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[mythlover20]

Does anyone have the BSN link for Crystal White handy? I seem to have lost it and I think I'm a few chapters behind by now.

NVM I was thinking of another time travelling fic I can't remember the name of. Sorry loves!

[Hedinve]

http://archiveofouro...hapters/6891544

[Farangbaa]

We need a dwarven perspective. What is special about the dwarven perspective? In the game, they make it sound like it's a unique trait. How is it different from an analystic person of another race?

They don't dream.

Which makes them super down to earth.

*cough*. No pun intended, I swear.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dread Wolf take me.  I've been listening to this on loop for the last hour while writing Fade fanfiction, and now I have literally all the feels.

 

 

I think I'm starting to understand what Patrick Weekes was talking about, the temporary insanity that comes from writing too much spirit/Fade stuff.  It's definitely time for bed.

[Rabbitonfire]

You could ask the same about any perspective. Elvhen. Human. Qunari. What's so special about them? How is it different from a person of any other race?

 

It's special because it's special to the people who like that race; who like looking through that point of view; who like being them.

 

I'm playing a dwarf now (after putting it off for a week; Solas messed me up bad) and I'm having a ball.

I mean Dagna mentioned the value of dwarven perspective because she's a dwarf that studies the realm of magic so like an outsider's viewpoint. And the mason (forgot his name) has value due to dwarven architecture who view durable craftsmanship. Possibly due to years of darkspawn?

 

ok yeah, I was figuring out what was special other than lack of cultural ties that the surface races wouldn't see..bias.

[madrar]

*slams her hands on the table*

 

It's 3:30 in the morning, and my likes for the day are already gone.  This is absurd.  

 

Also, though we may not have anything that directly contradicts the time-travel theory, I'm officially tossing the whole thing out of my brain.  You thought you'd seen backlash for ME3?   People would burn the city of Edmonton to the ground.  

 

We've got to give the writers more credit than that.  Jesus.

[Caddius]

*slams her hands on the table*

 

It's 3:30 in the morning, and my likes for the day are already gone.  This is absurd.  

 

Also, though we may not have anything that directly contradicts the time-travel theory, I'm officially tossing the whole thing out of my brain.  You thought you'd seen backlash for ME3?   People would burn the city of Edmonton to the ground.  

 

We've got to give the writers more credit than that.  Jesus.

Solas probably got very interested in time travel when he first heard of it, ran through the implications, and put it in the Dangerous Backlog of Only If Literally Everything Else Fails Including Fermented Fruit Juice Plans.

So yeah, I don't think Bioware will go the time travel route.

But I'm really scared that they will.

[madrar]

Solas probably got very interested in time travel when he first heard of it, ran through the implications, and put it in the Dangerous Backlog of Only If Literally Everything Else Fails Including Fermented Fruit Juice Plans.

So yeah, I don't think Bioware will go the time travel route.

But I'm really scared that they will.

 

Doesn't make sense to me anyway.  From what we can gather in game, rift magic's ability to warp space-time is limited to the span of the initial rift itself.  Can't be used in reaction to Something Terrible Happening to prevent it from doing so, because the event logically occurs before the rift exists.  And since there's no reason to open a rift if Something Terrible Isn't Happening...

 

Logic loop.  No cause, no need for rift.  Have a cause, and rift is pointless.  

 

Also prefer to work from assumption writers are not hacks.  

 

Losing irrelevant language particles.  Must sleep.  

[_Lucinia]

Solas probably got very interested in time travel when he first heard of it, ran through the implications, and put it in the Dangerous Backlog of Only If Literally Everything Else Fails Including Fermented Fruit Juice Plans.

So yeah, I don't think Bioware will go the time travel route.

But I'm really scared that they will.

They would have to contradict or rewrite the "rules" they already established.  Time travel was only possible because of the Breach, and only within the time frame that it existed.  You can't travel back farther than the Breach's existence.  Which was why Alexius ultimately failed.  He could not go back and stop the Inquisitor from being at the Conclave.

 

I might be naive, but I really can't see the DA team changing that.  Maybe I give them too much credit.  I really think the only reason they introduced time magic at all was because it was only for an isolated incident.  So I don't think we have to worry about Dragon Age suddenly jumping the shark because of convoluted time travel plots.

[Kittn]

So, apparantly there's a personal quest for Solas that I have never seen... in 4 runs of DA:I.

Bugger (pun intended)

Speaking of 'What Lies Dormant'. Does this affect the romance in any way?

