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I got the Fade-Haven scene with Solas wearing his Dalish Keeper Robe. Does this happen often? And I had actually thought these cut scenes were pre-rendered. BioWare never ceases to surprise me.

I believe there are very few pre-rendered cutscenes, and all the pre-rendered cutscenes are ones where you aren't required to pick any dialogue options. You can usually tell which scenes are pre-rendered because there will sometimes be pixelation. One example is the cutscene where the Inquisition is being formally established (right after you talk with Leliana and Cassandra and agree to help). I think the cutscene showing Harding and the other scouts contacting Mother Giselle is another pre-rendered cutscene, but I can't recall for sure.



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Then why is he usually in his home wear outfit? (replayed immediately and saw that again)

If he's in his jammies, it's most likely because he doesn't have any armor equipped. I know by that point a lot of people have decided to take Viv or Dorian along as their mage buddy and have given them the equipment that they previously had on Solas.



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I like this.  My canon Warden is always a female Surana who becomes an Arcane Warrior.  I always put her with Alistair for some reason, but I have no idea why.  I mean, if she was that into ancient elven lore, wouldn't she not go with a human for a boyfriend?  Ah well, I guess I'll put her with Zevran in my next Solasmance worldstate.  Perhaps I see her as so pure of heart that I can't put her with an assassin.  Strange, because I know that deep down Zev is definitely pure of heart.

 

I always figured that the Surana family were city elves who didn't survive, for whatever reason, but I like your Dalish ties better.

 

My Surana was also an Arcane Warrior.  And he was in love with Alistair (which clearly never went anywhere), and part of that was because he was the goody-two shoes type, and Alistair appealed to him a lot.  (He's also a little partial to human men, to tell the truth.)  My Surana gradually gained an interest in his heritage with the elfy stuff, but he never had a big emphasis on his race, aside from being a little insecure about it.  He grew up in the Circle since he was six, so he's more culturally Circle Mage than anything else.  Also Ferelden as all get out.  The whole meeting the Dalish and becoming an Arcane Warrior got him more interested in elven culture.  He isn't aware of having a Dalish father, since he died when he was a baby.  And he doesn't remember much from his early childhood in the Denerim alienage.  Around the time of Awakening, I headcanon'd that he follows his own mishmash faith of both Andrastianism and Creator worship.  Drove Velanna nuts. 

 

Originally, Surana *didn't* get along well with Zevran, there was too much of a values clash there.  But ninjamancing happened, and Surana had some character development in Awakening after which I could see them relating more.  So I decided to let the "they ran off together" that popped up in the Awakening epilogue be a thing.  In retrospect, I honestly think Zevran is a lot better for him than Alistair.  Surana ultimately has a dark streak that might have been too much for Alistair to deal with, but probably just turns on Zevran, pff. 

 

Well, both of my Surana's parents died before he was taken to the Circle, so they kinda didn't survive.  Dalish daddy really hated humans and wanted the alienage elves to rise up.  He...didn't last very long.  City Elf mom died in a random act of violence, and that's also when Surana's magic first manifested (and his psychological issues began).  But I imagine he still has some family out there on both the Dalish and City side.  He just doesn't know them. 

 

I'm so sorry, you got me talking about my Surana.  :blush:


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It seems inconsistent.  He was wearing his default outfit when I did Fade-Haven with Adaar, but the horrible yellow plaid armor in the same scene with Lavellan  :lol:

 

Most of the time I feel bad giving my companions ugly armor, but I figured Solas wouldn't mind, and it had far and away the best stats.  Then the Fade-Haven scene played, and I remember thinking, "You're going to kiss her like that, while wearing THAT?!"

 

Lavellan didn't seem to mind though  :rolleyes:

 

lol Reminds me of when Alistair first asked my Tabris to bed while wearing pieces of four different kinds of armor of all different colors. Individually they all had better AC than his armor set, which he really needed as they were getting their butts handed to them by the apostates in the Denerim warehouse. She ran back to camp to change party members when he sprung his love confession/bed invitation on her.

 

Alistair: I know this isn't the perfect time... but when will it ever be perfect?

