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Hmmm... I'm starting to get the sneaking suspicion Fen'Harel/Solas might not be a god in the way Mythal, Elgar'nan, Dirthamen and cie are. I have very few clues that tell me this, but there's a few evidence there:

 

- He has a foci. An artefact said to channel the power of a god. Why would a god need a foci to channel his own power? If it was to channel someone else's power though...

- He (as far as we can tell) went into uthenera the way ancient elves would. He was powerful enough not to need substance, but woke up so weak he couldn't use his own foci.

- On the other hand, Mythal even as a wisp is quite powerful. Powerful enough to transform her own human vessel into a dragon at will (no one else, apart from Morrigan if she drinks from th well, can do so).

- We have found temples to other gods across Thedas, and yet apart from that small shrine to Fen'Harel (which doesn't seem that old), there are no hint that Fen'Harel was ever worshipped. On the other hand, we have he wolf statues, the wolf serving as some sort of protector to the elf. That same statue is in the temple of another god, Mythal, which everyone finds strange.

 

Now, I might be tally wrong there, but here's what I think. Solas isn't a god. He never was (although he IS an ancient elvhen, and a quite powerful one at that). One of the themes of DA;I seem to be how history distorts the truth and will make demi-gods of ordinary people. The Herald is the perfect example of that. So, I think he didn't lie. He was born in that small village and spent his youth exploring the fade. Possibly, there he caught the eye of one of the deities (quite possibly Mythal), the same way Gilal'nain is said to have, and brought into the inner circle. I like the idea that he might have become the protector of the pantheon. In short, he wasn't that dissimilar to Abelas. He was given the foci to help him in his task. But at one point, something changed and from protector he became their betrayer. Maybe that was due to Mythal's murder or Andruil's madness or a combination of things. Then he went to sleep. History became blurred in time and he was remembered as a god himself while he never was.

 

Anyway, I might be totally wrong there, but I think it would fit.

 

Regardless of whether or not they are gods, it would seem that from Fen'Harel's viewpoint they are definitely not. It would make sense for an ancient elf to be "disillusioned" (if that's how it went down) or possibly he did/does know some added secrets that we're not cognizant of. I'm thinking along the lines of ME3 (interconnectedness theory brewing here regarding Bioware Stories):

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I'm thinking, what if the gods were simply denizens of the Fade? There is a permanent gateway between the worlds of the Fade, the Void and Thedas, yet the origin of beings predetermines their respective power and how they regard one another. Just as to an ancient human we might be perceived as gods for all our "mystical powers" (I'm thinking Prime Directive violation here.)

I am still reluctant to see any of the elven gods as real gods in the sense of divine beings that created Thedas. Bioware will most likely not give us an answer to that anyway. And I like it when there is evidence for both scenarios, same as with the herald. Was this all really just coincidence? Luck? Who knows...

However, I do like the idea of Solas as a friend of the gods. I do believe that his current body is his original body. He looks strikingly like the sentinels at the temple. So he uses the body of an ancient elf at the very least. So he's like an adopted son of Mythal then, yes. It would be another parallel to Morrigan who's adopted too, right? (I bet there are really weird fanfics about them out there as "sibling" lovers...) Btw, how do gods procreate? I mean, the elven pantheon is like one original family. But what happened after that? Do these gods have children with mortals too? What are they and what special powers (or not) do they have? Is that stated somewhere?

 

And yes, in a way the concept of god is simply a being so much more powerful than us. Not necessarily infallible or even immortal. ANY act of creation could fall under that. Humans rule over animals like gods nowadays. We domesticate them, breed them, keep them as our slaves. Pretty much the same thing really. Any race could be regarded as gods by a more primitive race. And the superior race enjoys that and starts seeing themselves as such. Like the reapers in Mass Effect.

We could be an abandoned science project of a schoolkid from a very advanced alien race for all we know. Like Lisa Simpson who accidentally created life out of a tooth. *g*

Looking at it that way the elven gods can easily be regarded as gods. They do have unmatched powers. However, god in the sense of one mastermind that created the entire galaxy, that spark that created life in the first place, is something different. And I'm curious what Bioware will present as that spark of life. Or maybe they will leave it at the Sun and Earth and not venture further out...

 

 

(So annoying that I have to go to bed when you all come out to theorize. Time zones suck.)


 


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Hmm, I can totally get with the idea that the Forgotten Ones. It makes sense!

