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How do you go about doing it?

mappeli on deviantArt is an excellent artist, and she works rather cheaply... too cheaply. She barely makes any money. But she does great work.

In general, you message the artist first to ask if they're taking commissions, their rates, etc. Then send reference pics of the character from several angles and the details of what you want. They'll usually show you drafts of everything as it goes so you get something you really like.

This is mappeli's latest one. She showed it to me over FB the other night asking for rotunda mural screenies. I just love her style. Everything she does is magnificent. Her, efleck and angua33 are my three favourite artists on da. Unfortunately Angua hasn't done a Solas pic yet. She went for the Blackwall romance.

Anyway, mappeli's pic. http://mappeli.deviantart.com/art/SolasxLavellan-507087636

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When Solas grabs her in that video I just really love that when she is just * small kiss* 

he goes into a raping mode XDDDDDD like 

 

Solas: '' YOU AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE '' 

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So I was thinking about Felassan earlier today, and who may have killed him. This has most likely been covered before, but everything moves quickly here so I may not have seen it. 

 

In the book, his vallaslin is said to curl around his eyes. Elgar'nan, Sylaise, Andruil, and Falon'din all have vallaslin that curl around the eyes. 

 

<snip>

 

But he was murdered in the Fade...right before, I am sure, he was going to say: "She reminds me of Fen'harel." 

 

For what it's worth, I suspect it was Falon'Din.  Not simply because the fade walking is a good fit, but because Dirthamen is the only member of the Pantheon who could have taken the secret of Briala's password directly from Felassan's mind.  His insistence that she not tell him, and his full awareness that doing so would greatly displease his "master", suggests heavily that Falon'Din / Dirthamen was the figure at the end of the book.  

 

Then again, Solas doesn't even blink at Briala during Wicked Hearts, so either he's still on his best behavior, or he managed to get what he was after another way, perhaps severing Felassan's soul from his physical body and using it to interrogate Briala directly.  

 

I'd have killed to be able to ask her if she ever talked to "Felassan" again after he left. 


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No. No. This is not tin foil hatty. You know why? The tomb to the Emerald Knights is where they hid the truth of what caused Red Crossing. An elven-human skirmish. It's clear that both sides are to blame and I don't want to open that hole can of worms into a moral discussion at present (or ever because I see both sides as deeply flawed and refuse to side with either). But those elves within the story itself were deeply paranoid, angry, and seeking to villanize the humans just as much as the humans were them.

If these Emerald Knights were so desperate for revenge against the humans who led them to betray one of their own without realizing it - I can't imagine how they WOULDN'T turn to worship of the Forgotten Ones if that's a thing in lore that some elves do.

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I'm less worried about the fact that various groups of elves were worshiping one of the Forgotten Ones, and more worried that doing so seems to have actually worked, in the case linked in the wiki.  As in, the elves who sacrificed to this particular god actually got power out of the deal.

 

That... really shouldn't happen, given what we think we know about who was sealed away at the time, and who was free to interact with mortals.  It's entirely possible the power was granted by a completely unrelated but opportunistic demon/spirit who got something else out of the deal.  But- and BEWARE this is deep into tin foil hat territory- I'm getting a little worried that Solas may not have direct control over Falon'Din anymore.  

 

It's possible that he's recovered his original body, and the small scar on his forehead is a wound from the first failed rebellion of Arlathan: specifically, where he was "bloodied in his own temple".  A small lyrium brand, part of the usual punishment for treason, if we can draw from the limited evidence of Andruil's ToM mosaic. No doubt this was intended to function much like Chantry Tranquility, severing him from his fade shadow and rendering him a non-threat to the Pantheon.  

 

The interesting part, of course, being that Dirthamen/Falon'Din's fade-side presence (his "self" or Will) had been strengthened to the point where the two halves of his being were able to function independently.  This split hobbled Solas-as-Dirthamen, but would have had little effect on Falon'Din.   Dirthamen thus remained trapped in Dread Wolf form until his restoration as Fen'Harel- but when that occurred, what if this mini-Tranquility was not entirely reversed when he was restored?   What if his current limited powers and general temperament come from an attempted restoration by a Spirit of Wisdom, similar to the Seeker rite but leaving his two sides: his physical self and his soul, as separate entities?   Judging from historical events, the two seem to have been working largely in concert since then... but these words from Mythal in DA2 made me pause.  

