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[madrar]

And my first guess regarding the "mistake" of the Kossith/Qunari was that breeding them with dragon blood would suggest expectations of superior magical abilities, for the same reasons magisters drank the stuff. They are not known for any significant superiority in that area, however?

 

 

I'm not entirely convinced that's true.  There's a fade-shadow factor in there somewhere, but one-on-one, I think a Qunari mage with the same "fade draw" ability as a human or elven mage would utterly crush the other two, which is why they keep them bound so tightly, and require so few in battle.  They pack a serious punch when released- theoretically, from the increased Will in their blood.  

[LliiraAnna]

The admittedly bat**** theory I've been throwing around in my head is IF the world before the Elvenhan empire was ruled by Dragons, whatever Elgar'nan doing allowing the Elves to rise above them and form the Elven pantheon... What if they Elven pantheon was trying to.. turn themselves into dragons? I know. It's crazy. We can pretend I didn't say it. And again, I have no proof and I'm not married to the idea. I just find it interesting that perhaps they DID succeed - and that's how we end up with the Old God dragons. And while they succeeded, the fallout/ consequences were far worse than they had ever imagined.

Again, I don't actually think that thing and it's just been me trying to figure out why the hell they were stuck in Old God dragon bodies to begin with.

I'll admit I'm not entirely convinced about the Elven Gods = Old Gods idea. But even if it's true, would turning, what, 7 elves - even if they were "gods" - into dragons help, if dragons were everywhere? Maybe they were trying to create a race that'll be able to oppose/replace dragons instead? 

 

And no, your theory is not crazy. "Crazy" is when I randomly thought that Corypheus, Architect and Maker sound too much alike and that there gotta be some connection there 

[Patchwork]

I don't think there's a way to carry on the HOF story without making a lot of people unhappy, people still grumble about DA2's ending ruin their headcanon and to carry on is heading into Revan territory so I'd rather they just leave it alone. If curing the Wardens is plot important then pass it on to someone else and mention the HOF's involvement if they're still alive.  

[madrar]

So quite a crap ton of time between the two, yeah? So it's just weird to me that they would be present in an image with the Tevinter magisters who didn't have access to the Eluvians/ literal fast travel. 

 

Exactly why the figures being the Magisters is in doubt.. or really, just directly disprovable.  Contradictory timeline.

[LliiraAnna]

I'd have said that too, but now they're looking for a cure to the Calling. That's been on the edges of the Warden story as a whole for a while now, and I think it's something that Bioware wants to address. So why put a character they never want to bring back at the center of that?

As someone said earlier, it's unlikely they'll succeed. They'll probably just uncover a lead another main character will follow. So they'll go from being a main character to a quest-giver.

[Mims]

 

 

The admittedly bat**** theory I've been throwing around in my head is IF the world before the Elvenhan empire was ruled by Dragons, whatever Elgar'nan doing allowing the Elves to rise above them and form the Elven pantheon... What if they Elven pantheon was trying to.. turn themselves into dragons? I know. It's crazy. We can pretend I didn't say it. And again, I have no proof and I'm not married to the idea. I just find it interesting that perhaps they DID succeed - and that's how we end up with the Old God dragons. And while they succeeded, the fallout/ consequences were far worse than they had ever imagined.

Again, I don't actually think that thing and it's just been me trying to figure out why the hell they were stuck in Old God dragon bodies to begin with.

 

It could also be that the elven pantheon were dragons. At least, anyone from Elgar'nan and Mythal's brood. There's already a fair bit of evidence that there were once super intelligent dragons that ruled Thedas. Presumably they would be able to use magic just like any other creature on Thedas. Humans can turn into crows, bears, ect. It wouldn't be that hard for a dragon to take on mortal form and decide to govern a people. When the bottom falls out on the elven empire, the dragons go off and found Tevinter.

 

Or, it could simply be that the 'forgotten ones' were another group of dragons that had a similar idea. 

