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[Sable Rhapsody]

Um... because reasons?

No, really, this woman just doesn't trust anyone. And she's convinced Quizzie is not capable of dealing with the Well's power, since she lacks knowlege.

 

Quizzy lacks knowledge, but as much as I adore Morrigan to little bits, I feel like she's the epitome of the character with high intelligence and mediocre wisdom, to put it in old-school RPG terms.  She knows a lot of things, but quizzy has much more common sense.  Even if you have the arcane knowledge perk and warn her about the geas, she's like "Meh.  It'll be FINE."  And my Lavellan just looked at her and said, "OK, weird witch lady.  Your goddamn funeral."

[Janic99]

Um... because reasons?

No, really, this woman just doesn't trust anyone. And she's convinced Quizzie is not capable of dealing with the Well's power, since she lacks knowlege.

Well I do not care about her trusting to people myself because I did not like her even in the first game. Yet in a place like that she should have told to your inquisitor. She must be stupid to think only her ends of not telling to a person that is the only way of her staying alive.. blah I don't honestly want to think about Morrigan more because I do not see a reason for her actions yet. They lack too much.. Maybe later.

[AryBoBary]

 

 

 

a nice sketch but can I ask.. why wanted to draw him with hair ? 

 

 

I wanted to capture the "hot-blooded and cocky" elf, Solas mentions.  Also, there are a couple of really good fics out there (Crystal White, Path of the Dreamwalker to name two), both featuring a Solas'harel with a mane of luxurious locks.  I find it sexy as hell.  I like our egghead either way, just to be clear. 

[vierrae]

Quizzy lacks knowledge, but as much as I adore Morrigan to little bits, I feel like she's the epitome of the character with high intelligence and mediocre wisdom, to put it in old-school RPG terms.  She knows a lot of things, but quizzy has much more common sense.  Even if you have the arcane knowledge perk and warn her about the geas, she's like "Meh.  It'll be FINE."  And my Lavellan just looked at her and said, "OK, weird witch lady.  Your goddamn funeral."

Growing alone in the Wilds will do that 8 WIS to you, but I concur.

Darn it, It's time to go to sleep, but here you go again, guys, with all amazing theories and stuff...

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[HurricaneGinger]

Quizzy lacks knowledge, but as much as I adore Morrigan to little bits, I feel like she's the epitome of the character with high intelligence and mediocre wisdom, to put it in old-school RPG terms.  She knows a lot of things, but quizzy has much more common sense.  Even if you have the arcane knowledge perk and warn her about the geas, she's like "Meh.  It'll be FINE."  And my Lavellan just looked at her and said, "OK, weird witch lady.  Your goddamn funeral."

 

Out of likes, so quote. XD My Lavellan gave her an earful later, pretty much telling Morrigan she will find and kill her if the Well's power is misused in any way. Morrigan would give a snarky comment, Terrwyn would blast her, make her make that promise, then leave it alone until proven otherwise.

[Giton]

So, I've never posted on a forum. But.

 

I just finished my first (sans spoiler) play through last night. So I found my way here.

 

The romance broke me. And I am 29. I am old. What is this? What happened?

 

Also, wild guess at who I ended up being my grey warden. And what happened to my clan.

 

Also, I think I broke Leliana.

 

At least Dorian loves me? 

[Oswin]

But unlike them Solas leaves, immediately :<

Everybody stayed post game for me, Dorian didn't want to leave his bestandonly friend, Cole wanted to help, Varric stays for a while, Iron Bull feels like he can find big fights with me, so he stays etc etc. Solas leaving is what cranked up the heartbroken meter even in my first PT (female dwarf Quizzy) </3.

 

That's because Solas has basically done the DA equivalent of realising he left the oven on back home 

I find it completely understandable though. Everyone is celebrating and happy because the world is saved, but for him? It's come crashing down around him and he has to start fixing it. He's hardly going to want to celebrate, and if you were to query why. Ah. Where would he even begin? That revelation deserves more than a quick chat at a banquet. It deserves it's OWN GAME RIGHT THIS SECOND. *cough* ahem.