So, just out of idle curiosity... (please don't kill me.) I'm just wondering how the "default" became that Lavellan is basically a Daenerys Targeryen lookalike and is usually a mage... it seems the popular choice by a large margin in a lot of fan work I see and character choices...? It just seems so... singular.

*runs away and hides*

 

The female elf character card mostly imo. Mage just fits the earlier plot well.

 

Weirdly it's doesn't seem to be something that's happened with other Inquisitors. 



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Hmm, I can totally get with the idea that the Forgotten Ones. It makes sense!

So, just out of idle curiosity... (please don't kill me.) I'm just wondering how the "default" became that Lavellan is basically a Daenerys Targeryen lookalike and is usually a mage... it seems the popular choice by a large margin in a lot of fan work I see and character choices...? It just seems so... singular.

*runs away and hides*

 

I'm guessing a lot of it is artistically motivated. Fen'harel is a 'dark' god, so blonde/white hair implies purity or redemption. There's also the wolf/halla symbolism. 

 

My girl has red hair, which implies the master race of ginger elves we will one day create. 


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#56129
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<-- this looks nothing like Daenerys Targeryan :D


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#56130
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I assumed the Vallaslin could allow an elven god to bind those elves of the appropriate markings, yes. They are slaves, after all. The revelation that the elves were slaves also adds new meaning to the term "Keeper".


Ooh, that would be an interesting sequel - the elves of Thedas suddenly go haywire, the humans are utterly baffled as friend turns on friend for worshipping the wrong god, and there are whispers circulating that every hardship suffered so far was a mere glimpse of what was to come...

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I don't know how to tumblr but I reblog stuff I like. Mostly Dragon age and Mass Effect so far.



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<- Doesn't look anything like Daenerys either :P

 

I think it's just the halla stuff.


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I'm guessing a lot of it is artistically motivated. Fen'harel is a 'dark' god, so blonde/white hair implies purity or redemption. There's also the wolf/halla symbolism.

My girl has red hair, which implies the master race of ginger elves we will one day create.


That's... well. So I presume a lot of people had the Fen'Harel thing down.

Haha, I'm right there with you with the master race of gingers!
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With all the Warden-talk around.

How well would your Warden and Quizzy get along? (Ignore question if you play self inserts  ;))

And how would your Warden react to Solas or vice versa? (So the post is at least somewhat on topic!)

 

Edit: You can of course also ignore the questions altogether, that works too   :P

AND I hope the use of "vice versa" is correct in the second one ^^

 

Lyall and Terrwyn would get along alright. Both were dragged into their fate to save their own lives, and chained to destiny until the job was done. Terrwyn would question Lyall on her clan, how they were different and such, and Lyall would just kind of look at her like: "what a nerd." Lyall is not exactly hostile to humans, but she doesn't pat them on the back for being nice either...which would get her into trouble, and Terrwyn would have to drag her out of it. 

 

Ever since losing Tamlen, Lyall avoided her people's history and thought regaining it would be trouble; safer to say she doesn't give a **** about it now that her people don't want anything to do with the world they've saved from the Blight. Terrwyn would make a frowny face.

 

Now, how Lyall would react to Solas:

 

Ly: You remind me of Hahren Paivel.

Solas: Who is he?

Ly: My clan's story-teller. Once as punishment he made me recite the Dalish oath one hundred times.

Ly: You just have the same look on your face: "I know everything!"

Solas: You are certainly very blunt, Warden-Commander.

Ly: But you also remind me of Wynne. Gave the best advice you could ever ask for. Terrwyn said you have advised her on many occasions. 

Solas: When it it sought, yes, I give her my input. 

Ly: Well, it's good to have someone to count on in such tough times.

Ly: Advise her often, Solas. If you catch my meaning.

Solas: *clears throat*

Ly: Have any stories about griffons?

Solas: *blinks*

Terrwyn: *shouts over balcony* TELL HER ABOUT THE TIME YOU SAID I SHOULD RIDE ON A GRIFFON!!! 

Ly: HEY SPOILERS!


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Wow. That was an hour of people speaking, hardly saying anything. As if every sentence was just a desperate copy of "Sorry... I really cannot tell you." I so felt their pain.
Anyhow.. I don't know. That break he speaks of... that is a bit like the ME-ending-debate all over again. Tell the fans what they want to hear. Maybe they really intended that from the start but I am not convinced. Maybe because all the other "breaks" in voices (with Cullen or Blackwall, e.g.) are so massive and this one is barely (?) there. Why not make it a bit heavier, let the Inquisitor ask what's wrong and let Solas come up with some vague explanation or simply change the topic to speak of the vallaslin? That's their usual style.