Me: For starters, you can wait till you aren't dressed like Joxer the Mighty.

 

 

As for Solas, if he can invite Lavellan to dance at the Winter Palace while wearing that silly hat, I guess kissing her in fugly plaid is fair game. XD


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Just imagine...

 

The Solas/Lavellan reunion.

 

The two walk slowly towards each other, Solas takes Lavellan's hands in his.

 

He leans in for a kiss...

 

And Lavellan whispers those words we want her to say...

 

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I think that Dorian was the first character I've got a max-frienship converstion with. I didn't think much of him before I started playing, but... whoa. He's actually an awesome friend. The way he tells you that he'll always stand by your side is just so d'aww. 

 

As for Vivienne, she hated me. Like, I got her furniture-moving scene as soon as I moved into Skyhold. The way she greeted me everytime I tried to speak to her almost made me allergic to the word "darling". This said, she's a great character, it's just that she and my Lav had cardinally different views on... almost everything. And it became better after I did her personal quest.

 

The only character I wasn't able to befriend was Sera.  <_<


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I've never understood this rationale. Hawke is a human who knows nothing about elven culture, the Dalish, or the Eluvians, while Merrill is someone who painstakingly put the time into studying the lore on the Eluvians and extrapolating information from the shard. Hawke is ignorant about this, while Merrill is informed, but people act like Merrill should simply fall in line to rivalry Hawke.

If anything, TME and Inquisition only proved Merrill right about how beneficial the Eluvians would be for the Elvhen, particularly as it's an asset that Briala used to get her elven network up and running against one of the strongest empires in Thedas. And the Inquisitor has an Eluvian in Skyhold, a gateway to the Crossroads.


To be fair, we NOW know that Merrill wasn't entirely wrong. During DA2, especially with a human Hawke you only had enough information to form an opinion and make a decision. However, her whole involvement with the demon, regardless of her knowledge, was her biggest mistake. Also it didn't help that she got this incredibly painful retcon from Origins. I would've trusted the DA:O Merrill more comfortably that the naive girl we got in DA2. Yes, it didn't help that Hawke was human and couldn't relate to her struggle but the moment people realize she made a deal with a demon, she wasn't taken seriously. I think the most painful thing about her character was her lack of awareness. I guess that was also part of her charm.
 
I still think her meeting Solas might be something worth exploring though. 
 

As much as I liked having Solas as a friend, I really miss having a pro-Dalish character in Inquisition. It felt too biased in favor of the Andrastian mindset in many places (particularly when so many characters speak negatively about the Dalish, while the only person in the inner circle who can speak positively about them is my character), while we get a plethora of positive dialogue from our advisers, companions, and even minor characters about the Chantry or the Andrastian faith. Cassandra even talks with Lavellan about following the Maker, even when he's explicitly stated he follows his own gods, and she says the same to Solas. I don't really understand why it's so one-sided, which made it quite lonely and frustrating as Inquisitor Lavellan.
 
Given all the negativity towards the Dalish and the lack of coverage for the elves (particularly in the Dales, which is supposed to be predominantly elven, and yet focuses on human characters over elven characters), it would be nice if Solas heralded some positive coverage for the elves for a change when he returns. I'm a little tired of the Andrastian human bias thus far.

I agree with you here. I was never a fan of the Chantry and it was twice as painful in Inquisition where they literally call you Andraste's errand boy/girl. It was annoying that no matter what you said, people would ignore you and still call your powers divine (Not only an elven Quizzy suffers from this. I was trying to not play a human Andrastian but it's even worse because they just assume you are, no questions asked). I was never too invested in the Dalish to be fair. I connected a lot more with City Elves back in DA:O, especially in the prologue where it hits you hard how much of a struggle it's for them. I've always wanted to do something for the elves in general, so it's nice we got more lore in this game.

 

The problem comes back then to Solas. My Lavellan is hardcore Dalish so her and Solas were just not getting along at first. He comes right down hostile about the elves in general so without knowing his background it was a struggle to see where he comes from at first.