 

At least he leaves you on screen. You just know the other guys will leave you offscreen. Look at all the friends and lovers Hawke and The Warden are surrounded by! Yay! Aha...*sob*

heh, and Dorian always says he'll stay 'because there's no you in Tevinter' and then I talk to him post game and it's all 'lol nope, bye'   No one loves me in BW games.

[Renmiri1]

35 pages to catch up with the Sera thread, let's go Wolf lovers!

[BoscoBread]

Quizzy lacks knowledge, but as much as I adore Morrigan to little bits, I feel like she's the epitome of the character with high intelligence and mediocre wisdom, to put it in old-school RPG terms.  She knows a lot of things, but quizzy has much more common sense.  Even if you have the arcane knowledge perk and warn her about the geas, she's like "Meh.  It'll be FINE."  And my Lavellan just looked at her and said, "OK, weird witch lady.  Your goddamn funeral."

I love Morrigan but she really needs someone balancing her out - like the Warden.  The Warden is her BFF in my canon playthrough.  I wish my Warden would have been there. She would have been all "Morrigan, No."   And Morrigan would have looked pained, affronted and said some snide comments under her breath but in the end knew my Warden was right because she actually really cares what the Warden thinks of her.  I made the decision not to drink, but I kind of wish there was a decision to destroy it. 

 

I wish we could get a reunion with the DA:O gang A LA citadel.  WOULD BUY.

[Shari'El]

That's because Solas has basically done the DA equivalent of realising he left the oven on back home 

I find it completely understandable though. Everyone is celebrating and happy because the world is saved, but for him? It's come crashing down around him and he has to start fixing it. He's hardly going to want to celebrate, and if you were to query why. Ah. Where would he even begin? That revelation deserves more than a quick chat at a banquet. It deserves it's OWN GAME RIGHT THIS SECOND. *cough* ahem.

 

At least he leaves you on screen. You just know the other guys will leave you offscreen. Look at all the friends and lovers Hawke and The Warden are surrounded by! Yay! Aha...*sob*

heh, and Dorian always says he'll stay 'because there's no you in Tevinter' and then I talk to him post game and it's all 'lol nope, bye'   No one loves me in BW games.

 

Perhaps it's bugged?

Like I have tons of bugs in post game, Cole's post game speech (with Solas talking through him) didn't trigger, Blackwall was gone, Vivienne & her entireeee furniture were gone. These things only worked after I returned to Skyhold a second time.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Out of likes, so quote. XD My Lavellan gave her an earful later, pretty much telling Morrigan she will find and kill her if the Well's power is misused in any way. Morrigan would give a snarky comment, Terrwyn would blast her, make her make that promise, then leave it alone until proven otherwise.

 

My Lavellan didn't have the heart to yell at her about the Well after the whole Flemythal-and-Kieran incident   She may not have the context that the Warden (and by extension the player) has, but from the way they interact, it's obvious even to the densest quizzy how much bad blood there is between them.  I think she decided that the horrible revelation of Morrigan being bound to Flemeth was punishment enough for her hubris.

 

Of course, it's anybody's guess how that'll suss out after the stinger with Solas and Flemeth.  But I'm just glad that it wasn't my quizzy who drank from the Well.  She's deep enough into that mess by virtue of the Anchor and romancing Solas; she doesn't need a geas on top of all that.

[_Lucinia]

That's what I like about the thread, too, which is why I'm confused when people say we're "tiptoeing around things" in order to not offend others... :S There have been a few times when people have gone too far one way or the other, but things have always ended up balancing out in the end, I think? Sometimes we have to come up with compromises, but I don't think that's because we're afraid of offending people--we would just prefer not to, because we respect each other enough to not want to intentionally offend each other.