 

"Regret is something I know well.  Take care not to cling to it, to hold it so close that it poisons your soul.”

 

This... honestly worries me.  We know our actions and emotions in the real world twist the fade accordingly.  It suggests Solas as a parallel to Dorian Gray: his current serenity and calm a mask for the tremendous damage his pain and regret are having on his soul, Falon'Din.  

 

"There are few regrets sharper than watching fools squander what you sacrificed to achieve."  -Solas

 

This, then, if you want to make a tinfoil hat big enough to use as a tent, could represent the creature we see here.  It may be a representation of Falon'Din as one of the Forgotten Ones, semi-stricken from the Pantheon while Dirthamen was trapped in the Void, giving rise to a cult within Elvhen society during that time who would have only cared that he was a God still able to answer prayer with power, and who persisted in this fashion even after Dirthamen / Falon'Din were restored to the Pantheon as Fen'Harel.

 

It's a tremendously scary thought, and a bizarre kind of madness- to be separate from your own twisted soul.  Still linked, but unable to reconnect directly.  If we're wiling to entertain the basic idea, we must also to be willing to entertain the possibility that Falon'Din's objectives may have diverged significantly from Solas' in the time since the Andrastean rebellion.  He may seek a final end to the Dance.  One that cares little for the cost to the mortal, physical world.  

 

*takes her tinfoil hat off, throws it out the window*

 

BRING ON THE SMUT.


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And here's the thing I ORIGINALLY went out in search for - the dragon-person fresco in the Emerald Graves.

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Hmm.  If this thing had horns, I might be all over this as potential kossith.  Might still be, given what Bull says about the hornless of his people being 'special' and destined for greatness.  Pegging the relative age of all of these is so tough, though... not like Earth, where generally the more primitive you get, the older you can assume the thing is.  Thanks to the ups and downs of Elvhen civilization, something like this could easily be older than the cave-painting-like frescos of blighted elf-slaves under the sun.  

 

gah.  Frustrating.



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<snipped for space but awesome>

 

Ghilan'nain

 

From what I've managed to piece together, "Ghilan" means "path". "Na" is "your" and "in" is "with" or "inside". So a possible translation might be, "The Path within yourself".

 

This is fantastic!  Ghil in particular seems like a really nice fit for her role as the hypothetical creator of OGS "vehicles".  I suspect shuttling the soul through the fade works a lot like the eluvian portal system (redirecting souls to other bodies, like the eluvian directs physical ones to destinations) so the reference to an "inside path" is really suggestive.  @w@   Crazy interesting stuff.

 

My guess on Dirthamen is something more like "knowledge taker", based on his ability to lift secrets, but that's 99% conjecture.  


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mappeli on deviantArt is an excellent artist, and she works rather cheaply... too cheaply. She barely makes any money. But she does great work.

In general, you message the artist first to ask if they're taking commissions, their rates, etc. Then send reference pics of the character from several angles and the details of what you want. They'll usually show you drafts of everything as it goes so you get something you really like.

This is mappeli's latest one. She showed it to me over FB the other night asking for rotunda mural screenies. I just love her style. Everything she does is magnificent. Her, efleck and angua33 are my three favourite artists on da. Unfortunately Angua hasn't done a Solas pic yet. She went for the Blackwall romance.

Anyway, mappeli's pic. http://mappeli.deviantart.com/art/SolasxLavellan-507087636

solasxlavellan_by_mappeli-d8dwnbo.jpg

 

I love mappeli. When I got to know that mappeli is also Finnish as I am I was like: WHAAT :D


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Responding to the talk of Lavellan colorings and animal traits, even though I'm probably 20 pages behind now:

So, What totem animal would Tiger Festival have? Hah.

I don't even know if Tigers exist in Thedas. If they don't that makes her pseudonym all the more ridiculous. Despite the name, however, if she was an animal, she'd be a Ferret. Hands down. She's curious to a fault, playful, and a bit of a packrat when it comes to shiny trinkets and gemstones. She even kinda has a ferret-y face now that I think about it:
 
Hmm. Ferret:
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Tiger Festival:
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Well, maybe.