 

Also maybe it was in the Cullen thread but I read that Cassandra is very dismissive about the whole thing during the Temple of Mythal quest? I've never taken her so I don't know exactly what she says. It seems funny to me that we have to respect her faith and devotion and yet she can't wrap her head around ours.


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Also maybe it was in the Cullen thread but I read that Cassandra is very dismissive about the whole thing during the Temple of Mythal quest? I've never taken her so I don't know exactly what she says. It seems funny to me that we have to respect her faith and devotion and yet she can't wrap her head around ours.

 

Cass descibes the rituals as 'heathen' and asks why we're bothering to do them.



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If he's in his jammies, it's most likely because he doesn't have any armor equipped. I know by that point a lot of people have decided to take Viv or Dorian along as their mage buddy and have given them the equipment that they previously had on Solas.

Well, this was the first time that I ever had him in armor in that scene. He's usually in the home wear and I never have any of the characters without armor. I had the Keeper robe on him at that time. And, especially surprising for me, I immediately reloaded the save from just before the conversation, replayed, and he was in the home wear again in the Fade.



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I love Dorian. Like, a lot. In some ways, I think my Lavellan is almost closer to Dorian than she is with Solas. By the end of the game her clan is gone, and she never had any brothers or sisters. I imagine he's a lot like an older brother to her. She doesn't have any romantic feelings, but had he been interested in her, he probably would have been able to win her over. I hate love triangles though, so I'm really glad that's not going to happen. 

 

Dorian was just a great friend. One of the better friendship paths I've had in a bioware game. I'd like to think they'd continue to be close through the years, even if Dorian eventually goes back to Tevinter. Cassandra too, for that matter. The Inquisition became something of a new clan to her. 

I think BW has done a much better job of cultivating actual friendships.  ME - EDI and Liara were my best pals and I actually cried really really really hard at the good-bye with Liara in ME3(I know it's kind of the same if you romance).  It's so poignant. 

 

In this game - my Lavellan is really pragmatic. She loved learning new things, loved tinkering - she loved coming up with new poisons/bombs. She was a hunter so she was a little wary of magic - she had a healthy respect for it would probably be better.  She also wore her heart on her sleeve and was just really empathetic.  So she was close with Dorian because he opened up to her so much.  He just really wanted to have friends and she adored that he tried so hard - even if he said some stupid things.  She appreciates people working in good faith --- to some degree. She wouldn't force a friendship between Solas and Dorian but she definitely made one nasty comment once after Solas bit back at Dorian for no reason.  He chilled a bit(I geniunely hated that in game, I almost felt it was bit OOC for Solas to be so mean to Dorian).  

 

Cassandra was her girl though.  She drew so much strength from that friendship and admires her for her faith and the fact that Cassandra stood up in front of the entire Andrastian faith and said 'no. we need to change'  and actually did something about it. 


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A part of me wishes that we could find out a little bit about the Surana family (I think they're the only Warden who don't have family member at least mentioned) but I also like being able to make up her history for myself.

 

Yeah, I'm kinda split on it.  In my headcanon there's Clan Surana, and his grandfather is still the Keeper there.  And there's still family in the Denerim alienage, though they wouldn't have the surname in my canon. 

 

My greatest sorrow is that, despite stealing all my mage clothes, Solas does not wear them for his final meeting with Flemeth. I would have paid good money to see Solas dressed up in the crazy pimp outfit for that.

 

Flemeth: ...

Solas: Don't laugh my girlfriend made it for me.

Flemeth: oh that's just precious.

 

Lavellan: *somewhere out there when he isn't wearing it*  Do you have any idea how much that armor cost?  And the dragon we had to fight for that staff?  WHY AREN'T YOU AT LEAST WEARING IT YOU BETTER NOT HAVE THROWN IT AWAY <_<


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Just imagine...

 

The Solas/Lavellan reunion.

 

The two walk slowly towards each other, Solas takes Lavellan's hands in his.

 

He leans in for a kiss...

 

And Lavellan whispers those words we want her to say...

 

Spoiler

Then Dorian comes up and grabs the staff and the clothes and says 'i'll be taking these.  they WERE supposed to be mine'


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Cass descibes the rituals as 'heathen' and asks why we're bothering to do them.