 

Am I completely crazy, or is that not how the thread has been? (This is a serious question--I thought I'd read every page of the thread, but it's entirely possible I missed some weird shift over to something completely different, and I am confused now.)

I'm still catching up on the thread.  I know the conversation has shifted from this.  But I just wanted to say that was how I saw it too.  The chart was funny.  I think it was a good way to make light of the 1-2 incidents that happened in the last week.  I honestly didn't think that the thread was cycling that often between those things though.

 

And me too, I read pretty much every page.  I catch up on what I missed when I have my morning/afternoon coffee.  I didn't think we had stuff like this happen that often. (I was unfortunate to be there when things got heated)

 

Anyways, this thread has people from all walks of life contributing to it.  I think we do pretty good.  I've been posting here daily non-stop since the game came out.  And the only heated moments I can recall were the recent ones.  I think that maybe because this thread is normally sunshine and rainbows it's made the (recent) disagreements feel a lot worse than they were.  Some people are tiptoeing, but I think that's because they think they're not allowed to post certain things anymore (which is a misunderstanding of what that issue actually was).  And no one wants to upset anyone.  

 

Just think about all the different types of people we have contributing, that participate for vastly different reasons.  We're awesome.  We are a melting pot of different cultures, sexualities, and belief systems.  We're not perfect, but the mutual respect has been incredible if you ask me.  To have this many different outlooks contributing in one, very busy, thread and it stays civil?  Unheard of in this internet age.  We should give ourselves some credit.  And a pat on the back.

[BoscoBread]

My Lavellan didn't have the heart to yell at her about the Well after the whole Flemythal-and-Kieran incident   She may not have the context that the Warden (and by extension the player) has, but from the way they interact, it's obvious even to the densest quizzy how much bad blood there is between them.  I think she decided that the horrible revelation of Morrigan being bound to Flemeth was punishment enough for her hubris.

 

Of course, it's anybody's guess how that'll suss out after the stinger with Solas and Flemeth.  But I'm just glad that it wasn't my quizzy who drank from the Well.  She's deep enough into that mess by virtue of the Anchor and romancing Solas; she doesn't need a geas on top of all that.

Can we talk about how powerful that scene is.  Between Flemeth and Morrigan.  About being mothers.  It was kind of simple if you compare to books/movies, but there are so FEW games that actually deal with motherhood.  I almost teared up at Flemeth's expression when Morrigan just spat back at her about what a horrible mother she thought she was. 

I am wondering how she will be when she finds out what happened with Solas.

[AryBoBary]

Whoa, top of page?  I can remedy this...

 

 

*takes shallow breaths* the feels, are, so many...

 

I LOVE his dread locks. I am so putting those on him the second the mod team figures out how to insert meshes into the game. I GET why they made him bald - it helped him appear more genuine, sweet, easy to look over. It makes him knowledgeable but approachable. Ageless. It was an excellent call and I agree that the concept design team made the right choice.

Imagine an apostate elf with HIS backstory walking around with a half-shaved head and dreads? Definitely would make you question a little more and it'd make him seem younger, even if he wasn't. 

But I am still going to mod those in. Because... I like it. That's really all I got. And I'm TOTALLY that girl who modded Zevran into having dark, short hair because his long blonde locks just didn't suit the Antonio Banderas vibe I had in my  head. In fact, I played the game with that mod so many times that when Zevran showed up in DA2 I spent the first two minutes asking myself who the hell this guy even was.

 

TAKE MY LIKES!!! 

 

Also, I modded Zevran to be dark-haired too!  And Alistair....  The only blonde I kept blonde was my character (because I'm boring and never deviate from a fair-haired hero) and Anders.  But I even modded him to appear MORE blonde.

 

AGH I JUST WANT ALL THE MODS FOR THIS GAME ALREADY! xD

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Sable Rhapsody]

Can we talk about how powerful that scene is.  Between Flemeth and Morrigan.  About being mothers.  It was kind of simple if you compare to books/movies, but there are so FEW games that actually deal with motherhood.  I almost teared up at Flemeth's expression when Morrigan just spat back at her about what a horrible mother she thought she was. 