As for her look, her colorings are self-inserts. I have dark brown hair, pasty skin and green eyes. Whether I do a self palette or not really depends on what's available. If a green hair shade is there, for example, I'll always pick that first. No matter what. It's a weakness.

I understand the allure of the pale everything though. It's nice to look at, but it's the sort of appearance I prefer LIs to have over my own character.
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Spoiler

 

I found my book. And...I'm starting to wonder if you're right. 

 

"I won't take the eluvians from her."

"They're stronger than you think, you know." 

 

And we all know Solas' opinion of the modern elves. The Eluvians would have lead Solas close to or even at the place he had kept those he locked away. Then, that is taken from him, and he has no choice but to turn to his orb, the one he cannot use because he's too weak.

 

Hmmm. I'm bouncing back and forth now. 


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Yeah, Solas knowing too much is one of the reasons I'm having a hard time seeing him come back to Lavellan.  A guy who can probably answer a ton of huge secrets of the Thedasverse just openly telling you all the things?  Feels unlikely, unless he gets some massive selective amnesia.



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So going off of the Murals discussed earlier.

Seven Magisters.

Two scratched out.

I just started a new Origins playthrough to go through the Dalish Origin again.

The opening to Origins depicts five Magisters being twisted by the Blight, five glowing eyes on a plant to represent them right after.

But the Claw of Dumat mentions high priests of all seven Old Gods meeting to break into the Golden City, doesn't it?

EDIT: Yeah, Solas's knowledge of Mhris is a red flag. Killing Felassan doesn't seem his style, though.

And tigers do exist in Thedas, Kitn. :) Fenris mentions one in a proverb. Presumably they've got them up in Seheron, Par Vollen, and Tevinter. Maybe even Arlathan Forest?



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Yes I do feel the need to shoe-horn Romans everywhere I can.  :ph34r:

 

I run (or ran since I've been busy for a while) a Cthulhu Invictus campaign: Call of Cthulhu in all its eldritch glory in the time of the Roman Empire.  Specifically the early reign of Tiberius.  And when I went to Europe and visited Rome, I basically split off from my family and wandered random back streets looking at all the archaeological sites in between people's houses and coffee shops.

 

Where is my Tevinter game, BioWare?!


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Hmm.  If this thing had horns, I might be all over this as potential kossith.  Might still be, given what Bull says about the hornless of his people being 'special' and destined for greatness.  Pegging the relative age of all of these is so tough, though... not like Earth, where generally the more primitive you get, the older you can assume the thing is.  Thanks to the ups and downs of Elvhen civilization, something like this could easily be older than the cave-painting-like frescos of blighted elf-slaves under the sun.  

 

gah.  Frustrating.

 

The white curved lines coming from its head may mean horns... probably if they had made them into real horns it would be too obvious.



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Well.. how many Elven Pantheon Gods do we KNOW fall to the blight/ red lyrium taint? We know Andruil does. We know Falon'Din does. We know Mythal does (post-wounds from Andruil battle, but we have no record of her losing her mind - she might have chosen death before madness/ taint corruption). Possibly Ghilal'nain.

I don't know if ANY of this is true - just throwing it out there for other people to have a crack at it.

 

Wait, what?  Where do we get Falon'Din = blight?   Did I miss something?



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I love his character. It is unfortunate we won't get to see him in game. [Barring some sort of revelation.] 

Yes he is awesome

 

I found my book. And...I'm starting to wonder if you're right. 

 

"I won't take the eluvians from her."

"They're stronger than you think, you know." 

 

And we all know Solas' opinion of the modern elves. The Eluvians would have lead Solas close to or even at the place he had kept those he locked away. Then, that is taken from him, and he has no choice but to turn to his orb, the one he cannot use because he's too weak.

 

Hmmm. I'm bouncing back and forth now. 

I'm starting to form weird theory.

That it's not only the other gods that are sealed, but a huge chunk of their followers.

My crack theory is that Solas/Fen(harel made a pact with Mythal to punish those he view as oppresors. The sealing part is actually a prison sentence who needs to end the moment Solas awakens.