 

I haven't heard of anyone who has managed to get it to trigger. We know it exists because Mr. Weekes mentioned it on twitter somewhere. It's supposed to trigger once you activate 10 elven artifacts. However, since "Measuring the Veil" doesn't actually track the elven artifacts, it never happens. People suspect it has something to do with the fact that All New, Faded For Her never appears in your completed quests.

 

I suspect it's because Solas is the buggiest character in the game.

 

All companions have at least one fetch quest, at least one adventuring quest, and at least one war table quest. What Lies Dormant is supposed to be Solas' war table quest and I assume it has followup dialogue, but who knows what that is or if romanced lavellan gets special things to say.

 

The bug report at answers HQ seems to have gone ignored, despite having tons of "Me Too"s. You might consider giving it another, and a bump if you haven't already. :3

 

http://answers.ea.co...nt/td-p/4068273

[_Lucinia]

I haven't heard of anyone who has managed to get it to trigger. We know it exists because Mr. Weekes mentioned it on twitter somewhere. It's supposed to trigger once you activate 10 elven artifacts. However, since "Measuring the Veil" doesn't actually track the elven artifacts, it never happens. People suspect it has something to do with the fact that All New, Faded For Her never appears in your completed quests.

 

I suspect it's because Solas is the buggiest character in the game.

 

All companions have at least one fetch quest, at least one adventuring quest, and at least one war table quest. What Lies Dormant is supposed to be Solas' war table quest and I assume it has followup dialogue, but who knows what that is or if romanced lavellan gets special things to say.

 

The bug report at answers HQ seems to have gone ignored, despite having tons of "Me Too"s. You might consider giving it another, and a bump if you haven't already. :3

 

http://answers.ea.co...nt/td-p/4068273

It's more than likely very bugged.  The lack of a response/confirmation is strange though.  Only other thing I can think of is that it was removed for some reason.  But they had already finalized the Prima guide for production so it still appears in there.  Would be nice to know something, either way.  I will second that I have never heard of anyone actually completing it.

[OxidantsHappen]

*clutches her head*

 

Holy crap.  I'm only 50 pages into this World of Thedas thing, and it's not actually giving answers- it's just making massive new piles of questions.  

While I catch up on everything I've missed here, do we have someone around who can talk with me about physics?  Specifically, electromagnetic physics?  I think Cassius has me pegged as the source for these kinds of things, but that really can't be my thing in the overall MechaMordin.  I have a weak grasp on popular science level stuff at best.   I'm actually mostly useless in terms of domain knowledge, since the DA universe's version of Cog Sci theory of consciousness is pretty much "sentient beings have a soul- it exists in the fade and is stuck to your forehead".  

 

Translation: "it's magic".

 

So much for my potential utility.     =w=  

 

Anyway!   What I do remember of highschool physics triggered a weird hunchy thing about Stone Sense and how the movement of dwarves through the Deep Roads (surrounded by lyrium veins) would have "charged them" in a similar way to how iron particles gain magnetic charge passing through an active current- essentially turning them into walking, talking electromagnets.  This held charge would solve three interesting problems we have with Dwarves: their seeming electricity-based connection to the neural brain that is the Stone (Stone Sense), their "shielded" resistance to magic, and the fact that they appear to lose both if they stay on the surface for too long.

 

It also explains how Dagna is able to tap into the Stone's "brain" while tinkering with the lyrium rune.  She inadvertently charges herself- like a single neuron going off, and then losing its synaptic polarity.  Also, potential nifty connection to dwarves-as-red-blood-cells given the ferrous connection, though that makes the immune system analogy a bit weaker. 

 

So, anyway!   Do we have anyone with a firmer grasp on magnetic physics out there?  Or at least someone who remembers highschool physics enough to give the basic idea a yes or no?

 

Whoa.  Also just realized the whole Verric <-> ferric thing.  

 

*buries her head in her hands and laughs*  

 

Gaider is such a dork.

 

Ok, but remember, you asked.

 

So for the most part I really really like your theory! I love drawing scientific parallels between our world and the D.A. world, so I will always add to your theories if I can! One of my majors is biochemistry and we work a lot with nuclear magnetic resonance, so I can only add to your electromagnetic theory based on my knowledge of how it applies to chemistry, not physics.

