Guide of Falon'Din. Took me forever to find it because I couldn't remember the exact codex entry by name. Which that wiki pretty much insists you do.

 

Maybe this needs to be a Solas-threadwide project.

 

Where we can theorycraft all information in one place.

[vierrae]

She certainly does not seem to... as she seemed when either you or her had to drink from well to be only power hungry.. honestly.. after you decide to drink from it she acts so bitchy. I hate it because you can see that she wanted that power for something else too after the breach is closed.. she is so ignorant.. does not never seem to want to know the whole story or a thing about everything or have a doubt. She seems like a person that '' BECAUSE I THINK IT IS LIKE THIS IT MUST BE ''

 

Yet she agrees if she is mistaken but she does not think things further the way she should.. sadly. 

Nah, she's just sketchy around details and avoids telling the whole truth, like someone we all know. And, like she said, she just wants to preserve what once was. I picture her romantic like that, yeah. Morrigan is well-versed in elven lore, it's not her fault, the lore itself is glitchy.

But because of her survival instincts, harsh childhood experience and overall psychological trauma she wants her mother dead. Oh well. And, in my opinion, old habits die hard, she won't change her mind, even after plot-twist-dances and astonishings revelations. 

[Avejajed]

You write too much... too fast... can't you... can I have this thread as an audiobook? Or we split it into different threads, so I can at least keep connected ideas somehow... connected... sort of? Aaahhh

 

 

NO.

KEEP UP.

 

This is a joke.