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Yes he is awesome

 

I'm starting to form weird theory.

That it's not only the other gods that are sealed, but a huge chunk of their followers.

My crack theory is that Solas/Fen(harel made a pact with Mythal to punish those he view as oppresors. The sealing part is actually a

But what if Solas wanted to punish those he deemed has oppresors

 

I wouldn't be surprised. The elven "gods" and their crowd of supporters locked away...and their slaves are left behind to fend for themselves?

 

...Oh god.


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I found my book. And...I'm starting to wonder if you're right. 

 

"I won't take the eluvians from her."

"They're stronger than you think, you know." 

 

And we all know Solas' opinion of the modern elves. The Eluvians would have lead Solas close to or even at the place he had kept those he locked away. Then, that is taken from him, and he has no choice but to turn to his orb, the one he cannot use because he's too weak.

 

Hmmm. I'm bouncing back and forth now. 

 

Yeah, maybe giving his orb to an evil magister wasn't his first choice.  I think after the eluvian passcode thing fell through, he was in a really bad place, because he knew things would have to become more complicated.



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It is so hard to be mad at Solas when I have screenshots of him like this:

 

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But then I remember he did this:

 

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And then he did this:

 

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And then he left!

 

So yes, I am mad at Solas despite adorable goofy smiling photos!


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To be fair- we know from Abelas that the majority of ancient elves seem to have extremely low opinions of the modern elves. So I don't know if that in itself is convincing.

 

I'm kind of torn in two directions. On one hand, the easiest answer is usually the correct one. And the easiest answer is Solas. But, there's also a lot of things that don't quite seem to fit with his character either. I wish Solas would have had more of a reaction to Briala, or even a vague interest in the eluvians. It seems strange we can assign him to research the eluvians, but he never actually mentions them in game.

 

Essentially, its really hard to tell if the writers are attempting to mislead us and Solas is a red herring, or its being played straight, and just somewhat oddly implemented. 

 

Hopefully, a DLC of some sort about the eluvian plotline will clear a lot of the questions up. It does seem like such a major thing to have been relegated to only a mention or two in quest text. 


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I wouldn't be surprised. The elven "gods" and their crowd of supporters locked away...and their slaves are left behind to fend for themselves?

 

...Oh god.

 

Yep, that's what I've been thinking as well.  Also... their armies locked away with them.  Bad, bad news if they get loose.

 

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Agreed. :)

As for wolves in European folklore, yeah, they're basically seen as vicious, cunning killers.

The only 'mainstream' European groups that compared themselves I can think of off the top of my head are the Romans. (I know I'm missing a few.) The Romans took the few that, "Yeah, they're dangerous, they fight dirty, and they're awesome. We don't like them, but we bet you're a lot more afraid of them than we are. Romans 536 A.U.C! *waves aquilifer*:

However, head to the east, and the Turks and the Mongols have myths about how they're descended from wolves, and wolves are portrayed more positively as being cunning and cool rather than evil. My personal theory is that that's because the Romans and the others in the southern band of Eurasia, the 'civilized' agricultural areas saw wolves as a large danger to their livelihood. Wolves are sneaky when it comes to eating your livestock. But the Turks and Mongols were more nomadic, and saw the wolves as the ultimate hunters. They respected that.

Yes I do feel the need to shoe-horn Romans everywhere I can.  :ph34r:

 

Shoe-horn away!  Personally, the wolf-dog imagery of Ferelden, Fen'Harel, specific werewolf history, and "barbarian" government working its way toward democracy is all kind of swirling around in my head as a Solas thing.  Tevinter may be the obvious mirror to Imperial Rome in game, but I would swear there's something to the wolf imagery and nascent-Republic idea.  I just need to bake it out a bit.  



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I definitely think it is more than just the ancient gods sealed away. It would be kind of hard to tell all the gods, "Hey, come meet in this place. But totally, totally don't bring anyone else, right?" and not have it sound suspicious. 

 

Even more so if part of Arlathan is a trap. You can't really evacuate if you're trying to catch extremely powerful beings off guard. Which might be part of the reason why Solas is so guilt ridden. 


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Ferelden seems to me kind of like a cross between Viking and Celtic cultures, just going by their art and sculpture.