 

I like how you're thinking of dwarves being charged by the lyrium, but I think the lyrium's effect on the dwarves is something that works over time rather than just a surge in proximity.  So using your electromagnetic approach would be like the magnetic resonance of the nucleus- a good analogy for this is a swing set. In the absence of Bo, the static/external magnetic field, the nucleus would be like a person sitting still on a swing---- at rest.  Sure, you can apply a huge external magnetic field and cause the nucleus to excite and precess around its axis like a stripper at happy hour, but that's not really efficient.  Often times, at least in chemistry, we instead use multiple small RF magnetic fields. So in the swing set analogy, it's usually far more efficient to use multiple small swings to get up to height than to try and get up high on one big swing. So to compare this with lyrium, the lyrium effect in the deep roads I assume would work like a bunch of small applied RF magnetic fields rather than a huge bursting static magnetic field. Kind of like how in Hushed Whispers, you go into the future and the lyrium is growing as a result of proximity, rather than busting out all at once. So the lyrium in the deep roads I assume would work kind of like the red lyrium, to where the effects are cumulative over time as opposed to one large spurt.

 

Also! On your comparison of dwarves to Fe! My first love is chemistry so I can't help but fall in love with you for making this comparison. But it makes sense because lyrium has proven over and over to be detrimental to people's health, and just like how a charged molecule becomes more reactive - it becomes less stable, less "content" if you will. Also, when a molecule becomes charged, it loses electrons, becomes ever so very slightly smaller- like how the lyrium eats away at the mind.

 

I can only add chemistry knowledge to your theories because I know diddly-squat about dwarven lore. And I don't reaallyy think any of my assumptions will be necessarily correct (in-game wise) but it's fun to theorize.

 

And I'm never on the same time-zone as you theory crafters! Curse being in the middle of an ocean.

 

 

EDIT: Top of the Page, Solas art

 

 

Source:  ruxandralache.deviantart.com

[Caddius]

Doesn't make sense to me anyway.  From what we can gather in game, rift magic's ability to warp space-time is limited to the span of the initial rift itself.  Can't be used in reaction to Something Terrible Happening to prevent it from doing so, because the event logically occurs before the rift exists.  And since there's no reason to open a rift if Something Terrible Isn't Happening...

 

Logic loop.  No cause, no need for rift.  Have a cause, and rift is pointless.  

 

Also prefer to work off the assumption writers are not hacks.  

 

Losing irrelevant language particles.  Must sleep.  

You really are part of Team Mordin. 

But yeah, it only being possible during the Breach and apparently having the potential to really mess things up is why I said Solas put it in the 'Post Fermented Fruit Juice' category.

OxcidantsHappen: And you are definitely Mordin. 

[Catriana]

 

Not sure if everyone has seen this already. I just found this fanart of younger Solas recently and I wanted to share it because he's just so hot here , I nearly died on the spot. (and still dying XD)

 

 

 

 

Here's the artist's DA page.

[Sister Squish]

I saw a theory on tumblr I was really digging for the whole rebirth scenario, but I'm unsure If I can find it..

 

Here It is. It seems plausible enough, atleast to me. But we all have our own Headcanon/theories of course.

http://spectreoftheg...uture-isnt-real

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Yeah, we got that covered: 

Spoiler

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2. I believe Solas is telling us the truth. If we look at the themes of DA:I a HUGE part of it was the tendency of common people to deify and elevate those they see with power they do not understand. It happens with the Herald/ Inquisitor no matter how hard you deny it with your own mouth. Everyone, literally EVERYONE (with the exception of Solas), is willing to see you as something more until the sequence in the Fade. Even then, people choose to reject the truth. When analyzing myths and tales of origin within religious narratives, more often than not, they were constructed by the people to explain things they couldn't understand. A person walking physically through the fade? A woman guiding her to safety? Gotta be the spirit of Andraste. This person was sent here to save us! The inquisitor is an elf... welllll... I suppose that shows how far the Herald has risen! YEAH, racism being used to explain how divine you are!

I don't know what Solas' plans are. All we know is that he wishes to rectify a mistake of his past, a mistake so scarring to who he is as an individual, he cannot abandon his efforts to fix it. Cole's party banter with Solas post-break up where he's trying to help Lavellan's and Solas' emotional pain tells us the following: 1) Back when things sang the same, Solas felt an emotional pain - either due to the situation of the elves at that time or due to his actions at the time. 2) Clearly something about the Inquisitor, by being real*, could change everything (even Solas admits this in the Haven scene - he feels the whole world change). 3) "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (Gasps.) Where did it go?" - those who are sealed behind the Eluvians are in uthenera. They're clearly hiding from something they wish to escape, but in doing so they're experiencing pain. The only way to solve THAT pain, which Solas is quick to tell Cole he can't fix, is to awaken them with some sort of MacGuffin we don't have enough information to name or place.