I am wondering how she will be when she finds out what happened with Solas.

 

I legit almost cried too.  They might be powerful witches with mysterious agendas and an abundance of lore surrounding them, but they're just people.  They hurt, and they feel.  TBH the same can be said for Solas; whatever else he may be, whatever he's done, he's a person, and for me BioWare's games are the most powerful when they hit that universal chord of humanity.

 

Also, don't know if you guys knew this, but Kieran is voiced by Claudia Black's IRL son, Odin Black.  So sweet 

[Janic99]

I will go to sleep now since it is late here in Europe and I am tired cause I could not sleep last night * coughing * I am sick so good night wolf pack! See you tomorrow!

[Sifr]

Well the Qun literally goes against every possible thing Solas stands for. There is no other philosophy that so completely rejects free will and free thought. Those are everything to Solas, and are worth everything and anything.

 

Just to weigh in on this, if you actually look at the excerpts from the Tome of Koslun, while it praises the value of finding order in a chaotic world, it also embraces the virtues of free will, free thought and finding ones own path and destiny. It also has Koslun reflect that it's within our power to make or destroy the world, something both Morrigan said in the Fire's Above trailer and Mother Giselle echoes when you first meet her about the Inquisition. Furthermore, the concept of asit tal-eb, shows that they don't look down on suicide, as they see existence as a choice and one that can be refused.

 

It seems however that over the centuries, this philosophy has been perverted into as much a fantatical dogma as the Chant of Light, so free will is now seen only as acceptance or refusal of one's duty that must be corrected and that rather than find one's own path and destiny, you will be assigned a destiny and path and you will like it.

 

It seems ironic that the kind of self-reflection, meditation and free thinking that Koslun practiced and which he used to found the Qunari society, would likely lead to his being re-educated under the modern Qun for what advocating what is essentially a counterculture movement. Compared to the kossith society he was in at the time, it definitely was against the establishment (which the Qunari hate) and would have made him a political dissident.

 

(Also, does anyone else notice that in his story, he meditates in a desert and that's when he first gains the idea for the Qun... which makes me wonder if he might have actually been dreaming and been influenced by dreamers and/or the denizens of the Fade?)

[Kappa Neko]

I actually see Solas as a wiser, more competent version of Morrigan who has a much better grip on his emotions and far better intuition.

Morrigan's had a lot of 'Stupid Evil' moments throughout her screentime, as well as intelligent ones. Being raised by a cackling elf god riding shotgun in a cackling apostate troll-grandmaster tends to have that effect. She's rather arrogant about her knowledge of ancient magic and elf language. Solas corrects her and she gets indignant. Solas is contemptuous, but honestly, I would too if I was a god and someone was boasting about how much they knew while getting so much wrong.

Inquisition lets us see one of her biggest mistakes, (Dismissing Mythal as either dead or non-existent, then accidentally binding herself to the one person she was trying to flee.) I loved that Inquisition showed us Morrigan completely screwing up, as well as standing up to Flemeth and having great moments. She's one of my all-time favorite Bioware characters along with Solas.

Solas is definitely the more radical one, though.

I guess a lot of this is just me getting bored of making fun of Solas for being Hawke x10 when it comes to screwing up.  We don't know what he actually did. We just have wonderful theories. It seems like Cole supports him as being right, whatever it was.

Then again, the 'you did it because you had to, not to be right. But you were right,' suggests he was being kind of an arrogant know-it-all about it. 

I kinda see Solas as a much older, more experienced version of Morrigan that was defined by his allegiance with his mother figure Mythal instead of his rebellion. (Ironically.) A version of Morrigan who had to do much darker deeds.

Definitely in agreement about the Solas Leliana parallels.

I also despise time travel outside of Doctor Who, and even then it can wear on my patience. But it's the best way of looking at real I've seen so far, which worries me.