Well, if the writer of the character AND of the scene says that this is what happens, I'm going to believe it. :P It's canon.

And the break is there, not only in his voice. It is very clear if you look at gifs from that moment (at least to me). I am from my phone so I can't link it sadly.
But yes, I think it would have been better to put a pause after his "the truth". It would have been more powerful.
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#56138
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Darel and Nareth would of course get along. That's what cousins do. Expecially the Tabris ones. I have this headcanon Darel is not originally Dalish, but she is city born. Her mother was sister with Adaia, but ended up in the clan Lavellan with her family.(that's why Darel is not so entusiast about going back to the clan one day. She always felt an outsider.)

So, in memory of her uncle, Darel have a preference for daggers, just like Nareth.

Probably my Warden would fill a very motherly/big sister role with Darel, just like she did with Soris and Shianni. And would give her just this advise about Solas:

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Ok we must be spirit cousins or something because my Warden's name is Nadeth. Also that gif.  <3

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I'm guessing a lot of it is artistically motivated. Fen'harel is a 'dark' god, so blonde/white hair implies purity or redemption. There's also the wolf/halla symbolism. 

 

My girl has red hair, which implies the master race of ginger elves we will one day create. 

 

My characters always have cream-blonde hair and silver eyes. Expect my Human mages who almost always have red hair and silver eyes. 

 

Cuz I think It looks beachin

 

why

 

why Is it always top post sigh

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That caption is my life right now. 


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Hmm, I can totally get with the idea that the Forgotten Ones. It makes sense!
So, just out of idle curiosity... (please don't kill me.) I'm just wondering how the "default" became that Lavellan is basically a Daenerys Targeryen lookalike and is usually a mage... it seems the popular choice by a large margin in a lot of fan work I see and character choices...? It just seems so... singular.
*runs away and hides*

The symmetry. hes s Mage. People can easily role play why there would be attraction and a connection between the two. Also elves are stereotypically coded as 'ethereal other' so super white hair which is not typical would fit. That's my take on it. My chick was a brown hair green eyed rogue. I didn't like how the white hair looked in the game and the archer is really fun to play. I already had a human Mage that was with Cullen.
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That caption is my life right now.

I want someone to mod all of solas armor in game into a long pinstripped night shirt and a sleeping cap with fuzzy green slippers.
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I really need to hear more theories on the well of sorrows

 

slow tear like It helps with character development for a dalish trying to learn crap about their people but they can't cause they don't understand spooky voices



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Hmm, I can totally get with the idea that the Forgotten Ones. It makes sense!

So, just out of idle curiosity... (please don't kill me.) I'm just wondering how the "default" became that Lavellan is basically a Daenerys Targeryen lookalike and is usually a mage... it seems the popular choice by a large margin in a lot of fan work I see and character choices...? It just seems so... singular.

*runs away and hides*

 

I guess because Daenerys is a fairly popular character at the moment so people tend to use that look?  It's not something I've seen a lot of when it comes to Solavellan, though.


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Someone mentioned a long time ago in the thread that elves also have slight luminescence to their eyes when viewed in the dark. They glow. Like cats. That would be an interesting sight to see a white/pale haired elf with glowing eyes at night. Add in the fade step and you're golden for ghosting, lol. 


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I really need to hear more theories on the well of sorrows

 

slow tear like It helps with character development for a dalish trying to learn crap about their people but they can't cause they don't understand spooky voices

 

The well was filled with vodka.  The Inquisitor spends the last part of the game drunk.


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Tangentially related:

 

The exact point I realized the conversation was going to go south. Way south. Never to be redeemed.

 

Man trying to chat me up at a party: I like to hunt wolves.

Me: . . . Quoi? What? Really?!  Really.

 

Footnote: I was visiting family out West. We have wolves. And, I guess, people who like to hunt them and think it is a good opening line. No. No, it's really not.


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The well was filled with vodka.  The Inquisitor spends the last part of the game drunk.

 

headcanon accepted


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"in this place my power is greater than yours"

 

-Mythal to Morrigan in the fade.

 

Hmmmmm


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That caption is my life right now. 

I don't understand. If you sleep all day, how will you play another playthrough?