Another Cole-Solas banter hints that Solas envies Cole because Cole can be happy because he can forget people and events and move on without changing his nature. Cole offers Solas two ways to heal the pain of his memory: 1) Remember them. In remembering them, cherishing them as they remain in his memory. 2) Let them go. This could mean "forgetting" them, but I think it has more to do with moving on. Accepting that they once were, but time requires that his mind move down different paths. It's clear that Solas appreciates these offers of help, but refuses to take either path. He remembers them both as they were and as they now are - at one point great, and now in pain. He can't let them go because of his sense of responsibility for the situation, so he can't move on. These are emotional choices Solas himself has made and rejects Cole's solutions. Cole reminds Solas that he souldn't feel guilty because it wasn't about Solas being right or exerting dominance over them, it was about saving them, which was right.

So TL;DR Solas is consumed by guilt at whatever action he did because he is unwilling to relinquish the memories he has of those he sealed, even though the course of action he took was right and it did save them. Knowing what we know about Solas about free will, maybe he feels guilty about what he did because it robbed them of their choice - even if it was self-destruction. Yes, I think he feels shitty about how things went down for the elves as time progressed - I'm sure he had hoped they would have escaped slavery, ignorance, poverty, and servitude. He knows he can't rewind time (dear god please don't let there be anymore time magic in DA.. it's such a mess and never satisfying), but perhaps by bringing these Gods back, the People can regain what was lost. If these Gods self-destruct, it's by their own choice, the very thing Solas feels he robbed from them.

While Solas idolizes a time when the Fade and the Physical World were one, I am unsure if he actually lived it or has only experienced it via memory in the Fade. We have no way of knowing until more information is given. I just question if that's his actual goal because his conversations with Cole seem to point at something else. The rejoining of the Fade to the Physical World, however, might be the fall out of whatever it is he is planning to do, just not the end goal in and of itself.
 

I'll continue the rest in another post or else this will be a terrifying wall of text no one will ever read!

EDIT: *REAL: What does that word even MEAN!? Sometimes I feel that "real" means spiritual to Cole because when he talks to a mage Lavellan he mentions her pulling stuff from the fade and in the process making the physical world more "real", but at others I feel like "real" refers to those that are both spiritual and physical - like himself, Solas, Cassandra, and the Inquisitor. They all (by their nature as spirit-human hybrids or power) exist in some way in both places.

 

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Aha time-travel was totally my first guess! Solas needing to go back and change his "great mistake", creating an alternate timeline where the quiz no longer exists. It would certainly explain him not wanting to see the people he meets as "real", since to him, that timeline shouldn't be real. 

But yeah I think there is a general feeling of "ugh, not time travel again". Also I believe there is a codex during the In Hushed Whispers quest - Alexius journal? - which states that time travel is only possible within the time frame of an open breach. Time-magic drawing on the power of the open breach. So, unless Solas has planned super far in advance and opened a breach however many years ago in order to go back there one day.... 

 

Yeah well... you know how I feel about time travel? EFFF time travel. You know why? It negates... EVERYTHING. As a player who did DA:O, DA2, and DA:I it'd be like laughing at the hours of time, character development, personal growth, and interpersonal relationships we crafted and throwing it in the trash because, "Fade+Physical World is BAMF, yo. Gotta fix my bad choices that resulted in all the fun you had. Your emotional investment to this world is dumb" would.. infuriate me. Infuriate being the biggest understatement conceivable. 

It's my biggest problem with The Prince of Persia movie - I'm totally down with it like a guilty pleasure until the last five minutes. The narrative would have been better had he only been able to go back an hour in time, the consequences of his Uncle still there, at least one sibling alive he can convince, and the Princess retaining her character development. Instead, nope, we retcon everything except the Prince's memories. He knows what happened. He fell in love with her once. They can do it again! But that's stupid. Events make you who you are. Seeing as she hasn't experienced what she has, all of the humility she learned as a result of their journey together is gone. OK. End of Prince of Persia movie rant. Back to DA:I.

I... don't know where I was going. And I don't know what the writer's plans are. BUT IT HAD BETTER NOT BE TIME TRAVEL. 50% of the reason I choose Templars every time with my Lavellan is because in my World State I want Solas to have NO. IDEA. IT. EXISTS. The rest is Fiona made her grave, she deserves to lie in it.

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TL:DR: **** time travel. 