Then again it will all be worth it if we can travel back in time to mess with the Dread(Locked) Wolf, Mythal, and Solas all at the same time.

We will not speak of time travel again, ok?! I'm totally paranoid about it now. If such a thing is possible, then surely this must be a big thing? They can't just casually introduce it and then forget about it. Really nervous now that you're right... how I hate it when the big "twist" is that it's all a dream, which is the same thing as an alternative future. Or maybe the fade is reality and everyone we know are the spirits. Ugh. I'll just have faith in Bioware...

Solas has to be wiser by default having been alive that long. He has all the knowledge from experience. But Morrigan is a smart cookie too and she's about the only human in Thedas who has even a inkling about what's going on. I don't know how much Flemeth told her. Of course she looks like a fool compared to Solas when it comes to the elves.

Yeah, the Temple of Mythal was sweet sweet irony. Such a great scene. Morrigan got what she deserved by drinking from the well, I guess. She got it so very wrong. But Solas messed up big time too twice. Of course we do not know exactly what happened yet and can't really tell how stupid it was to give Cory the orb, that is true. He failed to do what he had in mind, though.

Morrigan has an air of innocence about her, I agree. Despite her cunning nature and scathing remarks, there is something soft about her. I can't even say why.

 

Morrigan and Solas seem to have a lot of parallels between one another. They both have close ties of Flemeth, and the implication from the developer notes is that both of them have been factored into Mythal's long term plan. The sense I get is that Solas is the weapon- the thing Mythal intends to throw at her enemies. Morrigan is the future- the person she intends to carry on her role after it is all over. 

Yeah, I see them as Mythal's rebellious children. She has a plan for them both, she's pulling all the strings in the background it seems. How things will develop now that Mythal is in Solas, I have no idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if she plays him too in some way. Morrigan was right to mistrust her. I would not want the gift of godhood. It's not really that different from what she thought initially. The intent is different, but the result would still change her forever, no? Morrigan would become somebody else. Solas might be the blind naive one about Mythal due to the bond they once had... I don't trust a vengeful god at all. Mythal might have been the protective mother of Thedas once, but her betrayal seems to have corrupted her a bit. She seems so wise and calm, but I'm wary. Maybe Morrigan and Solas need to stop her together at the end and then you have to decide which of her children you support to carry on shaping the world, Solas or Morrigan...

 

 

[Sashimi_taco]

I love your theories but what do you think of the fact that.. 

when Solas says to inquisitor that the explosion of unlocking the power should have killed the elder one. Also it should have sort of killed you right? and in the beginning they say that the mark is killing inquisitor.. she should have been dead as everyone says.. maybe the power might be killing her slowly? As Solas says: You were never gonna wake up... a mortal send through the fade.. how could you?  I was fightened.. frustrated... ( he was scared that she would have died and was sitting beside her because he could have been the only one able to stabilize the power since it was his orb and his powers inside the orb. He said that he was too weak to unlock the power after his slumber which makes sense a lot. He was able to keep the anchor from killing her though he is not telling it to other members because obiviously if he would have told them being a dread wolf.. an ancient elvhen god... who could have believed him.. also if someone would have.. the reaction that they could have gotten. It is understandable that he did not tell who he was and lied at some parts because he had a goal.. he always thinks the greater good and you can see it through the game. Still he admits that when he was younger he was arrogant and rebellious. Maybe he was young and naive and had strong opinions about things and rebelled because of that against something but really wanted the good.. yet because he was young and did not think more further his goal basically failed and he did a great mistake. It seems like that because he really seems to regret his past and he wants to correct everything.. he seems to want to help yet he does not now if he would die in the process or danger lavellan and that is the reason he leaves you and says to you that when lavellan says that she could help him to achieve whatever he needs together and he says '' no we can't.. you will see ''.