 

Another possibility with the qunari being a mistake- perhaps they weren't intended to be slaves. If the magisters engineered qunari, what if they were perhaps trying to create a hybrid between their gods and the people? Perhaps they are failures because their expectations were far greater than just a race of thugs. They wanted something superior to elves. But what they got was mostly human, prone to violence and unpredictable. The best they could be was slaves. And they weren't even able to control them for long at that. 

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[Arlee]

I'd have said that too, but now they're looking for a cure to the Calling. That's been on the edges of the Warden story as a whole for a while now, and I think it's something that Bioware wants to address. So why put a character they never want to bring back at the center of that?

 

I don't really want the HoF to come back, but I won't be surprised if they do.

 

 

 

You need to source the art. If someone has enough time to find it on google in the first place, they have enough time to take the extra step and find out who it belongs to. Many artists have quit doing fanart because people spread and claim their art without credit. Just because you personally do not have a problem with citations does not mean that applies to everyone. I would be extremely put out if someone shared something I made without crediting me.

 

I think they are going that direction, but that would be a bit of a kick in the pants for people who only have HoF who died.

 

About the art thing, I'd say it's always preferable to source it whenever possible. But if some reason you can't find who made it, you should at the very least say you found it on google and couldn't figure out who made it. Odds are someone else will either know who made it or be able to find out who did.

[Janic99]

Well good morning I just lept 8 hours.. it is 8 pm here now LOL WTF I slept the whole day ( I live in Finland ) Great feeling lol.. heh.. I have been sick and not able to sleep so.. yeah..

[Siha]

Tevinter magisters who didn't have access to the Eluvians/ literal fast travel. 

Do we know that for a fact? That they did not have any such means? Maybe not exactly an Eluvian, but something similar.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

Do we know that for a fact? That they did not have any such means? Maybe not exactly an Eluvian, but something similar.

If they had access to the Eluvians, do you really think they wouldn't have used them?

[Mims]

Yeah, that really is the unfortunate thing. Most theories are plausible, since we don't really have a lot of direct evidence. There's evidence that fits a lot of different outcomes and possibilities. 

 

I think it is a safe bet that dragons factor in somehow, given how important dragons seem to be to the universe. 

[HatUmbra]

I think I found an early Solas identity giveaway today. I remade my KE Lavellan and in the beginning when Solas comments on your Dalishness, your middle dialogue option (the "crossed paths" one) gets a response from Solas along the lines of his rejection due to superstition. Now, come on, why would the dalish be superstitious about a city elf? I'm guessing he Dread Wolfed on into a camp and got chaos for his trouble. Not sure what he expected since I am not a lore person.

 

Just today's Solas ponderings.

[Siha]

Awesome! Does he say that about Surana, or just Amell?

I understand the story reason, but it irks me that Cullen mentions his infatuation with the Warden Amell in DA2 but not Surana. (It just felt like yet another way they openly favored human protagonists over elven ones.) I would be really put out if she was left out this game too.

He says this about every mage, elf or human.

I never imported a human origin Warden in DA2, so I never had him mention anything there.

[Siha]

If they had access to the Eluvians, do you really think they wouldn't have used them?

Maybe they did?

[Illyria]

Cassandra just asks if the LI knows and Varric says that 'they do'.  It's mostly Cassandra being friends with Varric.  I couldn't let Alistair die. Not after the ridiculously lovely way he talks about my warden especially when he gets his private letter. I was like 'ooh no. you are not going anywhere.' 

 

If I could yell 'NOPE' and save them both I would.  Like a comic I saw of Hawke saving her siblings and then running into Shepard saving Kaidan and Ashley.

 

(but I let Alistair die because it made for a better story)

[CapricornSun]

 

Thanks for this! Aww, that was kind of cute (and sad in a way). 

 

Awesome! Does he say that about Surana, or just Amell?