 

"Why are we bothering with this heathen nonsense?"

 

... She asks a Dalish Inquisitor.  <_<


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Then Dorian comes up and grabs the staff and the clothes and says 'i'll be taking these.  they WERE supposed to be mine'

 

Hah.  I was actually going to include the line about how 'they could've been Dorian's.'



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Cass descibes the rituals as 'heathen' and asks why we're bothering to do them.

She would. Imagine we were in some Andrastian Temple and we didn't follow the rules? 


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Maybe he shows up in armor to impress the female lavellans lol :P

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"Why are we bothering with this heathen nonsense?"

 

... She asks a Dalish Inquisitor.  <_<

I love Cassandra too much to be mad.  Also I cannot roleplay as religious. I can roleplay as having respect for other people's beliefs- which I did. I just pretended I said 'don't be rude'.


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As for Solas, if he can invite Lavellan to dance at the Winter Palace while wearing that silly hat, I guess kissing her in fugly plaid is fair game. XD

 

That made me sooooo mad. I'm all like "I have helms turned off for a reason, wth!"

 

Also maybe it was in the Cullen thread but I read that Cassandra is very dismissive about the whole thing during the Temple of Mythal quest? I've never taken her so I don't know exactly what she says. It seems funny to me that we have to respect her faith and devotion and yet she can't wrap her head around ours.

 

Cass descibes the rituals as 'heathen' and asks why we're bothering to do them.

 

I always take Cass to the Temple and I've never heard her say anything like that at all.



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Then Dorian comes up and grabs the staff and the clothes and says 'i'll be taking these.  they WERE supposed to be mine'

 

This is so accurate. I have a strict inheritance system in my game. I get first dibs, Solas gets next, Dorian goes after, and then Vivienne gets what is left. Each item passes down from one mage to another.

 

Solas broke the chain! Dorian and Vivienne will have their revenge! 


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I think I found an early Solas identity giveaway today. I remade my KE Lavellan and in the beginning when Solas comments on your Dalishness, your middle dialogue option (the "crossed paths" one) gets a response from Solas along the lines of his rejection due to superstition. Now, come on, why would the dalish be superstitious about a city elf? I'm guessing he Dread Wolfed on into a camp and got chaos for his trouble. Not sure what he expected since I am not a lore person.

 

Just today's Solas ponderings.

Good catch!
I'm excited to see where his story leads.
I just hope it doesn't involve more heartbreak.

I WONT REJECT YOU, MA VHENAN.


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Cass descibes the rituals as 'heathen' and asks why we're bothering to do them.

 

See, I actually felt bad for Cass at the Temple of Mythal.  I had Solas and Cole with me, so here's my Lavellan nerding out over the Temple, Solas and Morrigan being snippy, Cole being...Cole, and poor Cassandra.

 

I also was willing to cut her some slack since faith is such an important part of her life, and the Temple of Mythal seems to rattle her.  What does it mean for her belief if all this creepy ancient elven stuff works and is real?  It's the same reason why Sera reacts so badly to the Temple, though Cass is tactful enough to keep it to a few lines rather than a full-blown argument.

 

I also just adore Cass.  I pretty much adore everyone (except Blackwall.  Sorry buddy)


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I wrote a thing.

 

It's only a short chapter...

 

I thought maybe whoever is interested in it could read it and let me know if you'd be interested in my continuing. Sort of fluffy, no sex (yet), and is from Solas' POV.

 

I don't have one of those accounts for fanfiction so I'll just post it here under a spoiler.

 

Spoiler

 

Also I wouldn't mind a beta if anyone is interested.


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I always take Cass to the Temple and I've never heard her say anything like that at all.

I'll have to play the quest myself but that's what I read in another thread.



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So I took Sera along for the temple of mythal quest. Garnered a lot of disapproval. She called Abelas "Dusty Butt" and made fun of the ancient elf woman who was guiding us t.t
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Quick question guys, is this skin available as a schematic?  It's called a Magister Staff but that's not how I remember them...

 

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