First of all. He did a huge mistake when he was still young which he regrets. He lied to lavellan because he had to. He let himself to fall in love with a mortal since he is thousands of years of old. Maybe the orbs power might also be still killing her? He was the one to be able to stabilize it? Maybe he seeks to undo his mistake and let lavellan live.. maybe as immortal as he is. He loves her and does not want anything bad happening to her or include her in his mistake. Because he is so uncertain and knows that lavellan has fell in love with someone else and not the actual dread wolf because he never told her who he was.. he just.. lied his way I mean his never acted just.. did not tell her his true self so basically.. lavellan is in love with SOLAS not in love with dread wolf because she does not know the whole truth.. he did not want her to fall in love more deep and find out later and get more hurt. His goals might get him and lavellan both killed.. yet (if you drank from the well) after he takes mythal's powers he probably has to use you and seek your help.. it is pretty obivious. He probably does not want to but he knows he has to because his orb got destroyed and you are now the only one who has partially the power of the orb. I think he might take the power from you to himself somehow to undo what he has done.. to achieve his goals.. in the process you will not die because as a mortal having a such power I would imagine it to be almost impossible. And this is the reason I think it may or may not end tragically. Honestly... if he will die in the process of fixing a mistake he did.. I do not mind as long as the story won't be done as Thane's story. If it is tragic story.. yes my heart will be broken. The story will be still special and if it is well done I will still be.. some way happy yet sad about it.. but no matter how their story ends..  I hope Bioware will do good job this time.. no matter if it will be tragic or not.. maybe they could do it like in mass effect that it depends? Or like that you can try both? I don't know.. but yeah.. these are things I am currently wondering.. please all give me your opinions ( I am not saying things will be like this just guessing some possibilities and how I think it could actually be. Sorry about my English I am from Finland and English is not my native language so I know I have multiple issues there.. I apologize)

 

I actually think that Solas, despite feeling bad that he lied Lavellan, thinks she she loves who he really is. She isn't enamored with his powers or reputation. She fell in love with a weak apostate mage with nothing to his name. It's a very magical version of "coming to america". And sometimes when you realize someone really loves you, it can hurt way more. And can be really confusing. Especially for someone as flawed as Solas. 

 

As for how it will end, I have no idea. I think they will meet again. And it's going to be something passionate and painful. I just want Solas to have a happy ending no matter what, but i'm not sure Weekes will let that happen. Even if he can't be with Lavellan, I want him to be at peace. 

 

They are always going to be connected because Lavellan has the last of his power. I know this is going to play into his story line somehow. And I think at one point she is going to have the option to give him what he wants, or deny him that. And that option will either save his soul or doom it. But in that moment you wont know which decision does what. 

 

Personally, I think the only happy ending would be if Solas would have no powers anymore. Just a normal mage with the ability to walk the fade. All his work and plans are what make him so unhappy. If he would just let that go and let himself be with Lavellan. Lose his immortality and work with her for a future. I think finally when he actually lives a life he will be happy. Growing old and sharing aging with someone else and finally not dying alone in bed in the arms of Lavellan would be his happy ending. 

[Kappa Neko]

The Par Vollen pyramids give me much more of a Mesoamerican vibe than an Egyptian one. They're set up in a jungle, and are not giant tombs for proclaimed god-kings. Probably a center of religion, government. Possible parallels with sacrifice and blood magic? What Theodosian civilization is complete without it? It's interesting that while most humans left Par Vollen as 'barbarians', some remained in Par Vollen and prospered. Just how old are the pyramids?

And how do the damn Fex fit into all of this?!

Ah, yes, I must have overlooked the jungle part. Sorry. Good old blood sacrifice...

[DrTeatime]

Anyone want a high-res pic of Solas' lips?

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[AryBoBary]

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Fantastic.  I ran out of likes, so have this instead. 

 

I'm so eager for DLC after being obsessed with all this theorizing and fanfic and fanart... 

[Rabbitonfire]

Anyone want a high-res pic of Solas' lips?

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Not sure if particle cleft chin or a scar on chin...