I understand the story reason, but it irks me that Cullen mentions his infatuation with the Warden Amell in DA2 but not Surana. (It just felt like yet another way they openly favored human protagonists over elven ones.) I would be really put out if she was left out this game too.

 

Wait, he doesn't mention his infatuation to Surana?   I guess, yeah, it's because of the whole "Amell" thing since Amell is the one related to Hawke but still. (And yes it irks me too that the human protagonists seem to be favored.) 

 

BTW has anyone noticed that all the human PCs in Dragon Age tend to be of noble origin or at least tied to nobility? Cousland, Amell, Hawke (through Leandra), Trevelyan...

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Illyria]

Thanks for this! Aww, that was kind of cute (and sad in a way). 

 

 

Wait, he doesn't mention his infatuation to Surana?   I guess, yeah, it's because of the whole "Amell" thing since Amell is the one related to Hawke but still. (And yes it irks me too that the human protagonists seem to be favored.) 

 

And has anyone noticed that all the human PCs in Dragon Age tend to be of noble origin or at least tied to nobility? Cousland, Amell, Hawke (through Leandra), Trevelyan...

 

He only mentions Amell as he's talking to Hawke about the Amells.  But then, I think my game was bugged because I didn't get the correct codex entry for Cullen that references a mage warden.
 

[Tielis]

Well... I don't see the duplicative thing. I think it could be either Fen'Harel or Ghilal'nain or June missing.

But I want to place Ghilal'nain in there because I think the Qunari or the Kissith were her.. baby, so to speak. Not literally, but her experiment. And the sea creatures in the Par Vollen relief sculptures/ wall paintings feel super Ghilal'nain. 

I find it fascinating that Corypheus called the Qunari a mistake. A mistake is different than an experiment. Experiment says, hey, I want to see what happens when this and this come together. A test of a hypothesis.

A mistake means there was a desired result, a thing they wanted to create, and this was the failure. It was discarded and likely another experiment was done to push for what they DID want. What DID they want? 

 

I think the dragons are vessels for the pantheon, the way that Cory's dragon is his.  The "real" elven gods are locked in the Black City, while parts of their souls are still in the dragons, which are trapped underground.

 

As far as the Qunari being experiments, perhaps the elves were trying to make the dragon-vessels more receptive to elven souls and therefore breeding them with dragons?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Awesome! Does he say that about Surana, or just Amell?

I understand the story reason, but it irks me that Cullen mentions his infatuation with the Warden Amell in DA2 but not Surana. (It just felt like yet another way they openly favored human protagonists over elven ones.) I would be really put out if she was left out this game too.

 

I think in DA:I, he says it for both Amell and Surana.

 

He only mentions Amell in DA2 because Hawke is descended from the Amell family.

 

... SNIFF.

Now I really WILL never be able to romance Cullen. Him and Amell as star crossed lovers is just too strong. 

 

My Amell basically picked on Cullen because she (and I) thought it was hilarious, and then proceeded to feel extremely guilty about that after Broken Circle.  So...yeah.  No star-crossed lovers for them.  She was kind of an irresponsible brat at the beginning of Origins.

[LliiraAnna]

Definitely. I just wish I had more to go off of, but I suppose that's just how they'll keep me coming back. I do wonder then, if perhaps the two members of the pantheon who don't become Old God Dragons (blatantly assuming that's true, totally get if that's not your cup of tea) didn't because they weren't capable of it?

I dunno. The brain fire I had yesterday is gone! Par Vollen's pyramids just don't have enough surrounding lore and codex entries for me to say anything about them or anything related to them with certainty. Like the Profane. I just... I can't even. The Profane only make sense to me if they were feasting on the Forgotten Ones. Which is creepy as ****.

So I went to the DA wiki to read about the Par Vollen pyramids... and apparently, just like with egyptian ones, their locations correspond to a specific constellation. Interesting.

 

Also: "The pyramids and other ruins of Par Vollen's ancient civilization also feature murals of the natives interacting in a subservient manner with horned beings who are not Qunari."

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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