[_Lucinia]

Yeah, we got that covered: 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

TL:DR: **** time travel. 

I don't think that person was talking about time travel.  Talking about frame of mind.  They were talking about Solas' frame of mind with the state the world is in and comparing it to the only point in game that had a situation that would have a similar outlook.  How did the Inquisitor feel in that effed up future?  Now think about Solas.  The future and Leliana weren't 'real' because this was a horrible thing you're trying to prevent.  That's my interpretation, well how what they said came across to me anyways.

[Caddius]

I'm watching a video of the Flemeth Kieran Morrigan scene in the Fade.

Still one of the best scenes. Chills everytime. And a giant nerd-grin.

"I'm sorry mother. I heard her Calling to me."

So Kieran has the soul of an Old God, and Flemethyal can call to him through the Fade/Eluvian?

That's...interesting.

[_Lucinia]

I'm watching a video of the Flemeth Kieran Morrigan scene in the Fade.

Still one of the best scenes. Chills everytime. And a giant nerd-grin.

"I'm sorry mother. I heard her Calling to me."

So Kieran has the soul of an Old God, and Flemethyal can call to him through the Fade/Eluvian?

That's...interesting.

I blink and breathe very little during that scene.  Every time someone brings it up I take advantage to gush about it.  Gives me goosebumps.  I love those two mysterious ladies.  It's just so satisfying to finally see them confront each other, and Morrigan learn some of the truth.  I get a bit verklempt!  They really knocked it out of the park.  When Flemeth starts her line about betrayal, oh man.  Fantastic!

 

 

[LliiraAnna]

I was thinking, and I know that many will disagree, but... can we really find a logical explanation for everything? I mean, magic is magic. It is not supposed to be logical, or to follow some physical/chemical laws. It has its own. By trying to explain everything from a logical standpoint, you take "magic" away and replace it with "mundane". The point of the Maker is "faith", which is the opposite of knowledge; "having faith" in something means believing in something that may or may not exist - since you have no way to *know*. Even IRL, we cannot explain everything logically, and we don't even have magic and elves and whatnot. This is a fantasy world, after all. There could always be some room for irrationality and mystery; for things that cannot be explained, because they just... are the way they are.

 

Again, not bashing any theories. Just offering a bit of another perspective. 

[Siha]

Also, though we may not have anything that directly contradicts the time-travel theory, I'm officially tossing the whole thing out of my brain.

I'm late, I know, but: AT LAST! :-)
Time travel is tricky and I have never ever seen the notion sketched out (let alone executed) well in any sci-fi. Doctor Who had a good start, at least creating some coherent rules around it (and I am willing to accept any universe, as long as it have a few consistent rules as a foundation), but even they started to bend those rules until incoherent nonsense started to come out, breaking their own perspectives over and over again. I guess, this is the inevitable fate of any longer running series. (Though nothing was quite as bad as Fringe.)
Anyhow, DA has not yet disclosed many details of their theory and foundation, so they *could* still come up with something that works out. If nothing else works, you can always toss in parallel universes and a bit of magic to make up for logical gaps. Still, nobody has done this in a convincing manner yet and I'd prefer BioWare not to touch it further. I do not think they would do any better on that subject. Why? Because when I remember the events at the conclave I do not wear the mercenary coat I had worn when leaving the breach but whatever armor I have equipped at the moment of walking the Fade. And whoever makes such a stupid mistake seems incapable of any convincing time travel lore.

[_Lucinia]

 

I was thinking, and I know that many will disagree, but... can we really find a logical explanation for everything? I mean, magic is magic. It is not supposed to be logical, or to follow some physical/chemical laws. It has its own. By trying to explain everything from a logical standpoint, you take "magic" away and replace it with "mundane". The point of the Maker is "faith", which is opposite of knowledge; "having faith" in something means believing in something that may or may not exist - since you have no way to *know*. Even IRL, not everything can be explained by logic, and we don't even have magic and elves and whatnot. This is a fantasy world, after all. There could always be some room for irrationality and mystery; for things that cannot be explained, because they just... are the way they are.

 

Again, not bashing any theories. Just offering a bit of another perspective. *hides* 

 

Don't hide!

 

I don't think there's a rational or logical explanation for everything.  It's just a natural thing to try and make sense out of the chaos, even in fictional media like video games.

 

Sometimes it really is just magic, or faith.

 

More perspective is a good thing.

[Siha]

I get a bit verklempt!

You get what?

[_Lucinia]

You get what?

Hahaha, sorry.  Choked up with emotion.